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Wednesday, December 04, 2019

The prosecutor handpicked by Attorney General William P. Barr, John Durham, to scrutinize how U.S. agencies investigated President Trump's 2016 campaign said he could not offer evidence to the Justice Department's inspector general to support the suspicions of some conservatives that the case was a setup by American intelligence, people familiar with the matter said.

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People familiar with the matter said Horowitz queried U.S. intelligence agencies to determine whether there was any truth to that claim and found no evidence Mifsud was a U.S. asset. He also reached out to Durham to see whether the prosecutor had found anything that might contradict that assessment, and Durham said he had no such evidence, people familiar with the matter said.

It is also unclear whether Durham has shared the entirety of his findings and evidence with the inspector general or merely answered a specific question.

So to be clear, this is based on the origins of the Russia investigations only at this point. But seeing as how the Mifsud/Papadopoulus connection was supposed to be the illicit entrance into the entire investigation, things aren't looking good for those thinking former IC officials somehow violated the law to go after Trump.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-04 08:49 PM | Reply

Somebody check Ira. Make sure his head doesn't explode.

#2 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-04 10:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 8

#2 |

No problem, it's empty.

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2019-12-04 10:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 5 | Newsworthy 1

#3 Known finger-sniffer.

#4 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-12-05 12:13 AM | Reply

BARR:

Huh? What? Who? Now if you'll excuse me I have to go put a plastic bag over my head.

#5 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-12-05 05:34 AM | Reply

Talk radio and Fox have been telling Trump's cult for months that the IG report and ESPECIALLY the results of the Durham investigation were going to be devastating to those Deep State conspirators involved in starting the "sham" Russia investigation.

Now this?

We could be looking at a Jim Jones/Guyana scenario by Trumpturds soon.

#6 | Posted by anton at 2019-12-05 05:41 AM | Reply

This is going to get real ugly for people like Comey, Brennon and McCabe. I hope they all rot in prison. Figures that Brennon and McCabe got gigs with CNN and MSNBC.

POSTED BY FISHPAW AT 2019-11-22 10:36 AM | REPLY

And I'm sure you will say because of the source none of these are true without looking at the evidence. The Durham report will be the real bombshell.

POSTED BY FISHPAW AT 2019-11-05 03:00 PM | REPLY

And now with Durham there is big trouble for the left and they know it, they are already trashing Durham and Barr to get ahead of it but it's too late.

POSTED BY FISHPAW AT 2019-10-28 03:13 PM | REPLY

Wait till the Barr report comes out.

POSTED BY FISHPAW AT 2019-10-23 04:03 PM | REPLY

Another Nostradumbazz.....

#7 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-05 06:30 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

Forgot these beauts:

Horowitz report, not much, Durham report, Bombshell. Brennon, Clapper, McCabe, Comey, time to lawyer up. And the fact that they are already leaking this and coming out to say it's trash is telling. They know there is trouble, if the report was a dud why even bother commenting on it before it comes out.

#63 | POSTED BY FISHPAW AT 2019-12-04 10:55 AM | REPLY

The fact that Chuck Todd had the founders of Fusion GPS on last week is also telling. No one knows who they are but after this report comes out everyone will. If the Durham report exposes what I think it will expose (and I am one of those who have read the books related to it and everything in the books have turned out to be accurate so far) it will show that the party in charge of the WH used the CIA and the FBI to influence the out come of the election and when that didn't work used them to try and remove an elected POTUS. That is a big deal.

#65 | POSTED BY FISHPAW AT 2019-12-04 12:28 PM | REPLY

#8 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-05 06:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Who wants to against Barr doing the same thing he did with the Mueller Report?

#9 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-12-05 06:42 AM | Reply

Rush Limbaugh has been force feeding this conspiracy theory to morons for weeks on end. The spin on these reports is going to be hilarious. Somehow the reports that completely debunk the conspiracy will be irrefutable proof of the conspiracy.

#10 | Posted by anton at 2019-12-05 06:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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What's that in theroad, up ahead, just around the corner? Why, it's the next make-believe plot!
~ G. O(yes you get we're scared). Piggies

#11 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2019-12-05 06:49 AM | Reply

FISHPAW's #63 and #65

I think Fishy should copy those posts and send them along with his job rsum for Trump's new speechwriter in 2020.

They're ridiculous but inventive ~ right up Trump's alley.

Go for it, Fishy. You could be the next king maker.

#12 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-12-05 06:59 AM | Reply

Welcome back to the innersanctum DOC. I've missed your words of wisdom.

#13 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-12-05 07:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Edit #12: rsum

#14 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-12-05 07:06 AM | Reply

Stuff like Fishy's predictions, etc. would be funny if it wasn't dividing our country into two views, one that believes right wing pundits and the other that believes in reality. It's dangerous to democracy to have huge media outlets pumping out false information just because it gets the less intelligent half of the nation to go nuts.

#15 | Posted by danni at 2019-12-05 07:11 AM | Reply

#13 - Kind of you, TWINPAC. Thanks!

#16 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2019-12-05 07:13 AM | Reply

The Deep State got to Durham, too! DEEP STAAAAATE!

#17 | Posted by hamburglar at 2019-12-05 07:21 AM | Reply

Rush Limbaugh has been force feeding this conspiracy theory to morons for weeks on end. The spin on these reports is going to be hilarious. Somehow the reports that completely debunk the conspiracy will be irrefutable proof of the conspiracy.
#10 | POSTED BY ANTON AT 2019-12-05 06:43 AM

Slander the source and misinterpret the findings - the opposite of innocent behavior.

As far as I'm concerned all of the unrectified Right are subject to immediate deresolution, but I want Limbaugh to admit Russian collusion to them first. A day of self-purging in every gas station, residence, warehouse, farmhouse, hen house, outhouse and doghouse. BUt most hopefully banks, brokerages, insurance, extractors and weapons contractors.. right after legislators, lawyers and doctors.

#18 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-12-05 07:23 AM | Reply

Oh, hell take them all.

#19 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-12-05 07:24 AM | Reply

DANNI

I'm surprised at how long it took for the rest of the world to start laughing at Trump.

As for Fishy, if logic doesn't penetrate, it's time for peels of snarky laughter.

#20 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-12-05 07:34 AM | Reply

I'm surprised at how long it took for the rest of the world to start laughing at Trump.

#20 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-12-05 07:34 AM | Reply

There's always been laughter. What's surprising is that it took this long to start laughing openly.

#21 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-05 08:07 AM | Reply

ZED

"There's always been laughter."

And yet he still gets an audience with the Queen. Why Europeans continue to suffer this buffoon who is obviously an agent of Russia who, in turn, is out to destroy them is a mystery to me.

More reason to impeach the bum. Cut him off at the knees and laugh him off the international stage.

#22 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-12-05 09:20 AM | Reply

NOTH ... ING ... BUR ... GER ... !!!

Complete exoneration of liberals and the Obama administration. Right conservatives???

#23 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-12-05 09:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

What is up with all of these leaks?

I'll wait for these reports to actually be released.

For the record, my prediction is that the IG report and the Durham investigation are going to be mostly duds for the GOP.

#24 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-05 09:26 AM | Reply

What is up with all of these leaks?

I'm guessing it's the same as what drove the WB complaint and Ukraine testimonies: life long public servants tired of watching Trump and his cultists tear everything down.

#25 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-05 09:34 AM | Reply

Allege sources, but not the actual first hand source who created the report.

More secondhand information that may or may not be true.

A sad world where we move so quickly on hearsay and false hope.

#26 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2019-12-05 09:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#25 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-12-05 09:34 AM | FLAG:

By that you mean life long cronies obstructing the authority of the President to set foreign policy simply because they don't like it?

#27 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2019-12-05 09:39 AM | Reply

Using Congressionally approved aid to extort damaging announcements against a political foe via unofficial back channels isn't foreign policy.

#28 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-05 09:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#28 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-12-05 09:44 AM | FLAG:

And according to all the AUTHORITIES involved, that didn't happen.

All those who testified in Congress answered the question that there was no quid quo pro.
Trump says no quid quo pro
Zelensky says no quid quo pro

Testimony in the Congressional hearings clarified reasoning of the delay for aid (which were also rational reasons)
If you fallow the news in Ukraine, Zelensky is struggling against the old guard screwing with what he is trying to do and jamming him up.
The former administration was weary of Zelensky (which is why they put all their effort into getting the other guy elected)

Again, you have this false hope of something that didn't occur in reality. American aid is contingent - at all times.
It was not contingent - verbally or on record in any way - on investigations.

#29 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2019-12-05 09:48 AM | Reply

By that you mean life long cronies obstructing the authority of the President to set foreign policy simply because they don't like it?

#27 | POSTED BY HEURISTICGRATIS AT 2019-12-05 09:39 AM | REPLY

Trumpian "foreign policy":

"Nice country you got there. It sure would be a shame if something BAD happened to it. Why don't you talk to my pal, Rudy. Got it?"

#30 | Posted by anton at 2019-12-05 09:50 AM | Reply

What is up with all of these leaks?

#24 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

They are conservatives in the Trump administration. They leak like a sieve.

Liberals care about process and the rule of law, so they do things like file whistleblower reports.

Conservatives only care about themselves and "winning" at all costs, so they leak whenever they think there might be even a slight benefit to themselves.

#31 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-12-05 09:50 AM | Reply

All those who testified in Congress answered the question that there was no quid quo pro.

#29 | POSTED BY HEURISTICGRATIS AT 2019-12-05 09:48 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Please get your hearing checked: www.washingtonpost.com

#32 | Posted by anton at 2019-12-05 09:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#3 Known finger-sniffer.

#4 | Posted by SheepleSchism a

Hello, IRA.

#33 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-05 09:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#32 | POSTED BY ANTON AT 2019-12-05 09:51 AM | FLAG:

Yes, I watched the whole hearing. Sondland's personal view - differing from everything he heard or was told by anyone on the earth is shown in that clip you posted.

Each witness, under direct questioning on quid quo pro, bribery, etc. said "No".

Here we have Sondland working off of his presumption - despite no factual basis or other individual telling him this was the case.

We don't prosecute people based on the presumption of individuals who have to change their testiomy two times.

#34 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2019-12-05 10:04 AM | Reply

#31 | POSTED BY GTBRITISHSKULL AT 2019-12-05 09:50 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Is that why the whistleblower took so long to file the report, failed to tell his superiors for a lenghty period of time, went against protocol and address congressional staff and then failed to note that very important detail on his complaint?

#35 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2019-12-05 10:05 AM | Reply

All those who testified in Congress answered the question that there was no quid quo pro.
Trump says no quid quo pro
Zelensky says no quid quo pro

#29 | POSTED BY HEURISTICGRATIS

Oh... Trump says it so it MUST be true. Because Trump NEVER LIES.

We have Sondland, a Trump ally, appointee, and campaign donor, saying UNDER OATH that there WAS a quid pro quo. AND he ALSO TOLD the Ukrainians that there was a quid pro quo for them to get the aid released.

And do you really think Zelensky would say that there was a quid pro quo? Why would he? That would be idiotic. As demonstrated in another thread there is NOTHING that Trump could do that conservatives would consider "impeachable" so Trump is going to be here for another year regardless of whether he is shown to have coordinated a quid pro quo with Ukraine. And conservatives are very transactional, and have shown themselves eager (especially Trump) to retaliate and get revenge whenever they feel like they have been "crossed" (which is the only reason they want to know the identity of the whistleblower, so they can get "revenge" for the whistleblower "crossing" them). So, if Zelensky tells the truth about quid pro quo, he can be sure of earning the wrath of Trump and the whole Republican tribe. But, on the other hand, liberals generally do not retaliate and get revenge for people not doing what they want (at least nowhere near what conservatives do). So if Zelensky doesn't tell the truth, he only risks liberals being "disappointed" in him but understanding that he has to do what is best for his country and do what he can to avoid getting caught up in our domestic politics.

Also... The most senior cabinet member, Mulvaney, said in a press conference on national television that there WAS a quid pro quo.

But, you are right. There is some conflicting information on this. We should get Trump and the members of his administration under oath so that they can clear this all up and say definitively whether or not there was a quid pro quo. Wouldn't you agree?

#36 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-12-05 10:06 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

#36 I agree, put them all under oath!

#37 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2019-12-05 10:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I agree, too. Let's get to the bottom of this once and for all. Put them all under oath and produce all the subpoenaed documents the WH has been withholding and instructing others to withhold.

#38 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-12-05 10:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

What is up with all of these leaks?
-----
I'm guessing it's the same as what drove the WB complaint and Ukraine testimonies: life long public servants tired of watching Trump and his cultists tear everything down.

#25 | POSTED BY JPW

You might be correct.

#39 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-05 10:18 AM | Reply

Is that why the whistleblower took so long to file the report, failed to tell his superiors for a lenghty period of time, went against protocol and address congressional staff and then failed to note that very important detail on his complaint?

#35 | POSTED BY HEURISTICGRATIS

All lies or irrelevant. You really are a full-blooded conservative, aren't you.

Why does it matter how long he took to file the report? Is there a time limit on whistleblowing?

Also, why does he have to tell his superiors? I thought the POINT of whistleblower protections is so he can remain anonymous so the people, SPECIFICALLY HIS SUPERIORS, cannot retaliate against him.

Where does it say that he is not allowed to contact a congressional committee? And, based upon the reporting I have seen, he contacted the congressional committee to ASK what the correct protocol WAS. And they TOLD HIM to contact the IG office.

And why do you think he was supposed to note that fact that he contacted a congressional committee in his complaint? On the "Disclosure of Urgent Concern" form he is only supposed to disclose if he "filed your complaint with any other entity". As far as I can tell, he did not "file" any complaint with the congressional committee. In fact, the committee specifically told him to file his complaint elsewhere.

Children... this is your brain on Fox News.

#40 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-12-05 10:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#36 | POSTED BY GTBRITISHSKULL AT 2019-12-05 10:06 AM | FLAG:

Mulvaney actually said, basically ' what is the difference if there was a quid quo pro - there is alway quid quo pro when it comes to aid'

I.e. ever if there was, there is always stipulations to aid - it was done under the former administration and all administrations past.

Also, I didn't only mention Trump, I mentioned the whole crew. When directly questions about evidence - NO ONE HAD any and "no one on the planet" told them aid was contingent on investigations.

#41 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2019-12-05 10:21 AM | Reply

#40 | POSTED BY GTBRITISHSKULL AT 2019-12-05 10:20 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Actually, on the disclosure form he filled out, he has to claim any guidance or direction from congressional entities or entities other than who he was filing the report with. Also, Adam Schiff had a copy of the complaint before it was filed - so it was clearly disclosed to his committee before submission.

Also note, there are time frames in play. He mentioned he didn't say anything to his superiors because he was "too busy" and yet he claims it was an urgent matter that could not wait.

Contradictory. Vindman's testimony was a mess.

#42 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2019-12-05 10:24 AM | Reply

What what?

That's not what foxnews/infowars/heritage/national review and every trump excusing "constitutionalist/foreign policy/economics major/lawyer" said

Oh that's right.

They lied

Again

#43 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-12-05 10:27 AM | Reply

Actually, on the disclosure form he filled out, he has to claim any guidance or direction from congressional entities or entities other than who he was filing the report with.

#42 | POSTED BY HEURISTICGRATIS

Please quote the place in the form where it says that. Because this is the form that I was able to find...

www.dni.gov

And this is what it says...

Please indicate in this section if you have filed your complaint with any other entity, including other Inspector General
offices, and/or Members of Congress. If you have contacted other entities, clearly identify the agency, office, or
command, and provide your understanding of the current status of your matter.

Specifically, I am looking for the words "guidance" or "direction" being required to be disclosed.

Now, you could make the argument that the second sentence ("contacted other entities") stand separately from the first ("filed your complaint with any other entity") but it is ambiguous. I read it as the second sentence building upon the first (for any "entity" as fitting the description in the first sentence, information needs to be provided as described in the second sentence). Did he possibly (and me as well) misinterpret what an ambiguous federal form is asking? Sure. Are you claiming that YOU have never found a form ambiguous and incorrectly filled it out? Is that really a valid reason to attack the whistleblower's credibility? And, to be clear, I am not even granting you that your interpretation is ACTUALLY right.

So, stop parroting the propaganda you guzzle down from Fox News and cite actual sources. It is not worth arguing with someone who only copy and pastes talking points without presenting any facts to back them up.

#44 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-12-05 10:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Here we have Sondland working off of his presumption - despite no factual basis or other individual telling him this was the case.
We don't prosecute people based on the presumption of individuals who have to change their testiomy two times.

#34 | POSTED BY HEURISTICGRATIS AT 2019-12-05 10:04 AM | REPLY

We also have the president's chief of staff admitting the quid pro quo on live television and telling the public to get over it. He changed his tune, of course, after the boss refreshed his memory.

#45 | Posted by anton at 2019-12-05 10:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This can't be. Republicans have been telling me for months to wait for the IG report, and to wait and see what Durham digs up. You're telling me the guys handpicked by Trump and Barr to substantiate his "deep state coup" conspiracy theories have come up empty?

Trumpers will pretend this never happened, move on to the next red herring, and continue spouting their unsubstantiated lies, so this really makes zero difference (to them).

#46 | Posted by JOE at 2019-12-05 11:07 AM | Reply

Trumpers will pretend this never happened, move on to the next red herring, and continue spouting their unsubstantiated lies, so this really makes zero difference (to them).

#46 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2019-12-05 11:07 AM | FLAG:

Maybe. I think they will just continue with the gaslighting and say the report proves everything Trump has been saying. This is the guy who said Mueller totally exonerated him when Mueller explicitly stated exactly the opposite and his cultists believe him.

#47 | Posted by anton at 2019-12-05 11:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Time for Barr to open an investigation into Durham. He's obviously a deep state never trumper.

#48 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-12-05 01:09 PM | Reply

Durham Tells IG No Evidence for Russia Being US Intel Setup

The IG needs to reference his conversation with Durham in his report.

#49 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2019-12-05 01:33 PM | Reply

Time for Barr to open an investigation into Durham. He's obviously a deep state never trumper.

#48 | POSTED BY NIXON

Everyone keep an eye on your local pizza parlors. If you see Durham come out of the basement of any of them (even ones that have no basement) POST IT TO TWITTER IMMEDIATELY!!! Its only a matter of time until he is caught.

#50 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-12-05 01:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Whaaat? Where are the usual ball polishers NOW? Yet another of their hoaxes/lies/coverups exposed...by trump's own people!
It must take something out of a person to keep defending the indefensible.

#51 | Posted by e1g1 at 2019-12-05 01:49 PM | Reply

Actually, on the disclosure form he filled out, he has to claim any guidance or direction from congressional entities or entities other than who he was filing the report with.
#42 | POSTED BY HEURISTICGRATIS
Please quote the place in the form where it says that. Because this is the form that I was able to find...
#44 | POSTED BY GTBRITISHSKULL

That wasn't very nice, GT. You know Conservatives can't read above a 3rd grade level or they wouldn't be Conservatives in the first place.

#52 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-12-05 02:52 PM | Reply

That wasn't very nice, GT.

#52 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

Its a known character flaw of mine. I am just not a nice person. I have a psychological aversion to indulging other people's obvious BS.

#53 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-12-05 04:19 PM | Reply

Yet another anonymous report. Don't you libs get tired of taken for shmucs?

#54 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-12-05 05:41 PM | Reply

Don't you libs get tired of taken for shmucs?

#54 | POSTED BY SNIPER

Hey "shmuc ", there have been many many man anonymous reports that have proven completely accurate.

So clean your nose and stop being such a good cultist.

#55 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-05 06:38 PM | Reply

Ha!

#56 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2019-12-06 02:07 PM | Reply

Did Eric blow in Aroma's ear?

#57 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-12-06 04:14 PM | Reply

JPee is all about facts from people he doesn't know and running around like a ------. Bet she's got big calf muscles

#58 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-12-06 04:16 PM | Reply

Where's the MONEY LEBOWSKI???

#59 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-12-06 06:02 PM | Reply

Find the unicorn!
Sir, there is no unicorn.
You're fired!
Find the unicorn!
Sir, there is no unicorn.
You're fired, too!
Find the unicorn!
Sir, unicorns don't exis...
FIRED!
Find the unicorn!
Tonight on Hannity, why the Deep State refuses to look for the unicorn, an in depth report with shocking evidence...
Sir, there's no unicorn.
YOU'RE FIRED FAKE NEWS FIND ME THAT UNICORN!

and on...

#60 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-12-06 06:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

17 Intelligence Agencies: it was Russia
Mueller investigation: it was Russia, and here are a few dozen indictments to boot. Look into this because I can't.
State Department: it was Russia.
DOJ: it was Russia, but the boss wants us to take a closer look.
Intelligence Committees: it was Russia.
Drumpftards: Look at all the evidence that Biden hacked the 2016 election to install Hillary as president so Drumpf would look bad as he won the Electoral College by millions of Mexican votes!

#61 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-12-06 06:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yet another anonymous report. Don't you libs get tired of taken for shmucs?

#54 | Posted by Sniper

Yup. Leaked out so that barr couldnt do his bill barr thing to it before releasing it.

#62 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-12-06 09:23 PM | Reply

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