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Friday, November 15, 2019

Ohio's state House of Representatives has passed a bill that some critics fear could require teachers to accept faith-based answers on school assignments even if those responses are contradicted by scientific facts.

The Ohio Student Religious Liberties Act of 2019, which passed the state House 61-31 on Wednesday, generally seeks to protect public school students' right to express their faith on school grounds. But one controversial aspect of the proposed legislation is receiving scrutiny for dictating that schools can't "penalize or reward a student based on the religious content of a student's work."

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stupid is the law

#1 | Posted by hamburglar at 2019-11-15 08:38 PM | Reply

The dumbing down of America continues at an accelerated rate.

#2 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-11-15 08:41 PM | Reply

#1, #2 I've faced this very same bias myself, in biology class.

Do not be so naive as to believe that we here on Earth are either the first nor the last to tread this globe - nor that the bulk of light and matter walks alone.

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#3 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-11-16 01:02 AM | Reply

Why do people insist on lying with the headline? The law says that you get neither credit nor penalty for religious portions of answers. Instead, you are only credited with answers that are correct in accordance with the instruction.

ex. If the geology question is 'How old is the Earth', and the student replies that the Earth is 6k years old according to their religious teaching and 4.5B years old according to scientific teaching, then the religious portion is stripped out for grading purposes.

If the student only answers that the earth is 6k years old, that religious part is still stripped out for grading purposes making the question unanswered.

#4 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-11-16 09:12 AM | Reply

"Why do people insist on lying with the headline? If the student only answers that the earth is 6k years old, that religious part is still stripped out for grading purposes making the question unanswered."

IOW, the factual error isn't counted against them it's not marked as a wrong answer. So if a non-religious person were wrong on the same question of ten, they'd get a 9/10, while the religious person, 9/9.

Two kids, same answers, one gets 90%, one gets 100%. Headline is correct.

#5 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-16 10:06 AM | Reply

IOW, the factual error isn't counted against them it's not marked as a wrong answer. So if a non-religious person were wrong on the same question of ten, they'd get a 9/10, while the religious person, 9/9.
Two kids, same answers, one gets 90%, one gets 100%. Headline is correct. - #5 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-16 10:06 AM

I'm not sure what school you went to where not answering a question meant they just disregarded the question on your grades, but it certainly explains a lot.
Most people, like the schools in Ohio, do not give credit for unanswered questions, but they also don't pretend they didn't exist. In your example student A gets 9/10 as does student B.

Student A answers 9 questions in accordance with the class text, they get 90%. If student B answers 9 questions in accordance with the class text, they also get a 90%, even if they answered the 10th question in accordance with their religious teachings. No answers of a religious nature are considered in getting credit. Hell, if the student correctly stated the earth's age at 4.5B and was wrong about their religious teaching (say they put 4.5k years), they would only get credit for the part that was based on the class teachings.

Headline is a lie.

#6 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-11-16 10:31 AM | Reply

"they also get a 90%, even if they answered the 10th question in accordance with their religious teachings."

Then what changes in the law? If nothing, the law is meaningless.

"No answers of a religious nature are considered in getting credit"

Or punishment. At least finish the sentence. If they "answer...in accordance with their religious teachings", and it's marked wrong, why wouldn't the student have a valid complaint under the new law?

#7 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-16 10:43 AM | Reply

"I'm not sure what school you went to where not answering a question meant they just disregarded the question on your grades, but it certainly explains a lot. "

What other name(s) have you posted under on the Drudge Retort?

#8 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-16 10:51 AM | Reply

I think you've asked me that before. I am Avigdore (real name is Victor). I don't believe I've posted on here as any other name.

Sec. 3320.03. No school district board of education, governing authority of a community school established under Chapter 3314. of the Revised Code, governing body of a STEM school established under Chapter 3326. of the Revised Code, or board of trustees of a college-preparatory boarding school established under Chapter 3328. of the Revised Code shall prohibit a student from engaging in religious expression in the completion of homework, artwork, or other written or oral assignments. Assignment grades and scores shall be calculated using ordinary academic standards of substance and relevance, including any legitimate pedagogical concerns, and shall not penalize or reward a student based on the religious content of a student's work.

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Headline is a lie.

Then what changes in the law? If nothing, the law is meaningless. - #7 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-16 10:43 AM
Occam's razor says that either students were being penalized for giving both the scientific and religious answers correctly, or the Ohio legislature wanted to make sure that never happens.

#9 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-11-16 11:09 AM | Reply

"Assignment grades and scores shall be calculated using ordinary academic standards of substance and relevance, including any legitimate pedagogical concerns, and shall not penalize or reward a student based on the religious content of a student's work."

IOW, the law is toothless, and just a Kabuki charade for the unaware. Well...at least that's some good news.

#10 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-16 11:13 AM | Reply

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--What other name(s) have you posted under on the Drudge Retort?

*drink*

#11 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-16 11:15 AM | Reply

Good to see you here Nulli.

Have you finally got an answer as to why flora and fauna are migrating northward, or are you still afraid to address me directly?

#12 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-16 11:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--flora and fauna

*drink*

#13 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-16 11:20 AM | Reply

#13

Two drinks before 8:30am? I think we've found the source of your brain rot.

But since I have your attention, how do you reconcile your desire for less dependence on China with your support for an additional $2.3 Trillion in borrowing, which will undoubtedly increase our dependence on China?

#14 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-16 11:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

*Drink*
It's Saturday sports day!

#15 | Posted by hamburglar at 2019-11-16 01:09 PM | Reply

If the student only answers that the earth is 6k years old, that religious part is still stripped out for grading purposes making the question unanswered.

#4 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Which means points off, ie penalized.

If they answer 6k years old they should be penalized.

They're in science class, not religious nutter class.

#16 | Posted by Jpw at 2019-11-16 03:32 PM | Reply

Poor Dulli, the butt of jokes these days.

He's a shill(sp) of his former self....

#17 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-16 09:31 PM | Reply

What other name(s) have you posted under on the Drudge Retort?

#8 | Posted by Danforth

AVIGDORE = GOATMAN

Thought everyone knew that... it's so pathetically obvious.

DUH!

#18 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-11-17 12:39 AM | Reply

AVIGDORE = GOATMAN

Not based on their posting styles.

ABIGBORE usually says his piece and leaves, perhaps a few retorts.

Goatman was OCD and had to get the last word in. But he'd make sure that last word was aggressively trollish as to goad whoever he was trolling into responding. Also, I doubt Goat would create a sock puppet account. His pride wouldn't allow it.

All that said. There was a period of time I believed AVIGDORE was ANDREAMACKRIS.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-11-17 01:02 AM | Reply

Not based on their posting styles.

He is restraining himself. I have seen a level of restraint in him that might seem atypical at first glance.

Can't make things too obvious, can we?

But it's him.

He has been freed from prison yet still not here is he? That's him showing his restraint... so he is clearly capable of it. But that restraint is the also the restraint of a 5 year old because he still couldn't resist posting as ABIGBORE.

#20 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-11-17 01:39 AM | Reply

There was a period of time I believed AVIGDORE was ANDREAMACKRIS.

Either way... you know it, I know it, ABIGBORE is SOMEONE's sock puppet.

Case closed.

#21 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-11-17 01:41 AM | Reply

Do note the nitpicking that starts from post #4.....

Stopped it before it became too obvious but started out exactly the same.

#22 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-11-17 01:45 AM | Reply

#4 does read like a goatman post.

Who knows.

#23 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-11-17 01:49 AM | Reply

But he'd make sure that last word was aggressively trollish as to goad whoever he was trolling into responding.

Yes, feed forward schit posting was Goat's forte.

I don't think avigdore is Goat's sock puppet.

#24 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-17 04:25 AM | Reply

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