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Sunday, November 17, 2019

a Gallup poll found that 58 percent of young Americans think that socialism would be a good thing for the country, while seven in 10 millennials said they would vote for a socialist candidate for president. In an interview for our podcast, "What The Hell Is Going On?" Danielle Pletka and I asked U.S. Ambassador to Germany Richard A. Grenell why socialism seems to be having a resurgence three decades after the end of the Cold War.

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Whenever we hear a good idea, and then we hear conservatives call it "socialism," we realize what's going on. F! off.

#1 | Posted by hamburglar at 2019-11-17 10:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

Whenever we hear a good idea, and then we hear conservatives call it "socialism," we realize what's going on. F! off.
#1 | POSTED BY HAMBURGLAR

That is exactly what the young Germans, Russians, Chinese said.

#2 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-17 11:30 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

Young people must be told of the evils of socialism

They're already quite cognizant of the evils of Capitalism.

#3 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-11-17 11:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Tfd,

"They're already quite cognizant of the evils of Capitalism."

Capitalism and Socialism sustain each other.

The existence of each perpetuates the other.

Ideally each system should find ways to accommodate the other but instead politicians use both as political tools irrespective of the needs of either.

Both are failing.

#4 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-11-17 11:55 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Young people must be told of the evils of socialism

Too late ...

Young liberal voters set to break turnout records in 2020
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The reason why billionaires are panicking is because, as Bob Dylan once said, "the times they are a changin'".

America is the richest country in the world by far, yet whole regions of the country are deindustrialized, blighted, and in total disrepair with no real prospects for improving their lives -- so when rich fat slobs start squawking "socialism" young voters rightfully see right thru the BS.

#5 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-11-17 01:04 PM | Reply

What is socialism?

Peoples opinions of socialism are largely dependant on their definition.

The real evil is authoritarianism, which arises in both capatalistc and socialistic systems when the rule of law is corrupted to serve those in power.

#6 | Posted by bored at 2019-11-17 01:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

I'm surprised this isn't a Mustang or Jeff thread.

They're usually the ones who want to control the narrative and scare people away from socialism.

I've tried tell you all this.

Today's socialism isn't the socialism of Stalin.

#7 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-11-17 01:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Thread gets the funny flag.

Are we sure Boaz and Mackris are not the same person?

LOL!

#8 | Posted by Angrydad at 2019-11-17 03:58 PM | Reply

They're already quite cognizant of the evils of Capitalism.

What they should be cognizant of is the lifestyle that Capitalism gives them. Capitalism is where everything good and funded starts. Socialism creates nothing, but only to make all citizens equally poor. Which is the goal. Socialism is for the jealous and those who envy what other's have. Socialism is brutal, because you have to keep those who are productive continuing to be productive for no other reason than for the collective. When producers start understanding that they are the only ones producing for an ever growing populace that doesnt want to work or produce, they rebel and go to capitalist countries. Eventually all socialist countries end up poor, because that's the goal.

Americans are individualistic. We rely on ourselves. We understand that our money we have earned is private property. Americans will never go for socialism..

#9 | Posted by boaz at 2019-11-17 04:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Boaz,

The truth remains there are people who for whatever reasons, can not care for themselves.

Be it physical, mental or other limitations. They need to be taken care of unless you don't mind people dying in the streets.

One big problem is people who game the system which includes greedy rich who are parasites feeding on a system contributing nothing with an exaggerated sense of self-worth, importance and entitlement and lazy poor who can be described just the same.

In your post you have managed to successfully demonstrate both extremes what is good and what is wrong with capitalism.

#10 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-11-17 04:59 PM | Reply

In your post you have managed to successfully demonstrate both extremes what is good and what is wrong with capitalism.

But there is no good to socialism other than someone gets something for free. The working populace gets "stuff" for "free". At least with capitalism, you are in control of your own destiny. You have a chance to better yourself instead of working for a collective, where not everyone contributes.

The truth remains there are people who for whatever reasons, can not care for themselves.

Bill, I have no problem with the poor with no legs or arms who needs help. I can understand giving that person a small stipend to pay for institutionalized care or a subsidy. I could even move toward some type of mental health something, where we start putting all these ill homeless and others into an institution and get them off the streets.

But government shouldnt have any control over industries. While there should be some regulation, there shouldnt be alot. The money supply is not some "pie" to be divided amongst all Americans. Private property is real and shouldnt be messed with.

#11 | Posted by boaz at 2019-11-17 06:28 PM | Reply

One thing that cannot be denied is that capitalism creates wealth. Maybe not exclusively for the state, but it certainly does on an individual level.

Socialism doesnt do that.

#12 | Posted by boaz at 2019-11-17 06:30 PM | Reply

Boaz,

"One thing that cannot be denied is that capitalism creates wealth."

Ok...your statement is true.

You missed my point if you think I'm saying otherwise.

Capitalism has indeed raised the standard of living for human beings everywhere (well...a lot anyway)

All depends on where you are in the food chain or how lucky you got in life.

Simply...either you are comfortable seeing human beings starving in the streets or you aren't.

Or you might think it's fine and dandy that people die because they avoid going to the doctor.

Sure...there's a lot of abuse of the welfare system but my point is (if you didn't quite get it), I think the rich hording billions of dollars is a serious societal systemic dysfunction.

#13 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-11-17 07:24 PM | Reply

Simply...either you are comfortable seeing human beings starving in the streets or you aren't.

I somewhat disagree .. its a matter of timing ...

Do you want to see MASS starvation all at once, or very few people not making it over time.

I think the rich hording billions of dollars is a serious societal systemic dysfunction.

I wouldn't call it a "systemic dysfunction", I would call it a personal dysfunction, bu this is just my perspective, not the one with Billions.

For instance I can respect Billionaires that retire, and go on about their lives. But those still hustling, like Bezo's I don't understand.

#14 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-17 07:46 PM | Reply

I think the rich hording billions of dollars is a serious societal systemic dysfunction.

Those billions are theirs, not yours. They can do with it what they want. It's the basis of our nation.

You dont know what people are doing with their money and it's not yours or mine's business. You dont know where they are giving their money.

That's the big problem I have with it all. Everyone is looking at everyone else's pocketbook and saying, "You dont need that".

#15 | Posted by boaz at 2019-11-17 08:05 PM | Reply

#15 | POSTED BY BOAZ

FACT: most (>85%) of it is in investments; like companies.

#16 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-17 08:13 PM | Reply

"most (>85%) of it is in investments; like companies."

So a 1% wealth tax wouldn't necessarily rile the markets. Good to hear.

#17 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-17 08:48 PM | Reply

Boaz,

"Everyone is looking at everyone else's pocketbook and saying, "You dont need that"."

No...not everyone. That's an exaggeration.

That's the lie people like to tell to avoid discussing the real truth.

#18 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-11-17 08:50 PM | Reply

#18 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

According to you Bill its a "systemic dysfunction", so it would be reasonable to imply you want the government to fix this "dysfunction" by some means of "confiscation" from Billionaires.

So no he's not exaggerating, he extrapolating your ambiguous statement, which you were free to articulate in order to clarify,but chose to attach him.

#19 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-17 09:01 PM | Reply

"According to you Bill its a "systemic dysfunction""

Those who understand the equation simply call it "The Trump Tax Code".

#20 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-17 09:03 PM | Reply

Young people can see the system isn't working for the American people any more. Good for them.

#21 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-11-17 11:41 PM | Reply

Young people can see the system isn't working for the American people any more.

The people are supposed to work the system not the other way around. It's all a part of the "you do it" system America was founded on.

The system works, it's just that the people have to work within it. There should never be an America where you have to put forth no effort and subsist.

#22 | Posted by boaz at 2019-11-18 08:12 AM | Reply

I agree with working within the system, but the current system has nothing for wage earners. That means it's not working for most people. It especially won't work for anyone who isn't receiving help from outside.

#23 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-11-18 08:38 AM | Reply

Some things should be produced under Capitalistic ideas, like cars, food, clothes, etc.
Some other things should be produced under Socialist ideas, like healthcare and education, I don't want some Capitalist to be making a huge profit on those things and thereby pricing those things out of the reach of lower income people just so some rich person can rake profits off the top without actually improving the "product" at all.

#24 | Posted by danni at 2019-11-18 09:29 AM | Reply

What young people need to be educated about is right wing propaganda. It's insidious, it surrounds us and makes us believe stupid things because that is what it is designed to do.

#25 | Posted by danni at 2019-11-18 09:30 AM | Reply

but the current system has nothing for wage earners.

That's because wage earners need to improve themselves and not sit stagnant.

We need to stop worrying about the system and ensure opportunities are there. Which they are.

#26 | Posted by boaz at 2019-11-18 09:30 AM | Reply

"We need to stop worrying about the system and ensure opportunities are there. Which they are."

Perfect example of right wing propaganda.

#27 | Posted by danni at 2019-11-18 10:14 AM | Reply

Americans will never go for socialism..

#9 | Posted by boaz at 2019-11-17 04:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm pretty sure road, bridges, police, firefighters, social security and medicare are QUITE popular.

#28 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-11-18 01:05 PM | Reply

Simply...either you are comfortable seeing human beings starving in the streets or you aren't.

Or you might think it's fine and dandy that people die because they avoid going to the doctor.

95% of the GOP is okay with this.

Especially if their social security check isn't late.

#29 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-11-18 01:07 PM | Reply

But those still hustling, like Bezo's I don't understand.

#14 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-17 07:46 PM | Reply | Flag

Money is power and there can never be enough power.

#30 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-11-18 01:09 PM | Reply

"Young people must be told"

'Cuz that always works.

#31 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-11-18 03:42 PM | Reply

#27,

Why are you afraid of individuality, Danni?

#32 | Posted by boaz at 2019-11-18 06:23 PM | Reply

Money is power and there can never be enough power.
#30 | POSTED BY NIXON

Is it at that level?

Can you quantify the delta between 150billion and 200billion?

#33 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-18 07:21 PM | Reply

Why are you afraid of individuality, Danni?

#32 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2019-11-18 06:23 PM | FLAG:

You can't join a political party and honestly ask that question. You've given up on certain aspects of your belief as an individual when you conform to the avenue of a political party. This is why I don't subscribe anymore. I am an individual, I have and maintain certain beliefs and they belong to me - not a group of people who want my money and vote.

#34 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-11-18 09:40 PM | Reply

It's funny reading a brainwashed grunt like Boaz claim he's an individual.

#35 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-11-18 09:43 PM | Reply

You've given up on certain aspects of your belief as an individual when you conform to the avenue of a political party.

No you don't, its not like joining the Chinese communist party ....

#36 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-18 10:47 PM | Reply

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