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Monday, November 25, 2019

New public opinion polls are moving against Democrats on impeachment as independents sour on the House inquiry and increasingly express opposition to the hearings that have consumed Washington in recent weeks. The new data comes as a complete surprise to Democrats, many of whom believe witnesses have offered damning testimony about President Trump's dealings with Ukraine.

According to the FiveThirtyEight average of national polls, support for impeachment has shrunk from 50.3% in mid-October to 46.3% presently, while opposition has risen from 43.8% to 45.6%. Among independents in the FiveThirtyEight average, support for impeachment topped out at 47.7% in late October but has sunk to 41% over the past three weeks.

YouGov also showed a decline, with independent support for impeachment dropping from 39% earlier this month to 35% now and opposition increasing from 35% to 40%.

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An Emerson University survey found an even more extreme flip among independents.

In October, independents supported impeachment 48% to 35% in Emerson's polling. In the new poll released this week, independents opposed it by a 49% to 34% margin. In that time, overall support for impeaching Trump swung from 48% in favor and 44% against to 45% in opposition to impeachment and 43% in favor.

The latest Morning Consult survey was the third poll released this week to register a flip among independents. That survey also registered a new low among all voters in favor of impeachment at 48%.

But perhaps most alarming for Democrats is a new survey of Wisconsin from Marquette University. In Wisconsin, a key swing state in next year's election, Marquette found that 40% supported impeaching Trump and removing him from office, while 53% opposed it. In October, before the hearings began, support was at 44%t and opposition was at 51%.

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No wonder WashPo/CNN is trying to get ahead of this shift by claiming that they are "hearing behind-the-scenes there are [Dem] moderates getting cold feet."

This is terrible news for any Democrat that was elected in 2016 in a Purple District.

Nancy is going to have to get the Cat-O-Ninetails out to keep her caucus in line to get close to 231 votes to impeach.

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-25 01:11 PM | Reply

--Nancy is going to have to get the Cat-O-Ninetails out to keep her caucus in line to get close to 231 votes to impeach.

She's ready.

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#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-25 01:19 PM | Reply

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that this will once again flip back once Parnas' audio is made public.

#3 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-11-25 01:20 PM | Reply

Oh, yeah, and depending on the information provided by Pompeo, Perry, Mulvaney, and Bolton (when and [BIG] if they testify) should also help sway this back in the impeachment direction.

#4 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-11-25 01:24 PM | Reply

#4

The Dems have to go to court to enforce those subpoenas and so far they have refused to do so. If the vote happens in December without those subpoenas being enforced by the courts, the Dems only have themselves to blame.

#5 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-25 01:29 PM | Reply

#5 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

No blame for the WH for obstructing? How would this not be considered a cover up?

I'm so confused with this considering these four might be capable of providing exculpatory evidence for Trump et al. The WH's refusal to allow them to testify is damning, IMO. What's there to hide?

And I'm asking you this because I sincerely am lost regarding this specific subtopic.

#6 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-11-25 02:21 PM | Reply

#6

They are in their legal rights to object to the subpoenas, the Dems have to go to court to get orders to compel testimony and so far they have refused to do so. If the Dems get court orders and then Trump tells them to ignore those orders, that is obstruction. Until then, it is all hyperventilation.

Read Prof. Jonathan Turley's article on how to conduct a proper impeachment, it will answer your questions.

#7 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-25 02:30 PM | Reply

No wonder WashPo/CNN is trying to get ahead of this shift by claiming that they are "hearing behind-the-scenes there are [Dem] moderates getting cold feet."

I was curious about the sources going with that "cold feet" thing ... but yeah now it makes alot of sense.

I wonder if its a ploy to make them appear more moderate on the topic, without naming names.

#8 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-25 02:41 PM | Reply

Read Prof. Jonathan Turley's article on how to conduct a proper impeachment, it will answer your questions.
#7 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Thanks. Will take a look.

But also, what's your speculation/understanding as to why the Dems have not taken this to the courts? I saw they dropped the lawsuit for the one official subpoenaed.

#9 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-11-25 02:43 PM | Reply

#7 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

The impeachment is being run by Pelosi and her Lawfare blog minions, which are as converted as they come. They try to manipulate everything through rules and process, as opposed to what Turley recommends and probably in the long wrong would look better.

But that is not how the Demcorats think/behave, they want it NOW, NOW, NOW, NOW!!

#10 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-25 02:43 PM | Reply

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But that is not how the Demcorats think/behave, they want it NOW, NOW, NOW, NOW!!
#10 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

There's election integrity to consider, isn't there? That's why I was saying over the summer, if impeachment doesn't happen by the end of August, it won't happen at all because Pelosi will use election integrity as a (worthwhile) excuse.

#11 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-11-25 02:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#9 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

Rsty, the House changed a bunch of rules over the years.

The idea that any committee member/head can send a subpoena to the Executive branch and insist it has to be obeyed is rather new, and IMO more of an overreach than before.

It used to be just the judiciary was the only committee that issued subpoenas afaik, and it had some bipartisanship to it for the case of impeachment. Thus carried some weight when it goes to court to be enforced against the executive branch.

We can't have committee members running roughshod over the executive branch.

#12 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-25 02:48 PM | Reply

#9

I don't think that they ultimately lose in court now that they have formalized the impeachment process, so that probably isn't the reason. If you read Prof. Jonathan Turley's article in the other thread, I think that they are trying to "dirty up" Trump as much as they can before the first primary votes and hope that a Senate Trial is quick so that the news cycle moves on.

If the Dems took the subpoenas to court they wouldn't clear the court of appeals until spring, which would then continue to draw attention away from the Democratic Primaries, which would ultimately hurt their eventual candidate.

#13 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-25 02:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- her Lawfare blog minions

Mackris is the epitome of a mindless sycophant who will lie about anything, the bigger and more absurd the lie the better. In other words, the perfect image of his Dear Leader Trump.

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-25 02:50 PM | Reply

There's election integrity to consider, isn't there?

Is there?

MY perdiction has been, and is Democrats want to use the faux "impeachment process" to drag out as much mud, gorilla dust as possible, without eposing their own dirty laundry. Nothing needs to stick, just make people wonder.

Democrats don't even need to goto trial, if they just bring out enough witnesses and the press screams enough. Most people aren't listening to the details like we do in the DR.

IMO they should have waited for the hearing till Feb/March ... again NOW NOW comes to mind.

Most people just follow the ebb and flow of it all.

#15 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-25 02:51 PM | Reply

#13

Crap, man... just ignore Justice Mackris' ruling that a congressional subpoena is worthless why don't 'cha.

#16 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-25 02:53 PM | Reply

#11

I was saying the same thing, Pelosi can't allow this to drag on into the new year so she is going to rush a vote on it. Unfortunately for the Democratic caucus, she may lose votes from the 231 she already had on the Inquiry, which would be a disaster since Trump would start tweeting that he is totally exonerated and as we have seen from these polls there are independents that would tend to agree with him.

#17 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-25 02:55 PM | Reply

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-25 02:50 PM | Reply | Flag: Clintonite

Can't get any more mindless than worshiping a legendary liar like Hillary Rotten.

#18 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-25 02:55 PM | Reply

"Nothing needs to stick, just make people wonder."

It's funny because this is EXACTLY what Trump demanded from Ukraine!

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-25 02:55 PM | Reply

#14 | POSTED BY CORKY

Its a well known fact Pelosi enlisted the Lawfare blog minions to help make changes to the house rules to enable impeachment.

Which is why using the Lawfare blog is such an incredibly biased source, its like using Mark Levin as a source on the right.

#20 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-25 02:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

- faux "impeachment process"

lmao... evidence that the US Pres attempted to extort dirt on a political opponent from an ally that was literally bleeding to death in return for releasing approved military aid has been the result of this process.

Which, of course, doesn't matter because Mackris cares not whether the Pres is as guilty as he looks or not.

Tax cut over country every time for him.

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-25 02:58 PM | Reply

#16

They are not worthless, but as Prof. Turley correctly points out, it is within the subpoenaed witnesses legal rights to object to the subpoenas and the only recourse other than screaming and running in circles about those objections is to get a court order to enforce the subpoenas. To date the Dems have refused to do that.

#22 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-25 02:58 PM | Reply

#20

Lawfare has the reputation of an objective source of legal opinions... ask your attny RoC before you say something that stupid again.

#23 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-25 03:00 PM | Reply

Pelosi can't allow this to drag on into the new year so she is going to rush a vote on it.

Then its pointless politically ...

It's funny because this is EXACTLY what Trump demanded from Ukraine!
#19 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Yet without the WB, no one would ever have known ... see how this works?

I would say someone in the Democrat party wanted Biden gone or at least face some heat.

#24 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-25 03:00 PM | Reply

Lawfare has the reputation of an objective source of legal opinions... ask your attny RoC before you say something that stupid again.
#23 | POSTED BY CORKY

I agree they did before the election, I used to read them ....

But now they have lost their objectivity, keep up ...
nymag.com

#25 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-25 03:02 PM | Reply

#22

But as you said, they would prolly be enforced.

You need to have a talk with your client Macrkis. He hasn't clue one.... of course it would be shocking if he did.

#26 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-25 03:02 PM | Reply

Which, of course, doesn't matter because Mackris cares not whether the Pres is as guilty as he looks or not.

I would care if there was some actual crime.

But you guys have been yelling "nuclear bomb" and "impeachment" about everything Trump does, since before the election.

You lose credibility ... its not hard to understand, and its easy to see, but I imagine inside the bubble its hard to detect.

#27 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-25 03:05 PM | Reply

He hasn't clue one.... of course it would be shocking if he did.
#26 | POSTED BY CORKY

FACT!

#28 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-25 03:07 PM | Reply

- they have lost their objectivity

Ah, Mattress "thinks" that a lefty writer, one he would never quote on any other subject, complaining about one of Lawfare's people means they have all lost their objectivity. That's so not surprising.

#29 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-25 03:11 PM | Reply

- I would care if there was some actual crime.

Profiting personally and politically from extorting dirt on an opponent by a Pres who has held up military aid to an ally, or even attempting to do so, is easily an impeachable offence.

And the fact that he did exactly that is clear from the testimony of the witnesses who themselves observed it happening and even reported it at the time.

But a Mattress hears what it wants to hear and disregards the rest, li, li,li.

#30 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-25 03:16 PM | Reply

Most people just follow the ebb and flow of it all.
#15 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

If true, why wait this late in the election cycle? I mean, as JEFF, ROC and I have agreed since the conclusion of the Mueller report, Dems had justification before the Ukraine issue to impeach based on obstruction. In my mind, the only reason to take on Ukraine as the impeachable issue is that they actually believe(d) they could move beyond the impeachment hearings and take this to trial in the Senate.

You make it sound like they shot themselves in the foot, which I definitely would not put passed Pelosi.

#31 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-11-25 03:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#31

I think that giving the reins to Schiff was akin to putting the grenade in your mouth and throwing the pin.

Maybe that was Pelosi's plan all along, expose Schiff for the empty suit that he is (but Nadler isn't much better) and pull back at the last minute "for the good of the country."

#32 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-25 04:53 PM | Reply

It blows me away how the perceptions of hard core right wingers like ROC differ so completely from the view of moderates such as myself. Schiff has done an AMAZING job. Nunes has made a fool of himself.

#33 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-11-25 05:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Republicans are scum and expecting them to do the right thing is a losing proposition

#34 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-11-25 05:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The fact that illegitimate president bucket of ---- is constantly using the presidency to better himself at the price our national security is abominable

#35 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-11-25 05:11 PM | Reply

The fact that illegitimate president bucket of ---- is constantly using the presidency to better himself at the price our national security is abominable

Republicans don't care.

#36 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-11-25 05:19 PM | Reply

moderates such as myself.

-Moderhate

LMAO, your lack of self awareness is nothing short of astounding.

#37 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-25 05:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

ModerHate is about as moderate as Antifa, or even worse, Maxine Waters.

#38 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-25 05:28 PM | Reply

Thought this was kinda interesting:

On Trump impeachment, divisions between urban and rural Democrats

www.reuters.com

#39 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2019-11-25 05:36 PM | Reply

#39 fta...

"Let's not vote for impeachment. Let's get stuff done. I'm sick of it!"

A reasonable position would be believing accomplishing something would help get you re-elected......

Urban Democrats don't seem to think like reasonable people.

#40 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-25 05:46 PM | Reply

I would also imagine the rural Democrat has more in common with the urban Republican,than the urban Democrat.

#41 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-25 05:48 PM | Reply

Lovin' it when Independents start distancing themselves from the dems.

#42 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-11-26 02:36 PM | Reply

I question whether in my lifetime a Republican will ever be elected POTUS by a majority of the voters. But for cheating and the machinations of the Electoral College, I don't think any Republican presidential candidate will win any time in the next thirty years. For the majority of sane and honest Americans, the Party that gave us Trump and GWB before that has shot it's wad. Only the greedy and the stupid still consider themselves to be Republicans at this point.

#43 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-11-26 02:56 PM | Reply

FTA:

Marquette pollster Charles Franklin described the shift as modest and said it could be driven by voters viewing impeachment as an extreme measure. Franklin said that when former Gov. Scott Walker (R) was being recalled in Wisconsin, even some Democrats who despised Walker were conflicted about the recall effort and viewed it as an overreach.

"It was surprising to find that Democrats are a little less supportive of impeachment now. They appear a little less unified in their opposition," Franklin said. "It moves the race from being a small Democratic lead that was mostly inside the margin of error to a small Trump lead that is mostly inside the margin of error and basically reaffirms Wisconsin's status as a battleground state."

#44 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-11-26 09:02 PM | Reply

"I question whether in my lifetime a Republican will ever be elected POTUS by a majority of the voters"

Were you born after 2004?

#45 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-11-26 10:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The polls never got higher then 29% to impeach Clinton.. didnt stop the Republicans...
But we are supposed to think 46% is a low number?
Roc spends alot of effort trying to set the narrative around here.

Trump is getting impeached... the Senate is gutless so he will survive but be severely wounded for reelection IMO

#46 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2019-11-26 11:24 PM | Reply

#45

No, he is just soooooper Moderate, as you can tell by his posts...

#47 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-11-26 11:30 PM | Reply

"Trump is getting impeached... the Senate is gutless so he will survive but be severely wounded for reelection IMO
#46 | POSTED BY 503JC69"

90%+ of Dems wanted Trump impeached before the Ukraine phone call so their opinions don't matter. Of independents, the newest polling finds impeachment support at 23%.

Impeachment is unlikely - probably Dems forced to never announce next steps or a censure vote will occur. If a vote does happen, the Dems will be made to look foolish in the Senate. Finally, Trump will win by a later EC vote than in 2016.

#48 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-26 11:31 PM | Reply

I like how you ignored the fact 46% want Trumps removal when it only took 29% for Clinton to be impeached.

There is more then enough to impeach just on obstruction charges during Russia and Ukraine investigations.

#49 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2019-11-27 07:39 AM | Reply

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