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Tuesday, November 05, 2019

House Republican leadership is looking to load up the House Intelligence Committee with some of President Donald Trump's top defenders, including Rep. Jim Jordan, as the panel has become ground zero for impeachment.

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Hopefully Rep Jordan will do better than he did during Mr Cohen's hearing back in February. During that hearing Rep Ocasio-Cortez owned him with the insight of her questions, vs the obvious deflection attempts of his questions.

Of course, if all the Republicans are trying to do is turn the hearings into inane partisan theatrics, then Rep Jordan is the one for that job.

After all the complaining the Republicans did about the private depositions, it is surprising that, now the hearings will be public, they show their apparent intent to sabotage them.

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-05 07:43 PM | Reply

Jordan makes a lot of noise and seems like a smart, well spoken guy, but even he admits that he is a "wanna be" lawyer who graduated from law school but never took the Bar.

The GOP would be better served by putting an experienced trial attorney (if they have one) on Intel instead of Jordan.

#2 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-05 08:49 PM | Reply

The GOP would be better served by putting an experienced trial attorney (if they have one) on Intel instead of Jordan.

#2 | Posted by Rightocenter

Yeah maybe they should get rudy guliani.

#3 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-11-05 08:57 PM | Reply

Maybe they're just looking for an excuse to get rid of Devin Nunes who isn't the brightest porch light in town.

#4 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-11-05 09:01 PM | Reply

@#2 ... Jordan makes a lot of noise and seems like a smart, well spoken guy, ...

Yes, Rep Jordan makes a lot of noise.

But smart, well-spoken? Well, maybe the latter. But I've not yet seen evidence of the former.

If he were smart, he might decide to use different tactics besides the noise he creates.

If he were smart he would want to elevate the conversation to discuss what he wants discussed, instead of just preventing anyone from talking.

He's an unintelligent foghorn, nothing more, nothing less.

imo, of course.

#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-05 09:29 PM | Reply

"The GOP would be better served by putting an experienced trial attorney (if they have one) on Intel instead of Jordan.
#2 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER"

Any credibility the GOP gives this as any kind of trial, the more they lose. This is a clown show and the GOP should continue to treat it as such. This is not about the law - this is about public perception. What we don't need is more Trey Gowdy types making any presentations - I will take Jim Jordan in a heartbeat over that type.

#6 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-05 10:39 PM | Reply

He's an unintelligent foghorn, nothing more, nothing less.

Underestimate him at your peril, I have heard him talk on several occasions and he is smarter than most distinguished members of the House of Representatives.

#7 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-05 10:40 PM | Reply

#6

The public hearings are basically a trial and if the GOP doesn't have someone to cross-examine the Majorities "show" witnesses, public opinion will continue to turn against Trump.

#8 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-05 10:42 PM | Reply

"The public hearings are basically a trial and if the GOP doesn't have someone to cross-examine the Majorities "show" witnesses, public opinion will continue to turn against Trump.
#8 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER"

This is where we disagree. The ultimate result will not come down to a great legal argument one way or the other. This will be about soundbites and how the groups message the 'meaning' of testimony on cable news after the fact. We know the libs and the MSM will say anything presented is 'damning'. The question is whether the GOP can whip up similar emotions within their base. If the GOP senators fear a giant backlash by voting against Trump - they won't. It is just that simple as there is no crime even being alleged. Thus, I will take a good PR guy over the world's greatest litigator any day of the week.

#9 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-05 10:52 PM | Reply

The ultimate result will not come down to a great legal argument one way or the other.

I never said it would come down to a legal argument, do you not understand what "cross-examine" means?

This will be about soundbites and how the groups message the 'meaning' of testimony on cable news after the fact.

Which is why the GOP needs someone who can effectively cross-examine the Dems witnesses so that they have their own soundbites.

The question is whether the GOP can whip up similar emotions within their base.

Bringing us back to effective cross-examination, eviscerating a Dem friendly witness on live TV will do just that.

If the GOP senators fear a giant backlash by voting against Trump - they won't.

Don't put the cart before the horse, we aren't there yet. The House inquiry will be a trial in the court of public opinion, with the public as the jury. Hence the need for someone who knows how to conduct a trial.

Thus, I will take a good PR guy over the world's greatest litigator any day of the week.

PR and messaging are important, but only as good as the testimony that is elicited during these hearings. Without it, its just more noise, and if you think that is going to win the day, you are sorely mistaken.

#10 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-05 11:05 PM | Reply

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"This will be about soundbites and how the groups message the 'meaning' of testimony"

Why should it?

The President leveraged hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars for a quid pro quo against his chief political rival.

You either believe that's not okay, or you eschew democracy. No middle ground.

#11 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-05 11:05 PM | Reply

Biden should offer Putin Alaska in exchange for his kompromat on Trump.
Fair is fair.

#12 | Posted by bored at 2019-11-05 11:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Jordon cries and whines loudly and always plays the victim card.
Such the snowflake.

#13 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-11-05 11:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Bringing us back to effective cross-examination, eviscerating a Dem friendly witness on live TV will do just that."

The country is so partisan - that won't change anything. Showing their statements to be inconsistent, etc does not matter unless you have showman ship as well. As an example - look at the liar Blasey Ford. The GOP appointed lawyer pretty much destroyed her argument but did it without flare - so people still believe that lying sack of crap.

"The House inquiry will be a trial in the court of public opinion, with the public as the jury. Hence the need for someone who knows how to conduct a trial."

Yes, EVERYTHING is solely decided by public opinion in this case. Thus, showmanship is more important than litigating. Trump already won the legal argument as no 'crime' is even being discussed. This is a PR showtrial - nothing more.

"PR and messaging are important, but only as good as the testimony that is elicited during these hearings.
#10 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER "

Again, I disagree as the actual testimony doesn't matter. It is the spin on the words that matters. If it were about the law, we would not being have this sham process to being with.

#14 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-05 11:59 PM | Reply

"the actual testimony doesn't matter. It is the spin on the words that matters."

OMG! I was horribly, horribly wrong. Ira is NOT that vile, lying POS Stephen Miller.

He's Kellyanne Conway.

#15 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-06 12:03 AM | Reply

"If it were about the law, we would not being have this sham process to being with."

What a riot.

You don't have the nads to admit if Dems were doing what Team Trump is accused of doing, your head would be exploding.

#16 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-06 12:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"if Dems were doing what Team Trump is accused of doing, your head would be exploding.
#16 | POSTED BY DANFORTH "

Exposing corruption in Ukraine? Sorry, Trump is bound by treaty to report corruption. As for 2016, that is a national security issue. Falsely accusing the Russians of the DNC hack has had a chilling effect on international relations.

#17 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-06 12:11 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#6 | Posted by iragoldberg

Because you're an idiot.

#18 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-06 12:15 AM | Reply

"#18 | POSTED BY JPW"

Drunk again? Bit early in the week, isn't it?

#19 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-06 12:27 AM | Reply

Trump is bound by treaty to report corruption.

You should read the Treaty on Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters, it says no such thing. Communications are between the Central Authority of each country. For the US the AG and for Ukraine the Ministry of Justice and the Office of the Prosecutor General, not the President of either country. In the Requesting state their must be an existing criminal investigation or prosecution. www.state.gov

Before the Bufoon sought private political gain from Ukraine was there an existing criminal investigation or prosecution of the Bidens? Is there one now?

#20 | Posted by et_al at 2019-11-06 12:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Before the Trump sought to stop corruption from Ukraine was there an existing criminal investigation or prosecution of the Bidens? Is there one now?
#20 | POSTED BY ET_AL"

Ukraine has a standing anti-corruption team. We don't know their current status. BTW, the construction and guiding of this anti-corruption team was from the US - until the US decided they were corrupt too. BTW, Trump never asked for an investigation of Biden or dirt on Biden - just that the people that were corrupt with Biden were still in the Ukraine government - so a warning to the president about the type of people they have around them.

Now, go back with your same level of outrage and explain why Biden getting the prosecutor fired was not to help Hunter. You might want to read Solomon's latest piece in The Hill first.

#21 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-06 12:43 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Drunk again? Bit early in the week, isn't it?

#19 | Posted by iragoldberg

Still trying to draw water from that dry well...

Not surprising given your intellectually vapid self.

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-06 12:49 AM | Reply

You might want to read Solomon's latest piece in The Hill first.

A shill wrote a piece for a rag.

Print it so I can wipe my ass with it. That'll fulfill about all it's worth.

#23 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-06 12:53 AM | Reply

#23 | POSTED BY JPW

Yeah....you clearly are not drunk tonight....

#24 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-06 12:54 AM | Reply

Yeah....you clearly are not drunk tonight....

#24 | Posted by iragoldberg

Nope.

I just noticed you've not only been posting more lately (you seemed to disappear for a while while goatman was back...odd) and you've brought even more ludicrous nonsense than before to the DR.

My long standing hatred of dishonesty and poor character remains, unlike your dignity, intact.

As for Solomon and The Hill you have a conspiracy theory pushing turd publishing in a "c-c-conservative" rag.

So it's no surprise you'd take it seriously.

#25 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-06 01:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

so a warning to the president about the type of people they have around them.

LOL Orange Schitheap warning about the type of company one keeps.

Hilarious.

I'm almost wondering if you work in the WH.

Only somebody that close to Trump would show such brazenly stupid devotion to the level of absurdity that you do.

#26 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-06 01:04 AM | Reply

"I just noticed you've not only been posting more lately
#25 | POSTED BY JPW "

I stopped posting because I was given a 3 week ban for linking to the Ukrainian MP stating that they have documentary proof that Biden was personally paid off by Burisma. Why that was not deemed worthy or posting and/or so scandalous that I was banned for it is a question for someone else. That ban expired on Nov. 1st.

#27 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-06 01:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"the Ukrainian MP stating that they have documentary proof that Biden was personally paid off by Burisma. "

So Republicans were so pissed off at HB being around crooks like Manafort...

...they hired Manafort.

#28 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-06 01:24 AM | Reply

#21

I don't pay attention to opinion pieces, especially those by "award winning investigative" conspiracy theorists like Solomon and Palast. I do pay attention to original sources, such as the Treaty with Ukraine. That treaty directly contradicts the talking points you threw around as if they are fact.

#29 | Posted by et_al at 2019-11-06 01:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"He's (Jordan) an unintelligent foghorn, nothing more, nothing less."

Perfect description of him. Any intelligent person realizes that's all he is.

#30 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-11-06 01:26 AM | Reply

" Sorry, Trump is bound by treaty to report corruption. "

Well than he's falling down on the job even worse than feared.

Stunning, isn't it, the only place he seems to look is toward his political rivals.

#31 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-06 01:27 AM | Reply

"That treaty directly contradicts the talking points you threw around as if they are fact."

Ira's not bound by facts.

Haven't you heard? He admitted the truth doesn't matter anymore, only the spin. Obviously, this is his gaslight stage.

#32 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-06 01:28 AM | Reply

That ban expired on Nov. 1st.

#27 | Posted by iragoldberg

What a shame.

#33 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-06 01:37 AM | Reply

"What a shame.
#33 | POSTED BY JPW"

What is:

Your bottle is empty?
Your Goatman conspiracy theory is ridiculous?
That I was banned for posting the truth? Second time after I was banned for posting about Harris' affair with married Willie Brown?
...or just words you constantly heard from your mother?

What exactly is the shame?

#34 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-06 02:12 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

What exactly is the shame?

#34 | Posted by iragoldberg

Watching your dumb, pathetic, immoral ass make a fool of themselves.

#35 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-06 02:16 AM | Reply

Your bottle is empty?

Still dragging the bucket at the bottom of that well I see.

Well...when you got nothing you got nothing. If only you'd recognize what everybody else sees.

#36 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-06 02:21 AM | Reply

#34

The truth isn't really a thing for you.

#37 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-06 07:56 AM | Reply

Is this guy what they call a "Crisis Actor"?

#38 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-11-06 09:17 AM | Reply

The GOP would be better served by putting an experienced trial attorney (if they have one) on Intel instead of Jordan.

#2 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

The GOP would be better served by acknowledging the damning evidence and kicking Trump to the curb or else they can fully expect more elections to go the way of Virginia and Kentucky next year.

#39 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2019-11-06 09:51 AM | Reply

BTW, Trump never asked for an investigation of Biden or dirt on Biden...
#21 | POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG AT 2019-11-06 12:43 AM | REPLY | FUNNY: 1

It's good to know the Trump defenders are outright lying at this point. From the transcript:

The other thing, there's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me.

#40 | Posted by bartimus at 2019-11-06 12:28 PM | Reply

Oh scary! The dude that diddled the student wrestlers.

Why anyone gives this douche any weight is mind boggling.

#41 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2019-11-07 06:13 PM | Reply

"Hence the need for someone who knows how to conduct a trial.
#10 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER"

Hence the point that Jordan is a bad choice. Dude ain't even a lawyer.

#42 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2019-11-07 06:53 PM | Reply

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