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Growing budget deficits have added to the nation's debt at a speedy rate since President Trump took office. The debt has grown some 16 percent since Trump's inauguration, when it stood at $19.9 trillion. It passed $22 trillion for the first time just 10 months ago.

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That is what I have been saying since Bush, it doesn't matter .....

I used to care, but there is nothing you can do. You can't tax our way out of this, and when a slowing the growth rate is stated as cuts ... you can't stop spending ...

Buckle up ... snowflakes..

#1 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-02 10:56 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

Hardly worth talking about. Nothing will be done. The political class isn't interested.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-02 11:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I used to care"

Then your opinion used to matter.

"Hardly worth talking about. Nothing will be done."

Nonsense. These folks promised to cut taxes during times of record deficits...and then you voted for them.

May you both enjoy a very large glass of GFY. If you're looking for the root of the problem, check your mirror.

#3 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-02 11:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Few do care anymore as evidenced by few posts here. Possibly it is because most realize we can/will never pay if off now so as Alfred E. Neuman says: "What, Me Worry?"

#4 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-11-02 01:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

These folks promised to cut taxes during times of record deficits.

Would the cuts have paid for the "record deficits"?

NO

This is where the words you write are lies, you implication grossly misstates reality. Implying that if we only were taxed a little more every thing would be right as rain.

LIAR ...

as I stated and you conveniently avoided, no matter what you taxed us, or just flat out confiscated today the government couldn't pay down the deficit/debt.

If you're looking for the root of the problem, check your mirror.

Yeah taxpayers are the problem ... LOL

#5 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-02 02:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Funny how all the (R)tards in this thread now saying the debts and deficits don't matter, when they couldn't shut up about it when Obama was in office.

Where did the Tea Party go? We need them out in force in record numbers and they are nowhere to be found.

Oh Tea Party, where art thou?

#6 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-11-02 08:27 PM | Reply

The tax cuts allow corporations to expand and hire more people resulting in more payroll taxes which pay for the original cuts.

I'm sure I read that somewhere.

#7 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-11-02 08:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

Oh Tea Party, where art thou?

The Kenyan was defeated by term limits.

#8 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-11-02 08:28 PM | Reply

".... Trump pledged to eliminate the Debt within 8 yrs."

He meant his debt, not the country's debt.

He gave away the store to Mattress et al, and, of course, Dullsvile says that's not worth discussing.

Mattress pays him in loofahs.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-02 08:34 PM | Reply

sorry, should be, "used loofahs".

#10 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-02 08:35 PM | Reply

Where's your plan, or any of the Democrat candidates' plan, to balance the budget?

#11 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-02 08:41 PM | Reply

A trillion here. A trillion there.
Pretty soon you are talking real money.

#12 | Posted by bored at 2019-11-02 08:44 PM | Reply

You can't tax our way out of this,

#1 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Nonsense! We've taxed our debt down several times.

National debt Chart.

#13 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2019-11-02 08:58 PM | Reply

#11

lmao.... Dullsvile missed Dem policy's surplus in the nineties and Obama paying for GW's drunken war and tax cut at the same time spending spree.

Rather he intentionally missed all that now that he's a Trumper Forever.

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-02 11:09 PM | Reply

Still waiting to hear C'rky's plan to balance the budget.

#15 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-02 11:18 PM | Reply

23T debt during Trump, and it's all Nothing You Can Do.
Warren so much as opens her mouth about Healthcare for all, and it's all It'll Ruin The Economy.

#16 | Posted by LesWit at 2019-11-02 11:20 PM | Reply

"Would the cuts have paid for the "record deficits"? NO"

You're either a bald-faced liar, or a brazen idiot. Do you even know the history or the equation you're talking about? The answer to your question was a resounding YES. Clinton left true surplus budgets and a path to pay off the debt. Republicans reset America's fiscal sights towards record debts, before handing over a melting down economy and the largest dollar deficits since the dawn of time.

And you voted for them all the way. Tax cuts over America!

#17 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-02 11:23 PM | Reply

--23T debt during Trump, and it's all Nothing You Can Do.

What do you suggest to balance the budget and start reducing the debt?

#18 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-02 11:28 PM | Reply

"You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan"

#19 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-02 11:51 PM | Reply

Clinton left true surplus budgets

BS he took from SS which he legally had to do .. I have outlined the Budget from Clinton stating specifically they would need to pay it back..

Again you lie lie lie ... its really all you have.

#20 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-03 12:12 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

We've taxed our debt down several times.

LOL ... Not with spending like are now .... not with non-discretionary entitlements that we have today.

Its growing everything is growing not at a linear rate, but nearly exponentially.... you live in the wrong world.

#21 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-03 12:15 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Trump: 'I'm the king of debt'

Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee for president and self-described "king of debt," offered a glimpse into his deal-making playbook Wednesday morning as he defended himself from Hillary Clinton's attacks.

"I'm the king of debt. I'm great with debt. Nobody knows debt better than me," Trump told Norah O'Donnell in an interview that aired on "CBS This Morning." "I've made a fortune by using debt, and if things don't work out I renegotiate the debt. I mean, that's a smart thing, not a stupid thing."

"How do you renegotiate the debt?" O'Donnell followed up.

"You go back and you say, hey guess what, the economy crashed," Trump replied. "I'm going to give you back half."


www.politico.com

#22 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-11-03 12:18 AM | Reply

US Treasury ...

Fiscal
Year Year
Ending National Debt Deficit
FY1993 09/30/1993 $4.411488 trillion
FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692749 trillion $281.26 billion
FY1995 09/29/1995 $4.973982 trillion $281.23 billion
FY1996 09/30/1996 $5.224810 trillion $250.83 billion
FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413146 trillion $188.34 billion
FY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526193 trillion $113.05 billion
FY1999 09/30/1999 $5.656270 trillion $130.08 billion
FY2000 09/29/2000 $5.674178 trillion $17.91 billion
FY2001 09/28/2001 $5.807463 trillion $133.29 billion

NEVER DID CLINTON HAVE THE DEBT DROP .....

#23 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-03 12:18 AM | Reply

Donald Trump Is Really, Really Proud To Be The King Of Debt'

He explained how to use debt to make a profit when the economy sours.

On Wednesday, Trump backed away from his plan to renegotiate the federal debt, saying there was a difference between what he would do in business and what he would do as president.

"I like debt. For me. I don't like debt for the country. I like debt for my company," Trump said.
"I wouldn't renegotiate the debt. If I do a deal in a corporation, as an example, and if the economy goes bad, I'll oftentimes renegotiate that debt, but that's a different thing, that's just a corporate thing," he said. "And other people like me, very big people in the world of business, they do that."


www.huffpost.com

#24 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-11-03 12:33 AM | Reply

--24 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

Where's your plan to balance the budget?

#25 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-03 12:37 AM | Reply

"Where's your plan to balance the budget?"

Bwahaha!

Nulli votes for the folks promising to bust the budget, and now demands Democrats balance the budget!

Cognitive dissonance knows no bounds.

#26 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-03 12:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

#15

Null Set still trolling with the stupid question that was answered above; Dem policies are as good at balancing the Budget as GOP policies are at busting it... as history shows us.

Which is the answer he ignores, because, well, he's an irretrievable troll uninterested in history or facts, only interested in trolling the progressives who have rejected his self-appointed importance... which he confuses for his near total inconsequentiality, which is completely self-inflicted.

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-03 12:51 AM | Reply

Where is DncForth's plan to balance the budget? Has anyone seen it?

#28 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-03 12:53 AM | Reply

With Matress, it's hard to tell where the lying stops, if it ever does, and where the stupid starts.

"Q: During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?

A: Yes to both questions, whether you count Social Security or not.

FULL ANSWER:"

www.factcheck.org

#29 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-03 12:54 AM | Reply

"BS he took from SS which he legally had to do"

Not the budgets he left behind that Dubya ignored. TRUE surplus budgets, meaning without counting the over-collections from payroll taxes.

"Again you lie lie lie ... its really all you have."

My irony meter just exploded.

The only time you ever tell the truth is when you admit you're willing to destroy America for more tax cuts.

#30 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-03 12:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--#27 | Posted by Corky

Still'can't answer the question. What's C'rky's plan to balance the budget?

#31 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-03 12:55 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Where is DncForth's plan to balance the budget?"

More laugh riot from Nulli: Dead silent on a $2.3 Trillion (R) giveaway, but a screaming Mimi if there's a (D) after the spending.

#32 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-03 12:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Well, we know Nulli's plan to balance the budget is to VOTE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO PROMISED TO MAKE THE DEFICIT WORSE.

It's a lot like the way he decries the Unions for the percentage they give the artists...while ripping off the artists and giving them zero.

#33 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-03 12:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#31

We could give a nickle for every trolling post you inflict on this blog and the deficit would be paid off in no time.

I mean, since you are too ignorant to learn from history that Clinton and Obama both, using Dem policies, which is the answer to your stupid self-serving question, were much better for the Budget than the rwing policies you mouth these days.

#34 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-03 12:59 AM | Reply

"C;ou say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan"

Still waiting to see the Dem plans from the usual suspects.

#35 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-03 01:02 AM | Reply

Trump said he wouldn't cut Medicaid, Social Security, and Medicare. His 2020 budget cuts all 3.

Trump said he wouldn't be like "every other Republican." He is.

www.vox.com

#36 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-11-03 01:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- Still waiting to see the Dem plans

They are the same as the Dem plans used the last two times the GOP ran up the deficit the way your hero Trump just did again.

That you can't grok that is.... well, surprising to literally no one.

#37 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-03 01:04 AM | Reply

C'rky and HR Blockhead still don't have any plans.

#38 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-03 01:07 AM | Reply

When are we going to hear the balanced budget plans from the Democrat candidates? This year? Next year? Ever?

#39 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-03 01:09 AM | Reply

Ohhhhh, ----. Time just changed, and posts are going to jump out of order.

Sleep well, all.

#40 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-03 01:11 AM | Reply

#38

Sad. The poor Trumper has devolved into Sniperpaw.

Climate change denial, brown kids in cages, now preferring GOP economics that have done nothing but bust the Budget for decades to Dem policies that have balanced it.

Now he's left with lying about other posters as if they haven't already pointed to standard, tried and true Budget balancing Dem economic policies as the answer to his stupid question.

Maybe is was all those showers with Mattress that did it.

#41 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-03 01:13 AM | Reply

Regarding the time shift jumps:

For example, #40 was not originally me. And while I certainly may be "a waste of space", Corky wasn't referring to me when he posted @ #40.

#42 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-03 01:14 AM | Reply

Can anyone can provide a link to any of the Dem candidates' balanced budget plans?

#43 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-03 01:16 AM | Reply

#39 | Posted by C'rky

Still no Democrat balanced budget plan. Throw in a bunch of unrelated issues to deflect. Typical.

#44 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-03 01:17 AM | Reply

Where is DncForth's plan to balance the budget? Has anyone seen it?

#28 | Posted by nullifidian

It's where you put your morals, value and character.

Should be easy to find, no? You were, after all, the one who set them aside.

#45 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-03 01:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--Because you haven't looked, dumb*ss.

So you should easily be able to link to the Democrats' balanced budget plans.

#46 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-03 01:21 AM | Reply

#40

What a waste of space you have become.... past Dem budget balancing policies that are similar to all the major Dem candidate's current economic policies are, "unrelated"?

You make Fishpaw look like a genius these days. You carry more of Trump's golden water than any other rwinger here.

#47 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-03 01:28 AM | Reply

"C'rky and HR Blockhead still don't have any plans."

Fat talk from the guy who's "plans" are to make the problem worse.

Here's a hint: ANY plan that isn't yours, is better than yours.

#48 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-03 01:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-- past Dem budget balancing policies

Who cares? What's their current budget balancing plans? Haven't seen them.

#49 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-03 01:31 AM | Reply

"Where is DncForth's plan to balance the budget?"

Repeal the Trump tax giveaway, return to Clinton's tax code, increase the progressive tax rates, add a small per transaction tax on Wall Street, and slash the military budget.

Your turn.

Oh wait...you already voted on your plan. Literally.

#50 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-03 01:35 AM | Reply

- Haven't seen them

Because you haven't looked, dumb*ss. You are too busy making Trump's putter straight.

There isn't a nickle's worth of difference between the basics of Obama's economic policies that paid off GW's budget debt and any of these Dem candidate's economics.

But you aren't fooling anyone here, you couldn't care less. All you can do these days is troll the people who dare to question your inanities.

#51 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-03 01:40 AM | Reply

--Because you haven't looked, dumb*ss

You can link to the Democrat candidates' plans to balance the budget, if you can find anything other than proposals for trillions of new spending.

#52 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-03 01:51 AM | Reply

"you can link to the Democrat candidates' plans to balance the budget"

Trump's plan was to lie to Nulli, and that's a good enough budget plan for Nulli.

Meanwhile he demands Actual Math from Democrats.

My bet is their plan would look a lot like mine. How about we go from there, and you tell us what the Republican plan is to balance the budget?

#53 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-03 01:55 AM | Reply

"Trump said he wouldn't cut Medicaid, Social Security, and Medicare. His 2020 budget cuts all 3.
Trump said he wouldn't be like "every other Republican." He is.
#36 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY "

A cut or a decrease in the rate of the spending increase? Dems need to learn the difference because the actual spending goes UP EVERY YEAR. You want to balance the budget? The stop lying about what constitutes a cut. I agree with Rand Paul - freeze all spending to last year's levels and then deduct 2%. Every organization as 2% fat - in the government, it is more like 45%, or "Laura Mohr levels"

#54 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-03 02:15 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

A cut or a decrease in the rate of the spending increase? Dems need to learn the difference because the actual spending goes UP EVERY YEAR. You want to balance the budget? The stop lying about what constitutes a cut. I agree with Rand Paul - freeze all spending to last year's levels and then deduct 2%.

#54 | POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG AT 2019-11-03 02:15 AM | REPLY |

Spending goes up every year because the population goes up, specifically the elderly population. If you spend the same dollar amount on more people you have cut benefits to each and every one of them. Anything below inflation and population growth is a real cut.

#55 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-11-03 02:32 AM | Reply

Repeal the Trump tax giveaway, return to Clinton's tax code, increase the progressive tax rates, add a small per transaction tax on Wall Street, and slash the military budget.

Your turn.

Oh wait...you already voted on your plan. Literally.

#50 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

The people you vote for aren't proposing much of that. They are only willing to raise taxes on the highest bracket and then are proposing 10's of trillions in new spending without any kind of new spending without even proposing how to pay for current spending.

If your party gets what it wants the deficits will be WAY worse than the path we are currently on. But, you'll vote for them anyway. It's amazing you play this childish game of vote-shaming.

Do you support any spending cuts in SS, Medicare, Medicaid?

#56 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-11-03 10:32 AM | Reply

We need to raise the age of eligibility for SS and Medicare. 1 year 5 years from now. 1 year 15 years from now. 1 year 25 years from now.

Given the trajectory of those programs it's mathematically impossible to fund them and everything else without killing the economy in the process through oppressive taxation.

#57 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-11-03 10:34 AM | Reply

"The people you vote for aren't proposing much of that."

The people you vote for are proposing exactly the opposite of that.

"They are only willing to raise taxes on the highest bracket and then are proposing 10's of trillions in new spending without any kind of new spending without even proposing how to pay for current spending. "

Remember how that pissed you off when Republicans did that with their $2.3 Trillion tax giveaway? NO ONE ELSE DOES EITHER, so kindly shove that talking point up your ass.

"It's amazing you play this childish game of vote-shaming. "

I'm simply stating a fact. If you're shamed by voting for the folks you vote for, that's on you.

"If your party gets what it wants "

I have no party. I want good governing, and a fair tax code. That leaves me only one choice among the two majors.

"Do you support any spending cuts in SS, Medicare, Medicaid?"

Not after a $2.3 Trillion giveaway. You don't get to say "can't afford" after that. But I'm for fixing the SS system via ALL routes, including higher withholding percentages and later retirement dates.

#58 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-03 10:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"A cut or a decrease in the rate of the spending increase? Dems need to learn the difference because the actual spending goes UP EVERY YEAR."

One reason is because population goes up EVERY YEAR. And morons who flunked Econ don't realize a static number IS A CUT when population grows.

#59 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-03 10:40 AM | Reply

Republican plan to balance the budget for the last 40 years... sprinkle magic tax-cut, trickle-down fairy dust on it until it balances... repeat until it works.

Result: 23 trillion debt.

Here's a question for Nulli. Where should spending be cut, that will make enough difference to balance the budget?

Andrea likes to say we can't tax our way out. It is a certainty that we can't spending cut our way out. At least not without destroying the economy and/or our defense and infrastructure.

#60 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2019-11-03 10:49 AM | Reply

"Given the trajectory of those programs it's mathematically impossible to fund them and everything else without killing the economy in the process through oppressive taxation.
#57 | POSTED BY JEFFJ"

Medicare goes broke in 2026, SS in 2032. Although your suggestions will help the programs, a more drastic change is needed to make them solvent. For instance, there will be a 20% income/spending inbalance in SS in 2032 - so, you are dealing with a problem way, way bigger than adding a year here and there.

#61 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-03 10:52 AM | Reply

I'm simply stating a fact. If you're shamed by voting for the folks you vote for, that's on you.

I'm not shamed by my voting habits, certainly not by you.

I have no party.

That might be the funniest thing I've read all week. DNCDan, DNCForth, Donkey Suit Dan are all well-earned nicknames.

I want good governing,

We all do.

and a fair tax code.

Fair is subjective. What you really are for is punishment, a punitive tax code. I want a tax code that funds our government. Full stop. Neither party is willing to do what it takes to fund our government. Your party wants to massively increase spending with a whole slew of new goodies: Reparations, M4A, Free college, college debt forgiveness, free healthcare for illegal aliens. Your party also wants to increase the poor and dependent among us with de facto open borders - decriminalize illegal entry, free healthcare and free welfare for those who come illegally - dangle a huge carrot in front of these people and then do little to prevent illegal entry. So, increase the number of recipients, massively increase spending - more than doubling it and propose a tax code that won't fully fund where we are now before they more than double spending. That is what you vote for and then have the gall to pretend to be self-righteous because other people don't want that. With all of the massive new spending, going forward the Democratic Party will increase deficits and therefore our debt more than the GOP will.

"Do you support any spending cuts in SS, Medicare, Medicaid?"
---
Not after a $2.3 Trillion giveaway. You don't get to say "can't afford" after that.

You claim to want good governing, yet you will oppose measures to reduce spending in areas where spending is exploding.

But I'm for fixing the SS system via ALL routes, including higher withholding percentages and later retirement dates.

Same here. I apply the same toward Medicare.

#62 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-11-03 10:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#60 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT

For me:

50% cut to all military spending - yes Dems - you lose the right to fight your regime change wars and whine about the Kurds.

20% cut in social security benefits for new entrants, 10% for those 40 and under, 5% for those 55 and under - no change for existing beneficiaries.

Audit the food stamp and SSDI role, should get a 15%+ cut in spending by simply ending fraud

Have the Fed reduce rates to 1% and hold flat for the next 10 years - that saves ~$300B annually in interest costs

No change to Medicare

Spend $10B to build a wall + $10B/year for interior immigration enforcement, this will lead to vast cost savings in social spending, education spending, etc.

Cut state department spending by 30% by reducing diplomat staffing levels - there job should be to issue VISAs only

End the CIA as a separate entity, reduce budget by 50% and make part of the state department - they are a waste of money. Same goes for NSA.

On taxes, keep corporate taxes as is, return the prior top end rates, tax capital gains/interest income at the same rate as W2 income, get rid of the carried interest hedge fund nonsense.

Not too hard - these changes would balance the budget, end our aggressive military posturing, and still have our military outspend our nearest rival by 3x.

#63 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-03 11:03 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

--Here's a question for Nulli. Where should spending be cut, that will make enough difference to balance the budget?

As I've said before, I like Rand Paul's plan. We could also raise taxes, as long as every dime goes to deficit reduction and not new programs.

"Paul's proposal called for cutting 2 percent from the federal budget for each of the next five years and would reduce federal spending by about $11 trillion over the next decade"even though spending would rise after the first five years. It's an adaptation of the so-called "Penny Plan" that Paul has been pushing for several years, though he now says an additional penny in cuts for every federal dollar spent is necessary to get the budget to balance."

#64 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-03 11:13 AM | Reply

Another one of his huge, massive failures.

"We've got to get rid of the $19 trillion in debt. ... Well, I would say over a period of eight years." Donald Trump Apr 2, 2016

#65 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2019-11-03 12:44 PM | Reply

"Your party wants to massively increase spending with a whole slew of new goodies: Reparations, M4A, Free college, college debt forgiveness, free healthcare for illegal aliens."

Your party wants to massively increase spending with a whole slew of new goodies: Lowered capital gains taxes, lowered income taxes, handouts to farmers, giving $750 per person per day to private companies indefinitely detaining illegal aliens.

And yet literally none of that spending has ever run afoul of your "no new spending" pledge.

Who do you think you're fooling, aside from yourself?
???

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-03 01:28 PM | Reply

Spend $10B to build a wall + $10B/year for interior immigration enforcement, this will lead to vast cost savings in social spending, education spending, etc.

Trump wants $5 Billion to build 200 miles of wall that can be defeated by a ladder or a cordless power tool. If you build 1,989 miles of wall for $10 billion that wall would have to be made of paper. To get 24/7 manned towers on a wall you need 3 shifts of guards. Border patrol guards get about $50k per year. Benefits and administration double that cost plus you have to equip them. It cost about $850k/year for 1 soldier in the military in 2012.

nation.time.com

So $10 billion per year will get you 11,700 border patrol agents. 2 per shift 3 shifts a day means 1960 guard towers which means less than 1 per mile and you have no money left to patrol the paper wall between them.

#67 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-11-03 01:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#67 | Posted by hatter5183

"Quit throwing that common sense at us!!"

- The usual right wing suspects

BTW, arresting employers en masse and perp walking them on TV would put a stop to illegal immigration ASAP. But Trump & Co have quit doing that. Gotta have a brown bogeyman, don'tcha know?

#68 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-11-03 01:47 PM | Reply

Oh, and among Trump's long list of campaign promises - none of which he's fulfilled - was to pay off the national debt during his presidency. Instead, we don't hear a peep about that while he gave himself a huge tax cut. Didn't he say his taxes would be going up?

If Trump's lips are moving ...

#69 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-11-03 01:49 PM | Reply

Ira, 50% military cut.

I'll add to it.

Close all oversea bases, bring all the troops home and the new US base borders the entire length of the country: Canada and Mexico. If you illegal cross the border, you have entered a US military base.

All troops, worldwide, are withdrawn from any conflict/war zone.

The US reduces any UN mandate we must follow to the minimum number of troops.

If we have any treaties requiring troop present, these all get revised. The US will pull out under National Security.

National Security is threatened by National Debt.

#70 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-11-03 04:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Republicl0wns are the cheap whores who sold out the country nearly two decades ago for a $200 tax rebate... that's a fact.

I suggestthat we snuff out the 1% that will get rid of the bulk of the debt.

#71 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-11-04 02:41 AM | Reply

Go US! We're number one! In debt.

So...

Winning!!!

"National Security is threatened by National Debt.

#70 | POSTED BY PETROUS"

Bah. Minor annoyances.

The real threat to our Democracy is President Comancho and his ignorant followers. But no worries. We got that sucka on the ropes.

He will be doing the perp walk soon enough. He will go down in history with the other infamous Presidents who thought they were above the rule of Law.

Enjoy your impeachment you freakin idiots.

#72 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-11-04 10:59 AM | Reply

US Treasury ...
Fiscal
Year Year
Ending National Debt Deficit
FY1993 09/30/1993 $4.411488 trillion
FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692749 trillion $281.26 billion
FY1995 09/29/1995 $4.973982 trillion $281.23 billion
FY1996 09/30/1996 $5.224810 trillion $250.83 billion
FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413146 trillion $188.34 billion
FY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526193 trillion $113.05 billion
FY1999 09/30/1999 $5.656270 trillion $130.08 billion
FY2000 09/29/2000 $5.674178 trillion $17.91 billion
FY2001 09/28/2001 $5.807463 trillion $133.29 billion
NEVER DID CLINTON HAVE THE DEBT DROP .....

#23 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Yes, but he still had a Surplus which was used to pay down the PUBLIC DEBT. Having a surplus doesn't mean the National Debt necessarily drops. I get tired of explaining this to you.

Sources are below.

Why you are wrong? I found your "sources." They are going after the difference in the Federal Debt rather than the income versus outlays that year.
Unfortunately an increase in the National Debt doesn't mean the Government didn't run a surplus. It just means they didn't pay down the total debt with the surplus.

Basic Explanation:
A family owes $10,000 in credit card debt with 5% interest and has a surplus in their budget for the year of $1,000 after income from employment minus daily expenses. Instead of paying down the credit card debt, they put the money in savings. The credit card debt increases to $10,500. They had a $1,000 surplus but their debt still increased.
Even your own sources admit this is a problem when they respond to objections.

Why the National Debt Still Increased
The Federal Debt did increase that amount in 1999 on paper but not in reality. The Public Debt was actually paid down in 1997-2000. The actual increase came from the Social Security Administration buying US Securities (something its required to do with any surpluses). Basically Social Security loans money to the Feds whether the Feds need it or not by buying securities. The security counts as a debt as far as the national debt goes.

Basic Explanation
Again think of a Family. The bank gives the family a $1,000 loan at 2% called a security. The family can't say no. And the family can't repay the loan until the Bank decides to cash it in. So even if the family has a yearly surplus of $100,000, their debt will go up $1,000 from the Bank's loan and there is nothing they can do about it.

And that's why measuring surplus or deficit by the National Federal Debt is for stupid people.

Without even including Social Security, Clinton saw a surplus of $1.9 billion in 1999 and $86.4 billion in 2000 under the Cash Method employed by the CBO. Again, without even including Social Security, Clinton saw surpluses of $69.2 billion in fiscal 1998, $76.9 billion in fiscal 1999, and $46 billion for fiscal year 2000 under the Accrual Method.

But hey, why trust me? Trust what the CBO says. www.cbo.gov
Also, www.factcheck.org

Quick Summary
Mackris is once again wrong. She misunderstands the difference in the National Debt and the National Deficit and how Social Security buying Securities with surpluses increases the National Debt regardless of Federal Government non-Social Security Surpluses.

#73 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-11-04 12:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Mackris is once again wrong."

The day must end in a -y.

#74 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-04 12:34 PM | Reply

Still waiting to see the Dem plans from the usual suspects.

#35 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

How about reversing the "Tax Cuts" passed by Trump and Bush?

And how about we stop calling them tax cuts when we have to borrow money to afford them. Let's just call them what they are: Loans written by Boomers from Millennials to Boomers.

#75 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-11-04 12:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

1) Cut Military spending by 20%. Stop making toys the military doesn't want or need. Close all military bases on foreign soil more than 150 miles from a border with an enemy that are not actively engaged in military campaigns. Stop spending $35 Billion/year maintaining a nuclear arsenal that will ever be used.

2) raise corporate taxes to pre-Reagan levels. We only tax profits, not revenue. High corporate taxes incentivise long term growth. Corporations consume government services and those costs should be passed on to their consumers just like all the other costs of doing business and not externalised to everyone else. MY taxes should not pay the costs of government services consumed making widgets YOU buy.

3) tax capital gains as regular income. People paid for working should not be paying higher tax rates than people who get paid for having money

4) Tax more than we spend.

#76 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-11-04 01:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Your party wants to massively increase spending with a whole slew of new goodies: Reparations, M4A, Free college, college debt forgiveness, free healthcare for illegal aliens."

You're comparing stupid pipe dreams with what Republicans have already done. You're also amalgamating all Dem proposals in one candidate. Care to get more realistic?

And while you're at it, could you remind us how Republicans plan to pay for the lower capital gains tax rates?

#77 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-04 02:38 PM | Reply

Deficits don't matter when the president is a Republican. Nothing to see here.

#78 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-11-04 03:21 PM | Reply

Still waiting to see the Dem plans from the usual suspects.
#35 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Troll want plans. Need troll food. No can blame Hillary for Dear Leader's debt increase. Unga bunga.

#79 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-11-04 03:30 PM | Reply

Want to fix the budget?

Eliminate all taxes cuts since the Reagan Administration.

Eliminate subsidies for corporations and foreign nations.

Reduce spending on the military.

#80 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-11-04 04:07 PM | Reply

Do you support any spending cuts in SS, Medicare, Medicaid?
#56 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

You mean the money that's been taken from my paycheck, every week, since I was 16.

I should forget about getting back any of it.

Because rich people want tax cuts so they can buy their eleventh yacht.

Jeff. You're either incredibly wealthy and well off or you're a fkkking idiot.

I know I'm on the fence about that one.

#81 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-11-04 04:10 PM | Reply

"You're either incredibly wealthy and well off or you're a fkkking idiot."

My money's on both.

#82 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-04 04:44 PM | Reply

Jeff. You're either incredibly wealthy and well off or you're a fkkking idiot.
I know I'm on the fence about that one.

POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-11-04 04:10 PM | REPLY

Jeff has said on multiple occasions that his father is a multimillianaire so there is that.

#83 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-11-04 04:45 PM | Reply

JeffJ is basically like Trump. Just not as rich. Same personality.

#84 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-04 05:07 PM | Reply

Jeff has said on multiple occasions that his father is a multimillianaire so there is that.

Well then.

That clears up a lot.

The Republican Party does represent him.

#85 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-11-04 05:36 PM | Reply

I doubt Jeffry's dad is a millionaire, he's just dumber than a bag of hammers.

#86 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-11-04 06:55 PM | Reply

I think it's his stepdad who is the millionaire.

JeffJ does the chores around the house while his wife wins the bread.

I mean, who wouldn't want that life?

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-04 06:58 PM | Reply

This debt is why we need more illegal alien invaders.

"gfy" ? nice danforth, keeping it classy as always. You used to be cabable of better.

#88 | Posted by mutant at 2019-11-04 07:28 PM | Reply

A millionaire is if you saved for retirement and own a house. Attainable by 55 yo for most middle americans.

#89 | Posted by mutant at 2019-11-04 07:30 PM | Reply

We still need to pay off that war in the middle east in 1991.

You do like plastic and gasoline right?

Im waiting for American ingenuity and productivity to catch up so we can enjoy a leisurely 30 hour work week. Toiling for the (((banker class)) is slavery.

#90 | Posted by mutant at 2019-11-04 07:36 PM | Reply

Are we sure jeff is not taking care of his wife's son??

#91 | Posted by mutant at 2019-11-04 07:36 PM | Reply

""gfy" ? nice danforth, keeping it classy as always. You used to be cabable of better."

GFY is actually a perfect response to those who decry deficits after voting for those who promise to increase MIC spending and slash revenues.

It's also great for Republicans who complain how few pay income taxes after five Republican initiatives to knock people off the income tax rolls.

#92 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-04 10:13 PM | Reply

"JeffJ does the chores around the house while his wife wins the bread."

And she's in the medical field, so M4A = threat to his meal ticket.

#93 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-04 10:14 PM | Reply

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