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Friday, November 15, 2019

Former President Barack Obama, in an address to liberal donors, warned candidates not to go too far left and sought to calm those who were concerned about the state of the Democratic primary.

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"Obama should just become a Republican, because Republicans are always against tearing down the system." - Pinche.oaf

#1 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-11-15 09:54 PM | Reply

Obama should just become a Republican

He isn't one?

#2 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-11-15 10:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"The average American doesn't think we have to completely tear down the system and remake it."

-Barack Obama

But what an irony! Mr Obama is where he is because of the destruction of an age old American system (segregation) and remade into something different(integration). The passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and then the subsequent Civil Rights of 1968 because of the race riots and various other forms of discrimination that were rampant in the USA. I remember in the late 60's when inner city race riots were commonplace. The country was in flames. Many African-Americans that lived during those days call it "The Revolution"

#3 | Posted by shane at 2019-11-15 10:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Barry Soetoro is CANCELED

#4 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-11-15 10:43 PM | Reply

Clueless Obama is telling rich Democratic Party donors what they want to hear, but rank and file Democrats want action on issues that will improve their lives.

Obama admits he's a Republican
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If those wealthy Democratic Party donors don't want to be the progressive "Party of the People", then they should become Republicans with the rest of the right-wing Plutocrats.

#5 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-11-15 11:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Obama Says Average American Doesn't Want to 'Tear Down System'

That's what got trump elected you sellout

America elected you to fight back against the bankers. Instead you hired them into your whitehouse. They were so disappointed and desperate for real change that they voted for a reality tv show con man.

#6 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-11-15 11:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Obama Says Average American Doesn't Want to 'Tear Down System'

That's what got trump elected you sellout

America elected you to fight back against the bankers. Instead you hired them into your whitehouse. They were so disappointed and desperate for real change that they voted for a reality tv show con man.

#6 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

QFT

#7 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-11-15 11:39 PM | Reply

Not the average American, but the average DRLeft poster does

#8 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-15 11:40 PM | Reply

#5, right on cue. LOL

#6, If you really can't see what a stark difference there was between Clinton and Obama, and how the qualities of his that she lacked played a much bigger role in her losing to Trump, there's probably nothing I can say to convince you. If want to watch the world burn, maybe you should start with your own house, literally.

#9 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-11-15 11:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Democrat party cannot move forward until they have the same 'Come to Jesus' moment with Obama as the GOP did with W. Bush. Basically, they need to admit that Obama was a giant disaster for the country, for their party, and for black Americans that were promised change. The horrid black turnout for Hillary was partial because she is deplorable - but a huge % of that was black Americans kind of giving up on the political process after Obama failed to accomplish anything that made their lives better.

The GOP had this same problem - McCain and Romney did not have the balls and/or brains to admit that W Bush was a disaster for the country on every level. Only Trump would take the position that Bush was horrible and Iraq was a giant mistake. After that, it made it unnecessary for Trump to defend party line attacks on Bush or regime change wars just because you want to defend the 'party'.

For Dems, they don't have the balls/brains to just admit that Barry was a disaster and accomplished none of the progressive goals that they want to achieve. Until the do, they will not win back the trust of their base - and they don't deserve that trust now.

The Dems had a partial awakening with Hillary with the outpouring of comments telling her not to run in 2020. If they had that kind of candor in 2016, Trump might not be president now.

#10 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-15 11:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

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"The horrid black turnout for Hillary was partial because she is deplorable - but a huge % of that was black Americans kind of giving up on the political process after Obama failed to accomplish anything that made their lives better."

It was far more because she was a deplorable candidate, who literally barked like a dog.

#11 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-11-16 12:00 AM | Reply

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They were so disappointed that they elected him a second time... and if you think he wouldn't win this time were he able to run.... then I have some swamp lan... er, real estate down here in FL you should look at.

Progressive policy is not radical change; by definition it is "happening or developing gradually or in stages; proceeding step by step.".

Most voters want progressive change, not radical change; they want better health care, but not starting with taking away their employer-based benefits, economic fairness, but not burning down the bank that holds their mortgage.

People are willing to be led in a progressive direction, unless of course they are threatened with particularly disruptive radical change.

Trump duped rwingers, which was easy enough, and some moderates who thought he was "anti-establishment" when in reality he was and is as establishment as most international business owners are; totally self-concerned.

As long as the far left, where my ideals are, keeps confusing their own views on tactics of how to get to real change with those acceptable to most voters, they will continue to take two steps back for each step forward they make.

Most voters, as every poll shows, agree with the major policy goals of liberals and progressives. What they don't agree with is radical change they don't understand or when haven't been shown realistic numbers and plans to reach those goals.

Bernie did no one any favor last time with half-baked, GOP-esque "magical growth" fuzzy math rather than solid economic plans that achieve realistic results, along with realistic tactics to turn them into legislation.

Maybe this time he or Warren will have real plans... or even Biden who would actually eventually get the the same goals just using slower, more acceptable tactics.

I hope Bernie or Warren *or both are successful, but cutting off one's nose *see: Obama, to spite one's face, *see liberal goals, is just more puritanical myopia.

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-16 12:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The lefties are saying Obama is equivalent to Trump. Then why not another 4 years of Trump?

#13 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-11-16 12:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Obama was a giant disaster for the country,"

Oh, FFS, are you doing that Republican Math thing again?

Look at the economy Obama was handed. Look at the economy he handed off. If you need more than that, you're a moron.

#14 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-16 12:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#14, in this case he's obviously trolling and doesn't believe the crap he's spewing. He's "agreeing" with Pincheloaf and SpeaksOftly because they're promoting a losing strategy.

#15 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-11-16 12:17 AM | Reply

Lots of leftists will equate Obama and Trump. It sounds like a good argument for Trump. They make it seem like a matter of style but the policies are the same.

That's their choice to do that.

#16 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-11-16 12:20 AM | Reply

Look at the economy Obama was handed.

And then Obama piled on with ObamaCare ....

Slowed growth down to a crawl.

#17 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-16 12:23 AM | Reply

Lots of leftists will equate Obama and Trump.

I agree they are similar!

#18 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-16 12:24 AM | Reply

#5, right on cue. LOL

#6, If you really can't see what a stark difference there was between Clinton and Obama, and how the qualities of his that she lacked played a much bigger role in her losing to Trump, there's probably nothing I can say to convince you. If want to watch the world burn, maybe you should start with your own house, literally.

#9 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Neoliberalism is just a fancy word for corporatism, privatization, unfettered capitalism and globalization.

Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are the perfect examples of selling out ordinary Americans for neoliberal policies -- and Hillary wanted to do the same ...

Clinton Might Be Moving Toward Social Security Privatization
www.forbes.com

But I get it, you don't know jack ----.

#19 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-11-16 12:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Slowed growth down to a crawl."

If that's the case, remind us all what had George W. Bush done in comparison? Don't forget to compare the economy Dubya was handed to the economy Dubya handed off. If you need anything more than that, you're a moron.

#20 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-16 12:38 AM | Reply

Average Americans enjoy getting shot in 5he back.

#21 | Posted by fresno500 at 2019-11-16 12:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

>Lots of leftists will equate Obama and Trump
my rhetoric is being adopted by leftists now, and it's taking over this rat colony.
You will all obey me, whether or not you know it.

#22 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-11-16 12:43 AM | Reply

Look at the economy Obama was handed. Look at the economy he handed off.

#14 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Bush blew up the world's economy, and then bailed out Wall Street.

Then Obama continued bailing out Wall Street instead of prosecuting them.

Last September the Federal Reserve coughed up $278 billion to bail out our now too big to fail banks ...

markets.businessinsider.com

The Fedbegan offering repos last week for the first in a decadeto calm money markets and bring short-term borrowing rates within its target range.

The central bank pumped a total of $278 billion into the financial system from Tuesday to Friday last week.


So when I see or hear someone saying there's no money to end homelessness ($20 billion) or free college ($80 billion) I call BS.

And most importantly Obama continued the same Bush era policies of not policing Wall Street and not enforcing anti-trust laws.

#23 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-11-16 12:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Then Obama continued bailing out Wall Street instead of prosecuting them."

I agree with you there, although Obama had little choice in the matter; the main goal was to stop the bleeding.

"Last September the Federal Reserve coughed up $278 billion to bail out our now too big to fail banks .."

That's on Trump.

"And most importantly Obama continued the same Bush era policies of not policing Wall Street"

www.pbs.org

#24 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-16 12:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"And then Obama piled on with ObamaCare ...."

Obamacare is head and shoulders above what preceded it. I've always been against it, but I also admitted up front I'd have to give props if it addressed the runaway medical inflation freaking us out in the Trustee Boardroom at that time. Obamacare cut the medical inflation rate by half, and gave health plans across the country some breathing room.

#25 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-16 12:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are the perfect examples of selling out ordinary Americans for neoliberal policies -- and Hillary wanted to do the same ..."

If you honestly believe that, then why did you support her in 2016? Or didn't you?

#26 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-11-16 01:09 AM | Reply

He voted Trump in 2016

#27 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-11-16 01:11 AM | Reply

And will again in 2020

#28 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-11-16 01:15 AM | Reply

I would like the 'political pendulum' to spend more time in the center. But, I am a moderate.

Obama was a good president because he is a good person.

#29 | Posted by horstngraben at 2019-11-16 03:16 AM | Reply

please please dont do any real change after all we must continue the extreme wealth of the 1percent and the shrinking of the middle class.

thats nice Obama now go fhk your self, sell out

#30 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-11-16 04:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Not the average American...
#8 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

I'm confused, isn't that why you voted for Trump and continue to cheer as he tears everything to shreds?
At least the Dems have a back-up plan.

#31 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-11-16 05:09 AM | Reply

Tear down the private health care system. It's terrible.

#32 | Posted by hamburglar at 2019-11-16 06:27 AM | Reply

The issue with Obama is his globalist view and his hatred of white people. He claims he is not a socialist .. but he is NOT a capitalist.

#33 | Posted by SJHamilton at 2019-11-16 08:47 AM | Reply

The issue with Obama is his globalist view and his hatred of white people.

#33 | Posted by SJHamilton at 2019-11-16 08:47 AM | Rep

Much like the issue with you is your fascism and hatred of non-white people?

#34 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-16 08:53 AM | Reply

Obama was a decent man and above-average president. You just have to look at what we've got now to be reminded of that.

#35 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-16 08:54 AM | Reply

Anyone wanting to run as the Democratic nominee and expecting to win shouldn't run on a platform of Obama what a bad, evil, sell-out president Obama was. Just sayin'.

#36 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-11-16 09:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Alternatate headline:

Leftwing parents wonder why the next generation is even more leftist.

#37 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-16 10:15 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

This is the Drudge Retort, not Stormfront.

#38 | Posted by hamburglar at 2019-11-16 10:28 AM | Reply

Anyone wanting to run as the Democratic nominee and expecting to win shouldn't run on a platform of Obama what a bad, evil, sell-out president Obama was. Just sayin'.

#36 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2019-11-16 09:05 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

It looks like you, Danforth, and I are the only ones who accept that.

#39 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-11-16 10:52 AM | Reply

"thats nice Obama now go fhk your self, sell out"

OK, Zoomer.

#40 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-11-16 11:09 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

What makes anyone think that obama knows what the average American wants?

#41 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-11-16 12:25 PM | Reply

#41 he's proven that over and over again. Winning the presidency twice. Being considered the best living president. Being extremely popular. Going out into the world to actually interact with people.

The loser alone in the WH is the one who is out of touch. If his daddy didn't give him his wealth, he'd have nothing.

#42 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-11-16 12:30 PM | Reply

--Being considered the best living president...

lol.

#43 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-16 12:32 PM | Reply

Being considered the best living president.

You're talking about Jimmy Carter.

Obama is sandwiched between two awful presidents.

By any measure Obama is much better. He's got the Bill Clinton glow. He's intelligent and well spoken.

But. Currently, the actual best living president, is Carter.

#44 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-11-16 12:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You're referring to the results of a poll, or your personal opinion?

#45 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-11-16 12:47 PM | Reply

You're referring to the results of a poll, or your personal opinion?

Polls are easily manipulated and personal feelings are meaningless.

I'm talking about reality.

Do you actually want to do a side by side comparison between Jimmy Carter and Barak Obama?

#46 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-11-16 12:52 PM | Reply

Your question really reveals your partisan hackery.

Of course I would like to know that.

#47 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-11-16 12:54 PM | Reply

Your question really reveals your partisan hackery.

Comparing Jimmy Carter to Barak Obama to see which is the best living president is, "partisan hackery"?

Feel free to explain.

#48 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-11-16 12:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Your question really reveals your partisan hackery.

Of course I would like to know that. "

Reality and Attempting to be Real and discussing Real things is "Partisan" now.

Thanks Obama!

#49 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-11-16 01:00 PM | Reply

What makes anyone think that obama knows what the average American wants?

#41 | POSTED BY MSGT

Because he was elected President of the US?

Twice?

And because won the POPULAR vote?

TWICE?

In 2012 Obama won 51.1% of the popular vote compared to Romney's 47.2%.

In 2008 he won the popular vote by 52.93% compared to McCains 45.65%

A better question is why on earth do you Deplorables think Humpy knows what the average American thinks being as he LOST the popular vote?

And Humpy LOST the popular vote by a BIGGER margin than any other US president in history!!!!!

Even that Ebil Hillary who EVERYBODY obviously hates (lock her up!) outpaced Donald Trump by almost 2.9 million votes, with 65,844,954 (48.2%) to his 62,979,879 (46.1%).

#50 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-11-16 01:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Being considered the best living president."

[pendantic mode=on]
Every President we've ever had was a living president.
[/pendantic]

#51 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-11-16 03:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

When you say, "living president". You're commenting on presidents who are currently alive.

#52 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-11-16 03:29 PM | Reply

Ever president we've ever had is currently alive at the time they were president.

#53 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-11-16 03:35 PM | Reply

Ever president we've ever had is currently alive

They are?

Is English your second language?

#54 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-11-16 04:26 PM | Reply

Maybe some people take that "Not My President!" thing and really go to town with it, going back thru history and canceling all the bad ones.

I mean, once you take out all the slave owners, that basically leaves Barack Obama and Jimmy Carter I guess.

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-16 04:31 PM | Reply

"Obama Says Average American Doesn't Want to 'Tear Down System'"

Obviously not, since the average american barely even votes.

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-16 04:32 PM | Reply

Comparing Jimmy Carter to Barak Obama to see which is the best living president is, "partisan hackery"?
Feel free to explain.

#48 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-11-16 12:56 PM | REPLY | NEWSWORTHY 1

Do you actually want to do a side by side comparison between Jimmy Carter and Barak Obama?
#46 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-11-16 12:52 PM | REPLY

Explained.

Do you and Donner get it yet?

#57 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-11-16 05:15 PM | Reply

"They are?"

Yes. Everything that ever existed and will exist is always there on the timeline. President John F. Kennedy is still living in 1962. We have never had a zombie president, to my knowledge. If you know otherwise, share your sauce.

#58 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-11-16 05:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Explained.
Do you and Donner get it yet?
#57 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

Not at all.

Perhaps you don't know why you believe comparing Carter and Obama is partisan hackery.

Perhaps it was a knee jerk reaction to having your impression of Obama being the greatest living president challenged.

Who knows.

#59 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-11-16 05:44 PM | Reply

Everything that ever existed and will exist is always there on the timeline. President John F. Kennedy is still living in 1962. We have never had a zombie president, to my knowledge. If you know otherwise, share your sauce.
#58 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

I see. You're an idiot doing your best trolling.

By all means, carry on.

#60 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-11-16 05:46 PM | Reply

#60, just because someone is talking about concepts your puny brain is unable to comprehend doesn't mean they're trolling.

#61 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-11-16 06:23 PM | Reply

#61

Well done.

Congratulations.

#62 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-11-16 06:33 PM | Reply

#59 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-11-16 05:44 PM | REPLY

You're attacking me for the thing you did? Wtf?

#63 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-11-16 06:43 PM | Reply

You're attacking me for the thing you did? Wtf?
#63 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

Attacking you? Persecution complex?

Your claim is Obama is the greatest living president, my claim is Carter is.

I asked if you wanted to compare them.

You accused me of partisan hackery.

So I asked how comparing Carter to Obama was partisan hackery.

How am I attacking you?

If it makes you feel better. We can just say the answer to who the best living president is, is subjective and leave it at that.

#64 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-11-16 07:20 PM | Reply

"I asked if you wanted to compare them"

No. You said: "Do you actually want to do a side by side comparison between Jimmy Carter and Barak Obama?"

Like you're in some ------ dance contest movie.

#65 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-11-16 08:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Then I said I'm interested in seeing the data, or if like to know if it's your personal opinion that you'd like to discuss.

Then I'm getting trashed for various sins-according-to-the-purity-pony-leftists.

#66 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-11-16 08:12 PM | Reply

I went ahead and googled the polls and the ones that came up showed Obama first among living. I missed where you posted a different one.

#67 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-11-16 08:13 PM | Reply

I know the banks really love Obama

#68 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-11-17 01:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Do you actually want to do a side by side comparison between Jimmy Carter and Barak Obama?

Yea. Then you accused me of "partisan hackery" for saying as much. Which. I'm still unable to understand what about my statement makes me a partisan hack, do you?

Then. Out of the blue. You accuse me of attacking you.

As far as polls. Do millennials even know who Jimmy Carter is? You realize polls are simply popularity contests. Right? Of course Obama is going to win every popularity contest. The guy has charisma, charm, intelligence, grace.

Jimmy Carter has spent his entire post presidency helping build homes and giving of himself to America and Americans.

Obama has given a few speeches and gone jet skiing with Richard Branson.

I'm not saying Obama should start going out into communities, standing side by side with regular people, and start helping. It's his life. He should live it as he wants.

But I'm not sure what you're crediting him with when you say he's the "best" living president.

#69 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-11-17 01:31 AM | Reply

Progressive policy is not radical change; by definition it is "happening or developing gradually or in stages; proceeding step by step.".

So if the conservatives ideology is proceeding gradually, would you still call it "progressive"? It's the same thing you are talking about, just in another direction.

It's obvious you think leftists have a right to push slowly for their "change", do the conservatives have the same right?

#70 | Posted by boaz at 2019-11-17 09:53 AM | Reply

Carter is the best President AFTER leaving office. He does good with Habitat for Humanity.

While he was President, he was the worst. Period. Full stop.

#71 | Posted by boaz at 2019-11-17 09:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#71

Trump ain't finished just yet.

#72 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-11-17 10:14 AM | Reply

"happening or developing gradually or in stages; proceeding step by step.".

Then "progressives" is the wrong term for them, how about cliffdivers?

#73 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-17 10:28 AM | Reply

But I'm not sure what you're crediting him with when you say he's the "best" living president.

#69 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-11-17 01:31 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

I was answering #41 and should have used "most popular". Semantics aside, I feel my answer was appropriate as a response to #41.

#74 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-11-17 12:02 PM | Reply

Trump duped rwingers, which was easy enough, and some moderates who thought he was "anti-establishment" when in reality he was and is as establishment as most international business owners are; totally self-concerned.

#12 | Posted by Corky

Trump would not have won without the obama->trump voters.

Voters wouldnt have gone from obama to trump if obama hadn't turned out to be a sellout corporatist who protected the bankers who ruined millions of lives.

#75 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-11-17 05:17 PM | Reply

"While he was President, he was the worst. Period. Full stop.
#71 | POSTED BY BOAZ"

Trump will go down as worse, and probably W. too. And a few of the ones we didn't live through. Franklin Pierce anyone?

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-17 05:30 PM | Reply

"While he was President, he was the worst. Period. Full stop.

Why? Because he got rid of the presidential yacht and put solar panels on the White House?

#77 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-11-17 05:46 PM | Reply

He also tried to make the judiciary look more like the American people. What an awful man that Carter was.

#78 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-11-17 05:59 PM | Reply

Perhaps Boaz is upset that Delta Force effed up the mission he sent them on?

#79 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-11-17 06:10 PM | Reply

#76

Good to see that you have discovered the Obama Crossover bloc that Corky has denied existed since November 9, 2016.

#80 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-17 08:40 PM | Reply

While he was President, he was the worst. Period. Full stop.

#71 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Who says? And your opinion does not count. As you are a fool and we all know it.

So who. Besides you, who says Carter was the worst President ?

Carter usually comes in around 15-20.

So you are not even close to what most actual Americans who are familiar with history would think.

Says more about you than Jimmy.

Comrade?

Semper Fi

#81 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-11-17 08:51 PM | Reply

... or even Biden who would actually eventually get the the same goals just using slower, more acceptable tactics.
#12 | POSTED BY CORKY

LOL. Slo-Mo Corky just wants to get his Turd elected so he can tell everyone that change will require 100 years.

#82 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-11-17 09:24 PM | Reply

"Voters wouldnt have gone from obama to trump if obama hadn't turned out to be a sellout corporatist who protected the bankers who ruined millions of lives."

Interesting theory, bro. In order for that to be even remotely possible, he would have had to have been super hard on the bankers and corporations in his first term, and then did a 180 and sold out in his second term after he was reelected. Did that happen?

And completely ignore the fact that huge a number Obama voters always disliked Hillary personally ever since they were opponents in the 2008 primaries, if not longer, and she never did anything to change their minds.

#83 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-11-17 11:37 PM | Reply

LOL. Slo-Mo Corky just wants to get his Turd elected so he can tell everyone that change will require 100 years.

#82 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Corky's Turd is better than your shat-sandwich.

And sorry to inform you comrade, the change You and the rest of Pootins Puppies want will never happen.

Not on my watch.

Semper Fi

#84 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-11-18 12:38 PM | Reply

Interesting theory, bro. In order for that to be even remotely possible, he would have had to have been super hard on the bankers and corporations in his first term, and then did a 180 and sold out in his second term after he was reelected. Did that happen?

And completely ignore the fact that huge a number Obama voters always disliked Hillary personally ever since they were opponents in the 2008 primaries, if not longer, and she never did anything to change their minds.

#83 | Posted by sentinel

Incumbent president always enjoy and enormous advantage in re election. For obama, it was enough to overcome being a corporate sellout. Plus his racial minority status gave him another advantage that 2020's sellout democrats won't have.

Obama could have showed america that repubs are the parties of corporations, bankers, and corruption. Instead he showed them that dems and repubs are the same, which is why trump got elected.

#85 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-11-18 12:56 PM | Reply

"Incumbent president always enjoy and enormous advantage in re election. For obama, it was enough to overcome being a corporate sellout."

Whew. We're on a roll here with illogic on DR this week. So now you're saying the people who switched from Obama to Trump care more about voting for an incumbent than they do about voting against an alleged corporate whore and sellout. So the latter obviously isn't a huge factor in their voting pattern.

"Plus his racial minority status gave him another advantage that 2020's sellout democrats won't have."

Ah yes, the race card. Because because the people who voted for both Obama and Trump obviously care about the race of the candidate. Seriously?

#86 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-11-18 02:18 PM | Reply

"Voters wouldnt have gone from obama to trump if obama hadn't turned out to be a sellout corporatist who protected the bankers who ruined millions of lives."

So, do you think if the race had been, hypothetically, between Trump and Obama, Trump would have won?

#87 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-11-18 02:22 PM | Reply

Ah yes, the race card. Because because the people who voted for both Obama and Trump obviously care about the race of the candidate. Seriously?

#86 | Posted by sentinel

Obama being a corporate sellout didn't hurt him as much as it will hurt another dem (cough cough HILLARY!) because he had a giant voting block that would overlook any flaws because of his race.

It's not the race card to say black people loved voting for obama. It's simply a fact.

#88 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-11-18 02:23 PM | Reply

What makes anyone think that obama knows what the average American wants?

#41 | Posted by MSgt

Are you suggesting he's wrong?

That people don't want stability?

#89 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-18 02:35 PM | Reply

Are you suggesting he's wrong?

That people don't want stability?

#89 | Posted by jpw

Trump's election proves people care far more about radically attacking the corrupt system than clinging to stability.

Dems can ignore this and lose again, or embrace it and win.

#90 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-11-18 02:43 PM | Reply

"Trump's election proves people care far more about radically attacking the corrupt system than clinging to stability."

Trump's re-election, however, would prove the opposite. Or it would prove that your theory of the past election isn't 100% accurate.

#91 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-11-18 03:10 PM | Reply

Trump's re-election, however, would prove the opposite. Or it would prove that your theory of the past election isn't 100% accurate.

#91 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

Depends on who they run against him.

If they run someone who promises a return to the status quo and that person loses, then it will prove that people still prefer all trump's crime and chaos over returning to the corporate elite status quo of 2015.

#92 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-11-18 03:42 PM | Reply

You guys are smoking crack if you really believe that Obama voters rejected Hillary because was too similar to Obama. Or you're trolling.

#93 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-11-18 04:20 PM | Reply

Americans, on average, voted for Hillary Clinton.

#94 | Posted by JOE at 2019-11-18 04:30 PM | Reply

2 weeks ago: Half of Americans think Democratic Party has moved to far left, according to CNN.

Today: Democrats start using #TooFarLeft hashtag as a badge of honor, determined to make that number even higher.

#95 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-11-18 04:31 PM | Reply

"Americans, on average, voted for Hillary Clinton"

In 40% of the country.

#96 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-11-18 04:37 PM | Reply

2 weeks ago: Half of Americans think Democratic Party has moved to far left, according to CNN.
#95 | Posted by sentinel

SHOCKER! A giant corporation says we shouldnt move to the left! What will happen next!

#97 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-11-18 04:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In 40% of the country.

Land doesn't vote, stupid.

#98 | Posted by JOE at 2019-11-18 04:46 PM | Reply

"Land doesn't vote, stupid."

Don't call me stupid, -----. The people live on the land. The U.S.A. is the fourth largest country in the world, and it's divided up into States. It's hard for any candidate who only wins a small % of states to argue they have support of most of the country, regardless of if they won due to the electoral vote or popular vote. It would be extremely difficult for them to effectively govern in the U.S. system under those circumstances.

Case in point: Jimmy Carter only won 23 out of 50 states, and he was very ineffective as President, so much so that it helped the party of Nixon get back into power after one term. But he did win both the electoral and the popular vote. The two candidates who recently won the popular vote in only 20 states would've been even less effective than Carter as President.

#99 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-11-18 05:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Trump's election proves people care far more about radically attacking the corrupt system than clinging to stability.

Dems can ignore this and lose again, or embrace it and win.

#90 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

Really? Did I miss Trump's campaign of faux populism that promised to bring back the glory days of the much more stable, economically prosperous past?

#100 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-18 08:02 PM | Reply

Don't call me stupid, -----. The people live on the land. The U.S.A. is the fourth largest country in the world, and it's divided up into States. It's hard for any candidate who only wins a small % of states to argue they have support of most of the country, regardless of if they won due to the electoral vote or popular vote. It would be extremely difficult for them to effectively govern in the U.S. system under those circumstances.

LOL

#101 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-18 08:05 PM | Reply

What's so funny, kiddo? Do you think Carter was actually a very effective President?

#102 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-11-18 08:45 PM | Reply

Really? Did I miss Trump's campaign of faux populism that promised to bring back the glory days of the much more stable, economically prosperous past?

#100 | Posted by jpw

Somehow you did miss that part of his message was highly populist and promised to wage war against the status quo elites.

Those are voters a democrat candidate could have gotten if democrats had punished the bankers and established themselves as a true populist party instead of selling out for campaing cash like obama.

#103 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-11-18 08:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What's so funny, kiddo? Do you think Carter was actually a very effective President?

#102 | Posted by sentinel

In the quoted segment? A couple of things.

I'm still not sure if you're not just being facetious.

#104 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-18 09:43 PM | Reply

Somehow you did miss that part of his message was highly populist and promised to wage war against the status quo elites.

To induce....stability.

He was claiming he knew the way to the coveted stability and prosperity that was being denied and stolen from people like him.

Only idiots believed a man like Trump would do anything to help anybody but himself.

#105 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-18 09:53 PM | Reply

nly idiots believed a man like Trump would do anything to help anybody but himself.

#105 | Posted by jpw

Problem is america has a lot of idiots.

But even idiots have noticed corrupt elites control the country and so they are willing to vote for someone they think will fight those elites for them. Do you want those idiots to vote for a dem or keep voting repub?

#106 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-11-18 09:57 PM | Reply

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