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Sunday, November 24, 2019

You know the impeachment inquiries aren't going very well when Washington Post Congressional Reporter Rachael Bade is admitting on CNN that Democrats are having cold feet pursuing impeachment after the end of public testimony.

"I think what we're starting to see, you know, is when the impeachment inquiry was first announced and [Democrats] started to do these depositions, a lot of people were asking, 'Can Nancy Pelosi peel off any Republicans?'" Bade asked "But I increasingly think the question is becoming does [Pelosi] lose more Democrats? Because Republicans have really unified behind the president, and although two Democrats voted against the impeachment inquiry rules that they voted on a couple of weeks ago, we are hearing behind-the-scenes there are moderates getting cold feet."

Pelosi only needs 218 votes to approve articles of impeachment but anything less than 231 would be a disaster for the Democrats.

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The Democrats might not have a lot more than 218, which would itself be horribly humiliating for Dems. There are 233 Democrats in the House right now; only two voted against opening the impeachment inquiry. If more than two vote against impeachment, the inescapable conclusion for many Americans will be that Schiff's two weeks of hearings were so unpersuasive that he actually *lost* support for impeachment within his own party.

Successfully impeaching Trump with fewer votes than the 231 which Dems had to open the impeachment inquiry would itself be embarrassing so the magic number in Pelosi's mind has to be the same 231. In order to "prove" that the public hearings were successful and that this process wasn't a political mistake, she may demand that every member of her caucus who voted to proceed initially also vote to impeach.

A censure vote would be the obvious fallback option if Pelosi couldn't bribe or threaten her way to 218 votes, but even censure would be such a humiliating climbdown for the party that there'd be pressure from the Left on her to resign as Speaker and Schiff to step down as Chairman of Intelligence.

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I nearly dropped my coffee when I saw this, coming from WashPo's Congressional reporter on CNN it seems that the DNC messaging is starting to turn to damage control within the Majority given recent polling reversals and the onslaught of anti-impeachment ads being aired by the RNC in purple districts.

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-24 02:48 PM | Reply

@#1 ... I nearly dropped my coffee when I saw this ...

As I have been saying all along... impeachment is a political process. Spkr Pelosi never was enthused about bringing impeachment. She eventually did because of the nature of what was done, it had to be investigated, otherwise Congress would cede even more power to an Executive branch that is all too willing to claim near-dictatorial power.

The poll just shows what a divided Country we are.

I don't know why you dropped your coffee, the result is not that surprising.

Maybe you shouldn't drink coffee while you read the news? ;)

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-24 03:15 PM | Reply

Useless trolling by the usual suspect.

#3 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-11-24 03:44 PM | Reply

A rare moment of clarity for you to understand that the media is trolling.

#4 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-11-24 03:49 PM | Reply

#2

It isn't the result, it is WashPo/CNN delivering this message before the Inquiry to Judiciary is what is surprising, sorry that wasn't clear to you.

#5 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-24 04:22 PM | Reply

Useless trolling by the usual suspect.

Laura, unable to STS, turns to trolling accusations because the subject matter of the thread goes against what she has been previously told to believe by...wait for it...CNN and WashPo.

Pathetic.

#6 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-24 04:24 PM | Reply

That should be "before the Inquiry moves to Judiciary".

#7 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-24 04:26 PM | Reply

@#5 ... it is WashPo/CNN delivering this message ...

I still don't see why you were so surprised.

I've seen the WaPo reporters on many shows, and what was said here is not something that would surprise me.



#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-24 05:33 PM | Reply

#8

I've seen the WaPo reporters on many shows, and what was said here is not something that would surprise me.

As have I, but since WashPo and CNN have been the biggest cheerleaders for impeachment in traditional media, their delivery of this messaging so soon after the public hearings indicates that the are being encouraged by the Dems to get ahead of this issue so that receptive ears are not surprised down the road of Nancy decides not to go to a vote.

#9 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-24 06:55 PM | Reply

that the =>that they

#10 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-24 06:56 PM | Reply

As have I, but since WashPo and CNN have been the biggest cheerleaders for impeachment...

Were you not one of the biggest cheerleaders for impeachment hearing here on here on the DR?

#11 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-11-24 07:05 PM | Reply

#11

Still am, and I do think that the Majority has enough to pass articles of impeachment. That being said, it hasn't been enough to sway any of the GOP members of the House, support by independents has dropped, their "shift" to bribery was an abject failure and members in the purple districts are nervous, so Nancy has a tough decision to make. Coupled with the highly partisan nature of the proceedings from both sides, I think the Democrats are rightfully nervous that the Senate wants to have a multi week trial in which the GOP controls who has to testify.

#12 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-24 07:37 PM | Reply

As much as I don't like Zion Don it's kinda satisfying to watch these intolerable leftists self-immolate.

#13 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-11-24 07:49 PM | Reply

I think the Democrats are rightfully nervous that the Senate wants to have a multi week trial in which the GOP controls who has to testify.

Nervous? Was there any question ever that the Senate would never convict? That's pretty much been a given.

#14 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-11-24 08:16 PM | Reply

@#9 ... are being encouraged by the Dems ...

Any evidence of that?


#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-24 08:42 PM | Reply

From the news department of "No ---- - I Told You So" - this is exactly what I said from before the announcement ever happened.

Face it Dems - Nancy got trolled into the impeachment inquiry after her 'rage quit' when Trump called her a 3rd rate politician. Trump's 4D chess continues to out maneuver Pelosi and the witless Dems. Trump made 2 key strategy decisions - 1.) Release the transcript and 2.) Force the Dems to vote on the inquiry so the clownshow was made public.

Nancy and the Dems fell for it every step of the way and the result as I predicted is the impeachment going nowhere and the Dem candidate becoming invisible as the little attention people have goes to the impeachment clownshow.

I really hope they do move forward with a trial - not only will it end Biden politically, it will doom the Obama legacy and the remaining Dem candidates won't be able to climb out of its shadow.

At the end of the day, it will not be Trump on trial - everyone already has the transcript - it will be HUNTER AND JOE. CNN/MSNBC, etc have provided air cover for Biden up until now and keep repeating that Hunter did nothing wrong. Well, I think the general public is going to be shocked at just what a lifelong screw-up Hunter is - and after that is revealed, there is no denying his Burisma position was a pay for play.

I don't think the general public knows these things to be fact:
1.) Hunter was gifted a VP spot at MBNA bank - largest credit card provider at the time while his dad oversaw the industry
2.) Hunter was kicked out the Navy for a failed cocaine test
3.) After being kicked out of the Navy, he went on a months long drug/alcohol bender including leaving crack pipes in rental cars
4.) During his bender, he was gifted the Burisma job for $83K/month
5.) During this time, he started banging his brother's widow
6.) He cheated on his widow banging to get another girl pregnant
7.) He refused to admit the kid was his or pay child support despite the $83K/month from Burisma
8.) He was also gifted a board seat on Amtrak
9.) He got a $1.5B Chinese state bank investment in his hedge fund (like 2/20 fee structure) coinciding with his father's visit there
10.) Joe Biden bragged about getting the prosecutor fired in Ukraine that was investigating Burisma - that is a fact. Only argument is if it was done to aid Hunter and justify is $83K/month

#16 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-24 09:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Who knew Hunter was running for Pres?

At least we know that Ima Goldbrick will be all over it when Pres Hunter tries to extort dirt on a political opponent by holding up military aid to an ally.

#17 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-24 09:48 PM | Reply

A rare moment of clarity for you to understand that the media is trolling.

#4 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

You're too big an idiot to recognize a moment of clarity, even if it kicked you in the taint.

#18 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-24 09:55 PM | Reply

"Who knew Hunter was running for Pres?
#17 | POSTED BY CORKY"

He doesn't need to be to sink his father's ambitions. You are dumb, but even you are smart enough to know that. Call Hunter, explain his background and it is impossible to state what Joe did was ethical - then tie that back the Obama Admin blessing the whole nonsense. Here is your blueprint for how this will go. Tell me how Biden walks away from that as a viable candidate?

#19 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-24 09:55 PM | Reply

#16 STFU ------.

Petty gossip and personal smears are irrelevant to what the schitstain younsupport has done.

#20 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-24 09:56 PM | Reply

it hasn't been enough to sway any of the GOP members of the House

I did t think you were this stupid.

But you apparently are this stupid.

What a shame.

#21 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-24 09:58 PM | Reply

"Petty gossip and personal smears are irrelevant
#20 | POSTED BY JPW "

It is not gossip - probably would count as a smear (like the new bastard kid). But, it is 100% relevant. Politics is a popularity contest at the end of day. I posted the blueprint - your turn to tell me how this does not end Biden as a viable candidate.

#22 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-24 09:58 PM | Reply

- ------

There's been an improvement in his mental challenges?

Glad to hear it!

#23 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-24 09:58 PM | Reply

>Petty gossip and personal smears
have been the bread and butter of leftists since before Glompf was selected.
Twitter ----------- aside, why does he make you so mad? His policies are close to other republicans, yet you guys are yearning for the days of GW Bush, who kicked off the initial stage of middle east instability. Why?

#24 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-11-24 10:01 PM | Reply

=- tell me how this does not end Biden as a viable candidate

What a marooon...

www.realclearpolitics.com

lmao... and he was touting Emerson outlier poll.

RCP Average 10/15 - 11/20 -- -- 52.0 42.4 Biden +9.6
Emerson 11/17 - 11/20 1092 RV 2.9 49 51 Trump +2
NBC/WSJ 10/27 - 10/30 720 RV 3.7 50 41 Biden +9
ABC/WP 10/27 - 10/30 876 RV 4.0 56 39 Biden +17
FOX News 10/27 - 10/30 1040 RV 3.0 51 39 Biden +12
IBD/TIPP 10/24 - 10/31 863 RV 3.5 53 43 Biden +10
CNN 10/17 - 10/20 892 RV 4.0 53 43 Biden +10
SUSA 10/15 - 10/16 3080 RV 2.1 52 41 Biden +11

#25 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-24 10:02 PM | Reply

Is Blumpf perceived as substantially more rayciss than W. Bush? Since raycissm is the ultimate sin, is Klumpf more guilty than innocent?

#26 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-11-24 10:06 PM | Reply

#22 it's tabloid level garbage peddled by garbage, miserable people.

And no, it's not relevant, as the parts that can be associated with Joe are little more than innuendo. The rest are personal snipes made by people who support the worst person to serve as POTUS in the modern era.

#27 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-24 10:07 PM | Reply

#24 he's a joke and terrible human being. Anybody willing to sell their soul for what little gain Trump brings them need to re-evaluate their priorities.

He exemplifies everything righties claim to hate about government yet they don't mind his doing it.

So I guess the reason Trump raises my hackles is what he represents and what he brings out in the people around me. It's ugly, sad and highly damaging to all of us.

#28 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-24 10:13 PM | Reply

"And no, it's not relevant, as the parts that can be associated with Joe are little more than innuendo.
#27 | POSTED BY JPW "

I think you are delusion if you think you can separate that from the impeachment. Everything I posted about Hunter above 100% factually true. You cannot dispute a single point of it.

The only contention you can make is that Joe got the prosecutor fired because the US wanted him fired, not to help Burisma. The American people will be the judge of that. I think the CNN/MSNBC crowd is going to be shocked to find out all of the points made about Hunter are 100% - they think these are all GOP lies at this point. Once confronted with the truth, they will need to justify the $83K/month and argue it is unrelated to Joe Biden's activities. Same goes with China. Meanwhile, Trump does not even need to address Ukraine a single second as he has the entire GOP senate (other than wildcard Romney) in his pockets and likely has Dems like Manchin as well.

So, impeach Trump and it will be Joe and Hunter Biden on trial. Don't say I never told you so when it happens. And when Joe is destroyed as a candidate, I hope you are man enough to admit that it was relevant.

#29 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-24 10:16 PM | Reply

And no, it's not relevant, as the parts that can be associated with Joe are little more than innuendo.

Thats the beauty of the crime .... nothing direct ... all through Hunter and his "firm" accept ....

Mr Lutsenko stated that there was also a payment of $900,000 to Rosemont Seneca Partners LLC for consulting fees. Hunter Biden is a partner in Rosemont Seneca Partners LLC along with Devon Archer and the dates of this transaction are approximately anywhere from January to December 2015. According to Mr. Lutsenko the $900,000 invoice was for services rendered for lobbying by Joe Biden.
www.scribd.com

Interesting ...

#30 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-24 10:17 PM | Reply

Everything I posted about Hunter above 100% factually true. You cannot dispute a single point of it.

They never do, just call us colorful metaphors .. it makes them feel good.

#31 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-24 10:18 PM | Reply

#30 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

A Ukrainian MP claims to have all of the documentation naming Joe specifically. I was banned for 3 weeks for posting the story. Seems like someone has something they want to keep hidden...

#32 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-24 10:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You cannot dispute a single point of it.

Show me where I made that claim.

Then kindly remove the straw.

Thanks.

#33 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-24 10:25 PM | Reply

"They never do, just call us colorful metaphors .. it makes them feel good.
#31 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS "

That is it in a nutshell. Everything that I posted was 100% true. They cannot dispute the truthfulness of it and they cannot logically argue the implications of it - so they are left to name call and say it is irrelevant. Well, I think they are going to be shocked when their dirty laundry is aired live - and I would bet the testimony of Joe and Hunter will be the highest rated segments. There is no getting around this for them - they will be forced to watch and confront the truth. Best case, Joe and Hunter were wildly unethical - worst case, they engaged in quid pro quo / bribery. Let the American people decide.

#34 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-24 10:29 PM | Reply

Even the activist-journalist left is admitting this has all been a sham! An attempted leftist coup! The rats are fleeing the sinking ship! Good thing rats can't swim very well. Hopefully they will all drown.

#35 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-11-24 10:30 PM | Reply

"Show me where I made that claim.
#33 | POSTED BY JPW"

I posted 10 points above - which one was factually inaccurate? Here is your big chance.

#36 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-24 10:31 PM | Reply

"Even the activist-journalist left is admitting this has all been a sham
#35 | POSTED BY BERSERKONE"

They are trying to force Nancy into a censure vote to save some of her dignity. Unfortunately, she cannot survive that politically. But, I don't see her other option. The Dems need to get Joe to step out of the race now to remove the Hunter controversy from the press and find a viable candidate (it is not Booty-Judge or Warren). Then they need to announce additional private hearings and perform a censure vote based upon those secret findings. They cannot continue with a public process where the GOP will call on Hunter and Joe Biden.

#37 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-24 10:35 PM | Reply

Inderdasting. I'm of the impression that dems are so panicked about not having an electable candidate that they're trying to keep Blumpf wrapped up in legal proceedings- whether or not they're legitimate- to distract from their own weakness. Gaslighting on a mass scale.

#38 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-11-24 10:45 PM | Reply

#38 | POSTED BY BERSERKONE

Problem is that their ability to draft a new candidate into the role is rapidly disappearing - much less one that is acceptable to the Bernie wing which does not want a candidate forced on them again. So, by having the hearings being a giant distraction, it takes away their ability to generate excitement around any of their existing candidates and definitely is not in their best interest.

Trump has turned the tables from the Dems trying to force the GOP into publicly voting to support Trump into the Dems scared to take a vote because their battleground members cannot afford to come out against Trump....and the net 'prize' is to see the impeachment squashed in the senate regardless. Nancy truly is a 3rd rate politician.

#39 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-24 11:06 PM | Reply

Impeachment appears dead. Public opinion is already swinging against it on the pendulum and the Horowitz IG report is to be released 2 weeks from today. I'm not expecting any kind of bombshell, but based upon what has been teased out so far (my thought is the most recent leaks during the past few days were by Democrats) it will do more to paint the Obama DOJ/CIA/FBI in a negative light than a positive one. If that happens, impeachment will be officially dead, barring any new Trump corruption revelations. Democrats better focus on the 2020 election.

Disclaimer: This is purely a political analysis. My personal take is that Trump has proven corrupt enough to warrant impeachment.

#40 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-11-25 12:26 AM | Reply

#40 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

I have already laid out the options the Dems have at this point - this is a no win situation. Frankly, I hope Nancy forces this to go to the senate as I do want the Bidens investigation.

You mentioned the IG report above - that will be a nothingburger as he will whitewash for the sake of the FBI. Durham is the one to watch and his report will be delivered just a few months before the election. Along with the Papadopolous story, the framing or Michael Flynn, and the illegal wiretapping via Carter Page, the big story will be on the origins and authenticity of the Manafort "black book". This was so sketchy that it was not even entered into evidence during Manafort's trial yet Ukraine stating its existence forced Manafort to step down as campaign head. Can you image a larger act of foreign interference in an election? And do you know who made sure that book came to light? Chalupa - the close friend of the whistleblower and DNC activist working in the Ukraine. All this needs to come out - it goes so far to explaining the Russia hoax and 2016 election.

#41 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-25 12:45 AM | Reply

I find it hilarious that republicans bring up Hunter Biden, when Illegitimate President Bucket of ----- children infest the White House, he sells access to himself through his businesses, he tailors foreign policy around his name, etc.

#42 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-11-25 01:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"he sells access to himself through his businesses, he tailors foreign policy around his name, etc.
#42 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS "

Great - make a compelling, fact based case on that. I would be happy to hear it and it would be 1000x more effective than the crap the Dems have thrown against the wall thus far.

#43 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-25 01:11 AM | Reply

"Great - make a compelling, fact based case on that."

It's illegal for the President to sell access to himself through his businesses, he tailors foreign policy around his name, etc?

Can you show me where it says that in the Constitution?

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-25 01:16 AM | Reply

"Can you show me where it says that in the Constitution?
#44 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

Moot point. Make the case that he has done that first.

#45 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-25 01:18 AM | Reply

Why make a case if it's not a crime?

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-25 02:13 AM | Reply

Guess whose platform 2020:
Socialism
Kill babies
Raise taxes
Open borders
Defund military
Take away guns
Weaken economy
Defend illegal aliens
Suppress free speech
Reparations for slavery
Remove electoral college

#47 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2019-11-25 04:18 AM | Reply

What a coincidence, those aren't crimes either!

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-25 04:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

JEFFJ

"it [Horowitz Report] will do more to paint the Obama DOJ/CIA/FBI in a negative light than a positive one."

Is that the ol' "but he did it too defense?"

Smart thinking, Jeff. ~~ You go ahead and hang you hat on that one ~~ LOL

#49 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-11-25 04:49 AM | Reply

I think the Democrats are rightfully nervous that the Senate wants to have a multi week trial in which the GOP controls who has to testify.

#12 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-24 07:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Judge Roberts controls that. I've heard that makes Republicans nervous.

#50 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-25 08:02 AM | Reply

The Republicans are going to use impeachment to prove Hunter Biden was a bad man?

I'm staggered at the implications should they succeed.

#51 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-25 08:09 AM | Reply

I would be happy to hear it and it would be 1000x more effective than the crap the Dems have thrown against the wall thus far.

#43 | POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG

You've done everything you can to disbelieve what we know about Trump's three years.

You'll never ever do a thing that questions your cult leader.

So stop lying. Oh wait, that would mean you stop breathing.

#52 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-25 08:16 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

You'll never ever do a thing that questions your cult leader.

#52 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-2

You don't question the people who sign your checks.

#53 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-25 08:54 AM | Reply

Dems scared to take a vote because their battleground members cannot afford to come out against Trump....

#39 | Posted by iragoldberg at

How interesting! Your theory is that those purple states also have no Democrats who vote come election time? Brilliant!

#54 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-25 09:00 AM | Reply

#14

The point is not that the Senate would convict, the point is that the Senate is going to call Joe, Hunter, Schiff and the Whistleblower as witnesses during the trial and there is nothing that the Dems can do about it. It is a "quasi-criminal" trial at that point, the Senate has full criminal subpoena power, and no shrieks of "irrelevant" are going to do any good.

The Dems don't want that happening during the primaries/election season.

#55 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-25 12:53 PM | Reply

#15

Reading comprehension is your friend...from the thread:

"we are hearing behind-the-scenes there are moderates getting cold feet."

Who exactly are they "hearing" that from?

#56 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-25 12:54 PM | Reply

#21

LOL, Bitterboy, name one GOP member of the House who is going to vote for impeachment.

Talk about stupid...

#57 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-25 12:55 PM | Reply

the Senate is going to call Joe, Hunter, Schiff and the Whistleblower as witnesses during the trial and there is nothing that the Dems can do about it.

#55 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-25 12:53 PM | Reply | Flag

Chief Justice Roberts may not see the relevance any more than the rest of us do.

#58 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-25 01:00 PM | Reply

the Senate is going to call Joe, Hunter, Schiff

#57 | Posted by Rightocenter

You're going to have to explain why you think this is such a dire threat? I don't get it.

#59 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-25 01:01 PM | Reply

#57 | Posted by Rightocenter

#59 | Posted by Zed at

You can explain it, right?

#60 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-25 01:04 PM | Reply

Of course you don't get it Zed, sniffing all that handcuff polish has destroyed any capability for independent thought, so I will S L O W L Y explain it to you:

Roberts will allow those witnesses to testify as the Fed. Rules of Evidence (hint: he is a Federal Judge) would deem that testimony relevant.

As for the threat, think about how bad Joe Biden is going to look, on TV in front of the Senate, as he is grilled about Hunter, Burisma and his statements in front of the Counsel on Foreign Relations.

#61 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-25 01:35 PM | Reply

You're going to have to explain why you think this is such a dire threat? I don't get it.

#59 | POSTED BY ZED

I'm not sure it's a dire threat. By calling the Bidens the GOP would be attempting to establish corruption which would, A) Harm Joe Biden's campaign and B) by establishing corruption they will attempt to validate Trump's effort toward getting Ukraine to investigate Biden.

By calling Schiff and the WB they can establish, for the record, coordination between Shiff's staff and the WB prior to filing the complaint.

In essence, they'd be able to muddy the water and create a narrative that may play well for the public.

#62 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-11-25 01:37 PM | Reply

Talk about stupid...

#57 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Stupid is thinking there was ever a chance they would be "swayed".

#63 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-25 01:39 PM | Reply

And by extension, the use of the lack of "swaying" as any measure of evidence validity.

#64 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-25 01:40 PM | Reply

coordination between Shiff's staff and the WB prior to filing the complaint.

Telling the WB to go to IC counsel isn't coordination.

#65 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-25 01:41 PM | Reply

##63-64

LOL, nice backpedal, better ice your Achilles after those posts.

#66 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-25 01:46 PM | Reply

That's not a backpedal.

That's what I meant in my initial post.

#67 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-25 01:47 PM | Reply

#67

Ok Boomer.

#68 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-25 01:51 PM | Reply

#29 | POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG

IRA, the arbiter of truth.

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Oh, ----! I spilt my coffee! HAHAHAHHAHAHA!

#69 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-11-25 01:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Ok Boomer.
#68 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Below the belt, RIGHTO.

#70 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-11-25 01:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

As for the threat, think about how bad Joe Biden is going to look, on TV in front of the Senate, as he is grilled about Hunter, Burisma and his statements in front of the Counsel on Foreign Relations.

#61 | Posted by Rightocenter at

LOL. He'll look like a victim of Republican machinations, just as JEFF kindly explained.

We both know Trump is corrupt, RIGHTOCENTER. Trying to hide behind another persons "misdeeds" is just going to make him look even more guilty.

#71 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-25 02:03 PM | Reply

He'll look like a victim of Republican machinations,

What do you think Democrats look like now?

If they find actual corruption and bribery,

We both know Trump is corrupt,

Yet we can't find enough to impeach him, after three years of digging in every facet of his life.

Trump literally has to be the cleanest President every to hold office, or DC is the most incompetent people on the planet, or the DRLeft nothing but idiots.

By calling the Bidens the GOP would be attempting to establish corruption which would

They will call Biden if there is actual corruption, its looking worse for the Bidens, even a liberal watch dog releases damn information against the Biden criminal network. My guess is Obama and Hillary knew, perhaps had their own charade .. her name is Chalupa.....

#72 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-25 02:28 PM | Reply

Trump shooting someone on Fifth Avenue wouldn't peel off any Republicans.

#73 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2019-11-25 02:43 PM | Reply

"The point is not that the Senate would convict, the point is that the Senate is going to call Joe, Hunter, Schiff and the Whistleblower as witnesses during the trial and there is nothing that the Dems can do about it."

I don't see how.

Which of Trump's impeachable offenses did Hunter Biden witness?

#74 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-25 02:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#67

Ok Boomer.

#68 | Posted by Rightocenter

LOL what exactly did you think I meant?

#75 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-25 05:37 PM | Reply

We both know Trump is corrupt,

Yet we can't find enough to impeach him, after three years of digging in every facet of his life.

Trump literally has to be the cleanest President every to hold office, or DC is the most incompetent people on the planet, or the DRLeft nothing but idiots.

Or you think we're all as stupid as you are and don't recognize the GOP for the sellouts they are who would refuse to impeach Trump absent his being caught...I dont' know, doing what? What would you actually consider an impeachable offense?

I asked that question of Msgt and he dodged.

Want to answer?

#76 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-25 05:39 PM | Reply

we can't find enough to impeach him,

Wrong.

There's Nothing which will convince Republicans to impeach him.

I'd ask you to be honest, RightofLeftCoastLawyer.

But why would I except some who lies about having two usernames to be honest about anything.

Sad.

#77 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-11-25 05:47 PM | Reply

Democrats getting cold feet over impeachment

About that...

House intelligence chairman Schiff says Trump impeachment report to come early next month

Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee plan to deliver a report soon after Thanksgiving making the case for impeaching President Trump, the chairman said on Monday, moving quickly to escalate what he called "urgent" evidence of wrongdoing by the president.

Errrrr. not so much....

#78 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-11-25 06:28 PM | Reply

Trump literally has to be the cleanest President every to hold office

#72 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Save for stealing two million from veterans, and buying off a porn star or two, or running as fake university, he is as pure as mother's milk.

#79 | Posted by Zed at 2019-11-25 07:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#78

Clearly you didn't watch the video. Just because Schiff is producing a report doesn't mean that the Reps from Purple Districts aren't getting cold feet, which is 100% the point of the thread.

#80 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-25 07:10 PM | Reply

the Reps from Purple Districts

... that are largely formerly Republican suburbs and exurban areas full of educated women where Trump's continued lawbreaking is not ignored or explained away. Dems have been on tv responding to the hardening polls by stating that even if they lose the House, Trump has to be held accountable because he continues to break the law and operate outside normal guardrails on an almost daily basis.

#81 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-11-25 07:22 PM | Reply

About that...
Errrrr. not so much.... - #78 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-11-25 06:28 PM

I guess they understand that they need to rush before what little support for impeachment remains continues to dwindle away.

#82 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-11-25 07:31 PM | Reply

#81

That may well be the case but does nothing to address the fact that those Reps are the ones referenced in the video that is the basis for this thread.

#83 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-25 08:51 PM | Reply

Should be impeached and removed via @CNN
polling:

Clinton, 1998:
29% impeach
67% don't impeach

Bush, 2006:
30% impeach
69% don't impeach

Obama, 2014:
29% impeach
70% don't impeach

Trump, 2019:
50% impeach
43% don't impeach

#84 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-11-26 12:06 PM | Reply

Trump literally has to be the cleanest President every to hold office

#72 | Posted by comrade fat Andy Mattress

Did you get that bald faced lie and talking point directly from Putin himself or is your IQ really that low.
Which is it?

Also Fat Andy, would you rather be Russian or American, time to choose.

#85 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-11-26 03:38 PM | Reply

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