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Monday, November 11, 2019

World War I -- known at the time as "The Great War" -- officially ended when the Treaty of Versailles was signed on June 28, 1919, in the Palace of Versailles outside the town of Versailles, France. However, fighting ceased seven months earlier when an armistice, or temporary cessation of hostilities, between the Allied nations and Germany went into effect on the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month. For that reason, November 11, 1918, is generally regarded as the end of "the war to end all wars."

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In November 1919, President Wilson proclaimed November 11 as the first commemoration of Armistice Day with the following words: "To us in America, the reflections of Armistice Day will be filled with solemn pride in the heroism of those who died in the country's service and with gratitude for the victory, both because of the thing from which it has freed us and because of the opportunity it has given America to show her sympathy with peace and justice in the councils of the nations ... "

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Dont thank me, give a homeless person a couple dollars and tell em it is from me.

#1 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2019-11-11 10:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Don't Thank Me for My Service
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I do not want to appear disrespectful or ungrateful, but should we meet on the street one day, do say "Hello," or "Fine day" or other such nicety, but please do not thank me for "my service" as a United States Marine.

I make this request because my service, as you refer to it, was basically, either to train to become a killer or to actually kill people and blow ---- up.

So, when you thank me for my service, it disturbs me ... a lot.

if you truly want to demonstrate your good character, patriotism, and support for the troops and veterans, rather than merely mouth meaningless expressions of gratitude for something you don't truly understand or care much about, do something meaningful and real.

Do what is truly in the interest of this nation and of those victimized by war.

Make some demands.

Demand, for example, an immediate end to the corporate takeover of our "democracy" and to the undue influence of the military-industrial-Congressional complex.

Demand sanity in Pentagon spending and a reallocation of finite resources to people-focused programs such as health care, education and jobs rather than to killing and destruction.

Demand an immediate end to wars for corporate profit, greed, power and hegemony. Demand that we adhere to the Constitution and to international law.

Demand accountability for those who make war easily and care more for wealth, profit and power than for national interest or for the welfare of their fellow human beings.

And finally, demand the troops be brought home now, and that they be adequately treated and cared for when they return.

So, should we meet on the street one day, do say Hello, or Fine day, and as you talk to me about your efforts to make this country and the world a better and more peaceful place in which to live, I would be happy to thank you for your service.


QFT

#2 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-11-11 10:27 AM | Reply

Just a bunch of leftist talking points. Next.

#3 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-11 10:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Thank you for your service" is a hollow platitude and I hate when people say it to me. Most vets I know feel the same way.

#4 | Posted by qcp at 2019-11-11 10:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Sure do miss CAChris. She kept a list of Retort Veterans and posted the list every Veterans Day.

#5 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-11-11 10:41 AM | Reply

Just a bunch of leftist talking points. Next.

#3 | POSTED BYNULLIFIDIAN

I know.

And "thank you for your service" is a a corporate and right-wing empty platitude of an excuse to justify not doing anything of real substance for veterans -- like a comprehensive jobs program.

Just saying ~

#6 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-11-11 10:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#4 What a sad life. Here in Jacksonville we have had parades, 5K races, motorcycles runs, etc this weekend well attended by Vets and others in appredicatio for their service and raising money for assorted Vet charities.

#7 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-11-11 10:51 AM | Reply

Reminder: Donald Trump admitted in court to stealing charity donation for Veterans to boost his political campaign.

#8 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2019-11-11 10:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 8

--And "thank you for your service" is a a corporate and right-wing empty platitude

Bla bla bla. I wish I could say thank you to my late father, who actually fought fascism without wearing a black ski mask on college campuses.

#9 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-11 10:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#6 Do you ever get embarrassed for telling your lies on here? You probably don't.

#10 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-11-11 10:58 AM | Reply

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And of course this just chaps your asses:
www.nbcnewyork.com

"This year, the event will be met with security challenges since President Donald Trump has accepted an invitation to kick off the parade, the first sitting president to do so."

#11 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-11-11 11:02 AM | Reply

"#4 What a sad life."

Thank you for proving my point. You don't actually care what veterans have to say you just have a political axe to grind or are attempting to make yourself feel better. Go ---- yourself, you miserable ----.

#12 | Posted by qcp at 2019-11-11 11:12 AM | Reply

Go ---- yourself, you miserable ----.

#12 | Posted by qcp

Misogynistic Leftist. Typical.

#13 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-11 11:29 AM | Reply

Bla bla bla. I wish I could say thank you to my late father, who actually fought fascism without wearing a black ski mask on college campuses.

#9 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

I agree, 100%.

And my family was part of The Resistance in WWII Europe -- where just the mere suspicion of anything clandestine against the Nazis had you summarily executed.

But saying "thank you for your service" has now become so grotesque in it's jumped-the-shark emptiness that it really needs to be called out, especially with military suicides at epidemic levels -- these veterans need something meaningful in their lives, like dignified employment and streamlined access to veterans benefits that only Congress can make happen, that is if Congress were truly interest in veterans, which they are not.

#14 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-11-11 11:31 AM | Reply

-"Thank you for your service" is a hollow platitude and I hate when people say it to me. Most vets I know feel the same way."

I'm sure it's hollow some of the time but I really believe most are being very sincere when they say it.

#15 | Posted by eberly at 2019-11-11 11:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

-that is if Congress were truly interest in veterans, which they are not.

why is that? It's not like supporting veterans the way they should be supported gets you into hot water with another group, does it?

It's not the political wedge issue that is abortion, guns, gays, etc....

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2019-11-11 11:41 AM | Reply

Thank you, Veterans. God bless you, our past and current service members and God bless the United States of America.

#17 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-11-11 12:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I don't have a problem with people "thanking me for my service" nor do I have a problem with those who hate that phrase, most of whom are further left on the political spectrum than most people who served.

Happy Veteran's Day to all who served, whether they like to be thanked for it or not.

#18 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-11 12:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

This must be a confusing day for fans of a president that stole money from veterans charities and got a cowardly fake medical deferrment.

#19 | Posted by kudzu at 2019-11-11 12:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

- who actually fought fascism without wearing a black ski mask on college campuses.

How one opposes Fascism is not as important as the opposition itself... particularly when one instead denigrates that opposition each time they are given the opportunity to oppose Fascist marchers today.

#20 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-11 12:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Tyler Parsons saved all five shot attempts he faced in the shootout to help the United States vs Canada Live bring home the gold medal at the IIHF World Junior Championship in dramatic fashion Thursday.

#21 | Posted by nicholajacobi at 2019-11-11 12:54 PM | Reply

I called my son this morning and thanked him for his service but that's my son. We have that type of relationship. Saying it to a stranger is a bit awkward.

I also thanked him for his efforts in exposing Wounded Warrior for the greedy bastards they are.

#22 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-11-11 12:59 PM | Reply

--How one opposes Fascism is not as important as the opposition itself...

You want to compare my father, who dropped bombs on real nazis over 30 separate missions, with cowardly leftwing goons who wear masks? GFY.

#23 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-11 01:02 PM | Reply

Collecting donated items for Fisher house at work today and having a blood drive.

#24 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-11-11 01:07 PM | Reply

#23 |

I was obviously commenting on your ad nauseum whataboutism deflecting about antifa every time there was a thread here about violent white power Klan and neo-Nazi marchers.

That you are willing to use your father as a retort is.... pretty disgusting.

My father lied about his age and joined the Air Force at 16 because he was afraid he would miss serving in the war and became a navigator on the Berlin Airlift flights.

#25 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-11 01:13 PM | Reply

#23 OK, boomer.

#26 | Posted by qcp at 2019-11-11 01:27 PM | Reply

At least the troops today know that Trump has their back, right?

Speaking of disgusting.

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-11 01:36 PM | Reply

@#9 ... I wish I could say thank you to my late father, who actually fought fascism ...

Before he passed away, I was able to thank my father for just that.

I also thank Veterans in different ways than saying the platitude.

For starters, I have hired them. And trained them to help them attain the skills they needed to grow into the tasks I knew they were able to do.


#28 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-11 01:39 PM | Reply

This must be a confusing day for fans of a president that stole money from veterans charities and got a cowardly fake medical deferrment.

#19 | Posted by kudzu at

I don't think they're confused at all. Thieving, lying, and cowardliness are traits they think (and argue) everyone has, and so Donald Trump shouldn't be singled out for them

#29 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-11 01:53 PM | Reply

---- me for my service.
I prefer to remember this day through the immortal words of Gen. Butler...
War is a racket
Happy day to the tools.

#30 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-11-11 02:25 PM | Reply

What offends me is the idea that Vets and the Military "gave" me my freedom and rights.

#31 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-11-11 02:33 PM | Reply

doing anything of real substance for veterans -- like a comprehensive jobs program

I appreciate the sentiment, Pinch, I truly do, but right now unemployment is about 3.5%, which experts will point out is effectively "fully employed" and can't get much lower. Also, there are tons of transition training opportunities, special jobs fairs, and preferential hiring for vets in federal programs and law enforcement. If a vet is willing and able, the jobs and training are there.

#32 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-11-11 02:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#31 Nobody said they did. You were born with all your rights and freedoms. The Constitution prevented our own government from infringing on them, and the military prevented everyone else from doing so.

You're welcome.

#33 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-11-11 02:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"This year, the event will be met with security challenges since President Donald Trump has accepted an invitation to kick off the parade, the first sitting president to do so."

He's finally getting his military parade!

President bone spurs leads the way!

Happy Veterans Day to all the vets out there. May the millionaires and billionaires you've waged wars for take a moment to recognize all your sacrifices.

#34 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-11-11 03:07 PM | Reply

Nobody said they did.
#33 | POSTED BY MUSTANG

It's a very common sentiment.

And I'm proud to be an American where at least I know I'm free
And I won't forget the men who died, who gave that right to me
-Lee Greenwood "God Bless the USA"

From what I hear, this song is quite popular.

#35 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-11-11 03:17 PM | Reply

#31 ...and the military prevented everyone else from doing so.
You're welcome.
#33 | POSTED BY MUSTANG

No, my government, on my authority, prevented it by hiring and training the military. The military is a tool, not the architect, or even the carpenter.
You should be thanking me for paying and training you. I always thank my customers for their business.

#36 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-11-11 03:21 PM | Reply

give a homeless person a couple dollars and tell em it is from me.

#1 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour

Is that you, Bernie?

#37 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-11-11 03:25 PM | Reply

-give a homeless person a couple dollars and tell em it is from me.

reminds me of this movie scene.....

www.youtube.com

so generous....

#38 | Posted by eberly at 2019-11-11 03:33 PM | Reply

In Florida apparently they thank you for your service by servicing you!

Apparently.

popularmilitary.com

Now that is how you thank a vet for his service!!

Semper Fi

#39 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-11-11 05:36 PM | Reply

That party sounds like some of the parties on Magsayay Drive in Subic Bay back in the day. We would be there for a couple of weeks at a time and some units would simply "buy" a bar for the duration. Would kind of serve as home base while we were in town.

Semper Fi and Happy Birthday Donner.

#40 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2019-11-11 06:11 PM | Reply

I Have a Rendezvous with Death
BY ALAN SEEGER

I have a rendezvous with Death
At some disputed barricade,
When Spring comes back with rustling shade
And apple-blossoms fill the air"
I have a rendezvous with Death
When Spring brings back blue days and fair.

It may be he shall take my hand
And lead me into his dark land
And close my eyes and quench my breath"
It may be I shall pass him still.
I have a rendezvous with Death
On some scarred slope of battered hill,
When Spring comes round again this year
And the first meadow-flowers appear.

God knows 'twere better to be deep
Pillowed in silk and scented down,
Where Love throbs out in blissful sleep,
Pulse nigh to pulse, and breath to breath,
Where hushed awakenings are dear ...
But I've a rendezvous with Death
At midnight in some flaming town,
When Spring trips north again this year,
And I to my pledged word am true,
I shall not fail that rendezvous.

#41 | Posted by uncle_meat at 2019-11-11 06:51 PM | Reply

All great things are simple,and many can be expressed in single words: Freedom, Justice, Honor, Duty, Mercy, Hope.
Winston Churchill

#42 | Posted by LesWit at 2019-11-11 07:01 PM | Reply

Semper Fi to my fellow former Marines and thank you for your service to all veterans whether you like the phrase or not. I repeated it to my VA nurse one time and she seemed to feel it applied to her and deservedly so. The

The window of my cube in the barracks of HQ company looked out over Arlington National Cemetery, a constant reminder how serious being in the military can turn out. This was during the war but I did not have to go.

I did have to go to the White House twice and the second time I saw Nixon from about 30 yards away. The WH would tell HQMC to send a bus load of young jarheads to fill out the crowd sometimes. Nixon was greeting some obscure visiting dignitary and there was almost no one around so I could see him really well. Man, that guy was repellent, and super charismatic at the same time.

#43 | Posted by grumpy_too at 2019-11-11 08:02 PM | Reply

"I'm sure it's hollow some of the time but I really believe most are being very sincere when they say it."

I believe they are sincere, I just think the idealistic concepts for which thanks are being given aren't particularly connected to the services actually performed.

Iraq and Vietnam were never a threat to us, for example.

To all veterans, I'm sorry your service was needed. Let's build a world that doesn't need veterans!

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-11 08:31 PM | Reply

"Let's build a world that doesn't need veterans!"
#44 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

"Less Evil" does nothing to help achieve that goal.

#45 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-11-11 08:34 PM | Reply

It's closer to the goal than "More Evil."

Funny how that's not good enough for you, so instead of progress, you'll take retrograde motion.

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-11 08:37 PM | Reply

Sad how you need to grandstand in a thread about Veteran's Day.

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-11 08:38 PM | Reply

I am one of the veterans that has always felt a little uneasy when someone says "thank you for your service". But after years of wrangling with that issue I have finally come to the understanding that it is a way for John Q. Public, who really doesn't know what service entails, to show respect and appreciation. And so, I have actually changed my opinion and now look at it as the only way some people have to show their appreciation for those of us who were willing to serve so that they didn't have too.

#48 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2019-11-11 08:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Was #47 a responce to #46?

#49 | Posted by Charliecharles at 2019-11-11 08:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

No. Just my personal thoughts and rationale regarding civilians relating certain sentiments. Sorry if I offended.

#50 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2019-11-11 10:15 PM | Reply

I just reply "it was my pleasure", which it was.

#51 | Posted by willowby at 2019-11-11 10:55 PM | Reply

"it was my pleasure",

Or a "thanks for your support,"
So if they're being genuine then I hope they feel my mutual appreciation, or if they're being fake then maybe they will feel scummy.

#52 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-11-11 11:25 PM | Reply

I love being among those who are thanked for their service...despite sneering hating leftists....wish I could thank those on 6/6/44....
"90% of the kids on the first boats to hit the beach didn't make it to see the end of the day. Look at those faces. Most of them never made it to 19. Never loved a woman. Never owned a home.
They gave their lives fighting Hitler and National Socialism so kids today can call people they don't like Hitler and Nazis."

#53 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2019-11-12 02:10 AM | Reply

#53 | POSTED BY GREATAMERICAN

Did they give their lives so "good people" could carry Nazi flags at Charlottesville?
And contrary to your jingoism, most veterans today did not fight in WWII.

#54 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-11-12 03:23 AM | Reply

I wonder GA if you direct any of your ire towards folks who steal from veterans' charities?

#55 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-11-12 03:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I wonder GA if you direct any of your ire towards folks who steal from veterans' charities?

#55 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-11-1

Not if he's named Trump, you can bet. Donald has a God-given right to steal from people like you, am I right GREAT AMERICAN?

#56 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-12 08:25 AM | Reply

Most vets I know feel the same way.

That's because those you know are liberal and have no appreciation for the sacrifices other have made or the patriotism they feel.

Liberals think freedom just happens and doesnt need to be defended with someone having to give their life. There are those of us, 1% of the population, who stood up and said, I will die for it if need be, so you dont have to.

That's why we get thanked. It's a debt that cannot be repaid, other than to live the freedoms vets protect.

#57 | Posted by boaz at 2019-11-12 08:33 AM | Reply

Many veterans, myself included, celebrate Veteran's Day, remembering we won that particular lottery by getting past our service, whether we enlisted or were drafted. Memorial day is when I reflect on my friends who were veterans and who are dead. No more drunken or stoned revelry for those dudes (and dudettes). RIP.

#58 | Posted by john47 at 2019-11-12 08:51 AM | Reply

Boaz, that high horse and your low IQ are a dangerous combination.

#59 | Posted by qcp at 2019-11-12 09:58 AM | Reply

"Liberals think freedom just happens and doesnt need to be defended withsomeonehaving to give their life."

You didn't defend any American's freedoms in Iraq, Boaz.

Well, maybe Erik Prince.

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-12 03:48 PM | Reply

"Liberals think freedom just happens and doesnt need to be defended withsomeonehaving to give their life."

You didn't defend any American's freedoms in Iraq, Boaz.

Well, maybe Erik Prince.

#60 | Posted by snoofy

Interesting statement considering they attacked us here (in the US). And then they TOLD us they were going to come here and use our laws against us to eliminate all infidels. And we know this because 1) they told us and keep on telling us that they are going to do it and 2) because they are doing it by flocking to small areas and immediately electing terrorist proxies like Illan Omar who then go forth and do everything in their power to illuminate American value and replace them with the very garbage that they "claim" they were fleeing in their own country.

#61 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2019-11-12 06:02 PM | Reply

"I am one of the veterans that has always felt a little uneasy when someone says "thank you for your service". But after years of wrangling with that issue I have finally come to the understanding that it is a way for John Q. Public, who really doesn't know what service entails, to show respect and appreciation. And so, I have actually changed my opinion and now look at it as the only way some people have to show their appreciation for those of us who were willing to serve so that they didn't have too."

Interesting take.

I always figured it was because the uniformed public figured that I was either freezing in a foxhole somewhere or dodging MiG's in pitched air battles. In reality, I get bitchy when my hotel room doesn't have a mini bar, or I get stuck on the ------ 767 where Delta elected to eliminate legroom in favor of more seats.

There are Service Members who are hanging their pink asses out there...but I am not one of them. Never have been. Your average entrepreneur has done far more to "serve" this country than I ever will.

#62 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-11-12 10:51 PM | Reply

"Interesting statement considering they attacked us here (in the US). And then they TOLD us they were going to come here and use our laws against us to eliminate all infidels. And we know this because 1) they told us and keep on telling us that they are going to do it and 2) because they are doing it by flocking to small areas and immediately electing terrorist proxies like Illan Omar who then go forth and do everything in their power to illuminate American value and replace them with the very garbage that they "claim" they were fleeing in their own country."

Interesting take.

As you point out, the evil Muslims can still do (are doing) all those things, so the men and women who died fighting in Iraq died for nothing, I guess.

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-12 11:09 PM | Reply

Perhaps "Thank You For Maintaining The Hegemony" would be a less ambiguous and more focused thing to say.

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-12 11:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

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