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An FBI official is under criminal investigation after allegedly altering a document related to 2016 surveillance of a Trump campaign adviser, several people briefed on the matter told CNN.

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The finding is expected to be part of Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz's review of the FBI's effort to obtain warrants under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act on Carter Page, a former Trump campaign aide. Horowitz will release the report next month.

It's unknown how significant a role the altered document played in the FBI's investigation of Page and whether the FISA warrant would have been approved without the document. The alterations were significant enough to have shifted the document's meaning and came up during a part of Horowitz's FISA review where details were classified, according to the sources.

Some witnesses who have been interviewed in Horowitz's investigation have said they expect the inspector general to find mistakes in the FBI's handling of the FISA process, but that those mistakes do not undermine the premise for the FBI's investigation.

American intelligence agencies and the Justice Department have not swayed from their finding that Russia interfered in the 2016 election by hacking the Democrats and spreading pro-Trump propaganda online. And even former top Trump campaign officials have corroborated special counsel Robert Mueller's finding that the Trump campaign planned some of its strategy around the Russian hacks, and had multiple contacts with Kremlin-linked individuals in 2016.

Now it makes sense why observing press saw Barr inside the Oval with Trump reportedly upset, leaving late for one of his campaign rallies last week. If this is all the Horowitz probe substantly uncovered as a matter of criminal wrongdoing, it still won't breach the foundational rationale behind the origin of the FBI Russia probes.

And the other thing is that nothing ever leaked from Mueller's probe before Barr released it, and the same cannot be said at this point about Horowitz and I'm fairly positive there isn't a partisan Democrat anywhere in the loop of those with knowledge to blame this leak on.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-11-21 07:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The guy in the pic looks like that "hey you guys!" dude from the movie Goonies.

#2 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-11-21 09:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Sloth!

Baaaaby Ruuuuuth!

I always thought he was Laura.

#3 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-11-21 09:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

This was fraud perpetrated on a FISA court - again - from the file of "I told you so". Now, the Dems will try to play this down as no big deal - no, this is a giant deal. The FBI does not get to lie to a FISA court which has almost a 100% approval rate because the expectations that the documents are 100% vetted. On top of the issue with agent changing the documents, there is also Horowitz already saying that the FBI did not follow the correct process with regard to human sources - which is probably in reference to Steele. But, any fraud makes the Page warrant illegal and any further investigation relying on the Page warrant as its rationally also illegal. These FISA warrants were meant to spy on the campaign and that is what the Kenyan Kriminal authorized.

Also, the IG report will be the least damning - the Durham report will be the one bringing the thunder as Horowitz secondary task is to whitewash in favor of the FBI to retain its reputation - again - all things I have told you before.

#4 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-21 09:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

Exhibit A, Whistling in the Graveyard:

"If this is all the Horowitz probe substantly uncovered as a matter of criminal wrongdoing, it still won't breach the foundational rationale behind the origin of the FBI Russia probes."

#5 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-21 11:02 PM | Reply

all things I have told you before.

#4 | POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG

Thank God!!!

WTF would we do without you?

#6 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-11-22 12:08 AM | Reply

#1 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

I'm moved by how you threw yourself on this grenade, Tony.

...all democrats have been absolved. You're a hero, you know.

#7 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-11-22 01:14 AM | Reply

These FISA warrants were meant to spy on the campaign and that is what the Kenyan Kriminal authorized.

LOL already snowballing all those conspiracy theories in your head, are we?

#8 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-22 09:04 AM | Reply

#5 ohhhh now do Exhibit B!

#9 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-22 09:05 AM | Reply

The IG report is scheduled to be released on December 9 and Horowitz is scheduled to testify on December 11 in front of the Senate. So by December 11 we should have clarity as to whether or not the investigation into the Trump campaign was adequately predicated.

#10 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-11-22 09:10 AM | Reply

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This is going to get real ugly for people like Comey, Brennon and McCabe. I hope they all rot in prison. Figures that Brennon and McCabe got gigs with CNN and MSNBC.

#11 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-11-22 10:36 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"This is going to get real ugly for people like Comey, Brennon and McCabe. "

The same people who are telling you that are the folks behind the Benghazi "investigation".

#12 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-22 10:47 AM | Reply

11 - Talk about a get your popcorn moment. Brennan knows what's coming. Most of DC does too. Watch the chaff get thrown up as we get closer to December 9th.

#13 | Posted by homerj at 2019-11-22 10:47 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

The same people who are telling you that are the folks behind the Benghazi "investigation".

#12 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2019-11-22 10:47 AM | FLAG:

And the people that are telling you it is nothing were counting on the Russian hoax and Ukraine. How did that go for you?

#14 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-11-22 12:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And the people that are telling you it is nothing were counting on the Russian hoax and Ukraine. How did that go for you?

#14 | Posted by fishpaw

The evidence isn't what you say it is you sack of schit.

What's funny is you handed the match to Danforth with that play and you don't even know it.

#15 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-22 12:19 PM | Reply

If this is true it's a huge fricking deal.

#16 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-11-22 01:20 PM | Reply

JPW and Danforth,

Are you guys ok with the FBI altering a document to change its meaning in order to obtain a FISA warrant?

#17 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-11-22 01:22 PM | Reply

Tony,

Democrats have plenty of motivation to leak this.

If it's true it's coming from the IG report which will be released on Dec 9.

Drip out a juicy tidbit to get out in front of the IG report and set the narrative.

#18 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-11-22 01:29 PM | Reply

"Are you guys ok with the FBI altering a document to change its meaning in order to obtain a FISA warrant?"

We don't know if that is what happened yet. Here is reporting from WaPo:

The Justice Department inspector general has found evidence that an FBI employee may have altered a document connected to court-approved surveillance of a former Trump campaign adviser, but has concluded that the conduct did not affect the overall validity of the surveillance application, according to U.S. officials familiar with the matter.

The employee was forced out of the FBI after the incident was discovered, two U.S. officials said. Horowitz found that the employee erroneously indicated he had documentation to back up a claim he had made in discussions with the Justice Department about the factual basis for the application. He then altered an email to back up that erroneous claim, they said.

That conduct did not alter Horowitz's finding that the surveillance application of former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page had a proper legal and factual basis, the officials said.


Also of note, this correction to their original reporting:

"Correction: An earlier version of this story erroneously stated that the FBI employee being investigated for altering a document worked underneath former Deputy Assistant Director Peter Strzok. The employee was a low-level lawyer in the Office of General Counsel and did not report to the deputy assistant director."

www.washingtonpost.com

#19 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-11-22 01:37 PM | Reply

"Are you guys ok with the FBI altering a document to change its meaning in order to obtain a FISA warrant?"

Not at all.

Prosecute to the fullest extent of the law, but that still doesn't change this whole issue of You had no right to discover my wrongs!

#20 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-22 01:38 PM | Reply

"Are you guys ok with the FBI altering a document to change its meaning in order to obtain a FISA warrant?"

Of course not. Period. But if the person was fired and no one up the chain of command told the lower level lawyer to make the change and no one up the chain of command discovered the document was altered and tried to cover it up, and if the change didn't affect the legality of the FISA warrant, then Mueller's investigation is unlikely to be deemed illegitimate on that basis. Lots of ifs at this point, so probably best to wait and see what the actual report says.

#21 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-11-22 01:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"You had no right to discover my wrongs!"

- democrats

#22 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-22 01:49 PM | Reply

"You had no right to discover we're fabricating your wrongs!"

- republicans

#23 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-22 01:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#22 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Some witnesses who have been interviewed in Horowitz's investigation have said they expect the inspector general to find mistakes in the FBI's handling of the FISA process, but that those mistakes do not undermine the premise for the FBI's investigation.
American intelligence agencies and the Justice Department have not swayed from their finding that Russia interfered in the 2016 election by hacking the Democrats and spreading pro-Trump propaganda online. And even former top Trump campaign officials have corroborated special counsel Robert Mueller's finding that the Trump campaign planned some of its strategy around the Russian hacks, and had multiple contacts with Kremlin-linked individuals in 2016.

Continue to choose ignorance, MACKRIS.

It suits you.

#24 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-11-22 02:30 PM | Reply

Despite Probe of Low-Level' Ex-FBI Lawyer, Carter Page Surveillance Had Proper Legal and Factual Basis': Officials
lawandcrime.com

Womp womp.

#25 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-11-22 02:34 PM | Reply

Womp womp.

#25 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

Will you still be saying that if it turns out the Horowitz report says the FISA applications were illegally obtained (which I think is unlikely TBH)?

#26 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-11-22 03:20 PM | Reply

Game over.

Justice Dept. watchdog finds political bias did not taint top officials running the FBI's Russia probe but documents other errors

The Justice Department's internal watchdog is expected to find in a forthcoming report that political bias did not taint top officials running the FBI investigation into possible coordination between Russia and the Trump campaign in 2016, while at the same time criticizing the bureau for systemic failures in its handling of surveillance applications, according to two U.S. officials.

#27 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-11-22 04:54 PM | Reply

Will you still be saying that if it turns out the Horowitz report says the FISA applications were illegally obtained (which I think is unlikely TBH)?

#26 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Yup!

#28 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-11-22 06:07 PM | Reply

JEFFJ -

Game over.

Justice Dept. watchdog finds political bias did not taint top officials running the FBI's Russia probe but documents other errors
The Justice Department's internal watchdog is expected to find in a forthcoming report that political bias did not taint top officials running the FBI investigation into possible coordination between Russia and the Trump campaign in 2016, while at the same time criticizing the bureau for systemic failures in its handling of surveillance applications, according to two U.S. officials.

#27 | POSTED BY TONYROMA


Womp womp.

#29 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-11-22 06:08 PM | Reply

Oh - I should also add the curious case of the Flynn 302. Apparently, there is proof that Lisa Page (Strzok's FBI mistress) altered that 302 after the fact and then the FBI lied about it to the judge in that case as well, a clear Brady violation if true. As the FBI has tight revision control, it is just a matter of getting the data from the FBI to prove that case and likely Flynn will then get his plea deal tossed.

Also, it is a VERY, VERY big deal when the FBI alters documents because they do not make tape recorded statements. The sole record for the interviews is agent writing their 302 immediately following the session. Thus, a break of trust in the credibility of the 302 utterly destroys the FBI and could potentially upend a bunch of cases which relied solely on the 302s to prosecute perjury, etc. In the case of Flynn, they suspect this to be the case as the text messages between Strzok and Page outline that is exactly what they did (great work by Judicial Watch) so it is just getting the FBI meta data on the documents and it is clear cut Brady violation.

#30 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-22 08:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#30 | Posted by iragoldberg

Why is your cult so obsessed with finding out who called the cops instead of the person who is committing the crimes?

With russiagate, you completely ignored that trump was knew putin was trying to help him win and was accepting that help, and obstructed justice to keep that help secret, and are instead obsessed with discovering HOW law enforcement found out about his scheme.

With ukrainegate, you're just fine with him abusing the powers of the state to blackmail a foreign nation into creating dirt on a political opponent, but you are obsessed with finding out who revealed his scheme.

#31 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-11-22 08:41 PM | Reply

"Apparently, there is proof that..."

WARNING. When Lieburg claims there's proof, there probably isn't, other than in his fevered dreams. A few nights ago he claimed Dr. Hill had questioned Vindman's judgement in her Oct 14th testimony. She hadn't; in fact, the word "judgement" didn't even occur once in the entire testimony. When confronted with his lie, he blamed me repeatedly, yet he never could find, or post proof to his claim. So when he says "there's proof", don't believe him, and if he says he "read" something somewhere, it was probably some lie he'd already posted.

"a break of trust in the credibility of the 302 utterly destroys the FBI"

But Republicans constantly lying gets your repeated endorsement. If you didn't have double-standards, you have no standards at all.

#32 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-22 08:46 PM | Reply

"Why is your cult so obsessed with finding out who called the cops instead of the person who is committing the crimes?"

Did you ever hear of "Swatting" - basically, someone calls in a bomb threat/etc on their neighbor as a revenge act so the neighbor's house gets overrun by police? Well, that is what we have here with the 'whistleblower' and the Deep State for the 2016 election. As both Mueller and now the impeachment clownshow have proven - there were no crimes. So, we need to understand who/why the fake crimes were reported. In the case of the 'whistleblower', EVERYONE already knows who he is. There is no secret there. Pretending he is unknown is the media being a willing moron in the conspiracy. They can't have his name out there as it is obvious why he made up the false allegations - and once that is done - it will be on team Trump to prosecute the leakers that were his sources.

"With russiagate, you completely ignored that trump was knew putin was trying to help him win and was accepting that help"

That is a lie. Putin promoted CHAOS in the election, not Trump. And those efforts amounted to a fart in the wind - a few bucks in Facebook ads and Pokemon Go.

"and obstructed justice to keep that help secret,"

Seeking to end an improper investigation is not a crime. The crime is starting the nonsense in the first place to undermine the president. It is called treason.

"and are instead obsessed with discovering HOW law enforcement found out about his scheme."

There was no scheme to find - as PROVEN by Mueller. Quit lying.

"With ukrainegate, you're just fine with him abusing the powers of the state to blackmail a foreign nation into creating dirt
#31 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

Creating 'dirt' would imply false information, unjustified investigations, etc. We have ample proof the investigations were justified and in America's best interest.

So, it will be interesting to watch how far the Dems want to take this impeachment nonsense. I think if Warren had surged ahead, they would move forward and throw Biden under the bus. But, with Biden holding strong support with blacks and the new candidate being pushed by the MSM being Booty-Judge, I don't think they can afford to throw Joe under the bus anymore. If they move forward, both Joe and Hunter Biden will be forced to testify along with Devin Archer. That scrutiny will utterly destroy Biden. So, do they even take that chance when they know they have zero chance to win in the Senate? I think it is a 50/50 gamble. Pelosi is still steaming over the 3rd rate politician jab but she can't move without a viable presidential candidate other than Biden.

#33 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-22 08:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

That is a lie. Putin promoted CHAOS in the election, not Trump. And those efforts amounted to a fart in the wind - a few bucks in Facebook ads and Pokemon Go.

"and obstructed justice to keep that help secret,"

Seeking to end an improper investigation is not a crime. The crime is starting the nonsense in the first place to undermine the president. It is called treason.

"and are instead obsessed with discovering HOW law enforcement found out about his scheme."

There was no scheme to find - as PROVEN by Mueller. Quit lying.

#33 | Posted by iragoldberg

THAT is a lie. Putin was trying to get trump elected. That is the conclusion of mueller and our military intelligence agencies. And trump obstructed justice to hide that he knew about that help and encouraged it.

It's ANOTHER LIE that it was just a few facebook ads.

Seeking to block ANY investigation, even with no underlying crime, is still obstruction of justice. That's what martha stewart went to jail for.

Mueller didn't conclude there was no scheme. He concluded he couldnt get enough evidence of it to make a case - because trump obstructed his investigation.

#34 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-11-22 09:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Creating 'dirt' would imply false information, unjustified investigations, etc. We have ample proof the investigations were justified and in America's best interest.

#33 | Posted by iragoldberg

We have ample proof that biden was carrying out the official policy of the government and international community, not trying to benefit himself.

If trump cared about corruption, he'd demand an investigation, but he didn't even care about an investigation, what he demanded was a PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT of an investigation, which proves all he cared about was making biden LOOK dirty.

Name any other case anywhere in the world, where trump has gone after corruption that didn't involve a political rival.

And if trump was acting in the interest of the US, why did he hide the conversation about the call on a classified server not intended for calls of that nature?

#35 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-11-22 09:11 PM | Reply

"We have ample proof the investigations were justified and in America's best interest."

Riiiiight. Just ask Gym Jordan, or that Nunes guy who had Lev Parnas working for him.

#36 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-22 09:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Creating 'dirt' would imply false information"

Like dumbassss Trump ranting about a server that doesn't exist.

Of course, the fact no investigation of the Bidens was necessary, just the announcement of an investigation, should tell any thinking person the claim of "going after corruption" is total bullschiltt.

Trouble is, by "thinking person", I've eliminated all the Trumperphluffers, which seems to include every Republican on earth.

#37 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-22 09:18 PM | Reply

"Gym Jordan
#36 | POSTED BY DANFORTH"

Douchefroth, I hate to break this to you, but your use of 'Gym' Jordan is weaker than your epic 'bitch' tagline. Libs really aren't very good at comedy. The best you got is Dotard, and that wasn't even really your team's invention.

#38 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-22 09:29 PM | Reply

Douchefroth, I hate to break this to you, but your use of 'Gym' Jordan is weaker than your epic 'bitch' tagline. Libs really aren't very good at comedy. The best you got is Dotard, and that wasn't even really your team's invention.

#38 | Posted by iragoldberg

Please. Your cult is too dumb to think of their own insults so you just copy-paste from breitbart. "-------. ----. Shillery. Snowflake." Every moron thinks he's delivering such devastating insults by copying all the other morons in his klan.

#39 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-11-22 09:51 PM | Reply

"Douchefroth, I hate to break this to you, but your use of 'Gym' Jordan is weaker than your epic 'bitch' tagline. "

You totally set the bar for the self-unaware. Do you know what a self-retorting retort is?

BTW, "Gym" Jordan is to remind folks he's against ALL whistleblowers, even if they're student-victims in his charge.

#40 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-22 10:02 PM | Reply

"your epic 'bitch' tagline."

Oh, that's just for you, for every time you've decided the truth isn't good enough for your argument.

#41 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-22 10:03 PM | Reply

Iraschitberg still in denial that he's been duped all this time?

#42 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-22 10:05 PM | Reply

Here's Trump from F&F this morning:

"The FBI went in and they told 'em, 'Get out of here, you're not"we're not giving it to you.' They gave the server to CrowdStrike, or whatever it's called, which is a country"a company owned by a very wealthy Ukrainian. And I still want to see that server. You know, the FBI's never gotten that server. That's a big part of this whole thing. Why did they give it to a Ukrainian company?"
Delusional.

#43 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-22 10:09 PM | Reply

"-------. ----. Shillery. Snowflake."
#39 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Every one of those is a classic - you can tell by the way they absolutely trigger the Dems.

You can add in SoyBoy, NPC, Liawatha, Pocahontas, Shifty-Schiff

These are hilarious because you liberals got ------- crazy every time you hear one. Even mentioning 'liberal tears' brings on more liberal tears. You have even lost control of your own insults - like 'Orange Man Bad'.

#44 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-22 10:26 PM | Reply

"These are hilarious because you liberals got ------- crazy every time you hear one. "

This, from the guy who was whining about calling the "orange schittstain" ole "----- Bonespurs".

#45 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-22 10:28 PM | Reply

"#45 | POSTED BY DANFORTH"

LOL, you need to learn reading comprehension. I brought that up to show the hypocrisy of HANDS' outrage over me calling Shifty-Schiff "Pedo Schiff". I don't give 2 ----- about what you say about Trump.

#46 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-22 10:39 PM | Reply

Iraschitberg is probably thin skinned as hell IRL.

Why else would he be such a petty, vindictive, textbook Dunning-Kruger little bitch?

#47 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-22 10:41 PM | Reply

"me calling Shifty-Schiff "Pedo Schiff""

Yeah...because you "read it somewhere"...after doubtless being the author.

"you need to learn reading comprehension."

Bwahahahahahah! What a riot, coming from the guy caught LYING about what Dr. Hill had said about Vindman. Your idea of "reading comprehension" is pulling something out of your backside and flinging it online.

#48 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-22 10:43 PM | Reply

"textbook Dunning-Kruger"

The star subject.

#49 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-22 10:44 PM | Reply

"Yeah...because you "read it somewhere"...after doubtless being the author.
#48 | POSTED BY DANFORTH "

Why are you so interested in outing the whistleblower? Disgusting.

#50 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-22 10:50 PM | Reply

"Why are you so interested in outing the whistleblower?'

I'd ask why you're pretending to be stupid, but I know you're not pretending.

Remind us how Trump is really, really, really only concerned with corruption, just not with Erdogan, Kim, Putin, MBS, or Netanyahu.

#51 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-22 10:52 PM | Reply

""Why are you so interested in outing the whistleblower?'
#51 | POSTED BY DANFORTH "

I heard for the last 3 weeks how whistleblowers need to remain anonymous. Why are you so interested in outing the ones against Pedo Schiff? Why the change in your concern?

#52 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-22 11:12 PM | Reply

"I heard for the last 3 weeks how whistleblowers need to remain anonymous. Why are you so interested in outing the ones against Pedo Schiff? Why the change in your concern?"

The stupid, it burns.

#53 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-22 11:17 PM | Reply

So . . . all this back and forth bickering is about AG Barr still trying to chase down the legitimacy of a FISA warrant to surveil Carter Page ~ a matter that has already been adjudicated and found to be perfectly legal and thus justified.

Keeping in mind, of course, that Barr's motivation is dripping with his role as "Trump's Roy Cohn" and should never, under any circumstances, be considered credible.

What I get from this thread is that Barr (and Ira Goldberg) are both tilting at windmills.

As for that Pedo Schiff thing, someone should caution Ira that "projection" is usually a "tell" which we've come to recognize as one of Trump's most notable psychological gaffs.

#54 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-11-23 12:09 AM | Reply

a matter that has already been adjudicated and found to be perfectly legal and thus justified.

Turns out CNN is saying,"Horowitz found that the FBI employee who modified the warrant application lied, falsely stated that he had, quote, documentation to back up a claim that he had made in discussions with the Justice Department about the factual basis for the warrant application.'"

So no as I stated to Et_Al and TR back in Feb 2017, and are now being proved correct. The FISA warrant was probably fraudulent.

There was no there there in the FISA warrant.

There was no there there in the Mueller investigation.

And there is not there there in the impeachment hearings.

Goto trial if you are so confident.... prepare for the TacoBell Chalupa.

#55 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-23 12:28 AM | Reply

"Goto trial if you are so confident.... prepare for the TacoBell Chalupa.
#55 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS"

The funny thing is that the Libs think they know everything about the Ukraine story already but don't even know the actual players - which is why you Chalupa line will not get a response. Like I posted above, the IG report is more of a whitewash than what Durham will report. That will be the thunder.

#56 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-23 01:01 AM | Reply

ANDREA

That windmill you're tilting at in the moonlight is just a gnarly old tree waiting to be turned into firewood.

You might also want to remember this pearl of wisdom: "If it's you against the world, the smart money is on the world."

#57 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-11-23 01:18 AM | Reply

"The FISA warrant was probably fraudulent."

So once again, it boils down to You had no right to discover my wrongs.

Once the IG publicly states the FISA warrant wasn't enough to materially change the thrust of the investigation, what will you have left? Will it still be excuse #22, Trump was rooting out corruption...? That's the funniest one of all, since it takes a total moron to believe Trump passed on Erdogan, MBS, Putin, Kim, and Netanyahu, and waited until his third year and a potential political rival to start.

#58 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-23 01:19 AM | Reply

"So once again, it boils down to You had no right to discover my wrongs."

You would have a point if a crime was discovered as a result of the fraudulent FISA warrant against Page. So, easy question - was Carter Page charged with a crime? Simple yes or no.

"Once the IG publicly states the FISA warrant wasn't enough to materially change the thrust of the investigation,"

Then it is time to call --------. The FBI is NOT ALLOWED TO LIE IN A FISA WARRANT. PERIOD.

So, charge the 1st person with a crime and make them squeal because this was not a one off issue and we both know it.

#59 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-23 01:31 AM | Reply

Additionally ANDREA

When you use the word "probably" you're depending on conjecture to make the ground stop moving under your hypotheses.

#60 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-11-23 01:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"You would have a point if a crime"

Was there a Quid Pro Quo?......YES
~Gordon Sondland

Oops. Too late to keep pretending.

"The FBI is NOT ALLOWED TO LIE IN A FISA WARRANT. PERIOD."

True. But the way things are now, if it was 11AM, and the time was dated 11:15AM, you idiots would claim that was enough of a lie. Do you understand the difference between a material error, and one which doesn't change the thrust of the investigation? Asking for a country.

#61 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-23 01:38 AM | Reply

"Carter Page"

Carter Page?!? You mean the guy who told US authorities the Russians were trying to recruit him? The guy who got FISA warrants renewed, which requires NEW findings since the prior warrant?

Yeah...hang your hat on that one.

Meanwhile, if the tables were turned, and Page was an HRC operative meeting with Russians, your head would've exploded if the FBI hadn't investigated.

#62 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-23 01:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

DANFORTH

I think he's trying to say that FISA warrants are automatically rubber stamped.

Nothing could be further than the truth. I seem to remember the signing off goes through 8 different arbiters at the DOJ and is arduous and time consuming before it ever reaches the A.G. ~ and they double check everything.

#63 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-11-23 03:15 AM | Reply

So no as I stated to Et_Al and TR back in Feb 2017, and are now being proved correct. The FISA warrant was probably fraudulent.
There was no there there in the FISA warrant.

The inspector general also is expected to find that the application and subsequent renewals to monitor Page's communications was proper and observed relevant guidelines, the officials said.

But there was an issue with a low-level FBI lawyer who altered an email to the Justice Department as part of the process for renewing the FISA warrant, which expires after 90 days.

www.washingtonpost.com

It's truly sad how often Andrea shows just how painfully ignorant he is. The issue was with the RENEWING of the warrant, not its origin as you've wrongly alleged for months and months.

Anyone who keeps spouting obvious lies and distortions should be considered allies and or operatives in the ongoing Russian disinformation campaign and treated as such until further notice. Stop being traitorous, the truth is right before your eyes.

#64 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-11-23 06:28 AM | Reply

Did Horowitz investigate the leaks that were coming out of the NY field office of the FBI aka as Trump Country to Rudy about Clinton's emails:

"Giuliani Was Saying He Had Information": Was the FBI Leaking to Rudy Giuliani?

The Justice Department continues to investigate leaks surrounding the 2016 campaign, including a New York field office that was "playing by its own rules," according to a former official. Could the inspector general be targeting Giuliani too?

www.vanityfair.com

I hope he does, but I'll be surprised if the IG addresses this issue. The whole point of all these investigations seems to be to help Trump claim people were out to get him, that the deck was stacked against him, and not to get at the whole truth if that truth proves otherwise.

#65 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-11-23 07:09 AM | Reply

"Creating 'dirt' would imply false information, unjustified investigations, etc. We have ample proof the investigations were justified and in America's best interest."

Trump didn't really care if the Ukrainians did an investigation into the Bidens. In fact, he probably preferred they didn't in case the investigation exonerated them:

Sondland testifies Ukraine was being pushed to announce investigations " but not necessarily really do them

www.msn.com"-but-not-necessarily-really-do-them/ar-BBX3n6x

What Trump wanted was a talking point he could use against Joe, which was why he wanted Pres Z to go on CNN and announce an investigation.

"So, it will be interesting to watch how far the Dems want to take this impeachment nonsense. I think if Warren had surged ahead, they would move forward and throw Biden under the bus."

For Democrats, this isn't about protecting Joe Biden. If Biden isn't the nominee, and I think there is a good chance he won't be, Trump's wrong doing still stands and still needs to be called out.

#66 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-11-23 07:23 AM | Reply

Sorry link doesn't work, here's one that does:

theweek.com

#67 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-11-23 07:28 AM | Reply

GAL

"If Biden isn't the nominee, and I think there is a good chance he won't be, Trump's wrong doing still stands and still needs to be called out."

Absolutely!

However, they must surely have a just-in-case backup plan for Warren.

And there's no doubt about what they have in store for Buttigieg and his "husband."

#68 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-11-23 08:10 AM | Reply

Early reporting is sometimes wrong, but here's a summary of the early reporting:

Kyle Cheney @kyledcheney

The IG report coming out next month is expected to make no finding that COMEY, MCCABE or STRZOK acted on anti-Trump political bias in Russia probe, per NYT

Per the Times, the IG report also indicates that MIFSUD is *not* an FBI informant and no evidence from CIA or Steele Dossier were used to open Russia probe -- a claim Trump and allies have made for years.

ANd lastly, per NYT, report is likely to show FBI officials exaggerated Steele's track record of aiding previous FBI investigations. Will also conclude Carter Page FISA effort was flawed but not necessarily unjustified.

twitter.com

#69 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-11-23 09:50 AM | Reply

"Per the Times, the IG report also indicates that MIFSUD is *not* an FBI informant"

Per WaPo:

Inspector general investigators scrutinized that allegation aggressively, looking particularly at the record on Joseph Mifsud, a Maltese professor who was critical to the opening of the case. Mifsud boasted to Papadopoulos about having "dirt" on Clinton in the form of "thousands of emails" " before Russia's hacking of Democrats was publicly known. When the FBI learned of that conversation some months later, it felt it had to open an investigation.

According to the two officials, Horowitz is expected to conclude that the opening of Crossfire Hurricane was legally and factually justified. His report will not provide fodder for several conservative conspiracy theories surrounding the case " particularly the notion that Papadopoulos was set up as part of a nefarious Western intelligence operation.


www.washingtonpost.com

#70 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-11-23 09:54 AM | Reply

"And the people that are telling you it is nothing were counting on the Russian hoax and Ukraine. How did that go for you?"

I found out Team Trump had lied dozens of times to the American people, and folks like you line up to swallow the lies for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

#71 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-23 02:12 PM | Reply

Every one of those is a classic - you can tell by the way they absolutely trigger the Dems.

#44 | Posted by iragoldberg

Yeah they trigger dems to laugh at how stupid and unoriginal you are while you sit there high fiving yourself thinking you just schooled someone with a copy-paste unoriginal insult.

#72 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-11-23 02:48 PM | Reply

... as I stated to Et_Al ...
#55 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

As I stated to you, "Odd, I don't recall ever making "claims" about the "Dossier." Perhaps you can correct me.

#15 | Posted by et_al" drudge.com

Still waiting.

#73 | Posted by et_al at 2019-11-23 04:27 PM | Reply

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