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Friday, November 08, 2019

Democrats in the country's most pivotal general election battlegrounds prefer a moderate presidential nominee who would seek common ground with Republicans rather than pursue an ambitious, progressive agenda, according to a New York Times/Siena College poll of primary voters across six states.

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The people are speaking. Is anybody listening?

#1 | Posted by 6thPersona at 2019-11-08 06:40 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

From the article ...

Would you prefer a candidate who would ...

-- promise to find common ground with Republicans = 62%

-- promise to fight for a bold progressive agenda = 33%

-- be more moderate than most Dems = 55%

-- be more liberal than most Democrats = 39%

-- promise to bring politics in Washington back to normal = 49%

-- promise to bring fundamental, systematic change to American society = 45%


Those are about as vanilla and milquetoast type survey questions as possible.

Then the NYT slaps a headline that saying Democrats want moderates, and nobody buys this corporate bought "centrism" garbage anymore -- well, except for corporate bought Democratic Party Establishment hacks who don't want change, they eat this crap up.

#2 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-11-08 08:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Here is what people want ...

www.salon.com

Allow Government to Negotiate Drug Prices (79%)
Give Students the Same Low Interest Rates as Big Banks (78%)
Universal Pre-Kindergarten (77%)
Fair Trade that Protect Workers, the Environment, and Jobs (75%)
End Tax Loopholes for Corporations that Ship Jobs Overseas (74%)
End Gerrymandering (73%)
Let Homeowners Pay Down Mortgage With 401k (72%)
Debt-Free College at All Public Universities (Message A) (71%)
Infrastructure Jobs Program -- $400 Billion / Year (71%)
Require NSA to Get Warrants (71%)
Disclose Corporate Spending on Politics/Lobbying (71%)
Medicare Buy-In for All (71%)
Close Offshore Corporate Tax Loopholes (70%)
Green New Deal -- Millions Of Clean-Energy Jobs (70%)
Full Employment Act (70%)
Expand Social Security Benefits (70%)

All of the above are in line with Bernie Sanders' politics and all are extremely popular, with support across the political spectrum.


The above issues, if advocated for and backed up with legislation, would win elections after elections -- but the Republicans will NEVER enact policies that their right-wing Plutocrat campaign donors vehemently oppose ...

And the above issues are not championed by rich Democratic Party donors because they are just as conservative on raw economic issues and oppose anything supporting organized labor as their GOP Plutocrat peers do ...

The take away?

Majorities of ordinary Americans wanting specific issues make those issues moderate and "centrist", but ordinary Americans don't get much of anything that improves their lives because American politics is corrupt and dysfunctional.

#3 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-11-08 08:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

"The people are speaking. Is anybody listening?"

They believe their power is much greater only because of the Electoral College. They don't represent the majority of Americans. Abolish the EC, once and for all. One man, one vote.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2019-11-08 09:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#2 Donald Trump thanks you in advance for his re-election.

#5 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-08 09:35 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Donald Trump thanks you in advance for his re-election.

#5 | POSTED BY JPW

If Democrats can't beat Trump it's because Democrats are offering what bipartisan majorities want that will improve their lives.

You voting for corporate Democrats elects right-wing demagogues like Trump.

You need to pull your head out of your own ass.

#6 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-11-08 10:23 AM | Reply

If Democrats can't beat Trump it's because Democrats are NOT offering what bipartisan majorities want that will improve their lives.

#7 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-11-08 10:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

They'll get an extremist an like it!
~ DNC

#8 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-08 10:43 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Donald Trump thanks you in advance for his re-election.

Trump isn't a moderate. He's an alt-right sex offender. If people who want a "moderate" forego a leftist in favor of Trump then they were lying about wanting a moderate in the first place.

#9 | Posted by JOE at 2019-11-08 12:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

If Democrats can't beat Trump it's because Democrats are offering what bipartisan majorities want that will improve their lives.

You keep stating this as if people's voting behavior = polling answers.

They. Do. Not. Match.

Period. End of conversation.

You need to stop thinking about the end without considering the means. You're never going to those things by running on them balls to the wall. It's simply not going to happen, definitely not with the current crop of Dems who think they can fund everything without raising taxes one bit on 90% of the population and are therefore not honest about what the policies mean.

The path that has worked is similar to the ACA. Let people experience it and they love it. Sell it to them in a theoretical and they'll deride it as "soshulizm".

You need to pull your head out of your own ass.

#6 | Posted by PinchALoaf

LOL you've become as unaware as your average righty.

#10 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-08 12:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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If people who want a "moderate" forego a leftist in favor of Trump then they were lying about wanting a moderate in the first place.

#9 | Posted by JOE

If voting were mandatory you'd have a point.

For many, disgust is shown by simply staying home or voting third party/write in.

Relying on Trump being bad is a poor poor poor election strategy.

#11 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-08 12:20 PM | Reply

Relying on Trump being bad is a poor poor poor election strategy.

That's not what i'm doing. I'm saying that if someone is okay with either voting for Trump, or shrugging their shoulders and deciding they don't care whether he is the president or not, then "moderate" is not a very important attribute to them.

#12 | Posted by JOE at 2019-11-08 01:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" -- promise to fight for a bold progressive agenda = 33%"

Only 1 in 3 Democrats want what you want, Pinchaloaf.

Why do you think 1/3 is enough to win, Pinchaloaf?

???

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-08 01:08 PM | Reply

Biden = Centrist

And those are usually the most electable...

I'd wager the non-Bernie candidates will gradually gravitate to the center as well. Bernie's too old to change - wink.

#14 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2019-11-08 03:50 PM | Reply

"I'm saying that if someone is okay with either voting for Trump, or shrugging their shoulders and deciding they don't care whether he is the president or not, then "moderate" is not a very important attribute to them."

You're making an erroneous assumption. When people are presented with two unpalatable choices, many of them will shrug and not care which of them inevitably becomes president. That says nothing about the extremity of their political leanings.

#15 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-11-08 04:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Abolish the EC, once and for all. One man, one vote."

Abolish the United States. That would be so fetch.

#16 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-11-08 05:09 PM | Reply

You keep stating this as if people's voting behavior = polling answers.

They. Do. Not. Match.

Period. End of conversation.

#10 | POSTED BYJPW

You keep repeating that you deny reality. Period. End of conversation.

Independents outnumber either Democrats and Republicans.

And most importantly 100 million people DID NOT vote in 2016.

Maybe people would vote (aka expanding the tent) if one of the two parties STRONGLY advocated for the list of issues in post #3 that have strong bipartisan majorities?

100 million votes waiting to be mined by a major political party -- what are they waiting for?

I'd like to think the Democratic Party might one day realize this.

#17 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-11-08 05:17 PM | Reply

And those are usually the most electable...
#14 | POSTED BY LOSTANGELES

Emphasis on "usually," in that they are far LESS electable when they are labeled the "next in line" candidate, regardless of the moderate stances.

#18 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-11-08 05:21 PM | Reply

Rather than worry about the flyover states, it's more important to rack up the votes in New York and California because that's where the money and people that matter are at.

#19 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-11-08 05:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

The people are speaking. Is anybody listening?
#1 | POSTED BY 6THPERSONA

Nope. Moderation means no ---------. Not interested.

#20 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-11-08 07:46 PM | Reply

"Maybe
#17 | POSTED BYPINCHALOAF"

We need real, proven strategies, not maybes.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-08 07:49 PM | Reply

Democrats in Battleground States Want Moderate, Survey Shows

well, that ship has sailed.....a long time ago

now having stated that, you watch the Poll driven Dems move to the Center to get elected. As usual

#22 | Posted by Maverick at 2019-11-08 08:06 PM | Reply

"Emphasis on "usually," in that they are far LESS electable when they are labeled the "next in line" candidate, regardless of the moderate stances."

I believe this is one of the reasons Biden sat out the 2016 election. This time, Sanders is the one who gets the "next in line" title. Sanders would literally be in the same position Romney was in 2012 if he got the nomination.

#23 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-11-08 08:52 PM | Reply

then "moderate" is not a very important attribute to them.

#12 | Posted by JOE

I don't think moderates step into a voting booth looking to vote like a "moderate".

#24 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-09 01:51 AM | Reply

Maybe people would vote

Maybe?

At least you're getting more honest in your postings in that a Progressive platform amounts to a maybe.

100 million votes waiting to be mined by a major political party -- what are they waiting for?

LOL oh that idealism is still rolling around in there, isn't it?

#25 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-09 02:10 AM | Reply

We need real, proven strategies, not maybes.

#21 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

As usual I have to do everything ...

Electoral history of Franklin D. Roosevelt
en.m.wikipedia.org

Here's a VERY CLEAR snapshot of when Democrats actually controlled Congress ...

Party Control of the Presidency and Congress, 1933-2010
cstl-cla.semo.edu

What was it that had Democrats completing dominating Congress for decade after decade?

Maybe it was the winning policies of FDR?

#26 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-11-09 07:59 AM | Reply

LOL oh that idealism is still rolling around in there, isn't it?

#25 | POSTED BY JPW

You're just like Corky, you need to just go ahead and become a Republican.

#27 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-11-09 08:00 AM | Reply

#26 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF

You know, this has been bothering me for a while. The Republians elevated Reagan to sainthood in the 90's and 00's and it served them well, electorally. When are the Dems going to embrace FDR, the most popular president in modern American history? I don't get it. How did FDR's policies that won 4 presidential elections and super majorities in Congress become anathema to his own party?

Although, I suppose I could wonder the same thing about Lincoln.

#28 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-11-09 11:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You know, this has been bothering me for a while. The Republians elevated Reagan to sainthood in the 90's and 00's and it served them well, electorally.

When are the Dems going to embrace FDR, the most popular president in modern American history? I don't get it.

How did FDR's policies that won 4 presidential elections and super majorities in Congress become anathema to his own party?

#28 | POSTED BY WHODAMAN

I agree with you 100%.

#29 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-11-09 11:21 AM | Reply

Actually, as I think about it, it was WWII that changed everything. It created (necessarily, at the time) the Military Industrial Complex that mobilized American industrial capacity to the war effort. When the war ended, they realized that the money train would end unless they found a new, comparable enemy. Thus the "cold war" and everything since then. They realized, especially after the popular revolt against the Viet Nam War, that they had to get complete control of the reins of government to ensure there would be an endless supply of enemies to fund them. So they invested in "think tanks" and media companies and funded elections, dumbed down pubic education to eliminate civics, history, and economics. And any other form of "critical thinking" so they could survive "democracy".

Eisenhower tried to warn us, but...

#30 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-11-09 11:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Here is what people want ...
www.salon.com
Allow Government to Negotiate Drug Prices (79%)
Give Students the Same Low Interest Rates as Big Banks (78%)
Universal Pre-Kindergarten (77%)
Fair Trade that Protect Workers, the Environment, and Jobs (75%)
End Tax Loopholes for Corporations that Ship Jobs Overseas (74%)
End Gerrymandering (73%)
Let Homeowners Pay Down Mortgage With 401k (72%)
Debt-Free College at All Public Universities (Message A) (71%)
Infrastructure Jobs Program -- $400 Billion / Year (71%)
Require NSA to Get Warrants (71%)
Disclose Corporate Spending on Politics/Lobbying (71%)
Medicare Buy-In for All (71%)
Close Offshore Corporate Tax Loopholes (70%)
Green New Deal -- Millions Of Clean-Energy Jobs (70%)
Full Employment Act (70%)
Expand Social Security Benefits (70%)

#3 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF AT 2019-11-08 08:17 AM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 4

Another good reason not to vote Bernie. It just isn't what people want.

#31 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-11-09 07:30 PM | Reply

"One man, one vote.
#4 | POSTED BY DANNI"

Yes, I agree. Women never should have been given the right to vote.

#32 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-09 11:32 PM | Reply

>biden, warren, or bernie
>implying any of them are "moderate" commies

I'm looking forward to the nue-Bolshevik internecine war

#33 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-11-10 12:07 AM | Reply

The "progressive agenda" is ever-moar trannies in libraries inculcating sexual confusion in children who are brought their by their "woke" parents, free everything for everyone crossing over an open border, and the immigration of infinite third-world scheisse-holers into European (or European-derived) countries, because they overwhelmingly vote for leftists.

#34 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-11-10 12:57 AM | Reply

*brought there by their

#35 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-11-10 12:58 AM | Reply

ok boomer

#36 | Posted by hamburglar at 2019-11-10 06:54 AM | Reply

This really shouldn't be surprising to anybody paying attention.

Take a look at the planks of the Democratic Party in the '90's - they are to the right of where the GOP is right now.

#37 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-11-10 11:11 AM | Reply

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