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Tuesday, November 19, 2019

This Sunday, Kanye Wests highly anticipated service at Joel Osteens Houston megachurch went down just as many expected: as a perfect mix of celebrity narcissism, privilege, and fundamentalist Christian certainty.

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During a conversation with Osteen, West talked about what led to his recent religious conversion, but before he got into the meat of his story, he chided the audience for daring to distract him while speaking for God.

#1 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-11-19 07:44 AM | Reply

He's perfect for Believe-And-You-Can-Achieve Prosperity Gospel.

#2 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-11-19 07:50 AM | Reply

When I see Kanye, I imagine BOAZ on crack.

#3 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-11-19 07:52 AM | Reply | Funny: 3

Joel Osteen isn't a fundamentalist LOL. He's prosperity gospel...almost the complete opposite of a fundy.

#4 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-11-19 08:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I've never had the slightest respect for Joel Osteen but now I, somehow, respect him less. He has no respect for his congregation to allow West to speak utter nonsense to them and pretend he somehow speaks for God. If his congregation had any self-respect they would have all walked out on that faker.

#5 | Posted by danni at 2019-11-19 08:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

I believe the part about fundamentalist Christianity certainty is referring to Kayne:
"as a perfect mix of celebrity narcissism, privilege, and fundamentalist Christian certainty."

Is Kayne a fundamentalist Christian? I don't know. Either way, I think the kind of certainty Kayne is demonstrating is something he has in common with some Christian fundamentalists. By that I don't mean his belief in God or Jesus, but the belief that God is speaking through them and that they are speaking for God. Human nature being what it is, there are such things as spiritual addiction and spiritual narcissism.

#6 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-11-19 08:43 AM | Reply

God made sheep to be sheared.. as long as its fair for scum like Olsteen to scam the gullible it should be fair for Kanye to do the same.

#7 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2019-11-19 08:44 AM | Reply

Also FYI, Joel Osteen has deep fundamentalist roots:

Osteen was born in Houston, Texas, and is one of six children of John Osteen and Dolores ("Dodie") Pilgrim. His father, a former Southern Baptist pastor, founded Lakewood Church (of which Osteen is the current senior pastor) in the back of an old feed store. He was educated at Humble High School, a public high school in the city of Humble, Texas, from which he graduated in 1981, followed by Oral Roberts University in Tulsa, Oklahoma, where he studied radio and television communications, but did not graduate; he did not receive a degree from a divinity school. In 1982, he returned to Houston and founded Lakewood's television program, where he produced his father's televised sermons for 17 years until January 1999, when his father died unexpectedly from a heart attack.

Osteen's father encouraged him to preach for many years, but he declined, preferring to work behind the scenes until January 17, 1999, when he accepted his father's suggestion and he preached his first sermon. John Osteen died six days later of a heart attack. Two weeks after his father's death, Osteen began preaching regularly and later that year was installed as the new senior pastor of Lakewood Church on October 3, 1999. Since then, Lakewood's attendance has grown from 5,000 to 43,000.

en.wikipedia.org

#8 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-11-19 08:52 AM | Reply

He died and they made a hard pivot to prosperity gospel. Under Joel, they bought the Rocket's old arena, previously known as the Compaq Center, and turned it into their megachurch.

#9 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-11-19 09:24 AM | Reply

He sounds like a Jedi.

#10 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-11-19 09:56 AM | Reply

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#8 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

His father was a fundy, Joel Osteen as we know him today wouldn't preach his sermons while his father was alive. His father would go fire and brimstone in him and probably disown him or shoot fire at him, idk.

#11 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-11-19 11:57 AM | Reply

#5 | Posted by danni

Respect? All I feel is disgust. "Prosperity" Gospel is a pyramid scheme with Osteen (or whoever) at the top and everyone else handing him money. No wonder Kanye teamed up with him "Line my pockets because I am the greatest and God chooses to speak through me" - or some other blather like that.

Fundies and in particular Prosperity Gospel types have no clue what Jesus and God are really about. The fundamentalist path has sort of naturally led to the Prosperity Gospel types. "Give me your money so that I may pray for you and you will be blessed" blah blah blah.

Sorry, if it isn't clear by now I am disgusted by these people. Deplorables is a good term.

#12 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-11-19 01:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#8 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

What I wonder - How much is a ticket to "mass"?

#13 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-11-19 01:02 PM | Reply

It's not nice to ridicule the mentally ill.
Let Kanye play it out. I doubt that even Clozapine could help the poor fellow after a few years with the Kardashians.

#14 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-11-19 01:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"It's not nice to ridicule the mentally ill." - #14 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-11-19 01:38 PM

That's why most of us self-censor our replies to your posts, phester.

#15 | Posted by Hans at 2019-11-19 01:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 7

All these comparisons to Idiocracy are going to look awfully premature when Kayne wins in 2024.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-19 01:56 PM | Reply

"Joel Osteen isn't a fundamentalist LOL. He's prosperity gospel...almost the complete opposite of a fundy."

Must be one of those Horseshoe Theory situations.
Because both only want my money.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-19 01:57 PM | Reply

"His father was a fundy, Joel Osteen as we know him today wouldn't preach his sermons while his father was alive. His father would go fire and brimstone in him and probably disown him or shoot fire at him, idk."

Maybe old school Evangelicals were different than current day ones? There seems to be a merger now between Evangelical preachers and prosperity gospel preachers? For example, take a look at Trump's go-to preacher:

Prosperity' Preacher To Join Trump's White House: Report

Paula White-Cain's friendship with Trump began when he called her "out of the blue" after watching her televised sermons and told her she had the "it factor."

Donald Trump, will join the White House staff advising an office that steers taxpayer funds to faith-based organizations, the New York Times reported Thursday.

The evangelical pastor, who teaches a version of so-called prosperity gospel that says God will grant wealth and health to those who donate to her ministry, will join the Office of Public Liaison as an adviser for the Trump administration's Faith and Opportunity Initiative, the Times reported, citing an unnamed White House official. . . .

On Tuesday, White was among conservative evangelical leaders who gathered at the White House to be briefed about the president's "continuing, remarkable accomplishments." The preacher, who was a member of Trump's original evangelical advisory committee and delivered an invocation at his inauguration, often attends Trump's meetings with evangelical leaders.


www.huffpost.com

#18 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-11-19 02:06 PM | Reply

Prosperity theology does seem to have evolved out of the Evangelical movement at least the Pope and the Catholic Church thinks so:

The Prosperity Gospel: Dangerous and Different

The "prosperity gospel" is a well-known theological current emerging from the neo-Pentecostal evangelical movements. At its heart is the belief that God wants his followers to have a prosperous life, that is, to be rich, healthy and happy. This type of Christianity places the well-being of the believer at the center of prayer, and turns God the Creator into someone who makes the thoughts and desires of believers come true.

www.laciviltacattolica.com

Vatican-OK'd journal disses prosperity gospel,' U.S. evangelicals

A Vatican-approved journal has dismissed the "prosperity gospel" as a pseudo-theology dangerously tied up with the American dream and President Donald Trump's politics, launching its second major critique of U.S. evangelicals in as many years.

www.sltrib.com

Has anyone seen/heard of Evangelical preachers like Pat Robertson or Franklin Graham condemning Prosperity theology?

#19 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-11-19 02:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"His father would go fire and brimstone in him"

The disgrace of being poor is today's Fire and Brimstone.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-19 02:24 PM | Reply

I used to watch these guys A LOT.
Robert Tilton, Benny Hinn, even Pat Robertson.
All they want is your money.

Top 15 Richest and most Successful Pastors In the World
www.etinside.com

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-19 02:27 PM | Reply

#21 You had your finger on the pulse of the Prosperity Gospel then (from above article):

Names such as Oral Roberts, Pat Robertson, Benny Hinn, Robert Tilton, Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyer and others have increased their popularity and wealth thanks to their focus on knowing this gospel, emphasizing it and pushing it to its limits. Joyce Meyer says that her television program "Enjoying Everyday Life" reaches two-thirds of the world through radio and television and is translated into 38 languages.

Didn't Niceville--or someone else on here--like to cite Meyer a lot?

#22 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-11-19 02:38 PM | Reply

"You had your finger on the pulse of the Prosperity Gospel then"

I'm fascinated by con men; I've also fallen for a few.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-19 02:45 PM | Reply

"He's prosperity gospel...almost the complete opposite of a fundy."

LOL!!!

It's distinction without a difference, bonehead.

#24 | Posted by Angrydad at 2019-11-19 04:46 PM | Reply

I'd say the difference is Fundamentalists will use some of your money to champion Christian Right values, like anti-gay marriage and conversion therapy for the gays, while Prosperity Gospels will just keep all your money for themselves.

It's a subtle but important difference, the kind only a Fundamentalist would make, thinking it makes them look better.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-19 04:48 PM | Reply

Fundies and other religious con artists ARE the prosperity gospel.

#26 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-19 04:49 PM | Reply

Tilton never used The Bible to bash gays. Only to demand tribute.

I'd say that makes Tilton a better person than Pat Roberston; albeit not by much.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-19 04:56 PM | Reply

Americans sure do love them some bamboozle.

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-11-19 06:53 PM | Reply

I really like it when Kayne is silent.

#29 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-11-19 07:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

There's a reason Osteen welcomes gays into his church when a lot of the funds won't, THEY GOT MUNNY TOO!

#30 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-11-19 09:32 PM | Reply

There's a reason Osteen welcomes gays into his church when a lot of the funds won't, THEY GOT MUNNY TOO!

#31 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-11-19 09:32 PM | Reply

There's a reason Osteen welcomes gays into his church when a lot of the funds won't, THEY GOT MUNNY TOO!
#31 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

What you mean?! Kanye don't like fish sticks.

#32 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-11-19 09:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

What you mean?! Kanye don't like fish sticks.

#32 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2019-11-19 09:34 PM | FLAG:

Naw he's just looking for some business insight on how to sell a few more pairs of $50 dollar magic socks.

#33 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-11-19 09:40 PM | Reply

I really like it when Kayne is silent.

POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2019-11-19 07:01 PM | REPLY

So does Taylor Swift.

#34 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-11-20 12:16 AM | Reply

Yup. Kanye is bipolar. Off his meds again. His family and friends have let him down.

#35 | Posted by prius04 at 2019-11-20 02:59 AM | Reply

Yup. Kanye is bipolar. Off his meds again. His family and friends have let him down.
#35 | POSTED BY PRIUS04

He is surrounded by a family with a very young billionaire. The hopes being Kanye can make everyone else a billionaire too; just ride the wave. Having Trump as a connect as POTUS seems to be paying off in spades for a committed, manipulated population. The richest of televangelists know the scam; Kanye just got word.

#36 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-11-20 03:28 AM | Reply

My only wish for anyone in life is for them to find someone that looks at them like Kanye looks at himself.

#37 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-11-20 08:25 AM | Reply

I just can't imagine at the Sermon on the Mount Jesus saying, "Be completely silent as God flows through me".

#38 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-11-20 10:34 PM | Reply

"Be completely silent as God flows through me"

Best lightning rod ever.

#39 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-11-20 10:50 PM | Reply

Kayne appearing on the same stage with Joel Osteen has considerable effect. I don't believe that gives Kayne an ounce of credibility. Hope is the most addictive drug going, promising prosperity, healing, solutions to all problems, is pure unadulterated evil. God has never promised such. You can reject Christianity. But to be fair, don't compare the teaching of this gospel that Osteen and other creatures on the electric video church proclaims with what is found in any Bible I have ever read
Life is for learning, not for earning.

Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name
drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?'
"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

#40 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-11-21 12:01 AM | Reply

Joel Osteen isn't a fundamentalist LOL. He's prosperity gospel...almost the complete opposite of a fundy.

#4 | Posted by GOnoles92

He's just as dangerous.

So close enough.

#41 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-21 12:10 AM | Reply

Under Joel, they bought the Rocket's old arena, previously known as the Compaq Center, and turned it into their megachurch.

#9 | Posted by sitzkrieg

And refused to open it to Harvey victims (until negative press forced them to...) even while furniture stores allowed the displaced to come in and sleep on the display beds.

#42 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-21 12:17 AM | Reply

Corky,

"Fundies and other religious con artists ARE the prosperity gospel."

Your over generalization isn't entirely true.

What you apparently are unaware of is there are Christians who agree with you this is a con job.

We feel saddened and hurt that something we hold dear is being made into a mockery.

It just reinforces all the negative stereotypes about Christians and money.

#43 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-11-21 10:01 AM | Reply

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