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Thursday, November 07, 2019

GOP Sens. Ron Johnson and Chuck Grassley are asking Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to release any State Department records related to Vice President Joe Biden's son, Hunter.

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Nothing good of this will come for both the Bidens or John Kerry, who is also now implicated through his step-son.

Screams of "irrelevant" incoming in 3...2...1.

We are all about to get a very public lesson in how the sausage is made.

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-07 04:46 PM | Reply

From the letter:

"In 2016, while Hunter Biden and Devon Archer were both working for Burisma Holdings, Ukraine's top prosecutor was conducting an investigation into the company and its owner. The Times reported that, in 2016, Vice President Biden 'threatened to withhold $1 billion in United States loan guarantees if Ukraine's leaders did not dismiss the country's [Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin].' Ukraine's parliament voted to dismiss Shokin after Vice President Biden called for his removal," the letter states. "Indeed, Vice President Biden later bragged about how he was responsible for Shokin's firing."

"In 2016, while Hunter Biden and Devon Archer were both working for Burisma Holdings, Ukraine's top prosecutor was conducting an investigation into the company and its owner. The Times reported that, in 2016, Vice President Biden 'threatened to withhold $1 billion in United States loan guarantees if Ukraine's leaders did not dismiss the country's [Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin].' Ukraine's parliament voted to dismiss Shokin after Vice President Biden called for his removal," the letter states. "Indeed, Vice President Biden later bragged about how he was responsible for Shokin's firing."

Letter to The Honorable Michael Pompeo

Since the Senate controls its own investigations, like the House it determines what is or is not relevant for those investigations.

Things are about to heat up for Biden, Kerry and a few other members of the Obama Administration over Ukraine.

#2 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-07 04:52 PM | Reply

Things are about to heat up for Biden, Kerry and a few other members of the Obama Administration over Ukraine.

#2 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Bring it on. I've got popcorn and I would love to see anyone that is dirty get taken down. Can you say the same? I am not sure that Jeff can.

#3 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2019-11-07 05:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Screams of "irrelevant" incoming in 3...2...1.

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter

I was going to say retaliatory and obfuscating.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-07 05:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I would love to see anyone that is dirty get taken down.

#3 | Posted by justagirl_Idaho

Trumpites don't get this attitude. They seem to think that investigating Hunter Biden means that Trump isn't guilty and does not need to be removed.

#5 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-07 05:05 PM | Reply

"Things are about to heat up for Biden, Kerry and a few other members of the Obama Administration over Ukraine."

Sounds like you've finally been able to put Benghazi behind you?
Congratulations on your recovery!

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-07 05:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 6

Am I meant to suffer because Hunter Biden is being investigated? Maybe, but more likely the intended target is Joe Biden. Looks like Ukraine's going to be used to get dirt (at least related to) Trump's best competition one way or another.

#7 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-07 05:13 PM | Reply

Tell you what. If Hunter Biden did anything close to as bad as Trump extorting a foreign power for help in the 2020 election, I'll consider not voting for him for president in, say, 2040.

#8 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-07 05:15 PM | Reply

Things are about to heat up for Biden, Kerry and a few other members of the Obama Administration over Ukraine.
#2 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

More garbage pile nonsense from the usual suspects.

#9 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-11-07 05:22 PM | Reply

Was Biden threatening to withhold funds already appropriately by Congress unless Ukraine dimissed Viktor Shokin.
Not Quid pro quo?

#10 | Posted by homerj at 2019-11-07 05:25 PM | Reply

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Was Biden threatening to withhold funds already appropriately by Congress unless Ukraine dimissed Viktor Shokin.
Not Quid pro quo?

#10 | Posted by homerj at

Dis Donald Trump steal millions from a charity to fund his own 2016 campaign?

Why yes; yes, he did.

There's no way, even at their worst, that Biden or anyone's going to out bad Donald Trump.

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-07 05:30 PM | Reply

Was Biden threatening to withhold funds already appropriately by Congress unless Ukraine dimissed Viktor Shokin.
Not Quid pro quo?

#10 | Posted by homerj at

Did Donald Trump steal millions from a charity to fund his own 2016 campaign?

Why yes; yes, he did.

There's no way, even at their worst, that Biden or anyone's going to out bad Donald Trump.

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-07 05:31 PM | Reply

Wow, Zed's panic is palpable.

#13 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-07 05:33 PM | Reply

Can you say the same?

Absolutely, I have been calling for Pelosi to start a Formal Impeachment Inquiry since March.

Bring them all down!

#14 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-07 05:34 PM | Reply

Donald Trump occupies a pinnacle of corruption that has not been equaled in the entire lifetime of this Republic. He is Class A Scum, without peer or competition.

We may actually see him brag about this at some point.

#15 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-07 05:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#10 -where do you people come from that can't figure out the difference between executing the official policy of the United States for the benefit of the United States, versus a shadow foreign policy being executed to benefit the President personally, and politically, at the expense of the United States? Not to mention Biden didn't withhold military aid Congress provided to fight Russia's invasion of an Ally. The money withheld was loan guarantees. Trump counts on folks not to understand how vastly different these things are, and apparently for some, it works.

www.usatoday.com

#16 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-07 05:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#9

Not so substantive, and very DRtarded.

Guess we can expect nothing more from you at this point.

#17 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-07 05:37 PM | Reply

Wow, Zed's panic is palpable.

#13 | Posted by Rightocenter

Wow, RIGHTOCENTER'S Trumpiness is almost completely out in the open.

#18 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-07 05:37 PM | Reply

"Trump counts on folks not to understand how vastly different these things are, and apparently for some, it works."

This is RightOCenter's M.O., all day, every day.

As in this lie from earlier today:
"but in every recount reversal since 2000, the Democratic Candidate who demanded the recount always won"
about recounts that weren't demanded by candidate, but mandated by statute.

He's a real snake in the grass.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-07 05:47 PM | Reply

#14 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Yes, but you also sort of sounded like you thought doing so would benefit Trump and that it would be good for you. You never sounded like you thought they should do it to actually remove Trump, which I believe needs to happen. I believe that Trump has soiled the office and has set a precedent that the POTUS is above all and without question. If we allow this to stand then we will deserve the dictator who takes it further. I also believe that if Biden is dirty they should prove it, along with anyone else.

#20 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2019-11-07 05:52 PM | Reply

"Yes, but you also sort of sounded like you thought doing so would benefit Trump and that it would be good for you. You never sounded like you thought they should do it to actually remove Trump, which I believe needs to happen."

Oh, so you can see that too?
It's a little surprising he thinks it's not so obvious...

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-07 05:55 PM | Reply

#16

The GOP controlled Senate is going to examine this very closely and there is nothing that the DNC and their mouthpieces can do other than scream "irrelevant", "obfuscation", "retaliation" and any other hysteria they can whip up.

Politics is a nasty business and usually this kind of thing is hashed out behind closed doors, we are about to see it all unfold in real time.

However, keep whistling through the graveyard, I am sure the Biden's and Kerry's appreciate your unwavering support of the talking points provided by the DNCMSM.

#22 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-07 06:07 PM | Reply

Yes, but you also sort of sounded like you thought doing so would benefit Trump and that it would be good for you. You never sounded like you thought they should do it to actually remove Trump

Not at all, but if that makes you sleep better at night, I'm happy for you.

#23 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-07 06:08 PM | Reply

The GOP controlled Senate is going to examine this very closely and there is nothing that the DNC and their mouthpieces can do other than scream "irrelevant", "obfuscation", "retaliation" and any other hysteria they can whip up.

It's not hysteria if it's true.

Not at all, but if that makes you sleep better at night, I'm happy for you.

Her description is an accurate one.

#24 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-07 06:18 PM | Reply

#19
As in this lie from earlier today:
"but in every recount reversal since 2000, the Democratic Candidate who demanded the recount always won"
about recounts that weren't demanded by candidate, but mandated by statute.

Interesting that I am so far inside your encephalitic little head that you adamantly call that a lie: While you are correct that Franken was an automatic recount, Gregiore (Washington Governor race) and Salmon (Vermont Auditor race) demanded recounts according to State law.

So if I "lied" about one of those races, you must have "lied" about the other two.

Either that or your desperation to prove me wrong about something --anything --is beyond pathetic.

#25 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-07 06:20 PM | Reply

#24

LOL, I am sure that there are hyper partisans on the right side of the aisle that share that mindset about the Trump investigation. Guess what, you are both wrong -- both Trump and Biden are going to be hurt by what happened in Ukraine.

Regardless, the Senate is going to dig deep into this and no amount of teeth gnashing and garment rending by the Left is going to do anything but make the entire Ukraine situation look like partisan warfare.

#26 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-07 06:41 PM | Reply

but make the entire Ukraine situation look like partisan warfare.

That's what it already looks like.

And I don't agree with your prediction that it will hurt Trump and Biden. The GOP senate is not doing this to get the full truth.

#27 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-07 07:01 PM | Reply

Is the allegation that Biden/Obama/Kerry abused their public office to help Joe Biden's son? If so, then fine, let the chips fall where they may, although it does in fact seem irrelevant when none of them can be removed from the offices they are no longer holding. Can the Senate even censure former members?

Not that the investigation is likely to turn up any such thing (IMO), even though it will be spun that way.

#28 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-11-07 07:13 PM | Reply

The GOP senate is not doing this to get the full truth.

Agreed, but if you believe that is what the House is doing then you have truly swallowed the Kool-Aid.

#29 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-07 07:15 PM | Reply

The GOP senate is not doing this to get the full truth.

#27 | POSTED BY JPW

Is the Dem house doing what they are doing to get the full truth?

s the allegation that Biden/Obama/Kerry abused their public office to help Joe Biden's son? If so, then fine, let the chips fall where they may, although it does in fact seem irrelevant when none of them can be removed from the offices they are no longer holding. Can the Senate even censure former members?

Joe Biden is running for President. Dem voters should actually welcome this. If Biden did something corrupt then it's best to know about it before the primaries start so voters can take it into account.

#30 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-11-07 07:19 PM | Reply

but make the entire Ukraine situation look like partisan warfare.

Trump extorted President Zelenskyy to go before the cameras and lie about opening Ukrainian investigations- "And POTUS wanted nothing less than President Zelensky to go to [a] microphone and say investigations,' Biden,' and Clinton.' "

This wouldn't' be partisan if the republicans weren't low-life POS.

#31 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-07 07:20 PM | Reply

Section 4

The President, Vice President and all Civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

#32 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-07 07:24 PM | Reply

#31

And then Vice President (now POTUS Candidate) Biden extorted Poroshenko to fire the Prosecutor investigating the company that Hunter sat on the Board of, then bragged about it on camera.

You don't have a problem with that?

#33 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-07 07:35 PM | Reply

Why does mark zaid go to disney by himself?

Clownworld and the failed coup attempt. This is getting better each day!

Time to dig up some more goodies for you fine folks here.

Brb

#34 | Posted by mutant at 2019-11-07 07:35 PM | Reply

#33 - reposting just for you RoC - since I've already answered that:

where do you people come from that can't figure out the difference between executing the official policy of the United States for the benefit of the United States, versus a shadow foreign policy being executed to benefit the President personally, and politically, at the expense of the United States? Not to mention Biden didn't withhold military aid Congress provided to fight Russia's invasion of an Ally. The money withheld was loan guarantees. Trump counts on folks not to understand how vastly different these things are, and apparently for some, it works.

Trump's political vendetta and seek for his personal political gain may destroy 30 years of U.S. foreign policy work and goals carried out under both Democrat and Republican administrations.

N'est-ce pas?

#35 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-07 07:39 PM | Reply

"You don't have a problem with that?"

Okay. Impeach Trump, don't vote for Biden. Agreed?

#36 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-07 07:42 PM | Reply

I agree that the Guiliani "shadow" foreign policy is probably the bigger problem but Trump shht the bed and needs to pay the price.

That being said, aid is aid and VP Biden leaned on Poroshenko to stop an investigation into the company that his son was involved in and used foreign aid as the lever. If that is indeed what happened, then Biden similarly needs to be held accountable.

If you can't see that is a problem then I can't help you get past that partisan wall you are hiding behind.

#37 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-07 07:44 PM | Reply

Followup on #33 - and Biden's son. Apparently you're either clueless about that, or lying. In the hope that it's the former, this lays it all out:

www.usatoday.com

Go to the line that starts with "Trump and his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani" and read for the Hunter Biden part if you need it abbreviated.

#38 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-07 07:46 PM | Reply

"You don't have a problem with that?"

You do?
What law was broken, counselor?

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-07 07:47 PM | Reply

#36

Tell me, Donkey Suit Dan, what do we do if Biden is elected POTUS? Ignore this like you so desperately want us to? Or do we immediately start impeachment proceedings against President Biden?

#40 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-07 07:47 PM | Reply

#38 addresses the misconception in "That being said, aid is aid and VP Biden leaned on Poroshenko to stop an investigation into the company that his son was involved in and used foreign aid as the lever. If that is indeed what happened, then Biden similarly needs to be held accountable."

The above statement is simply not true.

#41 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-07 07:47 PM | Reply

Let me rephrase: "If that is indeed what happened" - clearly it was not what happened. As has been testified to repeatedly.

#42 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-07 07:48 PM | Reply

"Biden extorted Poroshenko to fire the Prosecutor investigating the company that Hunter sat on the Board of"

Oh, I think I see the problem now.

You spelled "Benghazi" wrong, in many different ways here.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-07 07:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Followup on #33 - and Biden's son. Apparently you're either clueless about that, or lying."

That is RightOCenter's M.O.

Tell part of the truth, but lie about key facts, and hope it's too subtle for the other right-wingers to notice.

It's basically a cottage industry of Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent, just localized to the DR and presumably his personal life.

The entire right-wing social media landscape is up to their eyeballs in lies, half-truths, and distortions.

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-07 07:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"If that is indeed what happened, then Biden similarly needs to be held accountable."

Okay, hold them both accountable. Impeach Trump, don't vote for Biden. Agreed?

#45 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-07 07:58 PM | Reply

well, Trump didn't do it and Biden did, and bragged about it

#46 | Posted by Maverick at 2019-11-07 08:04 PM | Reply

"Joe Biden is running for President. Dem voters should actually welcome this. If Biden did something corrupt then it's best to know about it before the primaries start so voters can take it into account."

Are you seriously suggesting that it's in the Senate's purview to be investigating/vetting Presidential candidates? You might want to reconsider that.

#47 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-11-07 08:10 PM | Reply

What exactly is Joe Biden accused of doing? This?

www.usatoday.com

So somehow he got "European diplomats, the International Monetary Fund and other international organizations" to go along with his conspiracy? Wake me when there's a there there.

#48 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-11-07 08:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

well, Trump didn't do it and Biden did, and bragged about it

Wrong. See #38. Read.

#49 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-07 08:17 PM | Reply

#48 - Exactly, Sentinel. Thank you for reading. Seriously.

#50 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-07 08:18 PM | Reply

#50 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2019-11-07 08:18 PM

Wow. I have to admit that I didn't even realize that you had already posted that link twice. I was just dipping in and out of this thread and trying to figure out what the allegation was with full context when I came across it myself.

#51 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-11-07 08:26 PM | Reply

"Ignore this like you so desperately want us to?"

Why not? You all are good at ignoring criminal activity now. In fact you are professionals at it.

"Trump didn't do it and Biden did, and bragged about it

#46 | POSTED BY MAVERICK"

Does it hurt to be this retarded? How do you do it?? Do you live in a cave? How do you hide from the facts so well? Is that you truly believe that only DJT is telling you the truth?

How many lies does it take for you to understand that Humpy is a liar and you have been had.

Obviously 13,000l plus lies is not enough. Which is kinda weird because it only took one for you call Obama a liar.

#52 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-11-07 08:26 PM | Reply

Second source:

Here is what Joe Biden actually did in Ukraine

Current and former U.S. and Ukrainian officials say Burisma had been under scrutiny for alleged improper acquisition of licenses, a probe unrelated to Hunter Biden's position on the board. The investigation went dormant, they said, before Biden and a group of U.S. allies pushed for Shokin's ouster in 2015, arguing he was turning a blind eye to corruption.

In December 2015, Biden gave an impassioned address to the Rada, the parliament, to condemn the scourge of corruption and demand reform of the prosecutor general's office. "The parliament exploded in applause," Boryslav Bereza, who was present, recalled this week. "Even those who were corrupt as hell, they were electrified and sincere in their applause."

Biden "was like the big brother coming to tell the little brother what to do " a recommendation that you can't ignore," Bereza said.

The vice president had planned to announce $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees for Ukraine. But en route to Kyiv on Air Force Two, Biden changed his mind.

Poroshenko was dragging his feet building the institutions needed to take on corruption, aides said. Biden and his staff rewrote the speech, removing the loan guarantees.

In Kyiv, Biden privately informed Poroshenko of the decision and the demand: Fire Shokin, or you lose the loan guarantees.

"Poroshenko was clearly disappointed," said Colin Kahl, Biden's national security advisor at the time.

In an interview, Poroshenko recalled "heated" but cordial discussions with Biden.

He said the loan guarantees were contingent on meeting International Monetary Fund benchmarks, including replacing the prosecutor general. Biden was not alone in his demands, Poroshenko said.

"Pressure on us came from everywhere: the activists, political forces, embassies, international organizations," he said, adding that the names of Hunter Biden and Burisma never came up.

#53 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-11-07 08:31 PM | Reply

We are all about to get a very public lesson in how the sausage is made.

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter

We already got that lesson - the sausage knows he can't win an election legally, so he gets help from foreign countries.

#54 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-11-07 08:34 PM | Reply

"I was just dipping in and out of this thread and trying to figure out what the allegation was with full context when I came across it myself.
#51 | POSTED BY SENTINEL"

Taking a well-deserved break from all those Swastikas you've been rehabilitating.
It's hard werk!

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-07 08:35 PM | Reply

Perspectives can change. People can grow. Views evolve.

#56 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-07 09:08 PM | Reply

The stupid is strong with the GOP these days. It is wild how many facts they ignore, gloss over, or outright lie about. It's maddening dealing with the misinformation. The GOP has taken a page out of Trump's playbook. Throw out so much -------- it is impossible for anyone to keep track and refute. The evolution of Trump's impeachment defense is probably the easiest for the general public to understand. Hopefully the media will continue refuting the lies and run a play-by-play as the impeachment of Trump, Pence, Barr, and others rolls forward.

#57 | Posted by gavaster at 2019-11-07 09:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Agreed, but if you believe that is what the House is doing then you have truly swallowed the Kool-Aid.

#29 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

So you think the Dems are just playing politics?

#58 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-07 11:00 PM | Reply

Sounds like you've finally been able to put Benghazi behind you?
Congratulations on your recovery!

#6 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I have not recovered. This can't be over!!

We have not investigated the investigators yet.

We must investigate the investigators of that investigation until we can uninvestigate this investigation Of the Previous investigation. As is the new norm in investigating.

#59 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-11-07 11:23 PM | Reply

Those Cons will retaliate like the criminals they are. They know they're f'd and are hitting the suicide vest option.

#60 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-11-07 11:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Democrats should take off the kid gloves and start asking themselves "WWMD"...What Would Mitch Do?

House Dems should invoke the Chicago option, and subpoena multiple Trump kids. And Elizabeth Warren should publicly ask Iran to hack Saudi Arabia emails to get info on Jared's business dealings.

#61 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-07 11:39 PM | Reply

#58

"So, do you think that Mom and Dad are lying about Santa?"

Your naivete would be cute if it wasn't so pathetic.

#62 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-08 12:33 AM | Reply

If biden was photographed rubbing on a young girl in his underwear, it wouldn't matter to the dems. This Ukrainian debacle is nothing.
Unless the focus was on a Conservative.

#63 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-11-08 08:45 AM | Reply

#63

Reject Trump or shut up about other people.

#64 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-08 08:55 AM | Reply

#63

Here, I'll make it easy for you. State to the world Trump was a dishonest bastard for stealing from that charity.

You can't do that, your new found moral boundaries have no meaning.

#65 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-08 09:00 AM | Reply

Wow, Zed's panic is palpable.

#13 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Yes. I am panicking too. Super scared. Terrified. This is going to hurt the Dems sooo badly.

That briar patch looks so uncomfortable. And prickly. Please, please, PLEASE don't throw me in.

Hahhahahahahahahaha

Soooo, RoC... when should we expect the full Senate vote authorizing this investigation? I mean, the House had a full vote authorizing an investigation into Trump. It seems only FAIR (and complying with "due process") to require the SAME THING for a house of Congress to investigate a presidential candidate.

And, it has been pretty clearly established that until that happens, subpoenas do not have to be complied with. And even then... if no Democrats join in on the vote then it is clearly an "illegitimate investigation" so subpoenas STILL don't have to be complied with. Right?

Now... the Senate does not have the power to just investigate people. It has to be for a "legitimate legislative purpose". So, what again would be that purpose?

Oh yeah... the kids of high ranking officials using their parent's position for personal gain, as well as potential corruption associated with that. And then creating legislation to prevent that. I can think of no OTHER valid "legislative purpose" to this investigation. Can you?

Well, if that is the case... Here is a subpoena for Ivanka. Here is a subpoena for Eric. Here is a subpoena for Trump Jr.

Do you think that the minority party won't have the power to subpoena witnesses? Dems gave that power to Republicans for impeachment. You think Dems won't scream and whine about "due process" and "ability to defend yourself"? They have a perfect example to follow with the Repubs. And, they have TONS of statements from Repubs saying how ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY it is.

But, in the end, while it will be fun to see all the legal wrangling and appeals to hypocrisy, I don't think it matters which way it runs. Either Joe Biden did something wrong (almost no chance at this point because Republicans have been picking that situation over with a fine-toothed comb for months and still no evidence of wrongdoing has surfaced). In that case Dems will vote for Warren as their nominee and move on (and show themselves to be morally superior to Republicans - vis a vis Trump).

Or, no evidence of wrongdoing will come out and it will be seen as a political attack by Republicans against a presidential candidate. The conventional wisdom is that unless there is a strong case of wrongdoing against a President for impeachment, the impeachment will rebound politically on the ones pushing it. The GOP is basically trying to open an "impeachment investigation" into Joe Biden when he is a presidential candidate. Now, maybe it won't carry over like I expect, but I think it is VERY LIKELY the general public will see this for what it is and punish the GOP Senators for it if they actually follow through (witnesses, subpoenas, public hearings).

But, they have to "follow through" for there to be any potential of significant damage to "the Bidens or John Kerry".

* opens another bag of popcorn *

Bring ... it ... on ...

:)

#66 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-11-08 09:10 AM | Reply

Your naivete would be cute if it wasn't so pathetic.

#62 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

"Playing politics" to me means there is spin and playing up stuff that's nothing when not viewed in a partisan way.

Is that what you're saying the Dems are doing? That objectively, Trump's behavior doesn't warrant investigation or impeachment?

#67 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-08 09:38 AM | Reply

Here, I'll make it easy for you. State to the world Trump was a dishonest bastard for stealing from that charity.
You can't do that, your new found moral boundaries have no meaning.

#65 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-11-08 09:00 AM | FLAG:

Ever heard of the Clinton Foundation?

#68 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-11-08 09:51 AM | Reply

Ever heard of the Clinton Foundation?

#68 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-11-08 09

This is the best you can do?

#69 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-08 09:55 AM | Reply

Ever heard of the Clinton Foundation?

#68 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-11-08 09

Your president just got caught in major theft. Any thoughts?

#70 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-08 09:56 AM | Reply

Is that what you're saying the Dems are doing? That objectively, Trump's behavior doesn't warrant investigation or impeachment?

#67 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-11-08 09:38 AM | FLAG:

Which is what your side has been doing for 3 years with no luck. An investigation into one of your own and all of a sudden you freak out. As you have said for three years, if Biden did nothing wrong than you should welcome the investigation. Plus Hunter is a complete dope, not to even go into the crack pipe he left in the rental car with his id next to it he goes on national tv and admits that he would not have got the job on the board if his name wasn't Biden. So why would did he get the job?

#71 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-11-08 09:57 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Thoughts...Is that a bridge too far?

#72 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-08 09:57 AM | Reply

#68 | Posted by fishpaw at

Does Donald Trump owe that two million to charity? Or would you say the judge in this case is a Never Trumper?

#73 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-08 09:59 AM | Reply

Your president just got caught in major theft. Any thoughts?

#70 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-11-08 09:56 AM | REPLY | FLAG

Just wait for the Durham report if you want to see major. Chuck Todd even said yesterday if it is true it will be the biggest corruption story this country has ever seen.

#74 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-11-08 09:59 AM | Reply

I'm sorry...It seems I keep adding bridges.

#75 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-08 09:59 AM | Reply

Does Donald Trump owe that two million to charity? Or would you say the judge in this case is a Never Trumper?

#73 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-11-08 09:59 AM | FLAG:

If he does than he needs to pay it just like Obama did for his campaign finance violations.

#76 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-11-08 10:01 AM | Reply

Just wait for the Durham report if you want to see major.

#74 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-11-08 09

Do all clairvoyants support Trump?

You must be doing well to think Trump stealing two million from needy people is chickenfeed.

#77 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-08 10:03 AM | Reply

If he does than he (Trump) needs to pay it just like Obama did for his campaign finance violations.

#76 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-11-0

He's been ordered to pay it, after saying that it was a political hit job and he'd never pay it.

Perhaps he won't pay it still. We've been waiting for him to defy a Court Order.

#78 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-08 10:05 AM | Reply

Just wait for the Durham report if you want to see major.

#74 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

NOTHINGBURGER!!!

(conservatives... am I doing this right???)

#79 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-11-08 10:05 AM | Reply

#79 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2

It's pronounced "nuffinberder".

#80 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-08 10:09 AM | Reply

#80 | POSTED BY ZED

My bad. I will try to do better in the future.

#81 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-11-08 10:10 AM | Reply

Reject Trump or shut up about other people.
#64 | Posted by Zed

Reject the entire D-rat clown car or shut up and sit the hell down.

#82 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-11-08 10:56 AM | Reply

"If biden was photographed rubbing on a young girl in his underwear, it wouldn't matter to the dems."

Where do you have any room to talk? You support the guy who admits to grabbing women in the crotch.

Do you realize the volume of cognitive dissonance it takes to call someone out for what you're doing in a much worse way?

#83 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-08 11:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3


#82 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-11-08 10:56

As always, that you'll continue to support a man who literally steals from veterans and kids with cancer, is your business.

But if you were hoping for a merit badge, I think it would just be better if you quit Scouting.

#84 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-08 11:05 AM | Reply

My bad. I will try to do better in the future.

#81 | Posted by gtbritishskull

Your spelling was fine. I was just pointing out how they say it in Alabama.

#85 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-08 11:06 AM | Reply

Think of it: to be a better man from Trump you just have to refrain from abusing sick children and bereaved military families.

#86 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-08 11:08 AM | Reply

"Where do you have any room to talk? You support the guy who admits to grabbing women in the crotch."

Because of some locker room talk BS, Plugs gets a homer clad grope pass?? Yikes we really are screwed.

#87 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-11-08 11:10 AM | Reply

"Because of some locker room talk"

No, because of two dozen credible accusations. Try getting your head out of your --- sometimes.

"Plugs gets a homer clad grope pass?"

After you gave Trump an all-crimes pass? GMAFB.

#88 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-08 11:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Because of some locker room talk

#87 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

That locker room looked a lo9t like a bus.

Any thoughts on Donald cheating on his pregnant wife and then paying off a porn star?

Thoughts? Again, a bridge too far?

#89 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-08 11:12 AM | Reply

I'm with DANFORTH....Why do you even try to impugn the behavior and morals of Donald Trump when IT'S DONALD FREAKING TRUMP.

Just go ahead and admit you don't care what kind of a wretch he is.

#90 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-08 11:14 AM | Reply

"That locker room looked a lot like a bus"

The worst part of that was not because Donald bragged about grabbing things, but that he was proud he hit on married women.

Prior to 2016, Republicans thought that inappropriate touching and adultery were horrible things, just horrible. In excusable, in fact.

All it took for them to change their minds was....What? You tell me. I have mu own ideas I'm glad to share.

#91 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-08 11:17 AM | Reply

Should say: "Why do you even try to impugn the behavior and morals of anyone else when IT'S DONALD FREAKING TRUMP"

Sorry for the confusion. Maybe I'll go out and grab the private parts of a married woman to make myself feel better.

#92 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-08 11:20 AM | Reply

Ok now TDS maniacs, if Trump is all that bad, why is the dnc pulling out all the stops to impeach? If he's all that bad, why not wait one year for the election? Or aren't you so sure he will lose?
And now praize GAWD, we have mr bloomberg who is rushing in with cape to save the day!
Just when we didn't think this could get anymore pathetic.

#93 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-11-08 11:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

. Maybe I'll go out and grab the private parts of a married woman to make myself feel better.
#92 | Posted by Zed

Thanks for admitting you are thinking about it.

#94 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-11-08 11:24 AM | Reply

Thanks for admitting you are thinking about it.

#94 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at

That's what you've got?

#95 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-08 11:28 AM | Reply

#94 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at

Answer a sincere question: When you Hills Have Eyes Trump People get together, what words do you use to describe Donald Trump?

#96 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-08 11:29 AM | Reply

"if Trump is all that bad, why is the dnc pulling out all the stops to impeach"

Because he's that bad. Next.

#97 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-08 11:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"That's what you've got?
#95 | Posted by Zed"

You said it. Or were you just kidding? Ya know... Like locker room talk?

#98 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-11-08 11:31 AM | Reply

Since all the Trump cultists are hiding from the thread about Trump's charity being shut down and liquidated under court supervision, with specific admissions by Trump that he scammed the charity to the tune of millions and basically used it as his personal and campaign ATM, i'll be directing them to this very riveting story.

drudge.com

Reminder that the Clinton Foundation has a 4-star, 92.40 rating from Charity Navigator and that it has not been shut down or court ordered to liquidate after findings of illegal activity like the Trump Foundation.

#99 | Posted by JOE at 2019-11-08 11:33 AM | Reply

"Because he's that bad. Next.
#97 | Posted by Zed"

Again... If he's really that bad, he should be easily defeated. What are you worrying about? Next

#100 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-11-08 11:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You said it. Or were you just kidding?

#98 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-

I have no desire to be disloyal to my wife and the mother of my children.

You'll note some essential difference there between me and Donald, won't you?

#101 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-08 11:33 AM | Reply

What are you worrying about?

#100 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-11-08 11:33 AM | Reply | Flag

That evil people have this idea they're somehow entitled to stay in office for four years.

Donald Trump deserves nothing, much less a full four years as president.

#102 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-08 11:36 AM | Reply

"That evil people have this idea they're somehow entitled to stay in office for four years."

So you ARE worried that he might win again?!

#103 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-11-08 11:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Answer a sincere question: When you Hills Have Eyes Trump People get together, what words do you use to describe Donald Trump?

#104 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-08 11:37 AM | Reply

So you ARE worried that he might win again?!

#103 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-11

PHESTER, we both know that as long as Trump has people like you and has his habit of lying and cheating that he has a chance to win again.

I'm not sure what point you're making here. Bad things happen to good people. In 2016 they happened to the United States.

#105 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-08 11:40 AM | Reply

So, when vanquishing the vampire it's best to put a stake through his heart AND cut off his head.

I hope this explains the impeachment/2020 pairing.

#106 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-08 11:41 AM | Reply

"You'll note some essential difference there between me and Donald, won't you?

#101 | Posted by Zed "

Of course. I'm pulling your leg ZED. I hope you know that.

#107 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-11-08 11:41 AM | Reply

"I'm not sure what point you're making here.
#105 | Posted by Zed"

How about running someone worthwhile that can actually defeat the Donald?
But maybe the so called "good" politicians are afraid to run after watching the dozens of "extry speshul" investigations that Trump has gone thru.
So we get the same old "vote for the lesser of the 2 evils"

#108 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-11-08 11:45 AM | Reply

I'm not sure what point you're making here. Bad things happen to good people. In 2016 they happened to the United States.
#105 | POSTED BY ZED

Try to look at the bright side, Zed. It could have been worse if Hillary won.

#109 | Posted by Ray at 2019-11-08 11:46 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Of course. I'm pulling your leg ZED. I hope you know that.
#107 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

These people don't joke ....

That should be your first sign.

#110 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-08 11:48 AM | Reply

These people don't joke ....
That should be your first sign.
#110 | Posted by AndreaMackris

I see that full panic mode theys in. I'm trying to lighten things up some. I fear the tall building leaps next year when Trump wins again.

#111 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-11-08 11:51 AM | Reply

Does this mean that Pizzagate is over?

#112 | Posted by danni at 2019-11-08 11:53 AM | Reply

"Prior to 2016, Republicans thought that inappropriate touching and adultery were horrible things, just horrible. In excusable, in fact."

You guys have really gotten lost down the rabbit hole here. "Your party is hypocrites." "Ner ner, your party is more hypocrite." Blah blah blah. It's always been the case that partisans act outraged at the other side's behavior while excusing it on their own as long as possible.

#113 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-11-08 11:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#99 Joe,

Early into his presidency I said it was highly doubtful Mueller would bring him down. What I said would most likely be his downfall is the exposure of all of his grift.

#114 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-11-08 11:56 AM | Reply

--These people don't joke ....

Leftists have all the sense of humor as a party apparatchik.

www.youtube.com

#115 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-08 12:00 PM | Reply

"Ok now TDS maniacs, if Trump is all that bad, why is the dnc pulling out all the stops to impeach? If he's all that bad, why not wait one year for the election? Or aren't you so sure he will lose?
And now praize GAWD, we have mr bloomberg who is rushing in with cape to save the day!
Just when we didn't think this could get anymore pathetic."

For the first time in a few years, I came across Rush Limbaugh's program while listening to my car radio. He sounded very bitter and dejected. Your paragraph reminds me of his speech pattern. Yes, this place is filled with TDS maniacs. Watching people getting into pissing matches with them is as sad as watching them getting into pissing matches with every random Trump tweet.

#116 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-11-08 12:01 PM | Reply

#71 | Posted by fishpaw

Funny, I don't recall asking what the lying sack of schit gallery thought...

Do me a favor, don't respond to my posts. You add nothing but dishonesty and duplicity to every thread you touch.

#117 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-08 12:04 PM | Reply

Ok now TDS maniacs, if Trump is all that bad, why is the dnc pulling out all the stops to impeach? If he's all that bad, why not wait one year for the election?

#93 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

If you really think this is a profound, gotcha type question you're even stupider than I thought.

God damn you righties just can't help but lower the bar every time you open your mouths.

#118 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-08 12:06 PM | Reply

Ok now TDS maniacs, if Trump is all that bad, why is the dnc pulling out all the stops to impeach? If he's all that bad, why not wait one year for the election? Or aren't you so sure he will lose?

#93 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

If Trump is so sure that he is going to win, why was he trying to put his finger on the scale and try to have a foreign government influence the election for him?

Our representatives have a CONSTITUTIONAL RESPONSIBILITY to checks and balances, oversight of the executive branch. And, if executive branch malfeasance reaches the threshold of "High crimes and misdemeanors", they have a CONSTITUTIONAL RESPONSIBILITY to impeach and/or remove the offending officials. Because if you don't it sets the precedent that behavior is acceptable.

Now, as a conservative, you probably do not understand the concept of having a responsibility you feel you need to discharge even if it is not in your immediate best interest. Let me assure you it is there. If you don't want to take it from me, go find someone with morals and ethics and ask them (avoid anyone who is conservative, because it seems they no longer have either).

And let me be clear... I think impeachment is a high risk for very little reward. I think it is likely that Dems had a better chance of voting Trump from office before it became public that he was abusing his power. And if he is removed (which I think is very unlikely), then it would only be, at most, a few months before the election anyways (so, limited benefit). But, I expect MORE from my politicians than just "get more politicians of my ideology elected". I expect good governance and for them to set good precedents that set the country up to do BETTER in the future. (Again, concepts that you probably cannot comprehend... take my word for it that they exist.) So, I approve of impeachment even though, from a purely political standpoint, I think it is probably not worth it.

#119 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-11-08 12:06 PM | Reply

What I said would most likely be his downfall is the exposure of all of his grift

Not sure i agree with this. Do you think his levels of support will even be impacted by the revelation that he ran a scam charity for purposes of self-enrichment to the tune of millions at the expense of those he was supposed to be helping? That he literally admitted to a host of illegal charity activity and was ordered to shut down and liquidate under court supervision?

His grift is exposed and do umented every day. He responds by lying and lashing out and his supporters love him for it.

#120 | Posted by JOE at 2019-11-08 12:22 PM | Reply

"If Trump is so sure that he is going to win, why was he trying to put his finger on the scale and try to have a foreign government influence the election for him?"

I'm not so sure he even wants to win. However, his continued drive does seem to indicate a great commitment to be President.

Why could he win again? After all the accusations and investigations?
Consider the idea that after 3 years of constant negative press, the white noise is getting ignored.

Every week there is a new Explosive!! expos.
Another Bombshell!!
We are sick of it. Muleman didn't amount to much after being told DAILY to "just you wait!!"
We also know that impeaching and removing Trump will give us Pence.
We also know that the left will claw at his throat next.

Wonder why we are so divided?

#121 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-11-08 12:32 PM | Reply

"Wonder why we are so divided?"

We'll always be divided so long as there are people who would literally never turn on Trump.
What I wonder is why are so many of you like that?

#122 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-08 12:33 PM | Reply

"I'm not so sure he even wants to win."

Oh he doesn't. He just doesn't want to lose.

If the EC doesn't favor him, look Trump to blame everyone but Trump. You included.

#123 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-08 12:41 PM | Reply

Why don't those douchebags ask Pompeo to require State Dept employees who've been subpoenaed to testify that they do so? The firing of Yovanovitch because of Giuliani's 'shadow diplomacy' needs to be investigated by them before they run down this empty hole. Pompeo needs to be investigated too. Especially by an MRI to see if he has a spine.

#124 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-11-08 12:42 PM | Reply

"That locker room looked a lot like a bus"
The worst part of that was not because Donald bragged about grabbing things, but that he was proud he hit on married women.
Prior to 2016, Republicans thought that inappropriate touching and adultery were horrible things, just horrible. In excusable, in fact.
All it took for them to change their minds was....What? You tell me. I have mu own ideas I'm glad to share.

#91 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-11-08 11:17 AM | FLAG:

I thought consentual sex was ok with Liberals? I would also say that they are ok with rape since they don't have a problem with Bubba.

#125 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-11-08 12:54 PM | Reply

"Donald bragged about grabbing things"

"I thought consentual sex was ok with Liberals?"

...

#126 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-08 01:05 PM | Reply

I see that full panic mode theys in. I'm trying to lighten things up some. I fear the tall building leaps next year when Trump wins again.

#111 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE AT 2019-11-08 11:51 AM | FLAG:

He should run on that, it would alliviate alot of this country's problems.

#127 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-11-08 01:06 PM | Reply

"If biden was photographed rubbing on a young girl in his underwear, it wouldn't matter to the dems."

Like that time Al Franken (D) didn't resign for doing something similar...

#128 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-08 01:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If the EC doesn't favor him, look Trump to blame everyone but Trump. You included.

#123 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2019-11-08 12:41 PM | FLAG:

Maybe but it will be tough to beat Hillary's 37 excuses.

#129 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-11-08 01:14 PM | Reply

If the EC doesn't favor him, look Trump to blame everyone but Trump. You included.
#123 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2019-11-08 12:41 PM | FLAG:
Maybe but it will be tough to beat Hillary's 37 excuses.
#129 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

She had two good ones:
1. Russia helped Trump illegally.
2. Comey lied about new emails days before the election.

Both true and probably cost her just enough to lose.

The difference of course is that Hillary won the popular vote. Trump won't.

#130 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-11-08 01:18 PM | Reply

If the EC doesn't favor him, look Trump to blame everyone but Trump. You included.
#123 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

When he does win again look for pencil neck, scummer and puglosi to drag Muleman back.
Scream about everything but refuse to say it like it is.
The dems do not have a viable electable candidate

#131 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-11-08 01:18 PM | Reply

FakeLawyer, Fester's boils, and Fishyp***y are in full panic mode.
Enjoy your impeachment burgers, little men.

#132 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-11-08 01:20 PM | Reply

The worst part of that was not because Donald bragged about grabbing things, but that he was proud he hit on married women.
Prior to 2016, Republicans thought that inappropriate touching and adultery were horrible things, just horrible. In excusable, in fact.
All it took for them to change their minds was....What? You tell me. I have mu own ideas I'm glad to share.
#91 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-11-08 11:17 AM | FLAG:
I thought consentual sex was ok with Liberals?
#125 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Only in Republican-Land is grabbing a woman without her consent considered Consensual if you are rich.

"Consentual"
It's so bad you can't even spell the word right.

#133 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-11-08 01:20 PM | Reply

The dems do not have a viable electable candidate

#131 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

The polls seem to say otherwise.

I think even Hillary could beat Trump right now.

#134 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-11-08 01:21 PM | Reply

"The polls seem to say otherwise.
I think even Hillary could beat Trump right now.
#134 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT"

Yes the Hillary/Trump polls.
Bwahahaha

#135 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-11-08 01:30 PM | Reply

That is sooooo 2016 stupid!

#136 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-11-08 01:47 PM | Reply

" What I said would most likely be his downfall is the exposure of all of his grift."

Yet you still don't personally see any grift that warrants impeachment... in fact you can't even imagine what such a grift might be!

#137 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-08 02:51 PM | Reply

She had two good ones:
1. Russia helped Trump illegally.
2. Comey lied about new emails days before the election.
Both true and probably cost her just enough to lose.
The difference of course is that Hillary won the popular vote. Trump won't.

#130 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2019-11-08 01:18 PM | FLAG:

1.Oh great, so Mueller changed his report?
2.Comey is a liar? Did he lie about the dossier?
Go ahead and strategize to win the popular vote, win it and then cry because the EC determines who wins the election.....dope.

#138 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-11-08 02:51 PM | Reply

FakeLawyer, Fester's boils, and Fishyp***y are in full panic mode.
Enjoy your impeachment burgers, little men.

#132 | POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON AT 2019-11-08 01:20 PM | FLAG:

We will enjoy the imeachment burgers, you enjoy the re-election burgers

#139 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-11-08 02:55 PM | Reply

impeachment

#140 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-11-08 03:01 PM | Reply

"Consentual"
It's so bad you can't even spell the word right.

#133 | Posted by Sycophant

Consentual sex.

Looks like that idiot just coined a new phrase.

#141 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-08 03:51 PM | Reply

The dems do not have a viable electable candidate

#131 | POSTED BY comrade festers boils

That's coming from a guy that thinks his Orange Fuhrer is electable in 2020.
Your analysis is severely and fatally flawed.

#142 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-11-08 03:52 PM | Reply

1.Oh great, so Mueller changed his report?

The Mueller report states that Russia interfered in the 2016 election in favor of Trump.

But you knew that, didn't you, liar?

#143 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-08 03:52 PM | Reply

"Consentual"
It's so bad you can't even spell the word right.

#133 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

It's kind of a funny word. It derives from consent. But, put the con in front of it and it becomes con-sensual.

#144 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-11-08 05:02 PM | Reply

She had two good ones:
1. Russia helped Trump illegally.
2. Comey lied about new emails days before the election.
Both true and probably cost her just enough to lose.
The difference of course is that Hillary won the popular vote. Trump won't.
#130 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2019-11-08 01:18 PM | FLAG:

1.Oh great, so Mueller changed his report?
2.Comey is a liar? Did he lie about the dossier?
Go ahead and strategize to win the popular vote, win it and then cry because the EC determines who wins the election.....dope.
#138 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

1. That's literally what his report said. "Russia helped Trump. But insufficient evidence of Collusion with Trump."
2. Comey lied about the Hillary emails. The DOJ admitted it.

You would know all of this if you watched anything but Fox. And I mean LITERALLY anything.

#145 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-11-08 05:54 PM | Reply

Ciaramella, Schiff and the Bidens will be called to testify in the senate. Who gives an f what the House does between now and then? Impeachment is a fore gone conclusion. This is gonna hurt. Buckle up buckaroos.

#146 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2019-11-08 10:13 PM | Reply

#146 - LMAO!

You're an idiot.

#147 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-08 10:27 PM | Reply

Will Schiff testify in the House? He's on the R's list but will he allow it?

#148 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2019-11-08 11:20 PM | Reply

Bring it on. I've got popcorn and I would love to see anyone that is dirty get taken down. Can you say the same?

#3 | Posted by justagirl_idaho

Let's Netflix and *chill* bb.

#149 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-11-09 02:24 AM | Reply

Conscentual sex.
Looks like that idiot just coined a new phrase.
#141 | Posted by jpw

*Smells* fine to me.

#150 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-11-09 02:26 AM | Reply

You'll note some essential difference there between me and Donald, won't you?
#101 | Posted by Zed

You're a loser?

#151 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-11-09 02:29 AM | Reply

You're a loser?

#151 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

He said differences --------.

#152 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-09 04:30 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Wrong. Schiff isn't on the R's "list." Schiff received a letter from Nunes asking him to answer questions.
The Republicans issued no subpoena, and today's the last day they can do it under their rules.
Nunes just jumped up and down to make you happy. All bluster. Nothing.

Also Nunes requested Schiff do this behind closed doors.
Closed doors?
The same closed doors the Republicans were so upset about?
The ones they juvenilely went through and ordered pizza?

Republicans are one huge joke. A big f**king joke, at America's expense. And Nunes is the king of the clowns.

BTW - there's absolutely no evidence that of Ukraine's involvement in our elections.
There are 6 witnesses to Trump Admin's bribery of the Ukraine President, Zelenskyy.
All have testified. Under oath.

The republicans on the committees have had their asses handed to them, too, which is why the only option they have now is crap like you're trying to sell. Have you read any of the transcripts? They're actually full transcripts, not "minutes" like Trump's "perfect" call.

How embarrassing.

#153 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-09 09:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Looks like a lot of Deplorable Desperation on this thread.

Your stupid is about to take our country thru the impeachment mirror.

Could not happen to a more evil guy. Or a more ignorant party.

Enjoy your giant impeachment Humpy and the Deplorables.

You all sure earned it.

#154 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-11-09 11:32 AM | Reply

Though Schiff is only being asked to do closed door testimony, he also may qualify under #9 as one of the others who aided the whistleblower in preparation of his complaint. 3 out of 4 ain't too bad. None of those three will be required to testify anyway before House Committees. The Senate Trial will be able to explore their testimony. Hey maybe Joe will be invited back to say "hey".

Here's the letter requesting witnesses: www.scribd.com

#155 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2019-11-09 11:44 AM | Reply

Thanks for catching up, finally.
I've read the letter.
I'm ahead of you on this.
That should have been obvious from #153.
You go hang your argument on "If's."
You've shown no basis for subpoenaing Ciaramella.
None. It's a right-wing wet dream that wouldn't mean a thing even if you did.
We already have the evidence. There's no point except to scare off others and destroy him.
You don't' even know if he's who you think he is.
Bidens? If you do go after Biden, it's a big win for him, and you'll only strengthen him.

Personally, I'm loving this. The Republican party is imploding. Trump is destroying you.

I used to want a strong and loyal opposition party, but the GOP hasn't been that in quite a while.
There's no need for what they currently have become. None.

#156 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-09 12:04 PM | Reply

Good! We should be weeding out corruption where ever we can.

..Although that's certainly not the motive of the GOP. For them, this is purely political.

#157 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2019-11-09 01:21 PM | Reply

Oh - and this is an Impeachment hearing on Donald J. Trump.

Hunter Biden has absolutely nothing to do with it, nor does anything he did have anything to do with it. I'm assuming Schiff won't allow nonsensical calls for irrelevant witnesses that aren't germane to what is being investigated all because some dumbasses want to show fealty to Trump by supporting a ridiculous conspiracy theory.

#158 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-09 01:27 PM | Reply

It's a fairly thoughtful list to figure out if Ukraine corruption existed and if it was being investigated and eradicated. Was the US just sending good money after bad? What was the extent that Ukraine interfered with the 2016 election and who facilitated it and benefited from it?

I doubt Schiff will call most of these witnesses anyway. I haven't seen the Democrats list yet.

#159 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2019-11-09 01:32 PM | Reply

What was the extent that Ukraine interfered with the 2016 election and who facilitated it and benefited from it?

What is the extent to which you believe conspiracy theories made up by the major players in the Trump-Ukraine scandal to try and smear the Dems?

#160 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-09 01:51 PM | Reply

We already have the evidence. There's no point except to scare off others

It's funny how you think that there is no need for more testimony, any witness the Minority wants to call is irrelevant and that Majority only get to call "their" witnesses.

Trials only work that way in authoritarian regimes, due process is actually a thing here in the US.

#161 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-09 02:03 PM | Reply

It's garbage in the context of Trump's impeachment investigation. It's an attempt at distraction and deflection. Besides, we already have the Pentagon signing off on the positive growth Ukraine made in rooting out corruption to the point of signing off on that requirement (ending corruption) so they could receive the military aid.

What was the extent that Ukraine interfered with the 2016 election and who facilitated it and benefited from it?

They didn't. This is exactly what I was referring to in #158 as "some dumbasses want to show fealty to Trump by supporting a ridiculous conspiracy theory."

We know exactly where this nonsense came from. From Putin to Kilimnik, Kilimnik to Manafort, from Manafort to Trump. 5 months before the 2016 election.

www.buzzfeednews.com
www.nytimes.com

We also know Stone (Roger) was the contact point for the Trump campaign and Julian Assange - WikiLeaks. Again, we know Russia was at the center of this, not Ukraine.

There is absolutely no evidence that supports the idea that Ukraine was involved in our elections, but there is plenty of evidence that Russia was - from the Mueller report, to the CIA, the FBI, the NSA, and all the supporting evidence like Stone, Gates, Flynn and Manafort's trials.

So I ask again, what possible reason is there for subpoenaing Hunter Biden for this? Are you even aware of when Biden was part of Burisma?

www.usatoday.com

Go to the line that starts with "Trump and his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani" and read for the Hunter Biden part if you need to get to the relevant (to this discussion) part.

#162 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-09 02:06 PM | Reply

#161 - Seriously? Reel it back in with that trolling.

#163 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-09 02:15 PM | Reply

"Trials only work that way in authoritarian regimes"

In that case, Immigration Court is an authoritarian regime.

#MAGA

#164 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-09 02:18 PM | Reply

... conspiracy theories made up by ...

Who is John Solomon?

#165 | Posted by et_al at 2019-11-09 02:21 PM | Reply

"There is absolutely no evidence that supports the idea that Ukraine was involved in our elections, but there is plenty of evidence that Russia was ..."

You know... it is beginning to look like everyone in the world was involved in our elections. Except most of us! The internet made us Americans stupid. Not smart. Half of us cannot tell the real from the unreal.

#166 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-11-09 02:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#163

Hardly, you were the one to say that "we already have the evidence" and the only reason the Minority wants to call witnesses is "to scare off others." How Soviet of you.

Under your ideal system the next step is to send off anyone who doesn't agree with your evidence to the Gulag for a little "reeducation".

There is absolutely no evidence that supports the idea that Ukraine was involved in our elections

Wrong, there is already sworn testimony from other hearings that DNC staffers worked with the Ukrainian Embassy to get "dirt" on the Trump Campaign in 2016 and that the Steele Dossier is based, in part, on information from a former member of the Ukraine Parliament.

#167 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-09 02:33 PM | Reply

No doubt the NY Times will cover this like they did Comrade Stalin's Moscow show trials.

#168 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-09 02:39 PM | Reply

How dramatic, and how uninteresting.
Your projection and gaslighting get a big FAIL, RoC.

Gaslighting:
They tellblatant lies.
They project.
They tell you everyone else is a liar.
They know confusion weakens people.
They deny they ever said something, even though you have proof.
They wear you down over time.
Their actions do not match their words.
They throw in positive reinforcement to confuse you.
They use what is near and dear to you as ammunition.
They try to align people against you.
They tell you or others that you are crazy.

Tell us all again how you want Trump impeached.

#169 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-09 03:17 PM | Reply

By the way - your comprehension sucks today. Seriously.

#170 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-09 03:19 PM | Reply

I heard Eric Trump is going to take Hunter Biden's spot on the Burisma board. I'm glad that's ok.

#171 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2019-11-09 03:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Nice freak out Yav, care to explain to the class why the Minority shouldn't be allowed to call their own witnesses during the Impeachment Inquiry?

#172 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-09 03:30 PM | Reply

Dossier is based, in part, on information from a former member of the Ukraine Parliament.

#167 | Posted by Rightocenter

I see you're playing the Kevin Bacon Ukraine "interference" game.

#173 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-09 03:31 PM | Reply

#173

Yav said that there was "absolutely no evidence that supports supports the idea that Ukraine was involved in our elections" and I was pointing out sworn testimony that suggests otherwise.

And that is part of the focus of the Durham investigation which just elevated to criminal status.

#174 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-09 03:55 PM | Reply

I think they should be able to call relevant witnesses. Biden isn't one. Nor are most on their wish list.

#175 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-09 04:09 PM | Reply

#175

I agree that Ohr and Chalupa are completely irrelevant, but since the Ukraine call is about investigating Hunter Biden his testimony is arguably relevant for the reasons I posted on the GOP witness list thread.

As a former prosecutor Schiff knows that in an ordinary trial Hunter Biden would be required to testify, but since he is the de facto "judge" in this part of the proceeding on evidentiary matters, he will probably not allow his testimony.

#176 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-09 04:22 PM | Reply

Elevated with no explanation.
The GOP loves reading meaning into that, though.

What is the evidence that Ukraine involved themselves in our election?
Lay it out.
Don't blur the lines between a state (Russia) acting in their own interests to directly intervene in and affect our elections with legally paying for opposition research. Don't even try that obfuscation.

#177 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-09 04:25 PM | Reply

You've laid out absolutely no reason for H Biden to be called. None. Not that it matters since this isn't a criminal trial, no matter how much you might like it to be. That happens in the Senate.

#178 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-09 04:26 PM | Reply

Excuse me - clarifying:
This isn't a criminal trial, it's an impeachment investigation.
The trial part of the impeachment happens in the Senate.

#179 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-09 04:27 PM | Reply

Trying to muddy the waters is all.

#180 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-11-09 04:40 PM | Reply

"care to explain to the class why the Minority shouldn't be allowed to call their own witnesses during the Impeachment Inquiry?"

Because this isn't a trial.
Because even if this were a trial "the minority" isn't the one being prosecuted.

You're doing the old lawyer thing of "Never ask a question you don't already know the answer to."

It's disingenuous.
You're disingenuous.

#181 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-09 05:00 PM | Reply

All the extraneous Trump stuff goes to his "intent" which matters here for impeachment anyway. If there was no corruption dating back to 2015 and beyond, the truth will set you free. Let's hear it or just enjoy the partisan hit job.

#182 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2019-11-09 06:22 PM | Reply

Best to impeach him quick then.

#183 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-11-09 07:26 PM | Reply

I am still not seeing how Hunter Biden's corruption exonerated Trump.

Has this ever been explained?

#184 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-09 10:41 PM | Reply

***crickets***

#185 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-09 10:44 PM | Reply

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