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President Trump intervened in three military justice cases involving war-crimes accusations Friday, issuing at least two pardons that will prevent the Pentagon from pursuing future charges against the individuals involved, according to one of their lawyers and a U.S. official.

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The service members involved were notified by Trump over the phone, said the U.S. official, speaking on the condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the issue. Army Maj. Mathew L. Golsteyn, who faced a murder trial scheduled to begin next year, took the phone call and was informed he would receive a full pardon, said his lawyer, Phillip Stackhouse.

The calls were made at the tail end of a day dominated by impeachment hearings against Trump, and after days of efforts by some senior Pentagon officials to change his mind, according to three U.S. officials. The officials, who also spoke on the condition of anonymity, said that some commanders have raised concerns that Trump's move will undermine the military justice system.

With each passing minute, Trump is showing over and over that he has zero respect for any law unless he fully agrees with them and they're being used to punish his perceived enemies. The congressional GOP has to end this mess before it gets completely out of hand. Pence will be President and likely have a much better chance of winning next fall than the increasingly uncontrollable dumpster fire of corruption and narcissism that Trump is.

Trump doesn't understand the law and doesn't respect the law and will continue to ignore and abuse the law until he's no longer able to. How much more damage will it take before the inevitable comes one way or another?

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-11-15 06:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

America now condones war crimes. This is a very very bad day.

#2 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-11-15 06:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

President Trump cleared three members of the armed services on Friday who have been accused or convicted of war crimes, overruling military leaders who had sought to punish them. All three have been championed by conservative lawmakers and commentators, who have portrayed them as war heroes unfairly prosecuted for actions taken in the heat and confusion of battle.

Mr. Trump announced that he was ordering the release of Clint Lorance, a former Army lieutenant, from the military prison at Fort Leavenworth, where he is serving a 19-year sentence for the murder of two civilians. He ordered the dropping of murder charges against Maj. Mathew L. Golsteyn, an Army Special Forces officer whose trial was scheduled for December. And he reversed the demotion of Chief Petty Officer Edward Gallagher, a Navy SEAL who was acquitted of murder charges but convicted of a lesser offense in a high-profile war crimes case over the summer.

The moves signaled that as commander in chief, Mr. Trump intends to use his power as the ultimate arbiter of military justice in ways unlike any other president in modern times.

www.nytimes.com

It would be one thing if he was acting on a principle outside of ego, blind partisanship, and hatred. But that is all he consists of, the incessant rage of victimhood when he's been afforded every privilege in life, most he never would have or could have earned.

#3 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-11-15 07:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

These people are only guilty of murdering innocent brown people.

Is that even a crime in the age of Trump?

#4 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-11-15 07:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

evil

#5 | Posted by hamburglar at 2019-11-15 08:43 PM | Reply

Trump Betrays the Military

His intervention in decisions about war crimes undermines the moral standing of the armed forces.

#6 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-11-15 09:38 PM | Reply

This makes Trump a war criminal

#7 | Posted by hamburglar at 2019-11-16 06:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Where are the ball polishers AndreaMackris, Nullifidian, Boaz, Iragoldberg, and Docnjo NOW?

#8 | Posted by e1g1 at 2019-11-16 08:47 AM | Reply

All part of Der Dotard's genius re-election strategy: collect enough ACTUAL deplorables who will support him because he supports their criminal/unethical/sinful activities and lives, and another four years in power is in the bag...

#9 | Posted by catdog at 2019-11-16 08:57 AM | Reply

Snuffing migrant toddlers at his concentration camps has given the dotard a feeling of kinship with war criminals.

#10 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2019-11-16 09:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

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White people can't be war criminals.

It's was really just a military mishap.

#11 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2019-11-16 10:49 AM | Reply

I hope these fellas know that Trump is going to collect on that favor sooner than later...

#12 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2019-11-16 10:50 AM | Reply

We need to study each case in their entirety **without** the TDS spin before rushing to judgement.

#13 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-11-16 11:54 AM | Reply

Trump could rape and murder a supporter's family on 5th Avenue and they'd still vote for him.

#14 | Posted by hamburglar at 2019-11-16 11:58 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

We need to study each case in their entirety **without** the TDS spin before rushing to judgement.

#13 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

Translation: we need to hear the Humpy spin before we can have an opinion.

I am curious. Why would YOU research anything?

Humpy has spoken. Are you actually thinking of questioning Humpy's Mist Wise and Stable decisions?

Are you having doubts about the Genius that is Humpy?

Better knock that off. For your own safety don't let the Eye of Humpy see you even think about questioning the Wit and Wisdom of The Stable Genius. ''

#15 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-11-16 12:21 PM | Reply

We need to study each case in their entirety **without** the TDS spin before rushing to judgement.

#13 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE AT 2019-11-16 11:54 AM | FLAG:

One ordered troops to fire on a Taliban motorcycle scout/spotter/messenger who was unarmed.

One shot a bomb marker after he had surrendered, he admitted it on Fox News and the subsequent investigation led to a premeditated murder charge.

The guy acquitted of murdering the wounded ISIS fighter was pardoned of a separate crime he was convicted of, posing with a dead enemy combatant.

#16 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-11-16 01:22 PM | Reply

#2 Only if you are white. All others will be prosecuted to the "full extent of the law".

#17 | Posted by fresno500 at 2019-11-16 01:28 PM | Reply

America now condones war crimes. This is a very very bad day.

#2 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER AT 2019-11-15 06:55 PM | FLAG:

The same people in this thread mad about the pardons, are the same people mad Trump didn't go hard enough committing war crimes. It's going to make a hilariously dark comedy one day.

#18 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-11-16 01:41 PM | Reply

It's going to make a hilariously dark comedy one day.

#18 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

One day?

The reality tv President is now showing the hilarious dark comedy called Humpy and the Giant Impeach right now. On practically every channel. 24/7/365.

It all Humpy all the time. Just like he wants it.

It's The Greatest Show on Earth!

Pass the popcorn please!

#19 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-11-16 01:51 PM | Reply

The same people in this thread mad about the pardons, are the same people mad Trump didn't go hard enough committing war crimes.
#18 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Citation necessary.

#20 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-11-16 02:47 PM | Reply

Leaving the Kurds high and dry wasn't a war crime, it was gross negligence and the sudden abandonment of our allies for favor from the Turkish president over his cheesy stupid Trump Towers Istanbul. Actually, that might fall under a war crime as well. Definitely despicable and deplorable.

#21 | Posted by hamburglar at 2019-11-16 04:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Trump should issue a pre-emptive pardon to Biden and Hunter.

#22 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-11-16 07:09 PM | Reply

What were the Pentagon's reasons for not pardoning those involved here?

#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-16 07:18 PM | Reply

@#21 .. the sudden abandonment of our allies...

Similar to the manner in which Pres Trump is abandoning another ally, Ukraine.

The Pres of Ukraine is looking at an upcoming meeting with Pres Putin, and we have left Pres Zelensky up the creek without a paddle.

Once again, Pres Trump is doing Pres Putin's bidding.

Pres Trump has severely weakened Pres Zelensky's negotiating position going into the meeting with Pres Putin. The same Pres Putin who is attacking an ally of ours, Ukraine.

Is this how we make America great again? By abandoning our democratic allies and embracing dictators?

#24 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-16 07:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

LAMP

"By abandoning our democratic allies and embracing dictators?"

That's been on Trump's bucket list from the beginning . . . clear the path for Russia's expansion.

The fact that Trump was too inept to carry it out (quietly) is beside the fact. He'll just move on to the next scheme. After all, Putin is holding his marker and time is running out.

BTW, Putin must be doing a head palm right now over his choice of such an incompetent partner-in-crime.

#25 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-11-16 09:02 PM | Reply

Officially accused of murder by the Army.

...

When I served we cycled these guys right out. When your whole unit turns against you, they give you the army psych test. The to that is no. Nobody wants to fight beside you. You are more of a danger than the enemy is.

#26 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-11-17 12:41 PM | Reply

#25 Hey, look! It's an insane person that still believes in RussiaHoax. My God. You where joking, right?

#27 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-11-17 01:53 PM | Reply

Trump loves criminals. He hires the best criminals.

#28 | Posted by bored at 2019-11-17 02:24 PM | Reply

We need to study each case in their entirety **without** the TDS spin before rushing to judgement.

#13 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE AT 2019-11-16 11:54 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

At least two of them were extensively reported on. I, and others, posted stories.

#29 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-11-17 03:19 PM | Reply

"One shot a bomb marker after he had surrendered, he admitted it on Fox News and the subsequent investigation led to a premeditated murder charge."

Trumeprs don't see a crime there.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-17 03:22 PM | Reply

What were the Pentagon's reasons for not pardoning those involved here?
#23 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2019-11-16 07:18 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

It's a danger to every fighting member of the armed forces. It's also illegal.

#31 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-11-18 12:21 AM | Reply

It's a danger to every fighting member of the armed forces. It's also illegal.

#31 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

Doesn't matter. Welcome to post-law-and-order America.

"A Republic, if you can keep it." -- Ben Franklin

#32 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-11-18 11:10 AM | Reply

We need to study each case in their entirety **without** the TDS spin before rushing to judgement.

Study this you miserable POS.

Clint Lorance ordered two of his soldiers to go up into a tower and shoot harassing fire in the general direction of villagers. Hearing the shots, the Troop TOC radioed for a report. Lorance instructed a noncommissioned officer to respond by falsely reporting the Strong Point was receiving fire.

During a patrol, PFC Skelton called out to Lorance that he observed a motorcycle with three passengers. PFC Skelton did not report any hostile actions, but simply that he spotted a motorcycle with three passengers in his field of view. Lorance did not ask whether the motorcycle passengers were presenting any threat. Lorance ordered PFC Skelton to engage the motorcycle. PFC Skelton complied and fired his weapon, but missed. At trial, PFC Skelton testified that he would not have fired upon the motorcycle or its passengers on his own, because "there was no reason to shoot at that moment in time that presented a clear, definitive hostile intent and hostile act."

"Apparently in response to the impact of PFC Skelton's rounds, the motorcycle stopped, the male passengers dismounted and began walking in the direction of the ANA unit. The ANA soldiers did not open fire, but rather gesticulated to the men, who then headed back to their motorcycle. As the three men returned to the motorcycle, Lorance, over his portable radio, ordered the platoon's gun truck to engage the men. Private E-2 (PV2) Shiloh, the gunner on the 240 machine gun in the gun truck that had overwatch of the patrol, had continuous observation of the victims from after the first set of shots by PFC Skelton. Upon receiving appellant's order, Private Shiloh fired his weapon, killing two of the riders and wounding the third. The third victim ran away into the village. Prior to the engagement, the victims had no observable weapons or radios, and were not displaying any hostility toward U.S. or Afghan forces. According to PV2 Shiloh, the only reason he engaged the men was because he was ordered to do so by Lorance. Following the engagement, the two deceased victims were on the ground, and the motorcycle was standing up, kickstand still down. Upon learning that the motorcycle was still standing, Appellant ordered PV2 Shiloh to engage and disable the motorcycle. PV2 Shiloh refused this order, noting that a young boy was nearby.

The fact that the surviving victim was linked to hostile action against U.S. forces only after his compatriots were killed illustrates that Lorance's actions directly resulted in a significant adverse impact on the mission of the command. This is also supported by detailed defense counsel's affidavit when he discussed his rationale for being unable to make a site visit. That is, after the village elder was killed in this incident, the area became so kinetic that U.S. forces withdrew from there altogether.

www.jagcnet.army.mil

#33 | Posted by JOE at 2019-11-18 11:38 AM | Reply

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