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Tuesday, October 29, 2019

Biden is just the latest pro-choice Catholic pol to be singled out for negative attention by a bishop or priest.

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Whenever two or more of you gather together in My name, there too shall I be"

Don't worry about it, Joe. A church is just a building.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-29 12:30 PM | Reply

Which gets to something true about the abortion question: When Trump said he wanted women punished for having an abortion, that won some Trumpite hearts and minds.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-29 12:31 PM | Reply

This happened to Kerry, IIRC.

#3 | Posted by eberly at 2019-10-29 12:35 PM | Reply

"This happened to Kerry, IIRC."

It did, and it was wrong on both occasions.

It's not up to the priest to make that decision. In addition to putting himself in God's place, the priest cannot know in any way if the person's heart and mind has changed, and must assume it may have changed on the walk up the aisle. Judgement is God's, not this local priest. As a former Catholic, I'd consider this blasphemy.

#4 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-10-29 12:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The power of Christ compels you!

#5 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-10-29 01:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

This is incredibly petty. I was raised Catholic and one of the biggest takeaways from what I was taught was forgiveness. This priest should brush up on that in the Bible.

#6 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-29 01:14 PM | Reply

Leave it to Zed to bring Trump into a thread that has nothing to do with Trump.

#7 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-29 01:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's not up to the priest to make that decision.

#4 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2019-10-29 12:46 PM | FLAG:

It is. Welcome to Catholicism.

#8 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-10-29 01:30 PM | Reply

"It is. Welcome to Catholicism."

It really is. If you keep your un-catholic views a secret and a priest just suspects you of having them that would be one thing. But when you get on a national stage and demonstrate support for ideas that run contrary to the catechism that's another. At that point you have to demonstrate remorse and repentance for having had them or a priest would be completely within his rights to use his discretion and refuse you the sacraments. It's part of why I left the church (a small part), and there was a time when I loved being Catholic.

#9 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-10-29 01:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It is within the power of the priest to withhold communion if they know someone is not in a state of Grace.

but it's selectively enforced which is my issue with it.

There are lots of reasons why someone shouldn't take communion and most have zero to do with politics or abortion.

For example....at Christmas or Easter, priests routinely see folks taking communion that only attend church then. Never any other time.

That is another common disqualifier for communion...but priests, while knowing this, don't refuse communion.

So, my position is that you either start scrutinizing everyone or let Biden take communion and let Biden decide if he is in the wrong.

#10 | Posted by eberly at 2019-10-29 01:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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Leave it to Zed to bring Trump into a thread that has nothing to do with Trump.

#7 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-29 01:14

Abortion has nothing to do with Trump?

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2019-10-29 02:02 PM | Reply

That's funny.

The guy wearing the uniform of the largest organization of pedophiles in the world denying somebody communion because they're not "one with God".

#12 | Posted by jpw at 2019-10-29 02:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump is the new face of Christianity.

Congratulations conservatives.

You built that.

#13 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-10-29 02:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#12 Go easy on the pedo priests.
They spent their lives convincing people to drink wine and put male flesh in their mouths.

It is conditioning. They are the victims...

#14 | Posted by bored at 2019-10-29 03:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I don't look for salvation granted by other humans... so please keep your crackers... my soul will be fine without your judgements.

#15 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2019-10-29 03:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Catholics and most Protestants have the wrong understanding of communion in general.

When Paul talked about taking communion "unworthily", he meant, as is obvious in both the original common Greek and the context of his letter, the manner of partaking should be worthy, not the person partaking.

He was responding to communions in some early churches that had become drunken, glutinous feasts that did not memorialize the work of Christ.... not to mention that no one is ever themselves "worthy" of partaking in the communion; is an act of grace to be allowed by God to do so.

"All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" ( where "sin" is having missed the mark of perfection, the GR word being a military term for an archer aiming at a target, buy missing it) and where "have", in this instance in GR grammar is past, present, and future tense. All have, are, and will sin; one cannot be perfect in God's eyes while in physical form.

It is one of the most common "sins" in all of Christianity to think that it is one's behavior that matters most; people spend their time and effort "acting like a Christian", whatever that means to them, rather than spending their time having faith in the teachings of the Christ and of Paul, who said that love and faith is the Christian's responsibility, and that behavioral changes may well come as a result, but they are God's work, not ours.

#16 | Posted by Corky at 2019-10-29 03:04 PM | Reply

but missing it

#17 | Posted by Corky at 2019-10-29 03:07 PM | Reply

"But when you get on a national stage and demonstrate support for ideas that run contrary to the catechism that's another."

Again, I disagree. Part of Catholicism teaches you can convert on your deathbed, and be welcomed into heaven; look no further than the two crucified alongside Jesus.

The priest is assuming something only God can know for certain.

#18 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-10-29 03:15 PM | Reply

Gluttony is a mortal sin. In most cases, the evidence of guilt is obvious to the naked eye.

How many fat people are refused communion on Sundays in the United States?

#19 | Posted by anton at 2019-10-29 03:18 PM | Reply

-How many fat people are refused communion on Sundays in the United States?

none. How many fat people distribute communion on Sundays?

#20 | Posted by eberly at 2019-10-29 03:23 PM | Reply

South Carolina Priest Denies Biden Communion Over Pro-Choice Views

as it should be

"It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."

"Any country that accepts abortion, is not teaching its people to love, but to use any
violence to get what it wants."

Mother Teresa

#21 | Posted by Maverick at 2019-10-29 03:45 PM | Reply

Mother Teresa was a horrible human being. She was no saint.

#22 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-10-29 03:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

What did Mother Theresa do that made her a horrible human being?

#23 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-29 03:57 PM | Reply

-She was no saint.

www.cnn.com

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2019-10-29 03:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Saint" is another word that has been horribly distorted by time and tradition, particularly among Catholics.

They have to be dead, certified "miracle" performers these days. In Paul's day, they were just Christians; note his letters addressed to, "the saints" in various churches.

The GR word is from the word group that includes holy and sanctify... neither of which mean what most people think they mean (see: the Princess Bride, lol).

The word for holy, said in English as "hagios", means "set apart", usually by God. It was long ago confused with a word that we would pronounce "hagnios", which had moral implications in ritual cult practices such as purity washing... where "hagios" has little to no moral implications at all.... it just means set apart by God (not by men or by one's self), and it's antonyms are words meaning, "profane".

English, like ancient Hebrew, is a fairly generalized language where words can mean a lot of different things; post a letter, post on a blog, a fence post, posthaste... where the ancient common GR of the bible, which conveniently died not comparatively long after it's use in the NT, is just the opposite; it is extremely precise and detailed, with word meanings explained by all the dots and marks accompanying the letters giving the exact meaning, tense, purpose, and usage.


#25 | Posted by Corky at 2019-10-29 04:17 PM | Reply

died out

#26 | Posted by Corky at 2019-10-29 04:19 PM | Reply

"What did Mother Theresa do that made her a horrible human being?"

You ask this question every time it comes up, JeffJ.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-10-29 05:00 PM | Reply

Snoofy

My only recollection of her coming up was Buffalo Bob saying she was selfish. I don't remember anyone accusing her of being a horrible person.

Responding from my phone. I accidentally gave you an abusive flag. Sorry about that.

#28 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-29 05:12 PM | Reply

Mother Theresa was horrible? How?

#29 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-10-29 05:26 PM | Reply

Punishing Biden for his political views seems like a clear violation of Church and State separation. The Priest is making a political statement by denying Biden the Holy Eucharist.

#30 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-10-29 05:31 PM | Reply

Priests are allowed to make political statements, Laura.

#31 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-29 05:33 PM | Reply

Mother Theresa was horrible? How?

#29 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

Good question.

#32 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-29 05:33 PM | Reply

This is probably what Laura is whining about....

en.m.wikipedia.org

"One of Teresa's most outspoken critics was English journalist, literary critic and antitheist Christopher Hitchens, host of the documentary Hell's Angel (1994) and author of the essay The Missionary Position: Mother Teresa in Theory and Practice (1995) who wrote in a 2003 article: "This returns us to the medieval corruption of the church, which sold indulgences to the rich while preaching hellfire and continence to the poor. [Mother Teresa] was not a friend of the poor. She was a friend of poverty. She said that suffering was a gift from God. She spent her life opposing the only known cure for poverty, which is the empowerment of women and the emancipation of them from a livestock version of compulsory reproduction."[119]"

#33 | Posted by eberly at 2019-10-29 05:45 PM | Reply

They're going to say that it was really Bernie who was in the slums of India and Mother Teresa took credit for his work. Bernie should be the saint.

#34 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-10-29 05:51 PM | Reply

Thanks, Ebs.

#35 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-29 05:53 PM | Reply

"Priests are allowed to make political statements, Laura."

Only if he's consistent.

If he refuses Biden, but serves adulterers (like Donald Trump), thieves (like Donald Trump), and liars (like Donald Trump), then he's not being a priest, he's being a partisan hypocrite.

#36 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-10-29 05:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

www.irs.gov

The ban on political campaign activity by charities and churches was created by Congress more than a half century ago. The Internal Revenue Service administers the tax laws written by Congress and has enforcement authority over tax-exempt organizations. Here is some background information on the political campaign activity ban and the latest IRS enforcement statistics regarding its administration of this congressional ban.

In 1954, Congress approved an amendment by Sen. Lyndon Johnson to prohibit 501(c)(3) organizations, which includes charities and churches, from engaging in any political campaign activity. To the extent Congress has revisited the ban over the years, it has in fact strengthened the ban. The most recent change came in 1987 when Congress amended the language to clarify that the prohibition also applies to statements opposing candidates.

Currently, the law prohibits political campaign activity by charities and churches by defining a 501(c)(3) organization as one "which does not participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office."

The IRS has published Revenue Ruling 2007-41 (PDF), which outlines how churches, and all 501(c)(3) organizations, can stay within the law regarding the ban on political activity. Also, the ban by Congress is on political campaign activity regarding a candidate; churches and other 501(c)(3) organizations can engage in a limited amount of lobbying (including ballot measures) and advocate for or against issues that are in the political arena. The IRS also has provided guidance regarding the difference between advocating for a candidate and advocating for legislation. See political and lobbying activities.

#37 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-10-29 06:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#37

Wow!

Citing a primary source to make a point.

Nice work, Laura.

Here is the problem with what you've cited as it pertains to the point you are trying to make:

In 1954, Congress approved an amendment by Sen. Lyndon Johnson to prohibit 501(c)(3) organizations, which includes charities and churches, from engaging in any political campaign activity.

To try and define this priest's action (which I disagree with, BTW) as "political campaign activity" is a huge stretch.

The ironic thing is churches, particularly in inner-city Democrat strongholds, frequently host Dem pols to actively campaign in their pulpits and are never questioned about it.

#38 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-10-29 07:01 PM | Reply

Biden, in view of the RC Church stance on abortion, might want to shop around for another church franchise at which he may worship his personal version ofthe Sky Fairy.

#39 | Posted by john47 at 2019-10-30 08:47 AM | Reply

What happened to Biden would never happen to me. I left that hateful church decades ago over other issues. Once I completely left is was so liberating that I knew I could never return.

#40 | Posted by danni at 2019-10-30 12:31 PM | Reply

Reeks of a priest letting his political views the best of him.
I wonder how many young boys this priest has raped?

#41 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-10-30 04:04 PM | Reply

Well if he didn't get a choir of nuns to chant "lock him up" I am not gonna worry about it. It's just a priest being God's very own representative here on earth. I bet that priest took the envelope Biden left on the collection plate and handed it right back to him too. Eye roll.

I agree with you Danni. One day I realized that for me... being Catholic was akin to being a member of a club I don't remember joining... following rules I could not abide by. What a relief to walk away from that particular form of institutionalized sausage fest of stupid.

#42 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-10-30 04:10 PM | Reply

Im guessing that despite denying communion over one opaque verse about homosexuality he probably seves up communion to the bankers who charge interest on loans despite multiple verses clearly stating that is wrong. Im sure over half of the people he did give communion were wearing mixed fabrics too.

Cafeteria christians

#43 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-10-30 08:50 PM | Reply

But all the repubs who cut healthcare for the poor to give tax cuts to the rich get a cracker right? Abortion is the only thing jesus really cared about, even though he never mentioned it.

Revoke this cult's tax exempt status.

#44 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-10-31 11:37 AM | Reply

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