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Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., the ranking member on the House Intelligence Committee, listed requested witnesses in a letter Saturday to Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., the committee's chairman.

A key name on the GOP witness-request list is Hunter Biden " the son of former vice president and 2020 Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden " whose business dealings in Ukraine were at the center of Trump's efforts to have that country launch an investigation of his political rival.

Also on the list of requested witnesses is Devon Archer, a longtime business associate of Hunter Biden's, together with the anonymous whistleblower whose allegations regarding the president's dealings with Ukraine sparked the impeachment inquiry and former special envoy to Ukraine Kurt Volker, whose prior testimony has been viewed to be helpful to the Trump Administration.

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Nunes's letter list the following to appear as witnesses for the impeachment hearings:

The whistleblower, whose complaint over President Trump's call with Ukraine started the impeachment inquiry.

Hunter Biden, former Vice President Joe Biden's son and former board member of Ukrainian gas company Burisma Holdings.

Devon Archer, a former board member of Burisma Holdings and business partner to Hunter Biden.

Alexandra Chalupa, a former Democratic National Committee contractor and staffer who has previously testified under oath that she worked "with the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington, D.C. to try and get political dirt on then-candidate Trump's campaign."

David Hale, Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs, who "has direct knowledge of U.S. government policy with respect to foreign assistance and foreign assistance review."

Tim Morrison, the National Security Council's former Senior Director for European Affairs, who is Lt. Col. Vindman's immediate superior.

Nellie Ohr, a former contractor for opposition research firm Fusion GPS whose work "assisted in the production of the Steele Dossier" and who has previously testified under oath that Fusion GPS used information from Serhiy Leschenko, a former member of the Ukraine Parliment, in the Steele Dossier.

Kurt Volker, former ambassador to Ukraine.

Everyone who "relied upon by the anonymous whistleblower in drafting his or her secondhand complaint."

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-09 02:25 PM | Reply

"Hunter Biden, former Vice President Joe Biden's son and former board member of Ukrainian gas company Burisma Holdings"

Why is he here?

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-09 03:17 PM | Reply

Exactly, Zed.

#3 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-09 03:21 PM | Reply

Exactly, Zed.

#3 | Posted by YAV a

His testimony could have nothing to do with Trump's guilt or innocence on anticipated charges so I assume this is how Donald will introduce his favorite conspiracy theory into proceedings.

Best thing is for the Democrats to deep-six this.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-09 03:30 PM | Reply

Couldn't agree more.
It is so blatantly obvious, too.

#5 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-09 03:44 PM | Reply

#2-4

I guess the answer depends on how Schiff applies the legal definition of relevance as it pertains to witness testimony.

The "anticipated charges" pertain to Trump engaging in a quid pro quo by withholding aid until Ukraine resumed an investigation into the son of a Presidential Candidate, namely Hunter Biden.

Under FRE 401, Evidence is relevant if:

(a) it has any tendency to make a fact more or less probable than it would be without the evidence; and

(b) the fact is of consequence in determining the action.

The Majority in the House will probably agree with your argument that any testimony that Hunter and his business partner Devon Archer could give isn't relevant but the Senate and CJ Roberts aren't bound by Schiff's rulings in that regard.

IMO Schiff would be better off allowing the testimony but very narrowly limiting the scope of questioning to matters relevant to the inquiry, which would then take the sting out of the GOP's predictable whining about this being a sham proceeding.

#6 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-09 03:51 PM | Reply

I think that a better argument can be made against the Chalupa and Ohr testimony, which is clearly not relevant to this proceeding and is blatantly being thrown out there as a smokescreen.

#7 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-09 03:58 PM | Reply

What could Hunter Biden say that would be relevant?'
Given that the entire premise Trump tried to use (Ukraine's corrupt) went
right out the window?
That the Pentagon signed off on the Ukraine meeting the goals to clean up corruption before the military aid would be released?

#8 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-09 04:19 PM | Reply

which would then take the sting out of the GOP's predictable whining about this being a sham proceeding.

#6 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Your statement is based on two erroneous assumptions:

A. That that statement has any merit

B. That idiot righties would modify their opinions based on factual evidence

#9 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-09 06:40 PM | Reply

... Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., the ranking member on the House Intelligence Committee, listed requested witnesses in a letter Saturday to Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., the committee's chairman. ...

I dunno.

Didn't the Republican minority leader ask to replace Rep Nunes because they thought he woul dnot be up to the task at hand (and the replacement request was OK'd by Spkr Pelosi)?

If so, what does that say about anything Rep Nunes does or has done?

Really.

He's been a laughing stock of the Republican party.

But to the point of this thread....

The request for the Bidens to appear is irrelevant to the current impeachment investigation.


#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-09 08:06 PM | Reply

Exactly. No one's said what Hunter Biden might say that would be related or relevant.

Jim Jordan, who's facing all kinds of new problems with his past, is supposed to replace Rick Crawford (R) who has been critical of Trump and is retiring. He's had enough of these bozos. BTW - Jordan's super power is his ability not to see irony or hypocrisy; like his side ignoring subpoenas to testify publicly and privately, while demanding others obey.

#11 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-09 09:26 PM | Reply

Schiff told Nunes to go f himself.
He should subpoena the boys whose rapes gym Jordan covered up.

#12 | Posted by bored at 2019-11-09 09:40 PM | Reply

@#11

Regardless of Rep Jordan... as I said:

The request for the Bidens to appear is irrelevant to the current impeachment investigation.

#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-09 09:40 PM | Reply

The request for the Bidens to appear is irrelevant to the current impeachment investigation.

As i said in #11.
As I agreed in #3 and #5.
As I stated repeatedly in
drudge.com
I couldn't agree with you more.

#14 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-09 09:56 PM | Reply

@#14 ... I couldn't agree with you more. ...

Sometimes I cite a message because I agree. I understand that may not be the norm, but what can I say... I am an outlier. Always have been.

:)

#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-09 11:17 PM | Reply

Question for Hunter Biden:

1.) From the time you were kicked out of the Navy for your cocaine abuse until you were offered a board seat by Burisma, were you offered any other board seats - and if so - what was the compensation?
2.) What qualifications did you hold which made you qualified to hold the board seat?
3.) Was the White House (Obama) aware that you took this position? (we know they signed off on it).
4.) Did the White House express any concerns over you taking the position?
5.) Was your father aware of your position as well as the ongoing investigation into Burisma at any time?
6.) Were you aware that Burisma was under investigation at the time your father forced Ukraine to fire the prosecutor?
- produce the signed documents from the prosecutor that was indeed the case.
7.) Did your father getting the prosecutor fired benefit or hurt Burisma holdings?
8.) Did Burisma Holding later settle with the government and admit wrongdoing?
9.) What was the total compensation you received from Burisma? (this number is more like $90,000/month).

On to China:
1.) For the $1.5B investment, what was the agreed upon fee structure? - I would be 2%/20% which is an outrageous amount of money.
2.) Did you contact anyone on the CFIUS at any time regarding investments made by your investment fund?

On Romania:
Repeat the same as Ukraine list

#16 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-09 11:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

and a poster I've enjoyed for many years, too!

#17 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-09 11:32 PM | Reply

#16

How does an answer to any of those questions make the proposition that the Buffoon sought private political gain from Ukraine "more or less probable than it would be without the evidence?"

#18 | Posted by et_al at 2019-11-10 01:09 AM | Reply

#18 | POSTED BY ET_AL

Your question is a "you had no right to discover our crimes" deflection.

#19 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-10 02:52 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#19

No, my question is straight forward and clear. It is also clear that you can't articulate how any of that is "material" to the proposition. So you head fake and play games.

Sobeit, come back when you can do better.

#20 | Posted by et_al at 2019-11-10 03:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#20 | POSTED BY ET_AL

First - Trumps clear ask in terms of Ukraine help was in investigating the 2016 election interference. I thought that was a bipartisan issue. Now, with ANY background, it become clear why Ukraine is important in this:

www.cbsnews.com

Now, you will notice an important name in this - Chalupa - as being tied up in the collusion - yes, the same Chalupa that was a guest for the 'whistleblower' at a government event. All the names repeat on this - over and over. Further, it has already admitted that Ukrainian officials were some of the sources cited in the Steele Dossier - which was the most blatant attempt at foreign interference.

Now, the Congress can worry less about that aspect - Barr will get to the bottom of it - and Trump referred the president of Ukraine to Barr for this purpose.

As it relates to the Bidens? Well, the tape of Joe bragging about getting the prosecutor fired was a very recent event AND Trump was simply warning the president not to surround himself with the same corrupt group. Nowhere did he ask for investigation into the Bidens or to manufacture dirt on the Bidens.

So, demonstrating that the events around Biden getting the prosecutor fired by threatening to withhold aid is 100% relevant to the charges against Trump.

#21 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-10 03:45 AM | Reply

#21

That's a whole lot of words that say nothing about whether the Buffoon sought private political gain from Ukraine is "more or less probable than it would be without the evidence?"

Seriously, how does any of that inform its actions?

Want to try again or write another hundred words that don't address the question.

#22 | Posted by et_al at 2019-11-10 04:11 AM | Reply

"That's a whole lot of words that say nothing about whether the Buffoon sought private political gain from Ukraine is "more or less probable than it would be without the evidence?"
#22 | POSTED BY ET_AL "

I guess it is how deranged you want to be when trying to mind read on motive. For instanc - Did Joe Biden get the prosecutor fired to help Hunter? We know the end result was Hunter benefiting via Burisma. But, do we know with 100% certainty that he did it for this reason? We don't, but the outlandish pay package for a lifelong screw-up, cokehead seems to point in that direction.

So, applying the same to Trump - did he do these actions for 'private political gain' as you contend? Maybe, but that requires you to be a mind reader. The other logical conclusion is that he was seeking to stamp out corruption in the Ukraine while also ensuring Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election is fully investigated - again, all the Biden corruption names come back around to the 2016 Russia Hoax. So, does Trump have private political gain from proving the 2016 election hoax was initiated in Ukraine on behalf of the Clintons - YES. Does this mean he cannot pursue it even if it is in the best interest of America to do so?

So, you are really forced to claim you know Trump's intent - good luck with that argument when you have been screaming for impeachment going on 3 years already.

#23 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-10 04:22 AM | Reply

The other logical conclusion is that he (Trump) was seeking to stamp out corruption in the Ukraine

#23 | Posted by iragoldberg

How did it become logical to assume that a corrupt man would work to stamp out corruption?

#24 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-10 09:03 AM | Reply

So, you are really forced to claim you know Trump's intent

#23 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-1

American juries are routinely asked to evaluate a defendant's intent.

This whole "Amwerican" thing confuses you, doesn't it?

#25 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-10 09:05 AM | Reply

So, you are really forced to claim you know Trump's intent

#23 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-1

American juries are routinely asked to evaluate a defendant's intent.

This whole "American" thing confuses you, doesn't it?

#26 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-10 09:12 AM | Reply

"American juries are routinely asked to evaluate a defendant's intent.
#26 | POSTED BY ZED "

Yes, they are. And that is what places this into a gray area where we will get a vote along partisan lines. Dems never should have thrown around impeachment based on such weak sauce.

#27 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-10 09:24 AM | Reply

Ira, when Et_Al's kicking your argument to shreds that badly, you ought to learn something from it.

Instead, and I thank you for this, Et_Al's excellent questions and your "answers" show the GOP's mendacity and corruption in taking these actions. I don't think you realize just how bad what you're laid out is. What it means.

The GOP sure as hell didn't show anything like this in any investigation of corruption in the Ukraine during the time your party held the House, the Senate, and the Presidency. Just like they didn't bother with any other corruption on the planet. Now it's just the alleged corruption that might have occurred where the name "Biden" might be able to be linked.

The GOP wants to use the U.S. Government's resources to dig up dirt against a political opponent's son. That serves their leader, politically, and it sends a message to any other whistleblowers and other witnesses to think again about coming forward.

#28 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-10 09:33 AM | Reply

"Ira, when Et_Al's kicking your argument to shreds that badly, you ought to learn something from it."

He has done no such thing. He has laid out a case which require people to guess as the the president's intent. It is an unwinnable case for the Dems given the underlying facts re Hunter and Joe.

"Instead, and I thank you for this, Et_Al's excellent questions and your "answers" show the GOP's mendacity and corruption in taking these actions. I don't think you realize just how bad what you're laid out is. What it means."

It means you got nothing - and the sad thing is that even you know it.

"The GOP wants to use the U.S. Government's resources to dig up dirt against a political opponent's son.
#28 | POSTED BY YAV"

This is a lie. I assume you think it to be true because you were dumb enough to think Schiffhead's comedy skit was the actual transcript.

#29 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-10 09:45 AM | Reply

Not a lie at all. Just like Trump weaponized the DOJ, he and people like you in the GOP, are trying it with this.

I leave it to the readers to determine who's being honest and factual.

BTW - Hunter won't be testifying, Schiff made the correct choice - which is, for anyone that actually thinks, obvious and ethically correct.

#30 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-10 10:25 AM | Reply

He has done no such thing. He has laid out a case which require people to guess as the the president's intent. It is an unwinnable case for the Dems given the underlying facts re Hunter and Joe.

So instead of requiring Trump to clarify his intent, you want to play his circus out in place of proper impeachment hearings as if that clarifies his intent...

Christ you're an idiot shill. And the reason people have been calling for impeachment is because Trump is a ------- POS who debased and is debasing the office every single day.

#31 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-10 10:41 AM | Reply

"BTW - Hunter won't be testifying, Schiff made the correct choice - which is, for anyone that actually thinks, obvious and ethically correct.
#30 | POSTED BY YAV "

He can to the house or he can to the Senate. If the house does not allow it, it just makes this process look like even more of a sham. With impeachment fatigue already setting in and polls falling, I am betting Nancy wishes she could put the pin back in this now. Trump calling her a 3rd rate politician really made her play right into his hands.

#32 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-10 10:44 AM | Reply

"And the reason people have been calling for impeachment is because Trump is a ------- POS who debased and is debasing the office every single day.
#31 | POSTED BY JPW "

At least you are man enough to admit it has nothing to do with Ukraine. Too early to be that drunk and angry JPW. Try church.

#33 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-10 10:46 AM | Reply

Trump made his intentions clear in the call when he said "do us a favor though" - and then didn't talk about Ukraine corruption, but specifically about Crowdstrike, the "server" (what an idiot), and the insane conspiracy theory peddled by Putin to Kilimnik to Manafort, to Trump. He made it all about the political issues. He made it about Ukraine, not Russia, interferring with the US election in 2016. Not one thing about Ukraine's corruption being cleared up to get their funds. No. It was about all this political/ego stuff. This after Ukraine had been approved to receive the funds, met the goals, cleaned up corruption.

www.foxnews.com

You're too deep into a ------- narrative to see what's obvious. What's obvious to everyone else is you're full of it.

#34 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-10 11:11 AM | Reply

BTW - because you'll miss this, and deny it, Trump extorted Zelenskyy, and then bribed him, for political dirt. That's why we're having impeachment hearings.

#35 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-10 11:13 AM | Reply

Article Two, Section Four of the United States Constitution provides that: "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other High crimes and Misdemeanors."

#36 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-10 11:13 AM | Reply

"He made it about Ukraine, not Russia, interferring with the US election in 2016.
#34 | POSTED BY YAV"

This is a good thing. We need to get to the bottom of the Russia Hoax.

#37 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-10 11:15 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"BTW - because you'll miss this, and deny it, Trump extorted Zelenskyy, and then bribed him, for political dirt.
#35 | POSTED BY YAV "

If this is your contention, then you are going to have to explain why Zelenskyy denies bribing or pressure AND what the political dirt is as Trump asked for no such thing.

#38 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-10 11:17 AM | Reply

Yeah, nope.
I don't have to do squat.
I've already laid it out, and Trump did the hard work for me in his "perfect" "transcript" (WTF does "perfect" even mean, and no, it's not a transcript).

You're boring and repetitive without any comprehension, lacking even the ability to understand the obvious.
As such you've become tedious.

#39 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-10 11:21 AM | Reply

If the house does not allow it, it just makes this process look like even more of a sham.

LOL let the GOP turn the hearings into a Dem trashing circus or it's a sham.

What a POS you are.

With impeachment fatigue already setting in and polls falling

Actually, they've remained steady and that's without the full extent of Trump's corruption being publicly known.

At least you are man enough to admit it has nothing to do with Ukraine.

Impeachment was meant to be a means of defending and preserving the honor of the office.

So yes, in spirit it was definitely appropriate on day 1 that the Orange Schitheap debased the office.

Too early to be that drunk and angry JPW.

Not too early for you to be a stupid POS and trot out this lame line.

Try church.

And surround my self with fake as f--- people like you? No thanks.

#40 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-10 11:22 AM | Reply

This is a good thing. We need to get to the bottom of the Russia Hoax.

#37 | Posted by iragoldberg

There was no hoax you gullible sack of schit.

#41 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-10 11:22 AM | Reply

AND what the political dirt is as Trump asked for no such thing.

#38 | Posted by iragoldberg

Apparently you know more than the people who have testified otherwise.

So who are you IRL? Steven Miller? And aide being forced to sell talking points in online forums?

Because your posts are dystopian in their disconnection from reality and no sane, rational person believes the garbage coming from the WH as completely as you apparently do.

#42 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-10 11:25 AM | Reply

Savage AF, JPW.
Nice.

#43 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-10 11:32 AM | Reply

More for Ira:

Trump "wanted nothing less than President Zelenskyy to go to a microphone and say investigations, Biden and Clinton," Kent told House impeachment investigators (in sworn testimony).

That was scheduled to happen by Zelenskyy, on CNN, so that Ukraine could finally get the military aid they desperately needed. Ukriane was just about to give in to extortion and bribery by Trump, and then the news broke. The aid was released. Zelenskyy cancelled.

Is that enough of a clue for you?

#44 | Posted by YAV at 2019-11-10 11:56 AM | Reply

"There was no hoax you gullible sack of schit.
#41 | POSTED BY JPW"

I guess you really can't fix stupid. It was a Russia Hoax and even MSNBC admits it. The only remaining issue is getting to the bottom of its origins and you are crapping your tighty-whities over that and we all know it. Graham dropped a truth bomb already on this point this weekend - new IG release timeline is by Thanksgiving and what Graham has stated is the findings will be explosive and damning - and the IG report will be the one trying to provide cover for the deep state - Durham's will be 10x worse. Once that drops, all air will be taken out of the impeachment process - assuming it is even still ongoing them. Nancy is clearly trying to put the pin back in that one with the falling support - down 4 points in the last 2 weeks even with over-sampling of Dems.

At the end of the day, impeachment will wind up being a farce accomplishing nothing but ending Biden's political career and tarnishing Obama for letting this corruption to occur. The IG report and Durham report will end with criminal prosecution - we both know this to be true so you should be adjusting your talking points already.

#45 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-10 09:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

It was a Russia Hoax and even MSNBC admits it.

Pray tell who? on MSNBC "admits it"? You must be watching an entirely different MSNBC than the one I get on my TV.

#46 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-11-10 11:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is looking really bad for the GOP. I didn't think it was possible for them to look even more corrupt and incompetent, yet here we are.

#47 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-11-11 12:05 AM | Reply

"It was a Russia Hoax and even MSNBC admits it"

IRA is paid to lie like a dog.

#48 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-11 09:42 AM | Reply

If Republicans want to (and perhaps they should) investigate Hunter Biden and his dad they should open up a separate Senate investigation.

Hunter Biden has nothing to do with Trump seeking to have Ukraine open an investigation of their own.

#49 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-11-12 11:45 AM | Reply

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