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Tuesday, November 26, 2019

Majorities of Americans say the federal government is doing too little for key aspects of the environment, from protecting water or air quality to reducing the effects of climate change. And most believe the United States should focus on developing alternative sources of energy over expansion of fossil fuel sources, according to a new Pew Research Center survey.

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No American will believe anything unless the Hoover Dam collapses.

That's what all the movies tell us.

#1 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-11-25 03:19 PM | Reply

The other 20% are republicans

#2 | Posted by hamburglar at 2019-11-25 03:21 PM | Reply

The other 20% are Deplorables.

Oh wait you just said that!

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-25 03:30 PM | Reply

75% wanted to invade Iraq.

#4 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-25 03:39 PM | Reply

@#2 ... The other 20% are republicans ...

I was not too surprised to see the sub-headline, "Partisan gap on climate change is mostly due to older male conservatives."

Given that that group happens to be a large part (most?) of the Fox News "alternative facts" (as Ms Conway calls it) viewership.


#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-25 04:18 PM | Reply

The real question for public policy is catastrophic global warming, not just man-made global warming. Two different things. NCGW, Non-Castrophic CGW, requires no radical policies; just letting technology continue to improve energy efficiency, carbon sequestration, green energy, etc.

#6 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-25 04:57 PM | Reply

@#6 ... The real question for public policy is catastrophic global warming, not just man-made global warming. Two different things. NCGW, Non-Castrophic CGW, requires no radical policies; just letting technology continue to improve energy efficiency, carbon sequestration, green energy, etc. ...

Your comments have gone from denial to deflection.

Good, that's progress.

One step at a time.

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-25 05:12 PM | Reply

Those numbers are in line with the number of Americans not willing to spend more than $10 a month to combate CGW.

"68% of Americans Wouldn't Pay $10 a Month in Higher Electric Bills to Combat Climate Change "

A majority is willing to spend $1 a month, if that's any consolation to the eco-socialist gloomsters.

www.cato.org

#8 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-25 05:19 PM | Reply

99% could understand that global warming is an impending catastrophe, but if the other 1% is paying politicians to ignore it then it doesn't matter. And that's what we're getting.

In 1823 (NOT 1923) is was shown that the greenhouse effect was caused by CO2. In 1898 this was linked to fossil fuel causing a warming climate. That's the age of the science that deniers are denying. Sigh.

#9 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2019-11-25 06:46 PM | Reply

@#8 ... "68% of Americans Wouldn't Pay $10 a Month in Higher Electric Bills to Combat Climate Change " ...

So you acknowledge that climate change is a problem.

Good.

Another step forward for you.

#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-25 06:58 PM | Reply

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--Another step forward for you.

Spare me your condescension, you pompous dolt.

#11 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-25 07:16 PM | Reply

@#11 ... Spare me your condescension ...

No condescension, just acknowledgement of the changing position in your posts.

More of a compliment.

#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-25 07:29 PM | Reply

14% of conservative Republicans think humans can have a significant effect on the environment
15% of liberal Democrats think natural causes can have a significant effect on the environment

Can we just put both these groups on an island somewhere and let climate change take care of them?

#13 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-11-25 11:04 PM | Reply

Spare me your condescension, you pompous dolt.

#11 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

You've earned it.

So take it like a man and stop whining.

#14 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-26 02:26 AM | Reply

--But recent events, including fires, unusual temperatures, and destructive storms, seem to have pushed public acceptance of climate change to higher levels.

That's because any normal, annual weather event, like heat waves in summer and hurricanes during hurricane season, are spun as examples of catastrophic global warming by the scientifically-illiterate MSM, populated by eco-socialist activists masquerading as journalists.

#15 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-11-26 09:15 AM | Reply

@#15 ... That's because any normal, annual weather event, like heat waves in summer and hurricanes during hurricane season, are spun as examples of catastrophic global warming by the scientifically-illiterate MSM, populated by eco-socialist activists masquerading as journalists. ...

Feel better blaming it on the media?

But to your point, the media articles I've read tend to say that the increase in more extreme weather events may be caused by climate change.

The media tends to draw the difference between local weather and global climate.

But I know some folk like to blame everything on the media.

#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-26 11:48 AM | Reply

"Can we just put both these groups on an island somewhere and let climate change take care of them?"

Not without climate change taking care of you too.
So at least there's a silver lining, Swastika Rehabilitator.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-26 02:12 PM | Reply

It's sounds about right, although I imagine that 28% climate deniers is closer to accurate. Maybe the 8% of fingers-in-their-ears "conservatives" have seen enough flooding and natural disasters to finally stop listening to the oil lobbyis...I mean GOP, on this one. I'm not convinced. That 28% of the radical right wing is pretty consistent.

#18 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-11-26 02:50 PM | Reply

What's an eco-socialist? I've never heard that term before. Which conspiracy web site with flashing graphics and American flags all over the page did that come from?

#19 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-11-26 02:54 PM | Reply

"Majorities of Americans say the federal government is doing too little for key aspects of the environment, from protecting water or air quality to reducing the effects of climate change. And most believe the United States should focus on developing alternative sources of energy over expansion of fossil fuel sources, according to a new Pew Research Center survey."

Are you kidding me? Do you really believe Americans are this stupid?

America's 'drinking' water is FIRST in the world, tied with 9 other countries.

America's air quality ranks 10th in the world of over 100 other countries.

America's Green House Gas Emissions in 2017 (after accounting for sequestration from the land sector) were 13 percent below 2005 levels. No other nation in the world embracing the Paris Climate Change Accord did as well.

And America's private energy sector is doing a great many things to lessen the human impact upon Climate Change ... eveything from fracking, to CLEAN coal, to stronger EPA pollution regs where needed, to improved pollution regs on automobiles and trucks, etc. etc.

America's government is NOT sitting on its when it comes to pollution or Climate Change. Likewise America's government is NOT out there crying wolf and doing anything to scare the young people of this country into believing the world is coming to an end in 10 years. The fake Climate Change scientists have been claiming this since 1970 --- for 50 years now. The looney scientists have no idea how to control Mother Nature anymore than you or I do!

Mother Earth has undergone tremendous evolution and 'change' for the past 4 million years. And we're all still here. More - much much more attention needs to be placed upon the sad state of pollution the earth's oceans are in and the pending flame out of the Sun in less than 2 million years! That's when life ends on earth and we ALL know it!

I'll be long gone by .. but as long as In can breathe the air where I live and drink the water where I live I am very happy!

#20 | Posted by SJHamilton at 2019-11-26 03:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Old white conservative men.

#21 | Posted by hamburglar at 2019-11-26 07:20 PM | Reply

And 90% of us sincerely don't give a ----. Literally no climate change models predicts the end of the human species. Life is change; humans adapt.

#22 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-11-26 07:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Life is change; humans adapt.

"I do not know with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
~A. Einstein

Indeed.

#23 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-11-26 07:45 PM | Reply

Humans will be gone and the earth will live on. www.youtube.com

#24 | Posted by hamburglar at 2019-11-26 09:02 PM | Reply

"68% of Americans Wouldn't Pay $10 a Month in Higher Electric Bills to Combat Climate Change "

yawn... didja ever notice how when it comes to climate change... it ALWAYS comes down to money....

didja notice how it's it's ALWAYS humans causing ALL the trouble.... NEVER corporations....

i known and met thousands of humans and only one or two rich ones i could say where active in causing climate change in their own small ways....

but corporations on the other hand....

would love to see a news article listing the corporations doing the most damage to the climate or planet...

of course... you'll never see or read THAT one news article...

#25 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-11-27 09:34 AM | Reply

We need to quit worrying about whether climate change is man made or not. At this point it may no longer matter.

If most of us at least acknowledge that it's a problem, no matter the cause, there are far more pressing issues at hand. Like the demographics of hundreds of millions of people around the world becoming climate refugees over the next century. The World Isn't Ready For Climate Refugees.

Trump's solution seems to be to ignore the actual problem, and deny climate change, while he turns America into a giant gated community.

#26 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2019-11-27 12:03 PM | Reply

The real question for public policy is catastrophic global warming, not just man-made global warming.

#6 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

How do you define "catastrophic"? Is there a set definition? One easily understood and not subject to interpretation? If not, whose subjective opinion defines what is and is not "catastrophic"?

And along those lines, "catastrophic" for who? For white people? For the people in "flyover country" (in ---- hole states), or for the (mostly liberal) people on the the coasts that will be most affected by sea levels rising?

And, how sure do we have to be that it will be "catastrophic"? We have a very high confidence in what direction things will go, but there is a lot of uncertainty as to how bad it will be. Does it have to be a 50% chance that it will be catastrophic? 75%? 90%? Or, as I am sure procrastinators like you will insist, 99.999999%?

And then, I am sure, you are going to say that the burden of proof is on us, that WE will have to prove it WILL be harmful. But, why should you not have to prove that it WON'T be harmful. YOU are the one ADVOCATING for changing the climate. I want to try to keep it the same. I feel like the burden of proof should be on YOU to prove that the actions you are supporting WON'T be harmful.

#27 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-11-27 01:28 PM | Reply

of course... you'll never see or read THAT one news article...

#25 | POSTED BY PEGASUS

www.theguardian.com

#28 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-11-27 01:29 PM | Reply

That's because any normal, annual weather event, like heat waves in summer and hurricanes during hurricane season, are spun as examples of catastrophic global warming by the scientifically-illiterate MSM, populated by eco-socialist activists masquerading as journalists.

10/12 of the last years the hottest ever.
6th mass extinction - in progress
Loss of almost all coral reef
Unprecedented fire activity

All normal?

When I think the bar for stupidity can't be any lower, along comes Nullidunce to prove me wrong.

#29 | Posted by zarnon at 2019-11-27 02:07 PM | Reply

"Literally no climate change models predicts the end of the human species."

Wait, so you believe the climate models now?
???

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-11-27 04:48 PM | Reply

Literally no climate change models predicts the end of the human species. Life is change; humans adapt.

#22 | Posted by Merovigan

Human species surviving =/= you and your children surviving.

Your mindset is lazy thinking meant to placate your lazy mind. Nothing more.

#31 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-27 11:53 PM | Reply

#30
I've always believed climate models - I'm not the caricature you have in your head. And, again, there are literally zero models that predict anything close to all human beings dying. The worst case scenarios are easily survivable so no, I'm not going to go out of my way to give a ---- about this issue because it just doesn't matter.

#31
Me and my kids will be fine; we have money, close friends, and family. My mindset is that of personal survival and caring for my family. I don't need to save the world; just my people. Since climate change isn't a universal threat (unlike, say, an asteroid strike or a pandemic) it isn't really a threat at all. Some will survive, some won't. My job is to be a part of those who survive, and since it's just a little hotter, colder, and worse weather, I'mma be fine. So long as the soft-minded don't open the borders in the name of "Humanitarianism."

#32 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-11-28 12:29 AM | Reply

>a poll of the ignorant public is now presented as a reason to pressure you into conformity
Europeans and those of European posterity are the only ones who care enough about the environment to start eating bugs, living in eco-pods, and self-flagellating. Look at how irresponsible middle easterners and sub-saharan africans are with their reproduction rates! Do you think those same people would ever have the conscience, the presence of mind, or the ability to plan for anything other than harvesting tomorrow's crop from what grows on the trees today? Certainly something must be done, or else the globe will be overrun with room-temperature-IQ bugpeople.

#33 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-11-28 02:19 AM | Reply

>human role in climate change
I keep hearing about how people adopting the first-world lifestyle causes each individual's carbon footprint to balloon orders of magnitude. I agree. We simply shouldn't accept anyone from Africa into Europe or the Americas. Also, let's discontinue all the food shipments into that great Wakandan Continent; such overabundant food deliveries are almost certainly holding back these great peoples from developing their true agricultural potential free of outside capitalistic influences.

#34 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-11-28 02:25 AM | Reply

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