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Thursday, December 05, 2019

Amelia Thomson-DeVeaux: A Supreme Court showdown over the breadth of Trump's presidential power is brewing - and it has nothing to do with impeachment. Over the past few months, the president has been locked in separate legal battles with New York state prosecutors and House Democrats over whether eight years of his tax returns must be released.

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Why do you think Team RT put 2 partisan justices on the SCOTUS?

One can only hope that Roberts is still a Bush loyalist, and will consider the ramifications of losing his future legal authority by crowning the orange menace as king. We'll see.

#1 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-12-05 03:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I really hope they rule against him. Not necessarily so we can see his taxes, though that would be nice. But so that the precedent is set that CONGRESS can subpoena the President's taxes. Hopefully it will make it so presidential candidates no longer see a benefit in not releasing their taxes when they are campaigning for election (since Congress will get to see them anyways if they get elected).

#2 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-12-05 04:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Here's how this will shake out:
-recognizing the risk to their power, the power of the legislative branch and the greater implications to the country, the SCOTUS will rule that the tax info must be released
-Trump will refuse, under the theory that no one will do anything about it (Just as Hitler did in invading the Sudetenland)
-the GOP-controlled Senate, being trapped between the loss of power and the threat of loss of their jobs, will dither and produce no concrete action
-the crisis of power will continue, with Trump more and more like an insufferable, dangerous gangster
-Trump's dangerous ways will get him voted out of office. Melania will flee the country and Der Dotard will have to be dragged from the White House upon Inauguration Day, 2021 and that expulsion will take place on live TV (except on Fox and RT, both of which will feature a compendium of fun Mid-Winter decorative ideas for the home)
-disgusted Americans bearing pitchforks will show up at the offices a many GOP members of the US House and Senate, and some of those sought will go into hiding, protective custody or jail
-Trump will be tried and convicted of numerous crimes, and punished by the taking of his $147 million net worth

And that, kids, is how the US went to the political brink, looked over, and cast into the abyss numerous domestic political criminals...

#3 | Posted by catdog at 2019-12-05 04:27 PM | Reply

#3 Writing your fantasy fiction on the DR?

#4 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2019-12-05 04:46 PM | Reply

My bet is the SC will rule in a way that will be described as non-precedent (similar to Bush v Gore) and keep congress and NY away from Illegitimate President Bucket of ----- tax documents.

#5 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-12-05 06:26 PM | Reply

#2 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-12-05 04:22 PM

I really hope they rule against him. Not necessarily so we can see his taxes, though that would be nice.

It's not about nice - that's the whole enchilada. That, along with the testimony of the subpoenaed IRS whistleblower, is the key to exposing Donald The Orange Dotard Trump as a con man, criminal financial fraud and money launderer for foreign princes and Russian oligarchs to the mass of cultists who worship him because he is the "self-made billionaire Wizard of Wealth and King of Debt". This will also make it easier for NYSD DA office to amass evidence of fraud so they can prosecute him and/or impose very large "clawback" fines, even if he is no longer a New Yorker.

Everything about Orange Dotard revolves around money, so... Follow the money!

Hopefully it will make it so presidential candidates no longer see a benefit in not releasing their taxes when they are campaigning for election.

If you are Democrat it is no longer possible to campaign for President without providing tax records (should be for any national and state-wide office) and if Republicans don't make it a requirement (which could have saved the country from Orange Menace in 2016, and the U.S. would possibly have either a sane, noncriminal President or Hillary) in their primaries then hopefully, given the Trump example, GOP voters decide he or she has something to hide and would not make it anywhere near to the nomination, which would force the party to make it official.

And hopefully, people finally will look at idiotic McCain-Feingold "take money out of politics" Campaign Finance Act which inevitably leads to billionaires and half-billionaires to having much better chances in primaries because they can self-finance and don't have to rely on limited paltry donations which kills chances of most decent candidates which could have been financed (and properly disclosed) by such rich patrons, so they could be judged on the merits of who they are (and who finances them) instead of how much they can raise in retail net of campaign expenses.

Prime example and yet another victim of McCain-Feingold - Kamala Harris, who couldn't raise enough money to run a decent campaign because she "isn't a socialist". PAC and Super PAC money don't go to campaigns. Citizen United doesn't do anything except recognize and acknowledge that trying to "take money out of politics" is a fools game and to pretend otherwise is downright dangerous.

By the way, the "honorable" John McCain himself was able to finance his floundering 2008 campaign by taking a "loan" from his rich wife - 'nuff said.

#6 | Posted by CutiePie at 2019-12-06 06:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

An interesting thread. Tchump has made his entire "brand" on carefully cultivating a fictitious image of success and wealth. Most of his "wealth" is borrowed and it seems that a lot has been "won" dishonestly ... misusing his charitable foundation like a personal checking account, holding fundraisers for military families and veterans and pocketing lots of the proceeds, lying to lenders and Forbes about his huge value net assets, and then lying to tax folk about his assets low value. As a developer with a house of cards of interlocking subsidiaries, his financial statements are a chimera. Depending on the audience, his organization could be made to look like anything from nunnery to cat house. Just a matter of how you show the books and which books are shown. Meier Lansky would be proud.

Be skeptical that Roberts will side with the NY prosecutors. There is no federal law YET that requires personal financial disclosure to RUN for national office. Should there be? Sure. What required annual disclosures for federal executives and Congress? So far, apparently the Tchumps haven't made those disclosures public, if they've made them at all.

What's really compelling about the need for full disclosure is the public trust demands it. For the high level of security clearance to be even close to America's National Security Council, a thorough background investigation must 100% confidently determine that clearance holders have absolutely no other interests that could possibly conflict with their duty to support the Constitution of the US against all adversaries foreign or domestic. And the investigation requires confidence that higher level clearance have been absolutely truthful in providing the information required. How any of the Tchumps (Don, Don Jr, Eric, Ivanka, Jared) could have passed is one of this Administration's great mysteries.

#7 | Posted by Augustine at 2019-12-06 08:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Wen will they release the speaker of the house tax returns.

#8 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-12-06 01:27 PM | Reply

"W[h]en will they release the speaker of the house tax returns."

When she runs for President, I'd guess.

Thought you would have figured that out by now. Or is this just one of your goalpost thingys?

#9 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-12-07 04:10 AM | Reply

(Dem)civilization is at stake!

#10 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2019-12-07 05:13 AM | Reply

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Dems ...the party of rich old white men..bitching about rich old white men

#11 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2019-12-07 05:57 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Joe and Hunter Biden's returns are what I want to see... while the article focuses on Trump, it's actually about showing both parties tax returns..

Democrats hatred for Trump is so focused, they don't see how they too can be harmed from this...

#12 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-12-07 10:41 AM | Reply

" while the article focuses on Trump, it's actually about showing both parties tax returns.."

All Donnie cares about is you swallowing his lies. Remember that return he was going to release once the audit was over? It is now out of statute, and the "audit", if it ever existed, is long finished. But you still think it's okay that he hasn't released his taxes, and you still think it's okay he lied to you.

More to the point: Do you still think it's okay he treats you like a chump, day in and day out? Do you still think you don't deserve the truth?

#13 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-07 10:46 AM | Reply

PEGASUS

" while the article focuses on Trump, it's actually about showing both parties tax returns.."

No it's not.

#14 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-12-07 02:55 PM | Reply

No it's not.

Actually, yes it is... each court decision sets up a precedent.

In common law legal systems, precedent is a principle or rule established in a previous legal case that is either binding on or persuasive for a court or other tribunal when deciding subsequent cases with similar issues or facts.

Which means that in the future both Democratic and Republican presidents and possibly lower officials will have to produce their tax forms for inspection.

This could be bad for two reasons... 1) even fewer people want their private lives known and so we have fewer people running for office...2) Simple business transactions can be made to look bad in the future as Politically Correct viewpoints change.

While some will say it's just for presidents or other officials...this court precedent sets up a 2 level citizenship where one level is the common citizens and the other level is the more responsible ruling class. Much like the UK and many other countries...

What make America different (and great) was that for the first time in history in that "All men were created equal".

In other countries, it just the ruling class and the others classes that serve them...

Usually these lower classes are unarmed...least they get any ideas...

#15 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-12-07 09:52 PM | Reply

"Usually these lower classes are unarmed...least they get any ideas..."

They're not unarmed in America.
They might get ideas.
You know, like that Saudi guy on the base got an idea.
#MAGA

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-07 10:12 PM | Reply

PEGSUS

You've made some points but I believe you and I are talking about two different appellant cases . . . one Federal (you) and one State (me).

While the article does mention the House's federal case which yes, would set a precedent for both parties and should be mandatory, upon demand, by a time certain during a campaign . . . I'm talking about the State of New York's subpoena to a third party, specifically, Trump's accounting firm, to turn over Trump's tax returns ~ which is not related to a political party but rather to the business and personal activities of Trump et al and Trump, Inc. That's state business and precedent would have to be set state-by-state legislation if or when necessary.

That's not to say that a decision by one state can't be used as a template for another state but it's by no means a purely political matter. It's a matter of Law.

#17 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-12-08 05:12 AM | Reply

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