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Saturday, November 16, 2019

Greta Thunberg, the new climate icon, does not fly. She is a vegan and subscribes to the stop-shop philosophy, which means that "you don't buy new things, consume new things, unless you absolutely have to." In a recent interview, Greta said, "I want to walk the talk, and to practice as I preach. So that is what I'm trying to do." In contrast, Michael Mann, a prominent climate scientist, suggests that any talk of behavioral changes and personal responsibility reflects a soft form of climate denial. Although he did not mention Greta by name, he said: "First of all, there is an attempt being made by them to deflect attention away from finding policy solutions to global warming towards promoting individual behaviour changes that affect people's diets, travel choices and other personal behaviour ... . This approach is a softer form of denial and in many ways it is more pernicious."

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Fact check by Climate Scientist .... TRUE

#1 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-16 02:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

This is pure bull manure, and mackris is still an idiot.

Carry on.

#2 | Posted by Angrydad at 2019-11-16 02:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--"you don't buy new things,

Jane Fonda has committed to not buying any more clothes to fight global warming. That's a big sacrifice...for a Hollywood celebrity.

#3 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-16 02:23 PM | Reply

From the very article you cite:

"reflects a soft form of climate denial"

That is quite different than "equal climate denial."

Having noted that difference in intensity, I do not disagree that such personal acts are more of a Band-Aid than a solution.

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-16 02:24 PM | Reply

Andrea is just jelly. That's all.

#5 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-11-16 03:00 PM | Reply

--Contrary to the industry claim, the Mann thesis would suggest that people drive cars because governments do not invest in mass transit.

That just shows how delusional Mann and company are. People love their freedom. They can go where they want, when they want, from doorstep to doorstep, something that government cattle cars can never provide.

#6 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-16 03:15 PM | Reply

They can go where they want, when they want, from doorstep to doorstep, something that government cattle cars can never provide.

People can't go where they want using public transportation?

#7 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-11-16 03:26 PM | Reply

"reflects a soft form of climate denial" lampliar

Contextomy..

Let me add the rest because you biased it out.

"and in many ways it is more pernicious."

#8 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-16 03:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

It'll get you close to where you want to go, sometimes, in most cities.

#9 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-11-16 03:36 PM | Reply

and conservation stopped being cool awhile back. It's not PC. It's filled with right wingers who hunt and ---- like that.

#10 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-11-16 03:36 PM | Reply

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Andrea is just jelly. That's all.
#5 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Don't know about all, but certainly jelly

#11 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-16 03:36 PM | Reply

It's like the PC conundrum of wetland conservation. The largest and most successful wetland conservation group is Ducks Unlimited. It's a large non-profit. The funding, event attendees, etc, are conservative white male hunters with a very high proportion of NRA members. Should be woke. Can't be woke.

#12 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-11-16 03:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It'll get you close to where you want to go, sometimes, in most cities.

Considering the majority of human beings live in cities. It stands to reason if you can minimize pollution in the cities it would have a major impact on combating global warming.

#13 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-11-16 03:45 PM | Reply

@#8 ... Let me add the rest because you biased it out. ...

Not really.

If you had actually read what I wrote, you would have seen that I agreed with the pernicious aspect. That's why I said it was more of a Band-Aid.

Nice try, though.

(btw, why do your comments seem to be so much more desperate of late?)


#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-16 03:45 PM | Reply

"individual behavior changes that affect people's diets, travel choices and other personal behavior ... is a softer form of denial and in many ways it is more pernicious.""

So you're saying the market approach -- people voting with their wallets to buy, eat, live more environmentally responsibly -- can't fix Global Warming, and in fact makes Global Warming worse.

Got it.
That'a a strange thing for a person who doesn't even believe in global warming to say, but it's interesting nonetheless.

Moving on,
Is there a government/policy approach that might work, or is that also not an option?

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-16 04:04 PM | Reply

I agree that no real change will come from individuals actions, but I don't disagree with symbolic individual action, either, and it can help one get into a zen like mindset as they pursue impactful policy change. Forbes'general readership, as stereotypes go, would probably stand to benefit financially from climate inaction, so I'm skeptical that their publishing of this essay isn't more than reinforcing their readers' mindsets that Greta is a dumb little privileged girl being used by the virtue signalling left.

#16 | Posted by hamburglar at 2019-11-16 05:06 PM | Reply

If Greta didn't live up to her word, they'd attack her for that. Since she does, they attacked her for thinking individuals, not society, can make the change.

Make no mistake, the decision it would be a hit piece was the first in the chain.

#17 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-16 05:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

That just shows how delusional Mann and company are. People love their freedom. They can go where they want, when they want, from doorstep to doorstep, something that government cattle cars can never provide.

#6 | Posted by nullifidian

They have that illusion.

"Going where they want" is, of course, completely dependent on parking, traffic, time...

The primary limiting factor of transit accessibility is the lack of public will to build it, largely because of idiotic, self-centered beliefs like yours.

In other words, OK, boomer.

#18 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-17 02:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So you're saying

#15 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-11-16 04:04 PM | FLAG:

Michael Mann is saying. Somebody else is just posting what somebody else said. Do you think people believe every line of a summary they post? Get a life man lol.

#19 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-11-17 08:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

that Greta is a dumb little privileged girl being used by the virtue signalling left.

#16 | POSTED BY HAMBURGLAR AT 2019-11-16 05:06 PM | FLAG:

Not far from what's going on. Firing up little kids on doomsday cults isn't a good plan.

#20 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-11-17 09:00 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

--Firing up little kids on doomsday cults isn't a good plan.

Worse than that. To use the language of DR left moral grandstanders, it's "immoral" to terrify children, tell them they have no future, and weaponize them, use them as human shields, to promote the agenda of privileged white climatistas.

#21 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-17 10:06 AM | Reply

At least you both admit to your crap views.

#22 | Posted by hamburglar at 2019-11-17 10:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Jane Fonda Cheers From Safe Location As Her Friends Are Arrested.

"The irony isn't lost on reasonable people that Jane Fonda, who wishes to usher in a socialist utopia in America via the Green New Deal, is unwilling to continue to be arrested because of the likely length of her next sentence. If she is put away for a month, she says it will interfere with her upcoming filming schedule for the next season of Netflix's Grace and Frankie. She would suffer financially, as would the production and her cast mates."

We certainly can't risk losing a few episodes of "Grace and Frankie" to deal with the so-called "climate emergency."

#23 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-17 12:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Is there anything dumber in the world than fake virtue signalers suggesting others give up their livelihood to prove purity?

#24 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-17 01:30 PM | Reply

My heart bleeds for poor Jane Fonda.

"Obviously I'm trying to recycle, although that's hard to do in Beverly Hills."

-- Jane Fonda

#25 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-17 03:51 PM | Reply

This is a very weird thread. Grown men need different obsessions.

#26 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-11-17 04:41 PM | Reply

Considering the majority of human beings live in cities.

#13 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-11-16 03:45 PM | REPLY

Suburbs. 2/3 of the Houston Metroplex doesn't live in Houston.

#27 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-11-17 04:48 PM | Reply

Think about the kind of person who decides the thing to do about Greta Thunberg is:
To hate her.

You think that person gives two ----- about the environment?

The only reason Andrea, a mattress doesn't have a truck is California's strict emissions regulations violate the First Amendment right to Freedom of Expression by Rolling Coal.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-17 04:50 PM | Reply

"Suburbs. 2/3 of the Houston Metroplex doesn't live in Houston."

Moot point. Bus systems operate across Metros. In fact, Houston's system is called the METRO.

#29 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-17 05:02 PM | Reply

#28 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I don't hate Greta, I dislike her handlers, disablers, the people promoting her .. how can you not understand that?

I cycle, I have had rolling coal happen to me, so I am against rolling coal in anyform, yet I see it here in California all the time. But I don't see why MercBenz diesel ML were not allowed until BluTec.

I love the environment; from sailing, fishing, hiking, biking, and walking my dogs. I am all for conservation, which is why I promote going UP rather than OUT.

The interesting thing is, I am thinking of buying a TeslaModel3 (commuting), and a 7.3L Ford Diesel Short bed (to go fishing/hunting in WI)

Strange but true, these aren't antipodal are they? and actually quite practical together...

#30 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-17 05:06 PM | Reply

"The interesting thing is, I am thinking of buying a TeslaModel3 (commuting), and a 7.3L Ford Diesel Short bed (to go fishing/hunting in WI)"

I'll give you a chance to explain yourself.

Please connect all that stuff about yachting and buying a Prius to the thing you posted, which says this:

"individual behaviour changes that affect people's diets, travel choices and other personal behaviour ... . This approach is a softer form of denial and in many ways it is more pernicious."

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-17 05:10 PM | Reply

Bus systems operate across Metros.

On weekends? Schedule is cut...

Bus systems unfortunately don't "work" where we have built out ....

%96 percent of residential land in San Jose is single family dwellings.

Houston might be the same.

I find subways (Paris, Tokyo/Japan in general) to be great when clean and plentiful, but when disgusting and don't go anywhere I a just don't see the point.

For public transportation to work we need to go vertical. Its not just about building a train, but also the density.

#32 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-17 05:11 PM | Reply

"On weekends? Schedule is cut..."

Are those goalposts heavy?

"Bus systems unfortunately don't "work" where we have built out ...."

Doesn't negate Clownshack's claim.

#33 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-17 05:16 PM | Reply

The pathetic tub of goo that is Fat Andy is picking on kids. I hope his "allowance" drys up soon, and he's homeless soon.

#34 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-11-17 10:47 PM | Reply

Moot point. Bus systems operate across Metros. In fact, Houston's system is called the METRO.

#29 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2019-11-17 05:02 PM | REPLY

They do. They travel to Park N Rides. It's a Park N Ride because it takes a car to get to it.

#35 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-11-18 08:00 AM | Reply

You can't Uber to them and be PC, ride sharing is not woke. You're not going to walk, it's too far.

#36 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-11-18 08:01 AM | Reply

From the posts here, it seems like the solution is for the mayors and councils of urban centers to ban personal vehicles entirely. Roads become sidewalks and the cities become pedestrian only. That doesn't work in rural America, of course, but I don't think progressives give a crap about anyone who lives outside the city limits, anyway.

#37 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-11-18 09:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I don't think progressives give a crap about anyone who lives outside the city limits, anyway."

Make sure to sweep up all that straw when you're finished constructing.

#38 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-18 10:56 AM | Reply

The marine fabrication industry is one of the most environmentally harmful out there...a luxury sailboat is made of heavily treated wood and fiberglass, and rare metals in the computer equipment. Fiberglass is toxic ----. The chemicals required to keep saltwater from damaging the boats are numerous.

The plastic that modern water resistant clothing is made from isn't very environmentally friendly.

#39 | Posted by Ottodog at 2019-11-18 11:30 AM | Reply

"That doesn't work in rural America, of course, but I don't think progressives give a crap about anyone who lives outside the city limits, anyway."

That's just hilarious. And Ottodog's post is nonsense as well.

#40 | Posted by danni at 2019-11-18 12:41 PM | Reply

#40 Is it? Where does the term "flyover country" come from? Ever look at the voting maps for various elections? Admit it Danni...you know I'm right when I say the biggest division in this country isn't black/white, conservative/liberal, or rich/poor...it's urban/rural.

#41 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-11-18 03:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"it's urban/rural."

Guess what, I've had rural relatives all my life, my Mother grew up in a rural area. What makes you associate where I live with how I feel towards rural people.

#42 | Posted by danni at 2019-11-18 03:42 PM | Reply

This attitude is pretty typical of the Left...

...meet Jackson Kernion. According to his Twitter bio, he's a "Philosophy PhD?" And his philosophy is evidently that rural Americans suck:

I unironically embrace the bashing of rural Americans. they, as a group, are bad people who have made bad life decisions. Some, I assume, are good people. But this nostalgia for some imagined pastoral way of life is stupid and we should shame people who aren't pro-city.

#43 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-18 03:55 PM | Reply

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