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Friday, November 15, 2019

An official from the United States Embassy in Kiev confirmed to House impeachment investigators on Friday that he overheard a call between President Trump and a top American diplomat in July in which the president inquired about investigations he wanted from Ukraine, according to three people familiar with the testimony. The official, David Holmes, testified privately that he was at a restaurant in Ukraine's capital when he heard Trump during a cellphone call loudly asking Gordon D. Sondland, the American ambassador to the European Union, if Ukraine's president had agreed to conduct investigations into his political rivals.

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Mr. Sondland told Mr. Trump that President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine "loves your ass," and would conduct the investigations and "anything you ask him to," according to two of the people, who described his testimony on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to publicly discuss it.

After the call ended, Mr. Holmes asked it if was true that the president did not care about Ukraine, the people said. The ambassador replied that Mr. Trump cared only about the "big stuff," like investigations that his personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani was pushing for, because they affected him personally.

"And when the bough breaks, the cradle will fall and down will come baby, cradle and all."

GOP, reality is calling. Are you going to answer before Trump destroys your party forever?

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-11-15 07:22 PM | Reply

David Holmes' Opening Statement

#2 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-11-15 07:29 PM | Reply

Are you going to answer before Trump destroys your party forever?

Once the Senate acquits they will gloat that OJ never killed anyone in the first place.

#3 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-11-15 08:41 PM | Reply

B B But it was just one phone call!

-cult of morons

#4 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-11-15 08:57 PM | Reply

Jim Acosta @Acosta

A source familiar with WH discussions said aides to the president are not happy that Sondland apparently shared his call with Trump with others: "the president speaks loudly. Sondland should know that."

#5 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-11-15 09:05 PM | Reply

"the president speaks loudly. Sondland should know that."

Whoopsie! It hasn't yet dawned on righties yet that Gordon Sondland may very well end the presidency of Donald J. Trump next week.

And there were 2 more embassy witnesses to the call that heard the same thing. Sondland can't lie now.

I'm having a hard time imagining how Trump can spin this, the ish is knee deep. Sooner or later it will finally dawn on his supporters that the sequence of unquestionably corrupt/anti-American acts which they're willing to ignore or innocently explain away is simultaneously rotting away executive adherence to laws and constitutional checks and balances.

It's not personal when the person is breaking the law in broad daylight while everyone is looking while claiming what they're doing isn't actually breaking the law, it's criminal.

#6 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-11-15 09:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Sooner or later it will finally dawn on his supporters that the sequence of unquestionably corrupt/anti-American acts which they're willing to ignore or innocently explain away is simultaneously rotting away executive adherence to laws and constitutional checks and balances."

A reasonable expectation, yet highly unlikely.

#7 | Posted by Angrydad at 2019-11-15 09:54 PM | Reply

Whats the quick run down on Biden's alleged misdeeds anyways? Even though I'm not the orange cheeto I as an American would like to understand what he was dealing with Ukraine for. It's probably something altruistic since he was king Obama's VP but I want to make sure before voting in the primaries.

#8 | Posted by mutant at 2019-11-15 10:21 PM | Reply

Whats the quick run down on Biden's alleged misdeeds anyways? Even though I'm not the orange cheeto I as an American would like to understand what he was dealing with Ukraine for. It's probably something altruistic since he was king Obama's VP but I want to make sure before voting in the primaries.

#8 | Posted by mutant

Literally nothing.

He executed the official US and international policy of getting a corrupt prosecutor removed. A prosecutor who was NOT looking into his son's company. If he was trying to protect his son, he would want that prosecutor to stay.

#9 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-11-15 11:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The prime problem with the attack on Trump is that recording of Ol' Footinmouth Biden's boast, on tape, seen by millions.
Ukraine is the wild west, public offices are used as cudgels against political opposition. Add to this these political guys have armies, paid for by funds from every clandestine source imaginable. Fortunately they are also in a low intensity war with Russia. They seldom fight each other. Corruption on all levels and abuse of power in the judiciary is not an exception. Add to this 70% of the petroleum exports from Russia travel through Ukraine and the only ice free port available to them is part of the country they invaded.

#10 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-11-16 07:50 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

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"Ukraine is the wild west, public offices are used as cudgels against political opposition"

#10 | Posted by docnjo at 201

The irony of this staggers.

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-16 08:48 AM | Reply

A source familiar with WH discussions said aides to the president are not happy that Sondland apparently shared his call with Trump with others: "the president speaks loudly. Sondland should know that."

#5 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-11-15 09:05 PM

After to hearing the story it was obvious to me that Mr. Sondland was showing off. You know, like Donald Trump likes to show off? Two criminals bragging about their crimes. Old story.

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-16 08:51 AM | Reply

If it appeared that Biden stopped an investigation with a billion dollars in aid in the balance, into his son's employer, Trump, believe it or not, is required to investigate by law.
The Shift show still stumbles along losing interest daily. The clown car of Democrat candidates still lurch along looking more similar as time passes. They all say the same ting, oppose the same things, support the same things. No one much is inspired or takes much interest. They look lilliputian compared to the damn Yankee.

#13 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-11-16 09:14 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Doc, please re-read post 9 until the truth sinks into your thick skull. People like you are the very reason why Trump and his supporters traffic in easily disproved lies. Once you're told a falsehood you're loathe to let actual truth interfere with belief.

Have you ever asked yourself why Trump has ordered US government personnel to refuse congressional subpoenas that compel the release of documents and in-person testimony before Congress if indeed everything that Trump has done is completely within his rights as President? Wouldn't these people provide exculpatory evidence that would decisively exonerate Trump from the Democrat's scurrilous accusations of wrongdoing that never occurred?

Bottom line, is Trump acting like any innocent person accused of wrongdoing that you've ever believed at any point in your life prior to now?

#14 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-11-16 09:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Trump, believe it or not, is required to investigate by law.

#13 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-11-16 09:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

Evidence Trump is worried about corruption is very, very, very lacking.

#15 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-16 09:26 AM | Reply

#14 | Posted by tonyroma

They know Trump is dirty, TONY. They are long past the point where they care.

#16 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-16 09:27 AM | Reply

In the New World these people seek a president is overtly allowed to be corrupt for as long as he does three or four things in office they see as essential.

#17 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-16 09:30 AM | Reply

"If it appeared that Biden stopped an investigation with a billion dollars in aid in the balance, into his son's employer, Trump, believe it or not, is required to investigate by law."

Shokin, the former Ukrainian prosecutor, who Biden, on behalf of the Obama administration, helped get ousted, wasn't investigating Burisma. In fact, Shokin refused to cooperate with British authorities who were. As was explained during yesterday's testimony, ousting the corrupt prosecutor Shokin and having him replaced with a non-corrupt prosecutor would actually have increased the likelihood that Burisma would be investigated.

#18 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-11-16 09:33 AM | Reply

Why Was Ukraine's Top Prosecutor Fired?

Daria Kaleniuk, executive director of the Kyiv-based Anti-Corruption Action Center (AntAC), told RFE/RL that Shokin "dumped important criminal investigations on corruption associated with [former President Viktor] Yanukovych, including the Burisma case."

"Ironically, Joe Biden asked Shokin to leave because the prosecutor failed [to pursue] the Burisma investigation, not because Shokin was tough and active with this case," Kaleniuk said.

www.rferl.org

#19 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-11-16 09:37 AM | Reply

I Wrote About the Bidens and Ukraine Years Ago. Then the Right-Wing Spin Machine Turned the Story Upside Down.

[T]he British money-laundering investigation was stymied by Ukrainian prosecutors' refusal to cooperate. The Ukrainian prosecutors would not turn over documents needed in the British investigation, and without that documentary evidence, a British court ordered Britain's Serious Fraud Office to unfreeze the assets.

theintercept.com

A Republican Conspiracy Theory About a Biden-in-Ukraine Scandal Has Gone Mainstream. But It Is Not True.

"Shokin was fired," Kaleniuk observed, "because he failed to do investigations of corruption and economic crimes of President Yanukovych and his close associates, including Zlochevsky, [owner of Burisma]and basically it was the big demand within society in Ukraine, including our organization and many other organizations, to get rid of this guy."

theintercept.com

#20 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-11-16 09:44 AM | Reply

#19 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday or you could say Burisma's hiring an individual's entire resume qualified him for nothing except failing drug tests could be construed as a "hands off" or "get out of jail free card". I know people, even officers that have received general discharges for coming up hot, they didn't get paid a million a year for doing nothing. They worked at part's stores or bused tables. But their daddy wasn't the vice president of the United States.

#21 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-11-16 09:54 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

A legitimate investigation into Burisma and the Bidens could have been/should have been conducted through proper channels, i.e., through DOJ reaching out to Ukrainian prosecutors, and not through Rudy and his dubious co-horts embarking on a pseudo-James Bond mission.

#22 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-11-16 10:02 AM | Reply

No one has ever denied that Hunter Biden was hired for the board because of precisely who he was and the impression he would give the world about Burisma.

However, there is nothing against the law for a private company to pay board members whatever they want to unless laws are broken as Ukraine's prosecutor has unequivocally publicly stated. Hunter's qualifications (or lack thereof) are only an issue for Burisma, they are not a criminal matter in Ukraine or the US.

One of the other new (at that time) board members chosen by Burisma was the former President of Poland, a renowned anti-corruption advocate that himself personally recruited Biden's business partner, who in-turn recruited Hunter.

#23 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-11-16 10:09 AM | Reply

No one has ever denied that Hunter Biden was hired for the board because of precisely who he was and the impression he would give the world about Burisma.

Do you deny there were concerns within the Obama administration about impropriety?

#24 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-16 10:13 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Do you deny there were concerns within the Obama administration about impropriety?

Why would I deny something that is already on the record? However, your implication isn't quite correct. The concerns of those within the Obama government were related to the appearance of possible conflict of interest, not that there was any definitively proven impropriety.

And again, Hunter getting paid is not an impropriety nor any violation of law in the US or Ukraine.

#25 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-11-16 10:26 AM | Reply

Trump, believe it or not, is required to investigate by law.

#13 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

Oh good. That is convenient. Impeach him, then lock him up.

Trump did not open an investigation into the Bidens. The DoJ said in a statement that Barr had not talked to Ukraine at all about the Bidens. So, according to you, the Trump administration broke the law because they did not in fact open a US investigation into the supposed wrongdoing committed by the Bidens.

How do we impeach for that? Does it fall under "high crimes and misdemeanors"?

#26 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-11-16 10:37 AM | Reply

#21 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

Is it illegal to hire someone "unqualified"?

Hunter Biden's hiring was sketchy, and possibly unethical. So? Conservatives do unethical things all the time. But, the difference is that they are elected or appointed members of our government, being paid with American tax dollars while Hunter Biden was paid with private (non-American) money.

For example, Sondland has no qualifications to be an ambassador. He got the position (with a taxpayer funded salary) solely because he gave a lot of money to Trump's campaign. If you are so concerned about people being unqualified, why don't aren't you concerned about the unqualified people that CURRENTLY have jobs IN OUR GOVERNMENT?

Because you don't care about that. You approve of Trump abusing his office to try to embarrass his political opponents. So you want to deflect from and defend Trump with BS where there is no sign of illegality by Hunter Biden, and no sign of even impropriety by Joe Biden.

Investigate? What is there to investigate? Nothing illegal was done. If you want to pass legislation that MAKES it illegal, feel free to try. But I don't think you will have much luck, considering the sheer volume of the SAME impropriety that your president's kids are CURRENTLY engaged in.

#27 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-11-16 10:58 AM | Reply

26 | Posted by gtbritishskull, collective responsibility vs. individual responsibility. POTUS has overall responsibility for everything the executive branch does, but it is a agency within the dept. of justice that looks into the behavior of Americans overseas which has direct legal authority. Can the chief executive task anyone qualified to do an investigation? Yes, you might not like it but it is the prerogative of the president. As far as it goes, the former mayor cut his teeth putting mafiosi in prison forever.
Biden is toast, as I was often told "appearances are everything",perhaps Biden didn't do anything illegal, allowing your offspring to work for big bucks in another country isn't illegal. It is the gray area of nepotism. But it makes Biden look elitist and unfair.

#28 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-11-16 11:07 AM | Reply

Biden is toast, as I was often told "appearances are everything"

#28 | Posted by docnjo at

OK. So why isn't Trump also toast?

#29 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-16 11:11 AM | Reply

Donald Trump swims in a sea of "appearances". I suppose his political career must be over unless he is over unless he is supported by people to whom "appearances" mean nothing at all. Unless it's Joe Biden.

#30 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-16 11:17 AM | Reply

Donald Trump swims in a sea of "appearances". I suppose his political career must be over unless he is supported by people to whom "appearances" mean nothing at all. Unless it's Joe Biden.

#31 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-16 11:17 AM | Reply

And again, Hunter getting paid is not an impropriety nor any violation of law in the US or Ukraine.
#25 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Read a comment the other day about foreign aid. Went along the lines of,
'Politicians have been laundering our tax dollars called 'foreign aid' back to themselves through family, friends and corporate donations.
Now, I have no proof of this, but things that I read in the news don't prove that it isn't happening.
It certainly wouldn't hurt to prove that it isn't happening.

#32 | Posted by 6thPersona at 2019-11-16 11:28 AM | Reply

overheard a phone call in a restaurant, OMG

1. what time was this? dinner time?

2 How many people were in the restaurant?

3. was the restaurant noisy?

4. Was your table next to Trump?

5. was your table across the room from Trump?

6. How far was your Table from Trump?

7. Was your back to Trump during this phone call?

8. was Trump's back to you during this phone call?

9. were you by yourself?

10. if someone was with you can they collaborate?

etc... easy

#33 | Posted by Maverick at 2019-11-16 11:33 AM | Reply

#33 | Posted by Maverick

Most of those questions were answered in the witness deposition given yesterday.

#34 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-16 11:45 AM | Reply

Can the chief executive task anyone qualified to do an investigation? Yes,

#28 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

Who did he task to do it? Barr knows nothing about it. Are you claiming he can "task" the President of Ukraine to do it? Or his personal attorney? Do they have an obligation to respect the Constitutional Rights of American citizens? If Giuliani or the President of Ukraine violate someone's constitutional rights, are you saying Trump is responsible?

#35 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-11-16 11:55 AM | Reply

Giuliani or the President of Ukraine are subject to Ukrainian law if the investigation is done in Ukraine. If you travel a bit to other countries you learn that your rights end at the border. Doubt that and I'll give you a few examples where if you behaved as you would in the states, you would end up behind bars. Law enforcement within the federal government is overseen by the Dept. of Justice.

#36 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-11-16 01:04 PM | Reply

#36 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

So, you are saying the president can "task" foreign Nationals, or "task" Americans as long as those Americans do it in foreign countries, to investigate other Americans without having to respect those Americans' constitutional rights?

Can other government institutions do the same thing? Can the FBI open an office in another country and then back into Americans' computers without a warrant? What about the CIA? Why was them "spying on Americans" such a big deal, when they could have simply just made sure the person doing the "spying" was doing it while located in a foreign country?

That is a loophole big enough to sail the Titanic through. Apparently Doc thinks that we have no constitutional rights of privacy from the government as long as they find things over the internet.

#37 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-11-16 01:42 PM | Reply

To be clear, you claimed that Trump has the right to outsource ("task") investigations to foreign countries, and that Americans being investigated under that "tasking" have no constitutional rights that have to be respected by the investigators Trump initiated.

#38 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-11-16 01:45 PM | Reply

"If you travel a bit to other countries you learn that your rights end at the border."

I guess this little deplorable has never heard of diplomatic immunity.

#39 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-11-16 01:53 PM | Reply

It's probably something altruistic since he was king Obama's VP but I want to make sure before voting in the primaries.

#8 | POSTED BY MUTANT

Nice cultist projection.

Does the pathetic level of stupid hurt?

#40 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-16 03:05 PM | Reply

Marie Yovanovitch admits Obama admin prepped her on Hunter Biden

NEW YORK POST:

Former US Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch testified Friday that the Obama administration was so concerned about Hunter Biden's job on Burisma's board of directors that she was asked prep questions about the issue by White House staffers before her 2016 Senate confirmation.

In response to questions from GOP counsel Stephen Castor, Yovanovitch testified at the House Intelligence Committee's second public impeachment hearing that she had been informed about the lucrative gig Hunter Biden landed with the petroleum producer " which paid the son of then-Vice President Joe Biden as much as $50,000 a month despite his seeming lack of relevant experience " but took no action when she arrived at her post.

#41 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-11-16 04:21 PM | Reply

but took no action when she arrived at her post.

#41 | POSTED BY SNIPER

What "action" do you think she should have taken? I have seen no indication that Hunter Biden did anything illegal. What are you proposing that the US ambassador could do about a private citizen engaging in actions, in a foreign country, that SEEM potentially unethical?

#42 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-11-16 05:43 PM | Reply

#39 | Posted by donnerboy If you knew anything, you might be dangerous. Diplomatic immunity is limited to Diplomats and their credentials have to be accepted by the host country. Hunter Biden was not a diplomat nor did he possess a diplomatic passport. Additionally any one who does can be expelled by becoming "persona non grata", for any reason, or none at all.

#43 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-11-16 08:13 PM | Reply

"Diplomatic immunity is limited to Diplomats and their credentials have to be accepted by the host country."

Very good. So laws DO exist to protect us outside our borders. International Laws and treaties.

Now. If you are foolish or brave enough to go to a country that does not recognize international laws and treaties.

Well that's in you.

And you best be rich or well connected or have your own protection force.

( law of the jungle)

Gosh. I wish I knew something. .. anything!

Then I could be frightened of the Bidens of the world all the time. Like you.

#44 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-11-17 11:57 AM | Reply

All the traitors in the Russiapublican Party are lining up the wagons and standing out in the open. They are too stupid to formulate even a plausible defense (hint, you're supposed to circle the wagons, morons). Their idiot horde is flailing around parroting the utterly ridiculous attempts at hiding the obvious.

It's pathetic.

#45 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-11-17 05:53 PM | Reply

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