Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Tuesday, November 19, 2019

The second week of the House impeachment hearings is underway, with the first two of four witnesses testifying. The first hearing features testimony from Jennifer Williams, an aide to Vice President Mike Pence, and Alexander Vindman, a National Security Council official who heard the president's July 25 call with the Ukrainian president. Two other officials -- Kurt Volker and Tim Morrison -- will testify in the afternoon.

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I have a Twilight Zone marathon to watch. I expect it will be more believable than impeachpalooza part 3.

#1 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-19 10:07 AM | Reply

Is it that time of year again already?

I wonder what Adam Shiff has under the impeachment tree for us this year?

I know what we have for Humpy! But I am not telling.

Ok boys and girls. Get your thinking caps on and it's Time for the traitors, Pootins Puppies, to deflect delay and obstruct!

And don't forget to intimidate those witnesses!

#2 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-11-19 10:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It's just fine for the Trumpies to pretend Lt. Col. Vindman is a despicable liar so that his testimony won't harm the Liar in Chief.

#3 | Posted by danni at 2019-11-19 10:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Re # 1

Oh lookie!!! A Never the Truther!

Pootin Puppy #1 is already at the deflection and denial wheel.

Spin that denial wheel Nulli!

Tell us how it's all a hoax! Tell us how all those professional diplomats and national security experts are lying traitors.

Tell us to get over it. And.

Corruption is how it's always been done.

#4 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-11-19 10:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

#1 | Posted by nullifidian at

That's the sign post, up ahead...The Impeachment Zone.

#5 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-19 10:26 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

This is a WAY bigger deal than lying about a -------.

If you disagree the terrorists win.

You're either with the rule of law or against it.

#6 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2019-11-19 10:30 AM | Reply

--Tell us how all those professional diplomats and national security experts are lying traitors.

That's what the left said for years prior to Nov. 8th, 2016

#7 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-19 10:30 AM | Reply

#1 and 7

You just keep getting stupider and stupider.

#8 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-19 10:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Just a couple more never Trumpers I'm sure.

#9 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-19 10:36 AM | Reply

Re # 5

Oy! You found the funny!

Nicely done!

#10 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-11-19 10:42 AM | Reply

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Interesting....

Democratic congressman blasts impeachment hearings, says process reminds him of 'third-world nations'

www.foxnews.com

#11 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-11-19 10:47 AM | Reply

#11 he thinks it's a political mistake, not that Trump isn't guilty.

As for expecting bipartisanship as a condition of impeachment, that's just stupid in this political climate. The Repubs are never going to get onboard.

#12 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-19 10:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Oh Yeah Jeff... FAUX puts a democrat on to set us straight... eye roll

no wonder yourt team repeatedly leaves offiuce in disgrace

If yer lucky Trumplethinskin will find those WMDs

#13 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-11-19 10:54 AM | Reply

Takling about bipartisanship ...

Vindman's testimony is that he thought the Ukraine call was "inappropriate" because it might put U.S. bipartisan support of Ukraine at risk. In other words, it was a policy disagreement about risks and priorities. Normal business. #NextHoaxPlease
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#14 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-19 10:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Republicans are determined to try and out the whistleblower.

Get over it boys.

We don't even need the whistleblower so all they are doing is being vindictive and wasting time. You don't get to ruin his/her life. Sorry!

But Hunter Biden made some money!

Don Jr and Jared are outraged!

#15 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-11-19 10:59 AM | Reply

We are kinda done here ... thanks for the banner headlines RCade ...

#16 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-19 11:00 AM | Reply

"In other words, it was a policy disagreement about risks and priorities. national security concern. "

FTFY

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-11-19 11:02 AM | Reply

#12 Here are some quotes from this guy:

"We have to understand, impeachment is something that's supposed to be exceptionally unusual. It is supposed to be bipartisan. It is supposed to be fair," Van Drew said on the latest episode of Fox Nation's "Maria Bartiromo's Insiders."

"This has nothing to do with whether you like Donald Trump, or don't like him, or want to see him have a second term or win in an election. This has to do with the institution of impeachment itself and not misusing it," he argued.

"You know, De Tocqueville in 1853 wrote that if a nation was more and more often using...impeachment as a way of actually removing its leaders, it would show the deterioration of the nation," Van Drew said.

"It is so rarely used, should be rarely used. And as I've mentioned to you before, it is something that during the hundreds of years of American history has never been successfully used," he added.


Sounds to me that he thinks the process is being abused.

#18 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-11-19 11:03 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

It was a national security concern. The man was doing his job for America.

You know.

Like you do your job.. for Mother Russia.

#19 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-11-19 11:03 AM | Reply

"This has to do with the institution of impeachment itself and not misusing it," he argued."

The charges will include: Abuse of power. Obstruction of Justice. Bribery. Extortion. Witness intimidation.

So it's quite appropriate.

"It is so rarely used, should be rarely used."

These are rare times.

Pay attention children. History is happening before your eyes.

History does not repeat itself. But it does have a certain rhythm and rhyme.

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-11-19 11:07 AM | Reply

@#18 ... Sounds to me that he thinks the process is being abused. ...

Sounds to me as if Fox News is trying to set the conversation about something, anything, other than what the witnesses are saying.

Why might that be?

#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-19 11:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#14 ... it was a policy disagreement about risks and priorities. Normal business. ...

Really? Normal business?

Using US taxpayer dollars to bribe a foreign official into investigating a political opponent is normal business?

You are going to have to try harder than that.

Really.

#22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-19 11:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Using US taxpayer dollars to bribe a foreign official into investigating a political opponent is normal business?

#22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-19 11

Unitary Executive, El Caudillo, Big Brother, Fuhrerprinzip, etc.

After a while you learn this is what the Trumpites want, with the weird expectation none of it will hurt them but only I and Thou.

#23 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-19 11:16 AM | Reply

@#23 ... Unitary Executive, El Caudillo, Big Brother, Fuhrerprinzip, etc.

After a while you learn this is what the Trumpites want, ...


Given Pres Trump's L'etat C'est Moi belief and AG Barr's recent speech about the supreme power of the Executive Office, I'm leaning towards thinking you may be correct.

#24 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-19 11:19 AM | Reply

So the whole questioning session by the GOP counsel was pretty pointless.

#25 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-11-19 11:20 AM | Reply

Sounds to me as if Fox News is trying to set the conversation about something, anything, other than what the witnesses are saying.
Why might that be?
#21 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

A Democrat congressman is ripping the process. What you call a "conversation" is actually straight-up news.

#26 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-11-19 11:22 AM | Reply

"Vindman's testimony is that he thought the Ukraine call was "inappropriate" because it might put U.S. bipartisan support of Ukraine at risk. In other words, it was a policy disagreement about risks and priorities."

Bingo.

#27 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-11-19 11:22 AM | Reply

#11

A Democrat that disagrees with Democrats? Say it ain't so! It's a shock to Republicans to see someone that breaks ranks and has an independent opinion. What's the use of being a jack-booted thug if a fellow hooligan doesn't agree in lock-step with the others. How do Democrats function without being on the same page? Democrats will never be effective totalitarians by that standard.

#28 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-11-19 11:23 AM | Reply

I'm leaning towards thinking you may be correct.

#24 | Posted by LampLighter

One of the things I've noticed is how indignant Trumpites get when they see someone who is not afraid of Trump, like several recent impeachment witnesses.

NOT being afraid of your leader used to be a great thing about being an American.

#29 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-19 11:24 AM | Reply

I have a Twilight Zone marathon to watch. I expect it will be more believable than impeachpalooza part 3.

#1 | Posted by nullifidian

You have reality to avoid. That way you can remain ignorant but still post as if you know everything.

#30 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-11-19 11:24 AM | Reply

"Vindman's testimony is that he thought the Ukraine call was "inappropriate" because it might put U.S. bipartisan support of Ukraine at risk. In other words, it was a policy disagreement about risks and priorities."

Bingo.

#27 | Posted by visitor_

Changing policies to serve the president's political purposes instead of america's national security isn't a "policy difference", it's an abuse of power.

#31 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-11-19 11:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Trumpites represent a sub-culture of "Americanism" I did not grow up with. Funny thing is I know they didn't grow up with it also.

#32 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-19 11:26 AM | Reply

the president's political purposes

#31 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

Are what the Trumpites support, regardless.

I don't think I'll hear much argument about this from them.

#33 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-19 11:28 AM | Reply

Everyone in the military, the Cia, the nsc, the fbi, all of the ambassador's, all of the secretaries, and their assistants are liars. Only we and fox news tell the truth.

---Donnie and the trumpet-blowers-----

#34 | Posted by kudzu at 2019-11-19 11:29 AM | Reply

Vindman Just Destroyed Trump's Ukraine Call Cover Story
www.politicususa.com

...Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman testified on Tuesday that he listened to both of Trump's Ukraine calls, and corruption was never mentioned.

Here was the exchange:

Q: So it is a part of U.S. Official policy that Ukraine should root out corruption, even if President Trump did not mention it in the April 21st phone call, is that right?

Vindman: Certainly.

Q: And he also did not mention it in the July 25th phone call, is that right?

Vindman: Correct.

Q: So even though it was included in his talking points for the April 21st call, and presumably even though you can't talk about it for the July 21st call, it was not included in either, is that right?

For the April 21st call "

He did not mention it in either, rather.

Vindman: Correct.

Q: So when the president says now that he held up security assistance because he was concerned about rooting out corruption in Ukraine, that concern was not expressed in the two phone conversations that he had with president Zelinsky earlier this year, is that right?

Vindman: Correct.


Well, isn't that interesting.


No wonder there is such an effort to characterize the call differently.

#35 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-19 11:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Democratic congressman blasts impeachment hearings, says process reminds him of 'third-world nations'

True if you just watch the Republican's efforts to out the WB, corrupt the process, obfuscate, and pay homage to their "King" who has them by their 'nads.

#36 | Posted by yav at 2019-11-19 11:37 AM | Reply

Q: "President Trump demanded a favor of President Zelensky to conduct investigations that both of you acknowledge were for President Trump's political interests, not the national interest... is that an accurate summary?"

Vindman: "Yes."

Williams: "Yes."

...and that's the ballgame. Drive home safely.

#37 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-11-19 11:39 AM | Reply

That's an opinion. An investigation of the Biden's financial dealings, influence peddling is very much in the National interest.

#38 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-11-19 11:50 AM | Reply | Funny: 3

That's an opinion. An investigation of the Biden's financial dealings, influence peddling is very much in the National interest.

#38 | Posted by visitor_

Then why did they hide the request for that investigation in a secret server not intended to hide that type of information?

#39 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-11-19 11:53 AM | Reply

Trump is a trust fund kiddie who squandered his inheritance with many failed businesses who then turned to fraud and money laundering.
He is a weak mobster and the rest of the world knows it.

#40 | Posted by bored at 2019-11-19 11:54 AM | Reply

Where would suggest they put it? Facebook?

#41 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-11-19 11:55 AM | Reply

@#38 ... An investigation of the Biden's financial dealings, influence peddling is very much in the National interest. ...

Not if US taxpayer money is being used to bride foreign officials to conduct such investigations for self-serving political purposes.


#42 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-19 11:58 AM | Reply

@#41 ... Where would suggest they put it? Facebook? ...

They should have put it through the normal process, and not secret it away on secret classified servers.

#43 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-19 11:59 AM | Reply

Bribe? Other than Obama's midnight pallet-o-cash to support Iranian terrorists, foreign aid always has strings.

#44 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-11-19 12:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

@#44 ... Bribe? ...

Yes, bride.


... foreign aid always has strings. ...

But those strings (in this case, bribes) should be of benefit to the Country, and not of benefit to the political goals of the person offering the bribe.


#45 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-19 12:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Other than Obama's midnight pallet-o-cash

#44 | Posted by visitor_ at

Are you really so ticked-off that someone is trying to hold Trump accountable that you make up lies about other people to satisfy yourself?

Beyond that, George W. Bush did fly an actual pallet of cash to Iraq in the middle of the war and the locals were tossed gobs of it from the back of the plane in what were called (no joke) footballs.

Millions and millions of dollars.

No accounting for any of it, or who got it, or what it was used for. Some of us complained at the time that insurgents and al-Qaida got a lot of it but were met by the same kind of cow-like indifference fans of Trump now project whenever Donald is caught doing anything exceptionally stupid or criminal.

#46 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-19 12:45 PM | Reply

Democratic congressman blasts impeachment hearings, says process reminds him of 'third-world nations'
----
True if you just watch the Republican's efforts to out the WB, corrupt the process, obfuscate, and pay homage to their "King" who has them by their 'nads.

#36 | POSTED BY YAV

Surely you realize that this Dem rep is blasting his own party's handling of this, not the GOP.

#47 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-11-19 12:46 PM | Reply

Democratic congressman blasts impeachment hearings, says process reminds him of 'third-world nations'
----

The crimes at hand remind me a lot of Third World nations. Thanks, Donald.

Impeachment, however, is in the Constitution. This is the most appropriate application we've seen of it since Nixon, and maybe ever.

#48 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-19 12:49 PM | Reply

"Surely you realize that this Dem rep is blasting his own party's handling of this..." - #47 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-11-19 12:46 PM

Rep. Justin Amash, lone GOP critic of Trump, leaves Republican Party
Apparently, the lone Democratic representative doesn't have the same courage as the lone GOP representative.

#49 | Posted by Hans at 2019-11-19 12:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

... Surely you realize that this Dem rep is blasting his own party's handling of this, not the GOP. ...

So it shows that, within the Democratic Party, disagreement with the leaders of the Democratic party is allowed.

I'd say that is a good thing, and quite refreshing in comparison to the Republicans cowering silently instead of criticizing Pres Trump.

That aside, what do you think about the testimony today?


#50 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-19 01:02 PM | Reply

Bribe? Other than Obama's midnight pallet-o-cash to support Iranian terrorists, foreign aid always has strings.

#44 | Posted by visitor_

Yeah it has strings for the country, not strings for the corrupt con man president dum dum.

Again - Why did they hide the call on a classified server?

#51 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-11-19 01:05 PM | Reply

So Vindman fed it to Ciaramella. More connected dots!

#52 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-11-19 01:06 PM | Reply

That aside, what do you think about the testimony today?

#50 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

I haven't really been following it. Just doing some drive-by blogging here.

#53 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-11-19 01:07 PM | Reply

I can't watch it all in real time, but it looks like the Democrats are establishing the evidence needed to bolster their bribery case and the Russiapublicans are spending their time whining and failing to establish evidence that exonerates the POTUS.

This is going to be a Spinal Tap moment, where the Russiapublicans are complaining about "If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times, it's Spinal Tap, THEN puppet show."

Clown car.

P.S. Gym Jordan needs to buy a sportscoat and we may need to rename Gish Gallop to include his name moving forward.

#54 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-11-19 01:09 PM | Reply

So Vindman fed it to Ciaramella. More connected dots!

#52 | Posted by wisgod

Why are you still trying to figure out who called the cops instead of talking about the bank robber?

#55 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-11-19 01:10 PM | Reply

"Again - Why did they hide the call on a classified server?" Because they couldn't get the password for Hillary's toilet server from Crowd-strike or they didn't want the CIA/FBI to leak it.

#56 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-11-19 01:11 PM | Reply

@#56

Now your comments are just getting silly.

#57 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-19 01:12 PM | Reply

@#41 ... Where would suggest they put it? Facebook? ...

With Humpy's tax returns. Should be safe there for another few months.

#58 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-11-19 01:14 PM | Reply

"Why are you still trying to figure out who called the cops instead of talking about the bank robber?"

Because the person who called the cops is a rat and rats need to be exterminated.

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-19 01:16 PM | Reply

@#53 ... I haven't really been following it ...

I am catching parts of it when I have the ability to sit in front of the TV for a bit.

Rep Jordan's question time with Lt Col Vindman was excellent.

Try as he could to ruin Lt Col Vindman's reputation, Rep Jordan just succeeded once again in showing that he has nothing.

It was even worse for Rep Jordan than the time that Rep Ocasio-Cortez owned him during the Michael Cohen hearing.

And Rep Jordan is the Republican hot-shot? If that's true, then the Republicans really got nothing but hollow bluster.



#60 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-19 01:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Because the person who called the cops is a rat and rats need to be exterminated.

#59 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

And don't forget to investigate the cops for having the Partisan gall to show up and stop the robbery.

And then for good measure.

Investigate the Investigators!

#61 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-11-19 01:18 PM | Reply

Speaks, you cowards should watch "The Ox Bow Incident"

#62 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-11-19 01:19 PM | Reply

Bet Uncle Joe is feeling vindicated. Just look at the Polls!

#63 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-11-19 01:21 PM | Reply

Vindman is an unelected bureaucrat who was offended that Trump didn't use the talking points that were determined and written by the State Dept. "experts". Maybe it's because of the fact that the State Dep't. "experts haven't been so "expert" lately. Over the past couple of decades they have tended to get a lot of people killed.

#64 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2019-11-19 01:22 PM | Reply

"Again - Why did they hide the call on a classified server?" Because they couldn't get the password for Hillary's toilet server from Crowd-strike or they didn't want the CIA/FBI to leak it.

#56 | Posted by visitor_

When confronted with solid evidence of criminal intent, you make jokes.

#65 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-11-19 01:22 PM | Reply

Vindman is an unelected bureaucrat who was offended that Trump didn't use the talking points that were determined and written by the State Dept. "experts". Maybe it's because of the fact that the State Dep't. "experts haven't been so "expert" lately. Over the past couple of decades they have tended to get a lot of people killed.

#64 | Posted by bogey1355

Why did trump hide the call on a classified server?

#66 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-11-19 01:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Speaks, you cowards should watch "The Ox Bow Incident"

#62 | Posted by wisgod

What makes me a coward? You're the one afraid to stand up to a lifelong con artist.

#67 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-11-19 01:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Wussy ( choose your insult) should watch the 1958 episode of "Trackdown"

youtu.be

#68 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-11-19 01:27 PM | Reply

... Vindman is an unelected bureaucrat who was offended that Trump didn't use the talking points that were determined and written by the State Dept. "experts".Vindman is an unelected bureaucrat ...

www.axios.com

...Earlier in the hearing, Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) asked Vindman about Morrison's concerns about his judgment. Vindman responded by reading aloud former top Russia adviser Fiona Hill's final performance review of his work:

"Alex is a top 1% military officer and the best Army officer I have worked with in my 15 years of government service.

He is brilliant, unflappable and exercises excellent judgment."


...


#69 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-19 01:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#69 was in reply to #64, I forgot to put the message number in the sentence I quoted.

#70 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-19 01:31 PM | Reply

You're the one afraid to stand up to a lifelong con artist.

Wissy is a partisan whoore.

He won't stand up to Trump's destruction of our federal government.

But he sure was PO'd when Obama wore a tan suit.

#71 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-11-19 01:32 PM | Reply

I am spoooo relieved!

It was just a little "policy disagreement"!

Whew!

Trump's policy was PROMOTING more corruption in Ukraine and America's policy was to PREVENTING more corruption!

See? Just a little policy disagreement!

Glad we cleared that up.

#72 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-11-19 01:37 PM | Reply

So the sycophantic Drumpf supporters on this site can't find anything to counter the devastating and increasingly overwhelming evidence of Donny's abuse of power and bribery that they are insisting we tune in to their propaganda station to hear a lone Democrat complaining about the impeachment? Which Democrat is it, and is said Democrat up for reelection in a Red State (not that anybody cares about Russiapublican propaganda TV)?

I caught the part about the word, "bribery" not being used in depositions. Quite stunning how utterly incompetent their flailing defense is. Even more stunning is how Russiapublicans are buying all this nonsense as if it exonerates their orange fuhrer. I already have a low bar for Team R stupidity, but it really is the abyss. There is no limit.

#73 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-11-19 01:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

There is no limit.

#73 | POSTED BY CHUFFY

THAT rabbit hole is very deep and them damn fools are still furiously digging!

#74 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-11-19 01:41 PM | Reply

Sen Ballsnot; Sir what is that gizmo on your uniform?
LtCol; that is a purple heart.
Sen Ballsnot; Dayum! how you git something like that??
LtCol; I was wounded by a ied in combat.
Sen Ballsnot; NO?! Really?

The entire sane sensible population of the USA; Jayzuz KAYrist! someone snag that gotdamn idiot senator off the stage!

#75 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-11-19 01:49 PM | Reply

Republicans:

Biden, Biden, impeachment sham, media in bed with Dems, who's the whistleblower?

Did I miss anything?

#76 | Posted by Pirate at 2019-11-19 01:57 PM | Reply

Oops, I forgot...

Smear witnesses

#77 | Posted by Pirate at 2019-11-19 01:58 PM | Reply

Speaks, you cowards should watch "The Ox Bow Incident"

#62 | Posted by wisgod at

Read the short story it was based on. Much different.

#78 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-19 01:59 PM | Reply

Like the Walker recall you went all in on, Old Man? Keep swinging. Even a blind man might make contact

#79 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-11-19 02:06 PM | Reply

Phester is a pencil neck wannabe making ---- up

#80 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-11-19 02:08 PM | Reply

Clown, i appreciate you making Schiff up. Nice argument when you're getting fingered

#81 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-11-19 02:10 PM | Reply

"i appreciate you making Schiff up."

Speaking of, tell us again how you pay a higher state income tax rate than Wisconsin charges.

#82 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-19 02:14 PM | Reply

Every time I hear a Russiapublican say the word, "Hearsay," I think of Linda Tripp.

In this case, the Russiapublicans on the committee kept asking two first-hand participants on the call to offer up hearsay about Biden and Burisma instead of, you know, first-hand knowledge of the Perfect Call.

Losers.

#83 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-11-19 03:04 PM | Reply

Good lord! could this get more boring???

#84 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-11-19 03:56 PM | Reply

could this get more boring???
#84 | POSTED BY MSGT

You must be confusing impeachment hearings for a WWF super slam.

Why don't you go stick a fork in a light socket and let the adults bring the criminal Trump Administration to justice.

#85 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-11-19 03:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Nice argument when you're getting fingered
#81 | POSTED BY WISGOD

Is that your personal fetish? You enjoy playing with your prostate?

I'd say TMI, but thanks for sharing, I guess.

#86 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-11-19 04:02 PM | Reply

Former Trump NSC Russia Director just now confirming that Trump deleted his bribe request from the original call record in the version the WH released.

Also that the NSC Dir told him that putting the original call on a special server was an, "admin mistake".

Trump's Special Envoy to the Ukraine tells the Committee that Rudy gave the Ukraine the terms, "the deliverables" required; the quid pro quo to get a meeting with Trump.

#87 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-19 04:39 PM | Reply

Former Trump NSC Russia Director Morrison just now confirming to the Committee that the dirt on Biden was indeed a quid pro quo requirement by Trump to release the military aide the Ukraine needed.

That must be really "boring" for rwingers.

#88 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-19 04:54 PM | Reply

Nunes starts out with perception concerns... "TV ratings are down". Expect another 45 minutes of the same.

#89 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-19 04:58 PM | Reply

Glad it stuck in your head, Danfroth. At least there's something taking up space, one trick pony!

#90 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-11-19 05:13 PM | Reply

"Glad it stuck in your head"

You've still never explained how your income tax rate is more than twice the top state rate.

#91 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-19 05:14 PM | Reply

Oh, look! Corky rose from the dead!

#92 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-11-19 05:14 PM | Reply

So you'll have to wait another 4 years. You make AmericanUnity look like a newer antique, old timer

#93 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-11-19 05:17 PM | Reply

"So you'll have to wait another 4 years."

Because you can't simply admit you were either clueless or lying?

No surprise there.

#94 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-19 05:19 PM | Reply

No surprise that you are infatuated.

#95 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-11-19 05:24 PM | Reply

"No surprise that you are infatuated."

No surprise "infatuated" is another word you don't understand, like "rate".

#96 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-19 05:26 PM | Reply

WisGod, I see, is still sniffing Trump's cheese.

#97 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-19 05:29 PM | Reply

Wisgod shows up here on every day that is really bad for trump to declare that everything is awesome and dems are losing and trump is winning.

Wisgod's presence means trump is effed.

#98 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-11-19 05:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Dems look like fools and Schiff is called a liar to his face and has no response. Maybe the Dems still have a strong closing somewhere but each day just gets worse for them. They are simply not smart individuals - so, expected that they look like fools every time they allow public hearings.

#99 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-19 07:33 PM | Reply

"each day just gets worse for them."

Riiiiiiiight. Each day more and more people come forward to be sworn, under penalties of perjury or worse, while you pretend they're the liars, and everyone who won't raise their right hand is telling the truth.

Meanwhile, Nunes can't even refer to a decorated soldier without insulting his earned rank.

#100 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-19 07:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#99..... speaking of fools.

Schiff's wrap-up just now of the testimony thus far was factually compelling. Sworn witness testimony that Trump did indeed act in such a manner that the impeachment language in the Constitution was written to provide for is undeniable.

Trump demanded a quid pro quo agreement with the Ukraine that they investigate his political opponent in exchange for the military aide they needed as out allies to fight the Russians.

This is the very definition of official bribery; demanding a personal benefit in exchange for a public one.

And since it is undeniable, Republicans were left only with making snide political remarks or saying that, yeah, obviously he did that, but it doesn't matter.

#101 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-19 08:40 PM | Reply

as our

#102 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-19 08:41 PM | Reply

You just don't get it.
There's nothing. trump's not a regular politician taken from the pool of upperclass sickos. there's no skeleton in his closet that can sink him like with everyone else. You won't "just find something" if you dig into his personal life, because Trump (unlike nearly everyone else) isn't a------------ drug addict who got rich off bribes.
You're just used to everyone in charge being slime because slime is all that's ever been an option.

#103 | Posted by mutant at 2019-11-19 10:15 PM | Reply

....The worst part of it is that Ukraine was under full Soviet control a few decades ago. You think those networks disappeared? No. They are just using the pretext of "Chaos" there to funnel bribes into DNC (communist) hands. So while the (overt) Russian interference is a bit of a hoax, the covert Russian interference (via Ukraine slush funds) is very real and the democrats all have their hands deep in the cookie jar.

The entire DNC should be executed for treason.

#104 | Posted by mutant at 2019-11-19 10:20 PM | Reply

"Riiiiiiiight. Each day more and more people come forward to be sworn, under penalties of perjury or worse, while you pretend they're the liars, and everyone who won't raise their right hand is telling the truth."

Well, I just saw Vindman lie - along with Adam Schiff as pointed out by Jim Jordan. If Vindman does not know the identity, there there is no issue telling the names of the people he spoke with. Same goes for Schiff. The only logical conclusion is that they do indeed know the identity and are currently lying about it - which is why Jordan called Schiff a liar to his face.

As for the rest, as I pointed out when this whole mess started, it comes down to a question of Trump's intent as the actions fit into a gray area. Using the Dems twisted logic, any action by Trump that helps him politically is a quid pro quo even if that action is also in the best interest of the country. By that moronic reasoning, Trump working on the USMCA with foreign leaders would be a quid pro quo with a foreign government as passing the USMCA would be a giant personal, political win for Trump. So, please explain how that is not quid pro quo under your new definition.

"Meanwhile, Nunes can't even refer to a decorated soldier without insulting his earned rank.
#100 | POSTED BY DANFORTH "

Well, I am glad that Nunes could get the Dems to finally respect our military. That lack of respect on the part of the Dems was present for years. Further, on the part of Nunes, it was clearly a brain fart, not an intentional slight. Personally, I find these titles ridiculous and un-American. We are all equal - leave your coplay character title name at home.

#105 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-19 10:34 PM | Reply

"the covert Russian interference (via Ukraine slush funds) is very real and the democrats all have their hands deep in the cookie jar.
#104 | POSTED BY MUTANT"

The entire 'foreign interference' outrage is ridiculous given the Steele Dossier AND statements directly from the Ukrainian government trying to influence the election for Hillary.

First, we have Steele - a FOREIGN NATIONAL
Second, we have Steele's sources (or he purports them to be) - one identified Ukrainian government official and other current and former Russian officials
Third, we don't have anything under the pretense of a legitimate criminal wrongdoing, it was digging dirt for the purpose of smearing

Sorry, but Dems can blow their fake foreign interference concerns out their asses at this point.

#106 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-19 10:50 PM | Reply

"Well, I just saw Vindman lie - along with Adam Schiff as pointed out by Jim Jordan."

Jordan is still busy getting egg off his face from his shameless lie, and getting exposed in real time. How stupid is he, not to think Vindeman would be ready for him? Jordan claimed Vindeman's boss, Dr. Fiona Hill had doubted Vindeman's judgement. Vindeman produced his most recent performance review--authored by Dr. Hill herself--praising Vindeman, saying he was the best she'd ever worked with, and specifically praising his judgement.

Omelettes all around; plenty of egg.

#107 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-19 10:57 PM | Reply

"The worst part of it is that Ukraine was under full Soviet control a few decades ago."

More than that.
If you listened to Andrea, a mattress and Nullifidian five years ago, the Ukraine government was Nazi!
I wonder where they got that idea...

#108 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-19 11:11 PM | Reply

"...AND statements directly from the Ukrainian government trying to influence the election for Hillary."
"Dems can blow their fake foreign interference concerns out their asses at this point."

Interesting: you're sick and tired of fake foreign interference concerns...

...just not your own.

#109 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-19 11:12 PM | Reply

"Jordan is still busy getting egg off his face from his shameless lie, and getting exposed in real time. How stupid is he, not to think Vindeman would be ready for him?"

Egg on his face? LOL, you must not understand the difference between testimony under oath an a job review. Probably because you never had a job or were in a position as a manger.

"Jordan claimed Vindeman's boss, Dr. Fiona Hill had doubted Vindeman's judgement. Vindeman produced his most recent performance review
#107 | POSTED BY DANFORTH"

Again, one is testimony, one is a job review. Learn the difference. You probably also missed when Vindman's current boss was asked if we wanted to withdraw his characterization of Vindman as a leaker - he said NO. Vindman does himself no favor by pretending to be holier than thou and yet clearly lying about his knowledge of the 'whistleblower's identity' and his role in starting the entire process.

#110 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-19 11:38 PM | Reply

#109 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Nowhere did I say they should be prosecuted for it - this is standard politics. It is the current Dem position to try to change the rules of the game - they were just so damn dumb they didn't think they would get caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

#111 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-19 11:40 PM | Reply

"Egg on his face? LOL, you must not understand the difference between testimony under oath an a job review. Probably because you never had a job or were in a position as a manger"

You're right; I was never a "manger". I did run an office for 20 years, and the last budget I worked on was $94 million. Job reviews were a standard aspect.

Beyond that, you're clearly tap dancing. Jordan was basically rounding first in his home run trot while catcher Vindeman is holding strike three.

#112 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-19 11:49 PM | Reply

"Nowhere did I say they should be prosecuted for it "

True. You simply decried fake foreign influence, right after a fake claim about foreign influence.

#113 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-19 11:51 PM | Reply

"Again, one is testimony, one is a job review."

You're purposely avoiding the salient point: Jordan claimed Hill doubted Vindeman's judgement, without a shred of evidence.

Then Gym was shredded.

#114 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-19 11:53 PM | Reply

"You probably also missed when Vindman's current boss was asked if we wanted to withdraw his characterization of Vindman as a leaker - he said NO."

Was that Morrison, who's relatively new to the job, and admitted under oath he's a Trump supporter?

#115 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-19 11:54 PM | Reply

"yet clearly lying about his knowledge of the 'whistleblower's identity' and his role in starting the entire process."

Great. So now we're back to You had no right to discover my wrongs.

#116 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-19 11:55 PM | Reply

"You're right; I was never a "manger". I did run an office for 20 years, and the last budget I worked on was $94 million. Job reviews were a standard aspect."

First, that seems highly dooubtful given your multiple moronic statements betraying your total lack of knowledge of anything finance related. Second, do you understand the difference between teacher comments on a 3rd grade report card and testimony under oath? I ask because apparently you don't.

"Beyond that, you're clearly tap dancing. Jordan was basically rounding first in his home run trot while catcher Vindeman is holding strike three.
#112 | POSTED BY DANFORTH "

Might have a point if the description of Vindman was from a single individual - it was from his former boss, current boss, and multiple colleagues - all stating he is a liar and a leaker. To disprove this characterization, Vindman lied under oath about his knowledge of the 'whistleblower'. Or, you want to pretend he does not know who the 'whistleblower' is?

#117 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-20 12:18 AM | Reply

"Jordan claimed Hill doubted Vindeman's judgement, without a shred of evidence.
#114 | POSTED BY DANFORTH "

The evidence is multiple statements made under oath. Sorry, that dog ain't gonna hunt.

#118 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-20 12:20 AM | Reply

""yet clearly lying about his knowledge of the 'whistleblower's identity' and his role in starting the entire process."
Great. So now we're back to You had no right to discover my wrongs.
#116 | POSTED BY DANFORTH "

No, we are assessing credibility of witnesses and Vindman is caught perjuring himself. Schiff would be in the same bought if he was under oath. They lied - everyone knows that they lied. Why continue to lie? Vindman should be charged with lying to Congress. Regardless, his testimony will be judged because of this known lie.

#119 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-20 12:22 AM | Reply

"The evidence is multiple statements made under oath. "

No, that's not what happened, although it's cute you keep feigning stupidity. Jordan specifically referred to Fiona Hill's doubts about Vindman's judgement, right before Vindman produced Fiona Hill's own words praising his judgement.

Gym Jordan will be making omelettes for months, with all that egg on his face.

#120 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-20 12:23 AM | Reply

" that seems highly dooubtful given your multiple moronic statements betraying your total lack of knowledge of anything finance related. "

Bwahahahahahaha!

Upthread you claimed I'd never had a job. Your credibility, if you ever had any, is shot.

Enjoy Sondland tomorrow.

#121 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-20 12:25 AM | Reply

"Jordan specifically referred to Fiona Hill's doubts about Vindman's judgement, right before Vindman produced Fiona Hill's own words praising his judgement.
#120 | POSTED BY DANFORTH "

Jordan was referring to Fiona Hill's deposition than was given on Oct. 14th. Again - do you know the difference between teacher comments on a 3rd grade report card and testimony under oath? Clearly you don't.

#122 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-20 12:26 AM | Reply

"Vindman should be charged with lying to Congress."

Volker on line #1 for you. Sondland, line #2.

#123 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-20 12:26 AM | Reply

"Upthread you claimed I'd never had a job. Your credibility, if you ever had any, is shot.
#121 | POSTED BY DANFORTH "

Based on your multiple moronic statements, it is doubtful that you ever had a job. A job in a position to write job reviews? Absolutely not.

But here is your question - again - given two conflicting documents, one written under oath and one completely non-binding, which do you believe?

#124 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-20 12:28 AM | Reply

"Jordan was referring to Fiona Hill's deposition than was given on Oct. 14th."

You're lying; the word "judgment" doesn't even appear in the transcript.

#125 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-20 12:35 AM | Reply

"it is doubtful that you ever had a job."

It's doubtful you ever had a brain.

But feel free to post the exact quote you've claimed, from the October 14 deposition, liar.

#126 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-20 12:37 AM | Reply

"Again - do you know the difference between teacher comments on a 3rd grade report card and testimony under oath? Clearly you don't."

Don't look now, but I'm not the one claiming something happened under oath that didn't.

Either produce the exact section where Dr. Hill is questioning Vindman's "judgement" under oath, or retract your lie.

#127 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-20 12:40 AM | Reply

Please one person who worked at the Ukrainian Embassy recall a time that Yakanovich called Trump a POS or bemused whistfully about his political ouster. You'll probably get "riched" but your patriotism is appreciated.

#128 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2019-11-20 12:50 AM | Reply

Trump's star witnesses: "Biden is an honorable man and we hold him in the highest regard. There is no basis to these conspiracies Trump is pushing."

#129 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-11-20 01:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Well, that was rather ironic.

In a discussion about Gym Jordan barfing a bald-faced lie and getting caught, Rube Goldberg barfs a bald-faced lie and gets caught.

#130 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-20 01:25 AM | Reply

Regarding the tone of the "praiseworthy" ambassadors/witnesses, please read "talking to Strangers" by Malcolm Gladwell.
Specifically the chapter about the Cuban ambassador.

#131 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-11-20 08:10 AM | Reply

Judging by the activity on the impeachment blog post, impeachment fever is fizzing out.

#132 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-11-20 08:24 AM | Reply

The Democrats are having an impeachment inquiry for Donald J Trump. The republicans are having an impeachment inquiry for Hunter Biden and all of the witnesses

#133 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-11-20 08:34 AM | Reply

VISITOR

"Judging by the activity on the impeachment blog post, impeachment fever is fizzing out.

Naw, they're just dehydriated from the night sweats.

Nobody really cares if he gets booted out by the Senate. We just want him to be politically destroyed by November/20.

Same difference.

#134 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-11-20 08:37 AM | Reply

If true, could make today interesting:

Sondland Will Trash Rudy in Impeachment Hearing

"We weren't happy with the President's directive to talk with Rudy," he said. "We did not want to involve Mr. Giuliani."

www.thedailybeast.com

#135 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-11-20 08:43 AM | Reply

"Nobody really cares if he gets booted out by the Senate. We just want him to be politically destroyed by November/20."

Or put another way:

Nobody beleives he will get booted out by the Senate. We just want the sordid truth about him to be out there before November/20.

#136 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-11-20 08:45 AM | Reply

-- We just want him to be politically destroyed by November/20.

Nice of you to admit what the real agenda is and always has been.

#137 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-20 08:48 AM | Reply

GAL

I call that "Plan A." ~ LOL

#138 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-11-20 08:49 AM | Reply

NULLI

"Nice of you to admit what the real agenda is and always has been."

What did you expect . . . a ticker-tape parade?

#139 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-11-20 08:53 AM | Reply

GAL

"Sondland Will Trash Rudy in Impeachment Hearing"

You're probably right. The candidates for scapegoat is getting small.

Bigger fish always eat smaller fish.

I expect Sondland to resign . . . followed by Pompeo.

#140 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-11-20 09:00 AM | Reply

This thread reminds me of the scene in men in black where will Smith shows up to take the aptitude test with all those special forces guys.

"Does anyone in know why you are here today"

"Because your looking for the best of the best of the best, SIR!"

Will Smith chuckles and when asked why responds "captain America is very excited, and clearly has no idea why we are here"

#141 | Posted by Ottodog at 2019-11-20 10:38 AM | Reply

Republican timeline:

There was a phone call then a meeting then they got the money

The real timeline:

Congress Appropriated the aid, then Trump withheld it, Then Trump and Rudy shookdown the Ukrainians and demanded a bribe to get the money, Then the story broke, then Trump released the money.

The rebublicans have no reasonable story as to why the aid was withheld or why it was released when it was that passes a smell test

#142 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-11-20 02:22 PM | Reply

Testifying in an impeachment hearing, Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, recounted his phone call with President Donald Trump in which the president said there was "no quid pro quo." "It was a very short, abrupt conversation. He was not in a good mood and he just said, I want nothing, I want nothing, I want no quid pro quo," Sondland said.

www.youtube.com

#143 | Posted by boaz at 2019-11-20 03:24 PM | Reply

Boaz walks into the bank and hands the teller a note that reads:

I have a bomb.
Give me the money.
This is NOT a robbery.

And the bank gives Boaz the money.

Did you rob the bank, Boaz?

#144 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-20 03:30 PM | Reply

He was not in a good mood and he just said, I want nothing, I want nothing, I want no quid pro quo," Sondland said.
www.youtube.com
#143 | POSTED BY BOAZ

So Sondland got the same talking points Trump used today in front of the press.

"I want nothing! I want nothing from Ukraine."

Trump's credibility is so sound, all we have to do is take his word. It's so awesome to have a president we can have such blind Faith in.

#145 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-11-20 03:36 PM | Reply

Well, I just saw Vindman lie - along with Adam Schiff as pointed out by Jim Jordan. If Vindman does not know the identity, there there is no issue telling the names of the people he spoke with. Same goes for Schiff. The only logical conclusion is that they do indeed know the identity and are currently lying about it - which is why Jordan called Schiff a liar to his face.

#105 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-19 10:34 PM | Reply

I'm late to the party, but that is an enormous leap in logic. If I were Vindman, I'd be reluctant to reveal who I'd talked to even if I didn't know the identity of the whistleblower. Anyone he names is going to be assumed to be the whistleblower. That then opens up those individuals to all the attacks and hatred people are already directing that way, potentially endangering them or at least their careers. Look at the vilification directed at Vindman himself. Why on Earth would he want to open up people he probably respected and trusted to that kind of attention? Seriously, under these circumstances, you'd give up the handful of names to someone you know is trying to expose an anonymous source, especially if you didn't know if those people were the source or not? I know I wouldn't unless I was required by law to do so.

It is highly likely he doesn't actually know who the source is. He may suspect, but probably doesn't even want to know for sure. His response is most certainly not proof of a lie.

#146 | Posted by StatsPlease at 2019-11-20 10:24 PM | Reply

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