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Thursday, November 14, 2019

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky had received an ultimatum from the Trump administration. He was negotiating to sit for an interview with CNN host Fareed Zakaria. And Zelensky was prepared to do it: The President of Ukraine would go on international television and announce investigations into President Donald Trump's domestic political opponent. And then, Zelensky didn't do it.

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Over the course of a few nail-biting days in early September, Trump nearly obtained the "deliverable" he had sought from Ukraine for months. He'd wanted Zelensky to publicly announce investigations into Joe and Hunter Biden and purported Ukrainian meddling in the 2016 U.S. elections " perfect fodder for Trump's 2020 reelection campaign.

The President had placed a hold on a nearly $400 million aid package to Ukraine, and the Ukrainians were feeling the heat.

The date for the announcement was reportedly set for Sept. 13. But just before Zelensky went public, the security aid was released " and the public learned of a whistleblower's complaint that would come to rock Washington and endanger Trump's hold on the Oval Office.

A look at the chronology reveals just how close Trump came to extracting what he wanted from Ukraine's president.

Now it makes perfect sense why Trump and his Rumpers are obsessed with the whistleblower's identity. The chain of events set in motion by his complaint derailed the laboriously laid conspiracy train of corruption that Trump believed would help deliver him the 2020 election and provide him a patsy to lay off Russia's complicity in 2016 interference on Ukraine's former governments instead.

It was a perfect plan of perfidy that almost came to fruition if not for the whistleblower's complaint and the IC IG's adherence to the law. It's simply mind boggling how close this scheme came to implementation. The illicit machinations of this scheme are impeachment worthy on their own subversive merits regardless that they weren't completely put into motion as Trump and his henchmen desired.

What right does Trump have in asking for another chance at election when he's shown full complicity in making sure the deck is illegally stacked in his favor, destroying any semblance of belief that he won't cheat however he can to insure that he wins by hook or crook?

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-11-14 03:52 PM | Reply

And then they passed it off to a lesser known figure to quietly announce it anyway.

www.justsecurity.org

#2 | Posted by JOE at 2019-11-14 05:01 PM | Reply

And then they passed it off to a lesser known figure to quietly announce it anyway.

And this is certainly so that Zelensky could tacitly say to Trump that Ukraine IS looking into any possible past corruption investigations without showing precise deference to the one Trump specifically wanted to be publicly announced, namely regarding Burisma. And the announcement has gone completely unremarked upon by the White House who now is in cover-up mode and unable to propagandize it as they once wanted to.

Bottom line - and something I've advocated since the entire Burisma/Biden/Ukraine scheme came into focus - the Democrats should be screaming that this entire enterprise was a criminal conspiracy against the laws and practices of the United States government. Criminal conspiracies of themselves are designed to obscure and shield the ultimate recipient from the actions of those doing the recipient's bidding, and it's simply and easily understood by almost everyone as an unquestionably illegal act.

#3 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-11-14 07:20 PM | Reply

Absence of evidence is evidence of guilt! My wife's son's friend said that his dog-walker overheard from his brother-in-law!

#4 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-11-15 12:17 AM | Reply

Absence of evidence is evidence of guilt! My wife's son's friend said that his dog-walker overheard from his brother-in-law!

#4 | Posted by berserkone

Are you really this stupid? Gullible?

#5 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-15 02:12 AM | Reply

Zelensky was truly "Saved by the bell."

Trump gives REAL mafia Godfathers a bad name. I'm surprised they haven't taken him to school over it.

#6 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-11-15 02:27 AM | Reply

Posted by jpw
>xe actually believes Orange Man Bad is gonna be impeached
Wish in one hand while you dilate with the other

#7 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-11-15 03:13 AM | Reply

BERSERK

">xe actually believes Orange Man Bad is gonna be impeached"

That's Plan B.

JPW is smart enough to know that Plan A is the real game plan.

#8 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-11-15 03:24 AM | Reply

so what's "Plan A"?

#9 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-11-15 03:30 AM | Reply

electing some crypto-commie who's in support of open borders, free everything for anyone who happens to stumble across the border?

#10 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-11-15 03:34 AM | Reply

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Chieftess Warren wanna put tax on any white-face who earn over one billion wumpum?

#11 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-11-15 03:39 AM | Reply

BERSERKONE

"so what's "Plan A"?"

I'm not surprised you have to ask. You should be ashamed of yourself.

However my experience in the legal world, and life in general, is "Never volunteer your game plan to the enemy."

Any chess player could figure it out from the very first gambit.

#12 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-11-15 04:09 AM | Reply

"Absence of evidence is evidence of guilt! "

So your theory is there was no crime because the murderer was tackled before he could pull the trigger and kill that poor guy on 5th ave. No murder no crime!

This excellent theory proves that there was no QPQ because the plot was exposed before the product could be delivered.

TOTALLY EXONERATED!!

#PERFECT-CALL

#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-11-15 05:22 AM | Reply

I guess the federal charge(s) of Conspiracy to commit... is unknown to our resident Beserker. The attempt of committing a crime is viewed almost the same as the actual commission of said crime and usually brings the same sentence.

#14 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-11-15 07:20 AM | Reply

This should be investigated at least as thoroughly as Collusion Hoax, even if does benefit Trump. The Bidens are a crime family.

#15 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-11-15 08:10 AM | Reply

#15 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Has the DoJ opened an investigation yet? Have they contacted Ukraine to get cooperation in said investigation?

Why is the Trump DoJ ignoring all this "obvious" (to you) wrongdoing by the Biden "crime family"??? Barr should be impeached for being delinquent in his duty, right?

#16 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-11-15 09:25 AM | Reply

You may have missed it, but Trump is being impeached for having the audacity of requesting Ukrainian help in the investigation of influence peddling by the Bidens.

#17 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-11-15 09:45 AM | Reply

"You may have missed it, but Trump is being impeached for having the audacity of requesting Ukrainian help in the investigation of influence peddling by the Bidens."

There is no evidence that Biden peddled influence but the impeachment is examining Trump's obvious influence peddling to get an investigation of his likely rival in 2020.

#18 | Posted by danni at 2019-11-15 09:54 AM | Reply

"The Bidens are a crime family."

No evidence of that but the Trump family, there are copious amounts of evidence that they are a true crime family. I'll bet you Biden would allow Congress or the public to see his tax returns....Trump....not so much. BTW, Visitor is a Russian bot repeating stupid talking points that only idiots would believe but, if you can convince enough idiots you can win in the EC.

#19 | Posted by danni at 2019-11-15 09:56 AM | Reply

#17 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

No... Trump asked Ukraine to open an investigation. Barr has said that he hasn't talked to Ukraine at all about it. How would Ukraine "help" in an investigation if they don't know what the details of the investigation are? If you give them no direction (while simultaneously withholding needed aid) you are just sending them on a wild goose chase (or "witch hunt"), right?

Do you have ANY actual evidence that indicates the DoJ had opened an investigation into the Bidens? Any statements or implications? Or are you just making crap up?

#20 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-11-15 10:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Russian bots don't actually read the posts that are directed at them. They just repeat the talking points they have been programmed to repeat.

#21 | Posted by danni at 2019-11-15 10:20 AM | Reply

I'd take a cryptocommie over a cryptonazi any day of the week.

Don't worry, Pelosi and McConnell are making certain the worst you get is Biden.

#22 | Posted by JOE at 2019-11-15 10:22 AM | Reply

Weird, i was quoting #10.

#23 | Posted by JOE at 2019-11-15 10:23 AM | Reply

This is what I found that Trump said:

The other thing, there's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me.

#24 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-11-15 10:42 AM | Reply

"This is what I found that Trump said:"

Can you name ANY time Trump was "concerned with corruption" when it didn't directly involve a political rival?

And what's your takeaway from the fact Trump never mentioned corruption in the call with Zelensky, but brought up Biden three times?

#25 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-15 10:52 AM | Reply

#24 Are you implying that is not an impeachable statement?

#26 | Posted by JOE at 2019-11-15 10:55 AM | Reply

Yes, I am saying it's not impeachable because "do whatever you can" is so vague it doesn't have any meaning.

#27 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-11-15 10:59 AM | Reply

And what's your takeaway from the fact Trump never mentioned corruption in the call with Zelensky, but brought up Biden three times?

And in what context does the $391 million in defense funding for Ukraine's national hot war with Russia have anything to do with Hunter Biden's role as a board member of a privately-owned energy exploration and production company?

How would any "corruption" within this company's lease acquisitions (that occured years ago) be of importance to the US Government's geopolitical security stance with today's Ukrainian government?

#28 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-11-15 11:07 AM | Reply

#24 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

And this is what the DoJ said...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

"The president has not spoken with the attorney general about having Ukraine investigate anything relating to former Vice President Biden or his son," DOJ spokeswoman Kerri Kupec said. "The president has not asked the attorney general to contact Ukraine " on this or any other matter. The attorney general has not communicated with Ukraine " on this or any other subject. Nor has the attorney general discussed this matter, or anything relating to Ukraine, with Rudy Giuliani."

impeached for having the audacity of requesting Ukrainian help in the investigation of influence peddling by the Bidens.

#17 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

So... what investigation were they "requesting" Ukraine "help" in? And what specific "help" were they requesting? Keep in mind that the aid was already being withheld. How could Ukraine fulfill the terms of Trump's request if he doesn't specify what he wants? Or, as it looks like, did he just want the Ukrainians to give him anything they could find (dirt on Biden)?

This was a quid pro quo. But you are claiming that it was a legal one (Trump was withholding aid to further US policy). So, please explain the details. What, specifically, did Trump want to get from Ukraine in return for the aid, and explain WHY you think Ukraine would know what was required of them.

#29 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-11-15 11:08 AM | Reply

#27 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Being non-specific makes it more impeachable. If everything was above board, Trump (or Barr if he talked to them, which he has said he never did) would have been able to give details as to what they were looking for. If it is non-specific, you are basically saying "dig up some dirt", you don't really care what it is as long as it is damaging.

And we DO know what the specific "ask" ended up being. A public statement that Ukraine was investigating the Bidens. Why a public statement that Ukraine is investigating Trump's political opponent (it was scheduled to be released on CNN on September 13th)? In the US, we "don't comment on ongoing investigations". Why would Trump ask Ukraine to do something towards US citizens that the US government would not be allowed to do? And, as far as I have seen reported on, that is ALL that he asked of Ukraine. No legal or investigative cooperation. Just a PUBLIC statement.

How do you justify not seeing that as targeting his political rival? If he was targeting a political rival, would that be impeachable?

#30 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-11-15 11:15 AM | Reply

Chieftess Warren wanna put tax on any white-face who earn over one billion wumpum?

#11 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-11-15 03:39 AM | Reply | Flag: SAD

#31 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2019-11-15 01:25 PM | Reply

What's even more depressing is berserk doesn't realize how much theft is required for one to become a billionaire.

What's even more depressing is beserk thinks it's his personal duty to protect billionaires. Because he imagines they're benevolent human beings who earned their wealth.

The Republican Party has done an outstanding job of dumbing down their constituents and feeding them hate and ignorance.

Now they can sit back and let their pawns do their bidding.

#32 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-11-15 01:31 PM | Reply

So, what's "Plan A"?

#33 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-11-15 10:15 PM | Reply

>I'd take a cryptocommie over a cryptonazi any day of the week.
There are very few to no more living members of the national socialist german workers' party.
There are billions of commies left who are imprisoning and killing people, or at least making many others' lives miserable. Muslim Uyghurs in China would likely rather be under non-existent NSDAP rule than oppressed by chinese communists.
Why do present-day communists get a pass, while dead-and-gone fascist parties from 70+ years ago take all the heat?
Big think.

#34 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-11-15 10:25 PM | Reply

Almost? Almost?

So there was no crime!

He may have attempted to commit a crime but Humpy of the stable geniuses guild could never do such a thing as he is such a bumbling fool that he couldn't possibly pull something like that off.

Anyway.

Attempted murder is not a crime so how could attempting bribery or extortion be a crime??

Wait.. what's that? Attempted murder IS a crime?

Oh well, never mind.

Shifty Schiff won't let any of the Republican Party Officials ask questions and he won't let anyone with first hand knowledge testify so there! We will never know the truth.

What that? Humpy is the one obstructing justice? How can that be?? Humpy IS the Law!!

Article 2 says so!

What's that?

It does not say that?

Oh well never mind. Give me a minute. Let me check the Humpy talking points again.

#35 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-11-16 12:32 PM | Reply

"while dead-and-gone fascist parties from 70+ years ago take all the heat?"

Because, as everyone in the world (but you apparently) knows,

Any amount of Nazi's are too many Nazi's.

"The only good Nazi is a DEAD Nazi. "

-Lt Aldo Raines

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#36 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-11-16 12:37 PM | Reply

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