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Sunday, December 01, 2019

For many in rural America, it's downright logical to deny objective reality on any particular issue. Supporting a Democrat might mean a better standard of living in some ways. But, it will also come at a personal cost.

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It will surprise no one who has lived in rural America, or pays attention to Trump's tweets, that Trump voters are more likely to believe conspiracy theories. Institutions like science, education and government are run, after all, by liberals. Many Americans will see a story in the newspaper as less trustworthy than the meme or obvious hoax site shared by someone they know.

Add to the equation a steady diet of fringe media with no accountability itself and you have a rural population that largely believes Trump is no more guilty of corruption than the Clintons, the Obamas, the Bushes, or anyone else. The perception is that he is just being given a hard time because he happens to be one of them.

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I read this article about a week ago. I really liked it and posted it on a different thread.

Both JPW and Eberly agree with its premise, and at a suggestion by JPW, I have decided to make it a thread.

I feel like it's a pretty unbiased, even handed analysis of why people, who don't have a good reason to, support Trump.

#1 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-12-01 09:32 PM | Reply

FTA:

Between 2008 and 2017, 99 per cent of America's job and population growth was in metropolitan areas. Rural Americans are being left behind.

So, when those rural Americans not coming up with ways to make their own problems worse, they're looking for out-groups to blame. Like the minorities who live in those thriving urban centers, and have an increasingly equitable share of power in Washington, DC. Rural voters are far more likely to believe that black and Latinx people are abusing government assistance programs, for example. The racist resentment is vast, and a growing body of research has found that support for Trump is fueled almost entirely by hatred of out-groups: In 2016, the strongest predictors of Trump support were bigotry and lack of education.

All of this is coded in political language, of course " which is why simply being female, or a person of color, is enough for voters to view a candidate as more left-of-center than their actual policy positions. To far too many, the word "liberal" has become a slur for anyone who doesn't look like them.

If you asked rural Americans how they felt about people of any particular minority group, most would pride themselves on having an unassuming, open-minded acceptance. And, for the most part, that is true on a personal level. But, to them, racism is a Klansman in a movie. It isn't a contemporary power structure, or an implicit bias that gets black teenagers killed. They don't see that. They can, on the other hand, see themselves struggling. They just very earnestly do not get it. The minorities they do know are " like that little girl in my third grade class " pressured to fit in, to stay quiet. They're not talking much about racism.

#2 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-12-01 09:34 PM | Reply

The article accurately assesses the Trump paradox.

#3 | Posted by Angrydad at 2019-12-01 11:10 PM | Reply

"Between 2008 and 2017, 99 per cent of America's job and population growth was in metropolitan areas."

I don't know why this is cited as some 'win'. Basically, the cities are importing slave labor from the 3rd world along with some rural relocation. This shows 'progress' in that sense that things get bigger, but this does not mean they are getting 'better'. You see this in Detroit - the true URBAN area is a hollowed out hellscape. The SUBURBS are great. Same goes with St. Louis, Milwaukee, Chicago, Baltimore, etc. These suburban voters aren't the solid liberal block of woke, economically advantaged voters the authors of this article seem to think they are. The solid BLUE areas are the hollowed out hellscapes. You see this in CA will a growing population lacked by the destruction of the middle class and the highest poverty and homelessness rates in the nation - that's progress?

"But, to them, racism is a Klansman in a movie."

How many of these Black Lives Matters police shootings happened in rural America? They happen in big cities - they happen in the more affluent suburbs - but they aren't happening in rural Alabama - yet, you Liberals cry racism at those rural folks. You are the embodiment of the fake-woke culture. You love the idea of diversity - then put up walls around your subdivisions to ensure it does not actually happen to where you live. You love the immigrants - as long as you don't have to live near them or have your school destroyed by them.

#4 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-12-02 12:49 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Left is a 4-letter word..

#5 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2019-12-02 12:55 AM | Reply

This is coming from people that have been running around screaming

Russians Russians Russians
Racist Racist Racist.
Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine.

For 3 yrs ...

Its hilarious watching the bigot ClownShack with his gay bashing jokes complain about middle America.

Many Americans will see a story in the newspaper as less trustworthy than the meme or obvious hoax site shared by someone they know.

Well the media/newspapers have become worse than NationalEnquirer back in the 90s.

Seems like Americans are pretty darn intelligent. Just calling it like they see it.

#6 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-12-02 01:08 AM | Reply | Funny: 3

Ok so who is mackris' real handle?

Because I'm starting to believe mackris is somebody's attempt at a Bradford Winstonesque saut account.

#7 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-02 08:08 AM | Reply

Rural America supports Trump because they believe that urban elites hate him " and they believe that urban elites hate them, too. And I don't think they'll turn on him in significant numbers until they stop seeing him as one of their own.

The irony being Trump isn't one of them, he does actually hate them and his policies are not in any way geared to help them.

Only his rhetoric is meant for them, and it's disingenuous populism meant to gain support from rubes who are too irrationally bitter and angry to see they're being used.

I guess seeing that bigger picture makes me a "self-appointed elitist". Oh well.

#8 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-02 08:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

He is an actor playing a part... Trump saw how Fox and other "news" outlets distorted what middle America sees and thinks and the opportunity to take advantage.
He was a Democrat before running for president.

#9 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2019-12-02 09:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

jpw- mackris is really that dumb, has been for more than a decade.

seriously, you'd have to be an absolute moron to admit being a trust fund kid to this crowd, and he did.

#10 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-12-02 09:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" Seems like Americans are pretty darn intelligent."

most americans can't find a country we're at war with on a map of the world.

#11 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-12-02 09:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

mackris is really that dumb, has been for more than a decade.

No no much longer ...

seriously, you'd have to be an absolute moron to admit being a trust fund kid to this crowd, and he did.

Why? You sound jelly.

most americans can't find a country we're at war with on a map of the world.

I can imagine given how many countries Obama bombed.

#12 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-12-02 12:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

most americans can't find a country we're at war with on a map of the world.

POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2019-12-02 09:30 AM | REPLY

It's a disgrace that they can't find the United States on a map.

#13 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-12-02 12:30 PM | Reply

I can imagine given how many countries Obama bombed.
#12 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

You guys loved that sort of thing until the black guy did it.

#14 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-02 12:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Exit polls of Trump voters showed that most of them were not opposed to a stronger social safety net in general, including health care and access to college... as long as those things did not support minorities.

That is, they were and are more interested in keeping their own privileged position in society compared to minorities than they are in helping what they see as their adversaries.

People like Mackris, otoh, are deliriously happy to donate to legislators who write laws for their benefit and Presidents who advocate tax breaks for himself first, which includes them, too.

The Big Lie that Trump is one with the working man is one of the biggest lies since the term was coined.

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2019-12-02 01:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

"Between 2008 and 2017, 99 per cent of America's job and population growth was in metropolitan areas."

I don't know why this is cited as some 'win'.

It's cited as a loss, failure, for the Democratic Party.

As for the rest of your post, it reads like you didn't understand the article. Perhaps give it another read through.

Here's a hint, it wasn't calling conservatives racists. It was suggesting they overlook systemic racism in America.

Either way. Why post when you got nothing but ranting and raving?

#16 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-12-02 01:36 PM | Reply

Its hilarious watching the bigot ClownShack with his gay bashing jokes complain about middle America.

I'm so happy you've hitched your horse to this wagon. It's possibly the greatest thing ever.

It personifies you. Clueless, angry, desperate. Spreading lies based on a statement you're purposefully taking way out of context.

The irony of your statement is lost on you.

So. Please. Keep being you. It's incredibly gratifying.

#17 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-12-02 01:41 PM | Reply

#15 FLAGGED FUNNY BY NULLIFIDIAN

No mas argument Trollifidian thinks that white nationalist racism is funny, especially when it is used by the 1 percent to divide the nation... as if that weren't already obvious.

#18 | Posted by Corky at 2019-12-02 01:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

- FUNNY: 1

All a troll has.....

#19 | Posted by Corky at 2019-12-02 03:04 PM | Reply

Trump, like Brexit, is fueled by xenophobia.

There is no marriage as stable and enduring as that of ignorance and certitude.

#20 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-12-02 05:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

As seen on the internets:

"Imagine being so stupid that you look at this treasonous, traitorous, totally corrupt, self-serving, ignorant clown, this racist, semi-literate moron, this sexually assaulting, pathologically lying, feeble-minded, morally corrupt, constitutionally-illiterate simpleton, this bloated nitwit with his cotton candy hair, radioactive tinted skin and obese dishevelment, and think, "Now that is a guy I really admire".

Or better yet, "Now that is a guy chosen by God to save us!"

#21 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-12-02 06:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Seen on the internet indeed.

Imagine being so stupid as to think that stringing together every epithet in your high-school vocabulary is interesting, clever, or witty.

This is what the internet has wrought: Imbeciles who think a smartphone makes them smart.

#22 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-12-02 06:18 PM | Reply

Do you thank Capitalism for the Internet, or DoD?

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-02 06:22 PM | Reply

Trump, like Brexit, is fueled by xenophobia.

But Trumpublicans don't see their xenophobia as racist.

It's excused by nationalism and used to blame for unemployment and the poor.

They can't see how it's all in the hands of the rich.

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-12-02 06:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Whatever happened to the really great acid-tongues, from Mencken to Addison DeWitt to Don Rickles?

#25 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-12-02 06:24 PM | Reply

"Imagine being so stupid as to think that stringing together every epithet in your high-school vocabulary is interesting, clever, or witty.
This is what the internet has wrought: Imbeciles who think a smartphone makes them smart."

True:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
12 minutes ago

Mini Mike Bloomberg has instructed his third rate news organization not to investigate him or any Democrat, but to go after President Trump, only. The Failing New York Times thinks that is O.K., because their hatred & bias is so great they can't even see straight. It's not O.K.!

#26 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-12-02 06:25 PM | Reply

"Imbeciles who think a smartphone makes them smart."

Speaking of imbeciles, tell us again how you're foursquare against increasing our reliance on China, but you support the tax giveaway of $2.3 Trillion.

Use your smartphone if needed.

#27 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-02 06:43 PM | Reply

"Whatever happened to the really great acid-tongues, from Mencken to Addison DeWitt to Don Rickles?"

Just for you, Nulli, in a previous life:

Rick Wilson @TheRickWilson

This dog is named "Loofah."

twitter.com

LOL

#28 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-12-02 06:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

This is what the internet has wrought: Imbeciles who think a smartphone makes them smart.

#22 | Posted by nullifidian

What's your excuse?

#29 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-02 07:09 PM | Reply

"Whatever happened to the really great acid-tongues, from Mencken to Addison DeWitt to Don Rickles?"

It's just you now.
Happy extinction!

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-02 09:52 PM | Reply

The real reason why people love Donald Trump

Democrats better figure this out and campaign on some of these underlying issues.

#31 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-03 11:49 AM | Reply

Democrats better figure this out and campaign on some of these underlying issues.

Bernie and Warren are. Which scares the hell out of the rich.

The rest of the flock seem to be banking on "I'm not Trump."

Which will guarantee a Trump victory.

#32 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-12-03 02:13 PM | Reply

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