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Tuesday, December 03, 2019

Chris Cillizza: Less than two months ago, it looked as though Elizabeth Warren might just run away with the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination.

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I suspect that Warren's polling problems arise from the fact that she shares MforAll with several other candidates. If you add up the numbers of all candidates who support it, which eventually will happen either for her or for Bernie then she will have more support than Biden who is, IMHO, our weakest possible candidate to go up against Trump, who stands for nothing, who is owned by the banks and insurance companies.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2019-12-03 10:34 AM | Reply

It's not M4A. On October 21st, she released her education plan. #PublicSchoolProud. "We must stop the privatization of public schools." On October 28th the NY Post found her kids private school yearbook pictures. On November 21st her Atlanta rally was interrupted by black women from Powerful Parent Network, a pro-charter school group. Warren, showing real leadership, spent about 20 minutes talking to the protesters. Like the DNA check, in hindsight it didn't go so well. She promptly stuck her foot in her mouth during that on two big points, admitting to legislative failure and misleading people about sending one of her own children to a $40k/yr private school which was debunked the very next day. School choice is very popular among the minority voters in the Democrat base, and trying to abolish what you sent your own child to has very bad optics.

#2 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-12-03 10:47 AM | Reply

Since then she's down 14 points in polls and way down in all of the prediction engines. Pete is on the rise mostly now. He's okay with charter schools.

#3 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-12-03 10:49 AM | Reply

Right this very moment in Houston, some Democrats are actively putting their careers on the line to push for school choice for Fifth Ward. They are being opposed by the teachers unions and city bureaucracy. What is at stake is all of HISD. A bi-partisan law passed in 2015 allows the State of Texas the ability to force a school district to shutter any school that has failed for 5 straight years, or have the entire district taken over by the state.

#4 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-12-03 10:52 AM | Reply

What is happening with Elizabeth Warren?
Reality is exerting itself as more people begin paying attention to the race.

#5 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-12-03 10:53 AM | Reply

She is as bad as hiltabeast. She was the originator of 'you didn't make that'.

#6 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-12-03 01:42 PM | Reply

What is your specific problem with pointing out that small business owners didn't make the roads on which they ship their goods?

#7 | Posted by dylanfan at 2019-12-03 01:46 PM | Reply

Once you go over your small business taxes, it comes off as very insulting.

#8 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-12-03 01:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#8 - I think that's a reasonable response. Generally when I see someone pull out the "you didn't build that" line, it's used in a way that demonstrates zero understanding of the original context.

#9 | Posted by dylanfan at 2019-12-03 02:02 PM | Reply

I don't think she helped herself when she claimed, over and over, that her M4A plan wouldn't necessitate a tax increase on the middle class.

She's shown some serial dishonesty regarding her own personal past and some other issues. It's dragging her down.

#10 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-03 02:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

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Once you go over your small business taxes, it comes off as very insulting.

#8 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG AT 2019-12-03 01:53 PM | FLAG:

Funny how that business succeeded in America though. Pay taxes to Ecuador and you'll pay less. Happier now? Feel more respected? Now go ride your donkey home and eat rice.

#11 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-12-03 04:07 PM | Reply

#9 part of her problem is trying to sell people on a tax increase. Parsing it with promises it saves money doesnt translate. Worse, it's based on bad data science debunked by MIT peer review, pushed by advisers selling books on it.

#12 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-12-03 04:09 PM | Reply

Now go ride your donkey home and eat rice.

#11 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER AT 2019-12-03 04:07 PM | REPLY

Comically racist.

I'd pay more in Ecuador though.

#13 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-12-03 04:40 PM | Reply

You know what I'm trying to say. Throwing down a racism card is pretty weak. Poor countries ride animals and eat rice because that's what they can afford. It's not racist to say that.

#14 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-12-03 05:10 PM | Reply

-Throwing down a racism card is pretty weak.

it usually is....especially when you're doing it.

what irony......

#15 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-03 05:28 PM | Reply

I don't think she helped herself when she claimed, over and over, that her M4A plan wouldn't necessitate a tax increase on the middle class.

She's shown some serial dishonesty regarding her own personal past and some other issues. It's dragging her down.

#10 | Posted by JeffJ

I think all of that along with the Pocahontas nonsense painted her as disingenuous; a carefully crafted facade.

For better or for worse, Trump is Trump.

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-03 05:30 PM | Reply

Yeah. EW's star is certainly not maintaining it's shine. Disappointing. Now is when we get to see whether she has the political chops to blow fresh life into that campaign. I am skeptical.

#17 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-12-03 06:57 PM | Reply

"EW's star is certainly not maintaining it's shine."

M4A and the call for elimination of private insurance was her death knell; those folks hard-charging for M4A should take note.

If you want eventual M4A, start with a Public Option.

#18 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-03 07:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You know what I'm trying to say.

#14 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER AT 2019-12-03 05:10 PM | REPLY

Yes, you're saying their country is a ---- hole filled with rice eating donkey riders, and seem to be saying I should go there if I don't like the tax rates here. Their tax rates are higher though, despite the fact I enjoy arroz con pollo and I'm not afraid to ride a donkey.

#19 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-12-03 07:11 PM | Reply

DANFORTH @ #18

"If you want eventual M4A, start with a Public Option."

That's what turned me off. That and her 10 year projection. Who knows where we'll be in 10 years and or if another trumpskin will weasel his way into office and leave us all up a creek.

I don't like having all our eggs in one basket like that. Too risky.

#20 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-12-03 07:30 PM | Reply

what irony......

#15 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2019-12-03 05:28 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

You need to ask Santa for a dictionary this Christmas, son.

#21 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-12-03 07:39 PM | Reply

Yes, you're saying their country is a ---- hole filled with rice eating donkey riders, and seem to be saying I should go there if I don't like the tax rates here. Their tax rates are higher though, despite the fact I enjoy arroz con pollo and I'm not afraid to ride a donkey.

#19 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG AT 2019-12-03 07:11 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Oh yeah? Then go somewhere else. You won't have to resent America so much.

#22 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-12-03 07:47 PM | Reply

"M4A and the call for elimination of private insurance was her death knell; those folks hard-charging for M4A should take note."

The Democratic primary pushes candidates to go very far to the left.

Of course M4A is absurd without a bridge to get there but the idea is so appealing.

Is there any evidence her support has dropped because of her M4A idea?

#23 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-03 07:54 PM | Reply

"Is there any evidence her support has dropped because of her M4A idea?"

Other that what changed from before, to after?

#24 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-03 08:02 PM | Reply

"Yes, you're saying their country is a ---- hole..."

Wait...is saying that a BAD thing now?

#25 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-03 08:03 PM | Reply

-Wait...is saying that a BAD thing now?

Not if Bruthe says it.

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I don't know.

#26 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-03 08:06 PM | Reply

"Of course M4A is absurd without a bridge to get there..."

Agreed.

"... but the idea is so appealing."

Not to realists.

Speaking of...you, of all folks, probably have a realistic answer: at what percentile of coverage would you peg Medicare?

I'm not trying to ask a trick question; in fact, I'll answer first: I'd peg it somewhere around 67%, plus or minus 5%. You?

#27 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-03 08:08 PM | Reply

#22 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER AT 2019-12-03 07:47 PM | REPLY

So casual racism and bland nativism. You're usually better than that.

#28 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-12-03 08:11 PM | Reply

--You're usually better than that.

Citation needed.

#29 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-12-03 08:18 PM | Reply

Sure. Just dance around what you said and I called you on. Calling me a bigot is your out.

#30 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-12-03 08:29 PM | Reply

"Speaking of...you, of all folks, probably have a realistic answer: at what percentile of coverage would you peg Medicare? "

What do you mean exactly?

#31 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-03 08:55 PM | Reply

-So casual racism and bland nativism. You're usually better than that.

Usually he's a trolling race baiter. Not sure that's better

#32 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-03 08:57 PM | Reply

"What do you mean exactly?"

Compared to all the other health coverage plans out there...where would you peg Medicare?

Let's assume Congressional coverage is the 99th percentile, and the high-end, generous corporate plans (low deductibles, high coverage) are around 90%. Clearly Medicare isn't as good as CongressCare, nor is it as bad as McInsurance. Where would YOU peg it? Again, I'm not trying to ask a trick question; my experience puts it between 62%-72%, roughly.

Ultimately, I'm trying to make a point about M4A, and why there are entrenched forces against it. I simply respect your knowledge and opinion on this topic.

#33 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-03 09:03 PM | Reply

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Okay so the percentages are supposed to represent the amounts usually covered?

I would put Medicare closer to 75%. It would be closer to 90% if it was just major medical but the drug coverage is weaker.

My mom racked up some high expenses in her last year of life. Almost no out of pocket for her.

M4A would have to be reformed with real deductibles and co-insurance to be available to anybody else.

#34 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-03 09:16 PM | Reply

"Okay so the percentages are supposed to represent the amounts usually covered? "

No. The percentile is supposed to represent how it compares to other plans for coverage, convenience, cost, etc.

IOW...what percentage of folks covered have a BETTER plan, and what % have a WORSE plan than Medicare?

"My mom racked up some high expenses in her last year of life."

Sad fact: For most folks, HALF the medical expenses in their lives are racked up in their last two years of living.

#35 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-03 09:24 PM | Reply

Warren isn't going to take the nom because the Democratic Establishment still has a death grip on the primary process and therefore who will win the race. Anyone too outside the status quo will not get party backing (both $ and votes/polls). How Biden is still atop the polls is a joke: clearly past his prime in debating/ on his feet, trouble raising $, and struggles with pointed questions i.e. why did Hunter Biden warm $600k from a Ukrainian petrol company while you were VP? The answer being "it's legal" shows the party's Establishment still reigns supreme. Sounds wrong to the average voter but hey it's legal. It's that type of elitist BS that gave us Trump.

This is an asymmetrical battle perfectly crystallized by JeffJ's comment: " She's shown some serial dishonesty regarding her own personal past and some other issues. It's dragging her down." There's a real problem when honesty only matters for one of the two political parties.

As the Dems continue to throw "centrist" candidates to take over a wallowing field (Deval Patrick, Michael Bloomberg, don't be surprised if talk of Hillary returns beginning next year if no clear strong front runner) Trump will win again. That's because centrist != the way things were preTrump. It also doesn't mean sky-high campaign promises (which have little to no currency these days). It means someone who speaks the language of the common voter and says what everyone thinks but no one ever says: we need real change.

#36 | Posted by AfterMaff at 2019-12-03 09:27 PM | Reply

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Sorry!! Now I get it. My % would be around 75%

#37 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-03 09:53 PM | Reply

"pointed questions i.e. why did Hunter Biden warm $600k from a Ukrainian petrol company while you were VP? "

This, from the same folks who won't make a peep about Rudy's son as the WH "sports liaison", or Jared & Ivanka as 'advisors" who rake in tens of millions.

#38 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-03 09:55 PM | Reply

"My % would be around 75%"

Okay...a little higher than I'd peg it, but it's a good starting point.

This means at least 25% of those covered will be asked to take a worse plan, for the same price. And those folks, generally speaking, are the best-paid workers in the country, since with better pay usually comes better health coverage, from what I've seen in my tax practice.

Add to that their spouses and families. Add to that the folks who will be directly affected by price controls. Add to that the folks who will vote against whatever the "other" proposes.

THAT's why Warren's M4A was dead in the water: refusal to embrace reality, and the legions of folks who will line up foursquare against it.

#39 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-03 09:59 PM | Reply

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I agree with you. And it transcends partisan lines somewhat as well.

#40 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-03 10:08 PM | Reply

Warren's campaign was D.O.A. after SNL portrayed her as wanting to be the next woman to lose to Donald Trump.

#41 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-04 02:10 AM | Reply

Warren's campaign was D.O.A. after SNL portrayed her as wanting to be the next woman to lose to Donald Trump.

#41 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

I think her campaigns was doomed once Mod8 shouted from the mountaintop that she was unstoppable and would be our next president! Personally, I think Bradford Winston might have been able to pull off but Mod8 doomed her.

#42 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-04 02:29 AM | Reply

As long as Bloomberg is willing to spend millions to flood the whole country with anti-Trump campaign ads . . . in effect doing what all the other candidates combined can't afford to do . . . they'll all reap the benefits without lifting a finger.

I've often wondered if that's the only reason Bloomberg entered the race. It's obvious that his hatred of Trump exceeds partisanship. Now is his chance to drive that stake in the heart home.

#43 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-12-04 03:12 AM | Reply

Tommorow Never Dies....a film that follows James Bond as he attempts to stop Elliot Carver, a power-mad media mogul, from engineering world events to initiate World War III.

As long as Bloomberg is willing to spend millions to flood the whole country with anti-Trump campaign ads . . . in effect doing what all the other candidates combined can't afford to do . . . they'll all reap the benefits without lifting a finger.

Given that Hollywood and the public generally hates media moguls... yea i think Bloomberg and his goofy commercials are more help to Trump than to the Democrats....

as for harris, it's clear the democratic leadership told her to stop... to make room for hillary... yea she's coming back to run again.... git ready coz she's back for more...

#44 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-12-04 04:36 AM | Reply

Sure. Just dance around what you said and I called you on. Calling me a bigot is your out.

#30 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER AT 2019-12-03 08:29 PM | REPLY

That childish, racist, nativist, "if you dont like it, leave" because I thought what 1 politician said is offensive is "calling me"? Okay Trump.

Politics is not a zero sum game. Hopefully your posts that retarded at least have a reasonable explanation, like you were drunk or coked up.

#45 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-12-04 07:45 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Jeez - the majority of comments are over-analyzing the situation and it's so simple.

She ran believing in herself.
She opened her mouth.
Few believed in her.
The money went away.
She dropped out.

Simple!

#46 | Posted by Gr8Music at 2019-12-04 08:59 AM | Reply

Who, on the left, thinks Warren would be a bad president?

I don't. I'd take her in a NY minute over the current occupant of the WH...and my standards are higher than that...I'd take her over the entire democratic field.

#47 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-04 09:02 AM | Reply

#45 somehow my point was completely missed by you. Think about it a little more. Forget the racism attacks and take the point literally. I'm not a Trumper and the points aren't about being a bigot. They're actual things to consider.

#48 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-12-04 09:12 AM | Reply

Who, on the left, thinks Warren would be a bad president?

#47 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2019-12-04 09:02 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

I do. I originally wanted Warren/Mayor Pete.

I won't take any candidate who can't represent the entire country. Warren is doing the class warfare thing in the wrong way.

#49 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-12-04 09:14 AM | Reply

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Perhaps a poor campaign strategy....but that doesn't tell me she would be a bad president.

put yourself in the shoes of a democratic candidate for president...the primary is a really tough road. You're being pulled to the left way further than you'd really want to go (unless you're sanders), you're dealing with Trump attacks while trying to compete with 4-5 other candidates.

Maybe she's made some missteps....but those mistakes aren't proof she'd be a bad president.

#50 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-04 09:28 AM | Reply

They're actual things to consider.

#48 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER AT 2019-12-04 09:12 AM | REPLY | FLAG

No, your point was racist and nativist. Being kind and pretending it wasn't, it's if you don't like it, go to Ecuador and pay less taxes and live with rough infrastructure. Your "point" doesn't have a factual basis, I'd pay more in Ecuador. I didn't call you a Trumper. I implied you were behaving like him personally, which having re-read it, I haven't changed my mind on that.

#51 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-12-04 09:37 AM | Reply

Damn, now I want to take a trip to Ecuador. Galapos visit, and their high altitude cuisine is currently taking the US culinary world by storm as chefs explore ingredients and techniques we've never really had much access to in America. Even Gordon Ramsey was just there for one of his shows, scrambling eggs up on some Andes mountain.

#52 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-12-04 09:59 AM | Reply

My point is your business operates in the country it operates in.

You pay the same taxes, but don't act like you'd have the same business here that you would there.

And screw the sjw angle you're taking. Donkeys and rice are good for a lot of people but folks like benzes and steaks too. That's just a fact. Pretending for don't want to leave their country to come here is pretty ignorant. The sjw thing is pretty lame. It's another form of stupidity. Why else do people apply for a green card? Smh.

#53 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-12-04 10:56 AM | Reply

Pretending people*

#54 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-12-04 11:01 AM | Reply

The POTUS channel addressed this the other night. The general consensus was that EW has embraced MFA as a means of defending her left flank against Bernie. The elimination of the individual's personal choice on healthcare will be a problem for either candidate, but in addition to that, she had little to offer on how it would be funded. When she did provide details, she claimed that only the wealthy and the corporations would see higher costs; something which even Democrats recognized as being untrue.

She also didn't respond well to jabs from her fellow nominees, which means she's not going to last in a street fight with Trump.

#55 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-04 02:25 PM | Reply

It means someone who speaks the language of the common voter and says what everyone thinks but no one ever says: we need real change.

That's the problem. You think people who think like you, which is why you used "everyone", are moderate and the majority and "everyone else".

That is why your view is wrong..

I dont know of anyone who thinks we need "change". The country was going along just fine.

#56 | Posted by boaz at 2019-12-04 02:51 PM | Reply

"I dont know of anyone who thinks we need "change". The country was going along just fine."

Removing Confederate statues was just fine...
Gay marriage being declared legal was just fine...
Open Borders; Not having a Wall was just fine...
Kaepernick kneeling was just fine...

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-04 02:56 PM | Reply

I am skeptical.
#17 | POSTED BY MODER8

And yet a month or so ago you were declaring her the next President of the United States.

If i had to guess, looking at the field today, it's going to be Trump vs Biden. 50/50 in swing states and Russia tips it in for Trump. Again.

#58 | Posted by JOE at 2019-12-04 03:06 PM | Reply

Women got the vote sixty years after black men.

Wouldn't be surprised to not see a first woman President until sixty years after the first black President.

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-04 05:51 PM | Reply

#53 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER AT 2019-12-04 10:56 AM | REPLY

Again, your point is stupid, and you are racist. Fast facts about Ecuador. 4% unemployment. Over 55% of the population in extreme poverty brought out of it within 20 years. They have paved roads and everything. They even have satellites in orbit. I know, stunning for backwards brown people below us.

#60 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-12-05 10:48 AM | Reply

I thought she was brave to get the gene test done. Then share the results: she has as many 1st nation alleles as the average African who never came here.

To be fair she did buy into an old family rumor though. It makes me wonder about my Necromancer heritage....

#61 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-12-05 12:31 PM | Reply

"They even have satellites in orbit."

North Korea has nukes, so I guess North Koreans are doing pretty good too, and noone should ever want to leave.

And noone should ever have a legit reason to leave India or China either. Both wonderful countries for poor people, because of orbital launch capability.

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-05 12:39 PM | Reply

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