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Presidential historian Douglas Brinkley on Friday predicted that public support for President Trump will collapse as House Democrats continue their impeachment inquiry against him. "It just tells you what deep trouble Donald Trump is in. I mean, when you have 50 percent of the country wanting you not just impeached but removed from office, and the game hasn't even gotten fast yet," Brinkley said Friday morning on CNN, where he serves as a contributor.

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Historical precedents dont mean crap in the era of fox news. Nixon would have kept his support if he had fox news telling the country that watergate was a fake democrat hoax. That's precisely what inspired roger ailes to create fox news - his goal was to create a lie machine that would allow repubs to do whatever they want without accoutability.

In the era of fox news, Dubya got re-elected AFTER he lied the nation in to a totally unnecessary 5 trillion dollar war.

#1 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-11-30 06:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Historical precedents dont mean crap in the era of fox news.

Probably the biggest lesson learned in the Trump era.

Normal means nothing anymore. Expecting things to occur as past incidences have occurred is not acknowledging the massive shift Trump has wrought.

#2 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-30 06:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The Donald could shoot a Presidential historian dead on 5th Ave and not lose any votes among the Base.

But he has or will have lost enough indies to matter.

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-30 06:37 PM | Reply

Presidential historian Douglas Brinkley on Friday predicted that public support for President Trump will collapse as House Democrats continue their impeachment inquiry against him.

That is the plan ... keep kicking the can down the road to nowhere.

Probably the biggest lesson learned in the Trump era.

Nah, the biggest lesson learned is there will never be another GOP President without Liberals going all in on CivilWar.

Trump has brought to the forefront the real character of Liberals and Progressives, and it aint pretty.
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#4 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-30 07:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

Absurdest melodramatics from Mattress, who forgets the GOP Sen declaring Obama's policies DOA, no matter what, right after his election.

But then, Mattress was paid the big tax cut bucks for his inanities.

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-30 07:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

We're you dropped on your head as a baby? A lot? You R's, Russians, were and still treat President Obama like he was satan himself. Orange dotard himself owes his whole rise to power on nastiness. Give it a rest snowflake!

#6 | Posted by zelkova at 2019-11-30 07:09 PM | Reply

We're you dropped on your head as a baby?
#6 | POSTED BY ZELKOVA

You funny ....

You R's, Russians, were and still treat President Obama like he was satan himself.

I would never treat Obama as Satan, I reserve that right for Hillary.

From day one, it was clear from day one, the Liberals were going to try "impeach" Trump, he hadn't even been sworn in.

who forgets the GOP Sen declaring Obama's policies DOA

LOL, this is nothing but posturing, Democrats said the same thing to Trump, Bush's, I wouldn't hold that against anyone, and Zelkova talks about Snowflakes.

If this is all you got Corky .. you should put a cork in it.

#7 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-11-30 07:24 PM | Reply

the biggest lesson learned is there will never be another GOP President without Liberals going all in on CivilWar.

If you're looking for a civil war, you should consult Boaz. He's prepped and ready.

As for "the biggest lesson learned", it's that conservatives will never win the popular vote, ever again.

But. It's no worry. They've got the EC locked up through sheer voter suppression and intimidation.

#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-11-30 07:38 PM | Reply

- nothing but posturing, Democrats said the same thing to Trump

No, actually they did not, dummy. Your Party of No started the war.

swampland.time.com

Party of No Patriotism, more like.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2019-11-30 08:01 PM | Reply

From day one, it was clear from day one, the Liberals were going to try "impeach" Trump, he hadn't even been sworn in.

Every President should be clear on day 1, that if he or she breaks the law, the impeachment hounds will be set upon them.

If not this President, then no President ever will be.

#10 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2019-11-30 09:55 PM | Reply

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Nah, the biggest lesson learned is there will never be another GOP President without Liberals going all in on CivilWar.

Elect another obviously corrupt, grifting conman and yeah, there will be problems.

Trump has brought to the forefront the real character of Liberals and Progressives, and it aint pretty.

#4 | Posted by AndreaMackris

As usual your lack of awareness leads you to project. Massively.

#11 | Posted by jpw at 2019-11-30 10:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Not to be sarcastic or flip about it, but of course support for Trump will collapse. He is a horrible human being. The only reason so many GOPhers continue to support him at this point is because they have no choice. They would rather have a horrible, corrupt, incompetent, dishonest man in the Oval Office with an (R) after his name, than any Democrat. Nobody supports him because they genuinely think he is a decent human being or leader.

#12 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-11-30 10:20 PM | Reply

Not to be sarcastic or flip about it, but of course support for Trump will collapse. He is a horrible human being. The only reason so many GOPhers continue to support him at this point is because they have no choice. They would rather have a horrible, corrupt, incompetent, dishonest man in the Oval Office with an (R) after his name, than any Democrat. Nobody supports him because they genuinely think he is a decent human being or leader.

#13 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-11-30 10:20 PM | Reply

Remember when they said the only qualifications they needed in a POTUS was the ability to sign his name to their legislation? That the (Republican) Congress can run the country. That's why they support him. He doesn't even understand most of the legislation that they pass.

#14 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-11-30 11:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

For anyone thinking conservative are going to abandon Trump, that his support will suddenly collapse.

I read this a few days ago and I believe it's pretty spot on.

I grew up in rural, small-town America " and I can tell you the real reason why people love Donald Trump

www.independent.co.uk


#15 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-12-01 02:23 AM | Reply

Great piece, clown.

You should make a thread for it.

Because it's spot on.

Which is all the more sad because Trump is anything but one of them and never has been one of them.

Angry, bitter people who irrationally support one of the people who made their lives the way they are.

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-01 10:20 AM | Reply

"Rural America supports Trump because they believe that urban elites hate him " and they believe that urban elites hate them, too. And I don't think they'll turn on him in significant numbers until they stop seeing him as one of their own."

above is from Clown's link in 15.

they're right...urban elites DO hate them. Look at the way they are talked about....just in the posts from Clown and JPW right on this thread.

Rural voters see JPW, for example, as their enemy. Not Joe Biden, or Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders....instead, they believe JPW and Clownshack are the enemy...and you can understand why. Who attacks the rural voters? Not the leading democrats in the field....its the JPWs and the Clowns that are attacking them.

But it's because of the anger and bitterness from those guys that those rural voters are turned off by the democratic field. I'm talking about rural voters who aren't happy with Trump and would consider voting against him....and specifically in the swing states.

IOW, one of the largest obstacles we have to navigate in order to get rid of Trump are folks like JPW and Clown. Their anger, bitterness, and vitriol are ensuring those voters are pulling the lever for Trump come next time.

Because they, like everyone else, do not like being insulted by self-appointed elitists.

#17 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-01 10:44 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#17 | Posted by eberly Is the damn Yankee a nice guy? Hell no! But at that rarefied level of power, nice guys finish last. Trump likes to fight, like a pig, you can try to pull him on his back, but you will just get dirty and the pig will enjoy it. When and if the Articles Of Impeachment hit the Senate floor, it is a whole new ball game. The POTUS teem can cross examine witnesses, and introduce exculpatory evidence.
I seriously doubt that Trump felt very threatened by a Biden candidacy, because we are talking about Biden, ol'footinmouth himself. Seriously he is pathetic. He should have been in assisted care years ago. The rest of the clown car of candidates are so weak, Bloomberg jumped in to save the DNC.

#18 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-12-01 11:09 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Trump has brought to the forefront the real character of Liberals and Progressives, and it aint pretty."

Now that's some world-class projection.

#19 | Posted by contrecoup at 2019-12-01 11:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It is depressing the feeling of being excluded from association with the elite and Donald has suffered this pariah status more keenly than anyone.

#20 | Posted by grumpy_too at 2019-12-01 11:23 AM | Reply

--IOW, one of the largest obstacles we have to navigate in order to get rid of Trump are folks like JPW and Clown. Their anger, bitterness, and vitriol are ensuring those voters are pulling the lever for Trump come next time.

The GOP ought to recruit volunteers to repost the blue bubbleheads' hate on swing-state blogs. Every voter should know what Californians really think of them.

#21 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-12-01 11:38 AM | Reply

#17 | Posted by eberly

Jesus wept.

With tears of irony.

#22 | Posted by Angrydad at 2019-12-01 12:06 PM | Reply

#17 LOL I grew up in a small rural town.

I'm the "smart aleck" who left.

And what about my description was inaccurate? That they're bitter angry people or that they're stupidly supporting a man who is exactly what they hate?

#23 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-01 03:48 PM | Reply

Because they, like everyone else, do not like being insulted by self-appointed elitists.

Sorry I'm smarter than them, cupcake.

But thems the truth?

Sorry you feel inadequate enough to be all defensive.

Also, if my pointing out the inconsistencies and absurdities in their worldview makes me a "self-appointee elitist" then so be it.

And if you can't see those inconsistencies and absurdities then I see why your reflex is to be defensive.

#24 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-01 03:53 PM | Reply

Normal means nothing anymore. Expecting things to occur as past incidences have occurred is not acknowledging the massive shift Trump has wrought.

#2 | Posted by jpw

The massive shift didn't come from trump. It came from fox news. Trump is the RESULT of the fox news shift against facts and reality.

This is what biden is so delusional about. He thinks trump is the problem and things can go back to normal after trump. As long as fox news is in rupert murdoch's hands, this fascist moronic uprising IS the new normal.

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-12-01 04:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump has brought to the forefront the real character of Liberals and Progressives, and it aint pretty.
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#4 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Trump has revealed the true character of repubs - all their concerns about ethics, family values, and the deficit were lies. The only thing they really believe in is tax cuts.

By opposing trump, dems have proven they have a million times better character than any repub.

#26 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-12-01 04:14 PM | Reply

The GOP ought to recruit volunteers to repost the blue bubbleheads' hate on swing-state blogs. Every voter should know what Californians really think of them.

#21 | Posted by nullifidian

You think there's something wrong with having bad thoughts about fascists, racists, and morons?

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-12-01 04:15 PM | Reply

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly, Oh, you mean anyone who disagrees with you about anything?

#28 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-12-01 05:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Oh, you mean anyone who disagrees with you about anything?

#28 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

Only fascists, racists and morons whine that it's merely a disagreement.

#29 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-01 05:31 PM | Reply

"Sorry I'm smarter than them, cupcake."

So you found someone you're smarter than?

Congrats!!!

Now, get over it and try not act superior and rub ---- in the face of people you want something from.

You realize that, right? You're bragging you're smarter than folks you want to either stay home on Election Day or be convinced to vote against trump.

But because they can't stand you, they are a lock to show up and vote for trump.

#30 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-01 06:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Sorry you feel inadequate"

About what? You know I didn't vote for trump and won't next time.

I'm the one in this exchange who is trying to ensure his loss.

You're trying to help him and I'm trying to shut you up so trump loses. Every time you open your mouth, you help him.

I know you don't understand that even though you're really......smart.

#31 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-01 06:42 PM | Reply

"You think there's something wrong with having bad thoughts about fascists, racists, and morons?"

Just keep it to yourself. Have the bad thoughts. Just STFU

#32 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-01 06:45 PM | Reply

"The GOP ought to recruit volunteers to repost the blue bubbleheads' hate on swing-state blogs. Every voter should know what Californians really think of them."

Ought?

It's a certainty they will do it.

#33 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-01 06:46 PM | Reply

It's interesting that the blue collar folks that JPW and Clown are berating used to be reliable Dem voters.

Ebs is spot-on. Oh, and just because these people work with their hands doesn't mean that some of them aren't smart.

#34 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-01 07:02 PM | Reply

I'll make a prediction, Trump will win in November, and I'll lay odds that he will be assassinated within the year.
War children, it's just a shot away, it's just a shot away...
rolling stones, gimme shelter

#35 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-12-01 07:17 PM | Reply

urban elites DO hate them. Look at the way they are talked about....just in the posts from Clown and JPW right on this thread.
#17 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Right on this thread?

Why do you always knee jerk when you see something posted by me. It's like you lose your mind.

Okay. I have two prior posts on this thread. One is a link to the article, which you appear to agree with. And the other is about popular vote vs the EC and how the Republican Party has the EC pretty much locked up.

Perhaps you can point out the mean things I wrote.

As for the rest of your post. About people in middle America voting for Trump because I'm mean. If that's the case, and I'm not disagreeing or agreeing, then they're morons who would cut off their nose to spite their face. Voting for Trump in order to punish liberals, even at your own peril, is the definition to stupidity.

Also. We're in a political forum where people come to discuss politics and this is the DR, where we come to call each other morons and argue. If you think anyone from the DR goes out into the real world and starts verbally attacking others. You're mistaken.

PS: I hope you see the irony of you statement, "they, like everyone else, do not like being insulted by self-appointed elitists."

#36 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-12-01 07:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's interesting that the blue collar folks that JPW and Clown are berating used to be reliable Dem voters.
Ebs is spot-on. Oh, and just because these people work with their hands doesn't mean that some of them aren't smart.
#34 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Where on this thread am I berating anyone? Did you simply read Eberly's post and run in to agree?

When have you, Mr Partyline Republican voter, ever give a damn about blue collar folks who vote Democratic? Save your concern trolling for someone else.

#37 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-12-01 07:25 PM | Reply

But because they can't stand you, they are a lock to show up and vote for trump.

#30 | Posted by eberly

Oh please. I'm flattered but I hardly doubt they'd give a flying schit about what I say.

Their decisions are made by things far more ingrained than anything I could touch.

I know you don't understand that even though you're really......smart.

#31 | Posted by eberly

Because what you're saying is pretty dumb.

As I mentioned I grew up in a small town. I have plenty of family and friends who support Trump for many of the reasons listed in that column.

And that feeling of helpless bitterness drives them to vote for Trump far stronger than I possibly could.

#38 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-01 07:34 PM | Reply

Ebs is spot-on. Oh, and just because these people work with their hands doesn't mean that some of them aren't smart.

#34 | Posted by JeffJ

Nice assumption.

Because it's clearly not based on any statement of mine.

#39 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-01 07:35 PM | Reply

I'm flattered but I hardly doubt they'd give a flying schit about what I say.

Oy. Nice screen door on a battleship moment for me.

#40 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-01 07:38 PM | Reply

gimme shelter

#35 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

After November 2020 you will need it.

Cause you ain't getting no satisfaction...

And Democrats will not get what they want,

But, we will all get what they need.

#41 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-12-01 07:57 PM | Reply

"...a growing body of research has found that support for trump is fueled almost entirely by hatred for out-groups..."

- from the Independent

Excuse me for my lack of charity and hatefulness toward them but it's what they got coming. Politically we might pull in some female voters from the group who can see what dummies their men are.

To repeat: support for trump is fueled by hatred. Those haters were hating those with an education long before even old Eb came along.

#42 | Posted by grumpy_too at 2019-12-01 07:59 PM | Reply

"Every voter should know what Californians really think of them."

Who speaks for all them Californians?

You have no idea what ALL Californians think. You don't even know what most Californians think. You only know what someone tells you they think.

Because it's obvious you cannot think for yourself anymore. Blogs don't tell you what Californians think. Californians are a diverse peoples.

Diversity is a power all unto itself. Something red states should learn about. It gives us a wealth of knowledge and wisdom and manpower to draw upon.

I can tell you what I think of a Trump voter but that is only the perspective of one of 18.2 million Californian voters.

But what Californians think IS important being as how there are more of them than the population of all but three other U.S. states "Texas, Florida, and New York!

I will tell you this much. Many of us are saddened disgusted by the behavior of this President and his supporters. They are called Deplorables because no other word fits so perfectly.

Deplorables is now the new "N" word for Republicans. I expect it to be a banned word soon because it hurts their whittle feelings when them elite liberals ( I love being called elite! ) please close on them.

Deplorables have become so deplorable we will need a new word soon anyway.

And we don't want to use that "D" word too much and hurt their feelings because they might get mad and lock up more children to pwn them Liberals! Or pardon war criminals. Or suddenly decide to release thousands of ISIS fighters back into the wild. Or he might even use his Magic Sharpie again!

SACRAMENTO " A record 18,251,826 Californians are registered to vote Secretary of State Alex Padilla reported today. California's record breaking 18.2 million registered voters is greater than the population of all but three other U.S. states"Texas, Florida, and New York. The report is a compilation of voter registration numbers reported by California's 58 county elections offices. This report reflects registration data as of September 9, 2016, andregistration continues to surge.

www.sos.ca.gov

Ignore or disparage Californians at you own risk.

Donnerboy the Elite

#43 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-12-01 08:21 PM | Reply

TL;DR

#44 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-12-01 08:24 PM | Reply

TL;DR

#44 | Posted by nullifidian

Translation: I just got B slapped for my stupid drive by post.

#45 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-01 08:27 PM | Reply

I don't know if you can call this a prediction or not but . . . during the Watergate impeachment of Nixon it was stated that Abuse of Power is an evolutionary tale guaranteed to repeat itself in perpetuity and on increasingly grander scales.

It must be true because this one went international and makes Nixon look like a piker.

Nixon and Trump also have similar fatal characteristics: Both thought of themselves as "Imperial" presidents (above the law) . . . both have a dislocation with the truth . . . both are insecure and paranoid . . . both have an insatiable need for revenge. . . both used vile language in private.

I don't believe Trump ever called Jews c---s---ers but it's early yet. He'll think of somebody.

#46 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-12-02 04:03 AM | Reply

To make impeachment resonate, the Congress needs to focus on a number of things that the average working American cares about, like supporting Russia's efforts to weaken NATO and the West's efforts to collaborate against Putin's disruptions and war on former Soviet satellites; his collaboration with MBS's cover-up of the brutal murder and dismemberment of a Washington Post journalist, and, if it can be proved, Trump's profiting from "see-throughs" renting rooms in his resorts or buying his condos that might be linked to buying influence.

Weakenig America's national security position always resonates. Trump's hatred of the press might give him unwarranted cover, but helping Arabia cover up state sponsored murder of a US journalist might be too much. Being a big business owner might sound impressive, but being caught as a self-dealing public servant profiting from his public service duties might be too much.

#47 | Posted by Augustine at 2019-12-02 09:40 AM | Reply

White identity politics is a powerful drug.

#48 | Posted by fresno500 at 2019-12-02 10:37 AM | Reply

Nixon and Trump also have similar fatal characteristics: Both thought of themselves as "Imperial" presidents (above the law) . . . both have a dislocation with the truth . . . both are insecure and paranoid . . . both have an insatiable need for revenge. . . both used vile language in private. - #46 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-12-02 04:03 AM
Both gonna win 2 terms?

#49 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-12-02 10:56 AM | Reply

"Blogs don't tell you what Californians think."

Of course not, anymore than what what blogs tell you what Alabamans think.

But blogs are used by the GOP to convince voters in swing states what they want...and they want voters in swing states to believe Californians despise them.

Pretty easy to sell that based on what gets posted.....

#50 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-02 11:24 AM | Reply

" but being caught as a self-dealing public servant profiting from his public service duties might be too much."

Screamed Hunter Biden... Joe just shrugged..."Meh, it's a job"

#51 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-12-02 11:59 AM | Reply

See, no worries as Trump's support will collapse, sleep well as you have 2020 in the bag................

#52 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-12-02 01:05 PM | Reply

They need 2/3 of the Senate to remove. Gonna need about 2/3 support of the general population to removal to get POTUS out. Hope that will be forthcoming, though the Intel Committee hearings did not get it close to that. Nadler should be able to sway the hearts and minds.

#53 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2019-12-02 02:37 PM | Reply

Nobody supports him because they genuinely think he is a decent human being or leader.
#13 | Posted by moder8

Wrong.

#54 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-12-02 02:42 PM | Reply

#54: Name one person who genuinely thinks Trump is a decent human being or leader. Other than a liar, a hack or a developmentally disabled person, nobody would say that at this point.

#55 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-12-02 05:47 PM | Reply

"#54: Name one person who genuinely thinks Trump is a decent human being or leader."

They get around that by saying great leaders don't have to be decent people.

They find Trump's indecency a hearty antidote to PC culture run amok.

Like with the child separation policy: the cruelty is the point, and they like it.

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-02 06:13 PM | Reply

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