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Wednesday, December 04, 2019

The Arrest is a documentary about a young woman who spent five days in jail in New Orleans after being falsely accused of theft. According to the filmmakers it is a common story: "The New Orleans bail system is rooted in the city's history as the center for an economy of enslaved people. According to [Kira] Akerman, on any given day in New Orleans, more than a third of people in jail are locked up because they can't pay the price of bail."

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Ok, here's my take on this.....

The argument about being put in jail over an accusation has some merit. Other than stealing from a bank or robbery, I dont think we should be putting people in jail on accusations. Depending on the circumstances, which we have only one side of right now, I think releasing on her own recognizes pending a court date to sort all this out would have been more appropriate. Sure, reform of the criminal code could be used here...

That being said...

The way people (mostly liberals) are using almost every situation to claim a social justice/racial incident is truly getting distressing. Our young people are using this excuse to describe almost every thing that ails them as a "justice" thing and it does a disservice to actual injustices.

It is my opinion that this girl's problems are alot bigger..

Most states let you bail out with 10% - 20% of the bail amount through a bail bondsman. Her bail was $450. So you are telling me should couldnt come up with $45 or $90? That's not a "social justice" problem, that a "you" problem.

Her aunt accused her. Her problem should be with her aunt. And you cant tell me that this had not come up at an earlier time. She knew about her aunt. I think her problem resides with her family.

"It was a testament to their commitment to Chasity and a willingness to stand against the systems and processes that threatened to make her a statistic,"

Why does everything have to be against "the system"? Actually, the system worked in this case, she just had other issues she needs to work out, it's not the systems fault her aunt accused her.

"It was important to me to describe Chasity's experience of jail," Akerman said, "rather than simply answer everyone's automatic question: Why were you in jail? To me, the why' matters insofar as it begs a bigger question: Does anyone deserve this kind of treatment?"

No, the automatic question is actually the question that most needs answering. As I said before, if we want to have the argument about why we are putting people in jail on domestic accusations, we can have that. But to accuse society of something, and to suggest your were wrong in some way, in my opinion, is wrong.

The New Orleans bail system is rooted in the city's history as the center for an economy of enslaved people.

Got to get in the race card.


#1 | Posted by boaz at 2019-12-04 10:38 AM | Reply

Got to get in the race card.

#1 | Posted by boaz at 2019-12-04 10:38 AM

Donald Trump is a racist.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-04 11:49 AM | Reply

It is pertinent to the story considering that of the people being held who can't afford bail 8 out of 10 are black.

#3 | Posted by danni at 2019-12-04 01:17 PM | Reply

#1 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Good take, yet it is the disproportion of treatment dependent upon race that NEEDS acknowledgement and, thankfully, states like California have done so.

The statistics are there. I implore you to consider them and the scholarly research identifying them, which I've been encouraging you to do for years now, to no avail (i.e., chosen ignorance).

#4 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-12-04 01:23 PM | Reply

yet it is the disproportion of treatment dependent upon race that NEEDS acknowledgement

Maybe the race needs to stop doing things that get them involved with the penal system.

#5 | Posted by boaz at 2019-12-04 02:02 PM | Reply

"The way people (mostly liberals) are using almost every situation to claim a social justice/racial incident is truly getting distressing."

Boaz is in distress.
Get him to a Safe Space!

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-04 02:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"It is pertinent to the story considering that of the people being held who can't afford bail 8 out of 10 are lazy."

Edited for Boaz's world view.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-04 02:04 PM | Reply

It is pertinent to the story considering that of the people being held who can't afford bail 8 out of 10 are black.

Stop being in a position where you need bail. Pretty simple to me..

#8 | Posted by boaz at 2019-12-04 02:04 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

You, Zed and a couple of others are really starting to suck when it comes to trolling. I believe I'm going to have a class on how to troll.

#9 | Posted by boaz at 2019-12-04 02:06 PM | Reply

"Actually, the system worked in this case"

Five days in jail for a false accusation, and Boaz says the system is working!
#MAGA

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-04 02:07 PM | Reply

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"You, Zed and a couple of others are really starting to suck when it comes to trolling."

You suck at not being racist, Boaz.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-04 02:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Maybe the race needs to stop doing things that get them involved with the penal system."

Like being born black.

#12 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-04 02:10 PM | Reply

Like living in America.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-04 02:15 PM | Reply

#12,

Actually, no. I'm black and I've never been near the penal system.

But then again, I choose not to do things that are encouraged consequences of a ghetto, thug lifestyle.

It's about culture and Liberals/Democrats/Feminists have surely screwed up the black family.

#14 | Posted by boaz at 2019-12-04 02:40 PM | Reply

"It's about culture and Liberals/Democrats/Feminists have surely screwed up the black family."

What happened to blacks screwed themselves, by doing too many crimes and being too lazy?

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-04 02:45 PM | Reply

"I'm black and I've never been near the penal system."

Really, you've never even been pulled over while driving your car?

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-04 02:46 PM | Reply

I believe I'm going to have a class on how to troll.

#9 | POSTED BY BOAZ

You're doing it right now.

#17 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-12-04 04:27 PM | Reply

Maybe the race needs to stop doing things that get them involved with the penal system.
#5 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2019-12-04 02:02 PM | REPLY

Could you elaborate on what Chasity Hunter should have done differently to avoid getting involved with the penal system?

#18 | Posted by bartimus at 2019-12-04 05:58 PM | Reply

He said "penal"

#19 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-12-04 08:01 PM | Reply

He said "penal"

#19 | POSTED BY CHUFFY

"-----erectus"

Joey: "He said erectus (giggling)"

Rachel: "----! (giggling)"

#20 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-04 08:08 PM | Reply

"I'm black and I've never been near the penal system."

Eddie Murphy said that once, while he was arguing with a mechanic whether there was a tranny in his car.

#21 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-04 08:57 PM | Reply

Eddie Murphy said that once

#21 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

He also made fun of other kids who could afford an ice cream because their dad was an alcoholic. but I love Murphy. I laughed at his humor too.

#22 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-12-04 09:19 PM | Reply

Snoofdog, I appreciate your posts and humor. I am left with the question: why do liberal white folk deny the agency of blacks?

This is what I fond most personally offensive, not because it is totally the fault of blacks to participate in crime at a higher rate than most demographics in the US but because any change requires black agency. Which you folk deny, institutuionally.

#23 | Posted by Ottodog at 2019-12-04 10:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Offended" may be the wrong word. More like disturbed. Disturbed at the normalization of violent social disruption, based on aself-aggrandized (anything wrong must be OUR faultcompletely, as we MUST be the ultimate cause of any large scale trends) sense of influence.

#24 | Posted by Ottodog at 2019-12-04 10:12 PM | Reply

"change requires black agency. Which you folk deny, institutuionally."

I don't think I do that.
If you had examples of us people denying blacks a sense of agency, that might help advance the discussion.

"anything wrong must be OUR fault completely"

It's not about fault, it's about circumstance, and opportunity.
The poorer you are in America, the less opportunity life affords you.
So long as people are poor, they're going to struggle. Poor whites struggle too, but they don't have the racial animus of institutions stacked against them quite as hard.

I don't see why blacks should be expected to be doing better than they are. Slaves for 150 years before America was created, then slaves for another 100 years, then Jim Crow for 100 years, and finally 50 years of on-paper-only legal equality. There's still about 250 years of catching up to do... during which time, whites will be advancing too.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-05 02:25 AM | Reply

#25 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-12-05 02:25 AM | FLAG:

The unfortunate thing in this country is that we are under the impression we are struggling. We struggle to keep up with the rich, but if we had a different perspective and goal we realize we are not struggling (most of us) objectively. We struggle in comparison - when we live the game of comparison the culture fosters. When we step away from the system hoisted up on us (our choice) we realize we don't need all the things we are struggling to acquire.

#26 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2019-12-05 02:44 AM | Reply

LOL @ Boazo.
He can't keep his lies straight in his own thread.
Stupid racist lily white redneck!

#27 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-12-05 03:20 AM | Reply

"The unfortunate thing in this country is that we are under the impression we are struggling."

There are people in this country that don't know how to cook a meal.
Calling it a struggle isn't a strong enough word.
It's a form of cultural illiteracy.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-05 03:39 AM | Reply

#28 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-12-05 03:39 AM | FLAG:

Don't partial quote. I made clear later that I was speaking of most of us.

Yes, sadly there are some who do not know how to cook. That is a pathetic commentary on our schools preparing kids for real life, and parents preparing kids for real life.

It is also a sad commentary on neighbors, and intuitive thought.

#29 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2019-12-05 03:44 AM | Reply

"It is also a sad commentary on neighbors"

It Takes A Village.

(We don't have those, not for everyone.)

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-05 03:46 AM | Reply

#30 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-12-05 03:46 AM | FLAG:

I'm thinking more Christian view of neighbors.

The vast majority of individuals have neighbors. If they don't, they can move (it won't be easy, but they can).

Again, if we try to keep up with the cultural understanding of value - many will struggle. If we abandon that, very few in America need struggle.

#31 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2019-12-05 03:49 AM | Reply

"I'm black and I've never been near the penal system."

Really, you've never even been pulled over while driving your car?

#16 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

You DO know that the penal system is different than police, prosecution, or courts, right? Getting pulled over for speeding isn't even penal-system-adjacent.

#32 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-12-05 08:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I don't see why blacks should be expected to be doing better than they are. Slaves for 150 years before America was created, then slaves for another 100 years, then Jim Crow for 100 years, and finally 50 years of on-paper-only legal equality. There's still about 250 years of catching up to do... during which time, whites will be advancing too.

#25 | Posted by snoofy

Goddamit snoofy! It took Ottodog to bring out a coherent thought like that? Why the hell cant you have a reasoned conversation with ME like this?

To your point, this sentence is absolutely correct! BUT.....

Even though we have that "catching up", it doesnt help the journey if we are inflicting our own wounds by having a culture that refuses to assimilate, given we do have equality, even if on paper. Pants sagging, the (black) community accepting the high single parent rate, acceptance of the thug/ghetto culture, doesnt it seem correct that we have to do something about those to present a better front of the african american race. You must admit, we dont have the same perception that asians or hispanics have...

#33 | Posted by boaz at 2019-12-05 08:45 AM | Reply

It's because I began my post with a compliment, boaz.

What snoofy wrote is true, and part of the problem. What boaz wrote is true, and part of the problem. The latter is the change that blacks can affect, the former is not.

Again, let's allow for full agency of all people in America.

#34 | Posted by Ottodog at 2019-12-05 10:47 AM | Reply

Example of denial of black agency: "blacks shouldn't be expected to be doing any better than they are."

"Blacks shouldn't be expected to have a higher high school graduation rate than they do."

"Blacks shouldn't be expected to avoid committing crimes at such a high rate."

"Because...US WHITES have acted towards them in such a way to dictate their behavior and mindset"

I'm talking about the acceptance of the "dictation" part. Removal of agency.

examples of institutional denial of agency: life long housing projects, affirmative action, life-long government financial assistance.

All of these are generalities, obviously, but it is the mindset cultured by the prevalence and acceptance of such ideas and programs that seems to deny agency.

#35 | Posted by Ottodog at 2019-12-05 11:05 AM | Reply

Define "agency" in this context..

#36 | Posted by boaz at 2019-12-05 11:17 AM | Reply

The ability to affect one's own situation.

#37 | Posted by Ottodog at 2019-12-05 11:54 AM | Reply

Maybe the race needs to stop doing things that get them involved with the penal system.
#5 | POSTED BY BOAZ

The exact point you refuse to acknowledge:

Non-whites commit most crime at significantly similar rates as whites, yet are arrested, charged and sentenced at higher degrees than whites. Hence the resulting disproportionate minority confinement stemming from institutional racism.

Your chosen ignorance does not make this situation any less real.

#38 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-12-05 12:09 PM | Reply

"Even though we have that "catching up", it doesnt help the journey if we are inflicting our own wounds by having a culture that refuses to assimilate"

What's this "we" stuff?

Why isn't it on whites assimilate to black culture?

Because you think white culture is better.

That's your racism in a nutshell.

Beastie Boys made it okay for whites to like rap. That actually helps keep blacks down, right, by celebrating their ghetto culture, right?

You're blaming blacks for not assimilating. You seem to think the black cture, placed in poverty for centuries and excluded by white oppressors, can now assimilate themselves to economic parity with whites, in a system that's still purposed to exploit and exclude the poor. In truth, if the boss man doesn't hire or promote blacks, there's not really much you can do except get another job.

You act like equal opportunity is there, if they'd just stop saggin the pants.

You spent too much time in the liberal socialist armed forces where blacks get promoted. The real world ain't like that.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-05 12:53 PM | Reply

"Maybe the race needs to stop doing things that get them involved with the penal system.
#5 | POSTED BY BOAZ"

Maybe you need to ask an expert to explain institutional racism to you.

Rsty's been trying for at least five years, and your only response is to dismiss him as a liberal ambassador of white guilt.

Your ignorance represents everything you say blacks should have been able to overcome by now. Why haven't you been able to assimilate to the white understanding that systemic racism plays a huge role in America?

Because you're a racist piece of ---- who never found a black who couldn't have acted whiter to stay out of trouble.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-05 12:59 PM | Reply

"Example of denial of black agency: "blacks shouldn't be expected to be doing any better than they are."

Blacks really do have less agency, through both poverty and racism.

I'm not denying them agency by saying that.

I'm describing the problem, which is exactly as you say: A lack of agency. Then I'm saying why would anyone expect such people to thrive in that environment.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-05 01:02 PM | Reply

"Snoofdog, I appreciate your posts and humor. I am left with the question: why do liberal white folk deny the agency of blacks?"

I never addressed this more broadly.

This is a real problem.

The articles my device wants me to read had one about some white do-gooders from the suburbs who got the green idea to plant trees around the poor black parts of Detroit.

The imperiousness of deciding for the black community that black people would openly welcome trust a bunch of ousider whites -- We're only trying to help you poor people! -- was completely lost on them.

Too much empathy, not enough sympathy.

Black neighborhoods need capital investment more than they need trees, but hey, trees is a big feel-good thing right now. You might even call it virtue signaling. It's well intended, but fatally flawed because it was conceived in the vacuum of the black experience.

People need buy-in, not handouts.

And in case you're wondering why I still favor handouts, it's because the buy-in opportunities are still severely lacking.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-05 02:04 PM | Reply

This is the thin blue line _________

if this line offends you...

then stop crossing it....

#43 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-12-05 02:31 PM | Reply

Snoofy, boaz, your ideas are not mutually exclusive. Both are clear factors affecting the community. You can argue the extent to which either side has an effect, but not the existence of either factor.

#44 | Posted by Ottodog at 2019-12-05 02:33 PM | Reply

Also, I don't see how #42 responds to the purported poat.

#45 | Posted by Ottodog at 2019-12-05 02:34 PM | Reply

#41

The distinction I am trying to bring to communicate is the difference between "cant" and "didnt". Denial of agency is saying is saying that a party "can't" be any different than they are vs simply saying a party "isnt" different than they are, at which point it becomes a discussion of extent of influence a certain factor has, not whether a party is as they are due to purely external or purely internal influences. Does this make sense? Because I think this is important, and a lot of our current rhetoric precludes one or the other which reduces ability to identify and solve problems.

#46 | Posted by Ottodog at 2019-12-05 02:50 PM | Reply

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