Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Tuesday, November 26, 2019

Former Vice President Joe Biden has retaken the lead in the Democratic primary race for president as Senator Elizabeth Warren's numbers have plummeted, according to a Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pea-ack) University national poll released today. Biden receives 24 percent of the vote among Democratic voters and independent voters who lean Democratic, while South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg gets 16 percent, Warren receives 14 percent, and Sen. Bernie Sanders gets 13 percent.

More

Comments

Admin's note: Participants in this discussion must follow the site's moderation policy. Profanity will be filtered. Abusive conduct is not allowed.

Not sure I can vote for a Mayor, but this seems to indicate that the Moderates are starting to be heard in the polls.

#1 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2019-11-26 04:53 PM | Reply

Pete Buttigieg will win the white liberal vote. That's it.

Here's proof that he's dead-in-the-water after New Hampshire.

drudge.com

#2 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-11-26 05:06 PM | Reply

Not sure I can vote for a Mayor, but this seems to indicate that the Moderates are starting to be heard in the polls.

#1 | POSTED BYLEFTCOASTLAWYER

What you're hearing is allot of corporate bought campaign ads that's only getting the attention of affluent white liberals who still watch MSNBC ...

and mistakenly think never-Trumper-hacks like Nicole Wallace and Steve Schmidt are saying something of substance on CNN.

Bernie, Tulsi, Yang, Warren -- in that order.

All other Dem candidates are bought and sold corporate hacks who represent the status quo of wealth inequality, dysfunctional healthcare, and making the Rust Belt even rustier.

#3 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-11-26 05:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Media's pick Mayo Pete

#4 | Posted by hamburglar at 2019-11-26 06:28 PM | Reply

#2 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT

Lee, no need to even discuss his policies. His sexuality makes him unelectable in the general election. I said since he first announced that he will not be able to get the black turnout and splits the Dems need to win - I was called every name in the book for this. Now, even the mainstream media is questioning his proven lack of black support, effectively polling at ZERO. It was not homophobic when I pointed this out, it is just a statement on reality. How can the Dem leaders be so out of touch that they didn't see this issue?

#5 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-26 07:14 PM | Reply

#5

For what it's worth, a gay candidate has far higher electability than an atheist/agnostic.
fivethirtyeight.com

Scary, I know.

#6 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-11-26 07:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#6 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

I point to the CA Prop 8 vote in 2008 on gay marriage ban. Obama won the state with 60%+ of the vote while the gay marriage failed - and the biggest voting blocks that stopped it was blacks. That was CA in 2008, yes, more progressive than the rest of the country. How does this look in 2019, Booty-Judge still pulling in ZERO black support. But, someone in the Dem leadership thinks this guy can win. Shows how out of touch the MSM really is.

#7 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-26 07:47 PM | Reply

@#2 ... Here's proof that he's dead-in-the-water after New Hampshire. ...

Where was candidate Trump at this stage of the game?

Having said that, looking at the current crop of Democratic candidates, I'm thinking four more years with an emboldened Pres Trump.


#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-26 08:05 PM | Reply

#7 | POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG

Stutzman, the GOP strategist, is candid about how California has changed since 2008. "Four years later I don't believe [Prop. 8] would pass again," he acknowledged.
www.washingtonpost.com

Difficult to understand, I know.

#9 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-11-26 08:11 PM | Reply

"Difficult to understand, I know.
#9 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11"

That is in CA - not middle America. Also, it flies in the face of all the current polling data showing blacks have effectively ZERO support for Booty-Judge. Now, maybe it is because he is short or a mayor....or maybe it is because he is openly gay. I know which one I believe is the case. Same goes to a lesser extent with Hispanic voters. But, blacks will be the focus of 2020 and the Dems blaming them for the loss this time around.

#10 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-11-26 08:18 PM | Reply

Buttigieg would make a great VP.

#11 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-11-26 08:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

@#11

I agree. That's been my current thinking about a possible Democratic ticket.

It would give him the national experience he lacks.

#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-26 09:02 PM | Reply

#10 | POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG

Please do not confuse my earlier post as an intent to support Buttigege.

It was more in line to offer context of what people are willing and unwilling to tolerate in a POTUS, that being an intolerance for those who lack faith.

To me, that's telling.

#13 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-11-26 09:14 PM | Reply

Biden is a safe choice when the snake you know is Donald Trump.

I would prefer Warren, Bernie, or Pete... but the truth is that her's and his policy goals are not very different, just the tactics and the speed of their progression.

If the electorate wants Biden and liberals are stupid enough to fight over the difference between him and Warren, then I guess they will deserve what they get.

Of course, we will all get the same orange disaster, just like last time.

Thanks, Puritanists!

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-26 09:57 PM | Reply

@#14 ... Thanks, Puritanists!...

That's the way to politically garner support... insult people.

:)

#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-26 10:11 PM | Reply

#14

When was the last time the "next in line" candidate won the WH, Corky?

#16 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-11-26 10:17 PM | Reply

#14 | Posted by Corky

Sure, if Biden wins, the Dems win and you get rid of Trump.

The unfortunate fact is that if either Trump or Biden win, American and the world loses. Neither one of them are going to fix our most pressing problems, climate change, healthcare or income inequality. It's really just a matter of degree how much worse one is than the other.

#17 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2019-11-26 10:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"It's really just a matter of degree how much worse one is than the other."

RBG on line #1 for you.

#18 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-11-26 10:32 PM | Reply

- insult people.

Some people were insulted when purists sat on their hands last time.... you know, when they ignored Bernie's advice and helped elect Trump.

Perhaps you have a retort to the practical point I made about throwing away an election again if certain people get a progressive candidate, just not a progressive enough candidate.

#16

When was the last time a far left candidate won the WH?

I can tell you the last time a far right candidate won the WH.... GW, Reagan, Nixon, and now Trump. It'll be Trump again if we aren't careful.

Like I said, Biden isn't my first choice. But I don't project my preferences on the voters despite what the polls say.

#19 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-26 10:37 PM | Reply

- It's really just a matter of degree how much worse one is than the other.

Yes, it is. And Trump is a thousand times worse even if GOP policy is only 100 times worse.

There are some cogent rules to lesser evil voting.

chomsky.info

#20 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-26 10:40 PM | Reply

When was the last time a far left candidate won the WH?
#19 | POSTED BY CORKY

Just please answer my initial question. I asked it with full sincerity.

#21 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-11-26 10:56 PM | Reply

When was the last time a far left candidate won the WH?
#19 | POSTED BY CORKY

George McGovern won in 1972 on the parallel universe vote.

#22 | Posted by LesWit at 2019-11-27 12:11 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#19 ... Perhaps you have a retort to the practical point I made ...

I do not regard insults as practical points.

But to the point of the rest of your comment...

Your definition of "far-right" seems to be a bit skewed.

Of the four you cite, I would agree with two.

So maybe you might need to adjust your political spectrum to a more reality-based environment.

Jus' sayin'

#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-11-27 12:27 AM | Reply

When was the last time a far left candidate won the WH?
#19 | POSTED BY CORKY

More importantly when was the last time Corky picked a winning candidate???

#24 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-11-27 01:23 AM | Reply

Corky, we got the orange disaster because of "centrists" candidates like Hillary, your choice for president.

Keep pushing the same crappy candidates as usual and you're going to get the same results. I'm not sure how many elections you have to lose to learn this. I hope it's as few as possible.

Consider supporting a candidate who is no farther left then Roosevelt, like Sanders. Join a winning team that is energized and will energize voters. More people didn't vote than voted for the green party last time around. Wonder why?

#25 | Posted by dibblda at 2019-11-27 01:45 AM | Reply

Corky, we got the orange disaster because of "centrists" candidates like Hillary, your choice for president.
Keep pushing the same crappy candidates as usual and you're going to get the same results. I'm not sure how many elections you have to lose to learn this. I hope it's as few as possible.
Consider supporting a candidate who is no farther left then Roosevelt, like Sanders. Join a winning team that is energized and will energize voters. More people didn't vote than voted for the green party last time around. Wonder why?

POSTED BY DIBBLDA AT 2019-11-27 01:45 AM | REPLY

Corky's peddling the same schit he was in 2016. He hasn't learnt one God damned thing.

#26 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-11-27 01:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I just don't know who to believe about intelligent progressive voting, Bernie, Warren, Biden, Pete... all the other Dem candidates... Noam Chomsky, all of whom supported and voted for Clinton and will do the same for Biden if necessary... or LauraBelle.

Decisions, decisions.

- Join a winning team that is energized and will energize voters.

You mean the one that lost the far more liberal than the general election Dem primary in 2016 by a landslide millions of votes? That one?

The ones who's candidate is now being out-polled by Biden, Warren, and Pete?

Uh-huh.

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-27 10:12 AM | Reply

RBG on line #1 for you.

#18 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Exactly why it's most important to swing the Senate and get rid of McConnell.

#28 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2019-11-27 11:38 AM | Reply

Buttigieg would make a great VP.

That really depends who the presidential candidate is. If it's a white man, Buttigieg would be a terrible VP pick. Dems need a minority on the ticket to drive turnout.

Also, if the presidential candidate is old, i'd have reservations about a VP who I wasn't comfortable being president. There's a genuine possibility Biden, Warren or Sanders die of old age in office. This heightens scrutiny on a VP pick.

Pete is fine, and i'd take him over Trump in a heartbeat, but there are many scenarios in which he is not a good VP choice.

#29 | Posted by JOE at 2019-11-27 11:45 AM | Reply

It's important to Corky that the Dems win. It seems to matter not if America still loses.

#30 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2019-11-27 11:46 AM | Reply

#14 If you actually think Buttigieg's policies are even comparable to Warren's or Sanders', you really aren't paying attention. He's a lot closer to Biden on the political spectrum.

#31 | Posted by JOE at 2019-11-27 11:46 AM | Reply

Where was Trump polling at this point in 2015?

He was dominant.

Always ran in front, never below 25%.

He vanquished Ted Cruz in December.

www.bing.com

#32 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-11-27 12:09 PM | Reply

"What you're hearing is allot of corporate bought campaign ads that's only getting the attention of affluent white liberals who still watch MSNBC ... "

And they are more than free to tune it out and instead go check out who Amy Goodman or the staff at ThinkProgress are supporting.

It seems that you're the only one who gets that it's not a lack of media diversity...it's just that some of that diversified media is produced by idiots who struggle to get out of their own -----------. You can bleat about it being corporate or whatever, but does it really matter to the viewer? Is it really that difficult for you to grasp that it might be a bit of a struggle for a lifelong democrat to support someone like Bernie, who's not even a party member? Who just wants the party's money?

I know you don't get that...but can you see where some Dems might?

...Not that Bernie is going anywhere. His support seems to be slipping on this side of the General Election, which means he'd be dead once was no longer appealing to a base that might support him, if only a little.

#33 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-11-27 01:22 PM | Reply

"It's important to Corky that the Dems win. It seems to matter not if America still loses."

Um, if the Dems win...it means Trump loses. How are you reconciling that as a bad thing?

#34 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-11-27 01:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's important to Corky that the Dems win. It seems to matter not if America still loses.

#30 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT

wtf, man. When MB gets it and you don't, I have to worry. Don't make me worry!

America loses less if the Dems win, which is what lesser evil voting, if that's the way one looks at it, is all about.

Actually, America will win a few if the Dems win, no matter who the candidate is, and lose much less than we would had Trump won.

What was it Stephen said about some voters who would rather have a broken-glass muffin if they can't have the whole loaf of bread?

Half a loaf may not be what we want or need, but it's damn sure better than the alternative.

#35 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-27 02:49 PM | Reply

I guess I have to repeat:

When was the last time a far left candidate won the WH?
#19 | POSTED BY CORKY

Just please answer my initial question. I asked it with full sincerity.
#21 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11


When was the last time the "next in line" candidate won the WH, Corky?

#36 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-11-27 02:54 PM | Reply

I wish the people could pick the president without interference and scale-tipping by the elites.

#37 | Posted by hamburglar at 2019-11-27 02:58 PM | Reply

C'mon Corky!

GHWB! What do I win?

#38 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-11-27 04:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#35

If Madbomber likes Biden, you should be worried.

#39 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2019-11-27 06:35 PM | Reply

It's not gonna be Bernie and it's not gonna be Pete. Trust me on this.

#40 | Posted by cbob at 2019-11-27 07:01 PM | Reply

When was the last time the "next in line" candidate won the WH, Corky?
#36 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

Christ. A simple fccking question. You're refusal to answer is telling.

Fcck Biden.

#41 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-11-27 07:21 PM | Reply

Please put up Bootyjudge against Blumpf.

#42 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-11-28 02:02 AM | Reply

BERKY

Curb your enthusiasm. It ain't gonna happen. Mayor Pete's a smart guy and oozes personality but he doesn't have his 'street creds', yet ~ if you get the drift.

I see Buttigieg's run as a trial balloon. He still has a lot of work to do before he can claim southern comfort.

#43 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-11-28 03:01 AM | Reply

Actually, BERKY, I'm more interested in Bloomberg's game plan. And not for any of the usual reasons that worry the current crop of Dems.

#44 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-11-28 03:13 AM | Reply

Bootyjudge is oozing something, but it isn't personality, TWIN.

#45 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-11-28 03:26 AM | Reply

BERKY

Yeah, foreign policy inexperience which is the primary source of nearly all unfettered presidential power.

Candidate of both parties run almost exclusively on domestic policy. There's scant talk about foreign policy which happens to be the most important of all a president's jobs.

Biden is the only candidate that can pass that test.

#46 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-11-28 04:51 AM | Reply

BERKY

"Biden is the only candidate that can pass that test."

Nor Warren either. She dropped her "Medicare For All" A-Bomb on the public like the Enola Gay over Hiroshima with a 10-yer projection of paying for itself.

Who in the hell knows where this country is going to be 10 years from now? And why would they give up their Obamacare for such a sketchy projection. Not me!

I liked her but I had to scratch her off my list over that -----.

#47 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-11-28 05:32 AM | Reply

Worse, projection based off a debunked study that cherry picked a favorable dataset and was killed in peer review by MIT.

#48 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-11-28 08:38 AM | Reply

Comments are closed for this entry.

Home | Breaking News | Comments | User Blogs | Stats | Back Page | RSS Feed | RSS Spec | DMCA Compliance | Privacy | Copyright 2019 World Readable

Drudge Retort