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Sunday, December 08, 2019

James Downie: There's one question that hasn't really been asked enough of President Trump and the GOP: If Hunter Biden's position on the Burisma board was so clearly a problem, why were they all but silent about it for years? When Burisma announced Biden's appointment to its board in the spring of 2014, every media outlet under the sun covered the news, from The Post to Politico to the AP to the BBC and so on. And you know what you won't find when you read that old coverage? Republican leaders calling for investigations.

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Hunter Biden's position wasn't just squirreled away in regulatory filings or some other bureaucratic nook. The White House even explicitly denied that it constituted a conflict of interest. Vice President Biden's visit to Ukraine the following month sparked a second round of stories on the ethics of his son's position, including on Fox News. Nor did the story fade; the New York Times ran a follow-up on the Bidens and Ukraine in December 2015.

And you know what you won't find when you read that old coverage? Republican leaders calling for investigations. The same people who were ready to investigate President Barack Obama if he hiccuped at the wrong time didn't deem Hunter Biden a concern. Those silent included the current president. Trump, never one to shy away from criticizing the Obama administration, said not one word about Hunter Biden while his father was vice president. Yet Republicans now want us to believe that Trump's extortion attempts were really about concern over Burisma? Give us a break.

What makes the Republican silence especially pathetic is that, unlike many GOP investigations in the Obama years, a Hunter Biden probe would have been on solid ground. That there is no evidence that Burisma got any favors from the Obama administration doesn't mean that the younger Biden's appointment was okay: Both government ethics watchdogs and mainstream media outlets noted the obvious ethical concerns at the time.

The truth is, were Trump or congressional Republicans actually concerned about corruption in Ukraine, they had years to say something about it. That they're only now speaking up proves perhaps as well as anything that the president's pressure on Ukraine was about nothing but extorting a foreign country to interfere in U.S. politics for Trump's political benefit.

If Republicans were so concerned with corruption in Ukraine why haven't they said a word about it until Trump's likely illegal hold of congressional funding broke into the public's consciousness? The answer is obvious as the word Benghazi: There was no political capital to be gained by doing so until now.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-08 06:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 8

Why didn't DemoKKKrats?

#2 | Posted by sawdust at 2019-12-08 07:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Tony, while you were out digging in the garbage looking for anything to smear Trump with, I was posting the Biden video way before this BS ever came up.

Its was out there TR . .you just chose to ignore it.

There was no political capital to be gained by doing so until now.

No, we are awaiting the IG report, unlike the DRLeft we aren't hyperventilating over every word.

Better get used to Chalupa's though ...

To Snipers point, why didn't Obama do anything about it, its was a concern.

Remember Obama's fateful words to JB "You don't have to do this" ...

Thats Snoofy code for "the SHTF if you do".

#3 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-12-08 08:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

Mattress, my bowel movements have more sense than you do. Everything you think is so relevant isn't. Biden didn't do anything but forward the official US government/IMF/global policy of getting rid of Shokin because he wasn't investigating corruption, he was protecting the corrupt himself. That is why Biden threatened Ukraine with withdrawal of the loan guarantees, not taxpayer funds.

Chalupa has already been investigated as part of both Horowitz' and Durham's probes. There is nothing there because nothing is there. Yes Chalupa was in communication with Ukraine because the issue was of importance to the campaign, not because of any nefarious conspiracy to invent something that didn't actually happen. In other words, simply to find out the truth of what was happening. Chalupa asking questions is not meddling nor soliciting the Ukraine government's help for a political purpose. It's her job.

But again, it amazes me that all of Trump's supporters can't answer the simple question as to why events that happened years ago and weren't even a blip on these same people's radar screen became an issue of importance in this moment, to the point that a nation involved in a hot war and whose defense of them has been a consistent, top-down, bipartisan consensus policy are now thrown into question because of actions taken 4/5 years ago involving Hunter and Joe Biden that have ZERO effect in Ukraine or the US today? How is this a current national security issue for the US and Ukraine - who's fighting a war and dependent upon our support both materially and politically? You idiots give up your game whenever you fail to mention a single other act of corruption inside the entire Ukraine government from 2014 until now that doesn't involve the Bidens and Burisma. Name one for me that doesn't involve one of the players already on the expansive gameboard.

Burisma has never had any monetary connection with Ukraine's US -given aide and assistance. Their business is oil and gas, not munitions nor supplying the military with equipment. Any corruption in Burisma wouldn't ever affect any US foreign policy interest, but today it would help one US political party's interest in maintaining a controversy surrounding one Democratic presidential candidate. Why hasn't it mattered up until now? Trump has had nearly three years to bring it to our attention, yet nothing, not one word... until very recently.

And that's the only thing that matters. Ukraine has received millions in US taxpayer money since Trump was inaugurated. Is there a scintilla of evidence that one dollar of that money was gone to benefit Burisma or the Bidens? If not, then why was it enough of a concern that the usual bureaucratic protocols were either changed or ignored for the $391 million THIS TIME?

You have no sensible answers because there are none. It's obvious why now, and why it was done. There is still $35 million that Ukraine hasn't yet received as of now. So almost 10% is still lagging because..... why? Things that were done in 2014-2016 which have zero to do with today? You're as loony as your views.

#4 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-08 08:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

I hope the DNC is paying Tony Windbag by the word.

#5 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-12-08 08:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Congress approved the aid in September 2018. A top Defense Department official certified to congressional committees on May 23 that Ukraine had made sufficient progress on anti-corruption efforts to merit the security funds. The Pentagon announced the $250 million aid package June 18.

That's how it typically works. But, on Trump's orders, the White House informed the Pentagon on July 18 that Ukraine's aid was being frozen, and didn't release the funds until Sept. 11, weeks before the deadline.

If the Defense Department certified in May that Ukraine had made enough progress on corruption to merit the security assistance funds, what was left for the White House to investigate?

Rooting out corruption in Ukraine is a security issue for the United States and Western allies: Anti-corruption reforms check Russian influence, and economic reforms facilitate more ties with Western nations. The $250 million aid package included funds for counter-artillery radar and secure-communication equipment, tactical vehicles and ambulances, sniper rifles, grenade launchers and ammunition, and military training. The White House also froze a separate $141 million aid package through the State Department. And the Trump administration has been seeking budget cuts for U.S. programs that combat corruption in Ukraine.

"They want to have more corruption in Ukraine," said Anders Aslund, a Swedish economist at the Atlantic Council who is heavily involved in Eastern European market reforms. Aslund said the claim that Trump held up Ukraine's security aid because of corruption concerns didn't make sense because Giuliani's pressure campaign ended up ousting the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch, "because she was fighting corruption."

Congress has sent more than $1.5 billion in security assistance to Ukraine since 2014, when Russia annexed Crimea, but the $250 million package this year appears to be the first one delayed by the White House.

Why is the Trump Administration "seeking budget cuts for U.S. programs that combat corruption in Ukraine if they're so concerned with corruption in Ukraine? This might be the most damning and dispositive fact in this whole sordid affair. You don't fight something by defunding the ability to fight it.

Actions speak much louder than words.

#6 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-08 08:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Another 500 words from the Retort's biggest gasbag.

#7 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-12-08 09:07 PM | Reply

For each year since 2017, the National Defense Authorization Act has required "a certification by the Secretary of Defense, in coordination with the Secretary of State, that the Government of Ukraine has taken substantial actions to make defense institutional reforms ... for purposes of decreasing corruption, increasing accountability, and sustaining improvements of combat capability enabled by assistance."

The law also says, "The certification shall include an assessment of the substantial actions taken to make such defense institutional reforms and the areas in which additional action is needed." So, the Defense Department is required to review Ukraine's progress on corruption before security assistance funds are released each year and note where there's room for improvement.

The Defense Department's undersecretary for policy, John C. Rood, sent a letter May 23 to congressional committees certifying that "the Government of Ukraine has taken substantial actions to make defense institutional reforms for the purposes of decreasing corruption, increasing accountability, and sustaining improvements of combat capability enabled by U.S. assistance."

Rood said the Defense Department made this certification after "persistent U.S. engagement with Ukraine," including high-level meetings. He listed these milestones:

The Ukrainian Government adopted legislation to authorize the Ministry of Defense to conduct direct procurement from international manufacturers, including through the Foreign Military Sales program. Furthermore, to strengthen civilian control of the military, the ministry is making progress toward increasing civilian staff, as most prominently illustrated by the fact that the Minister of Defense is now a civilian. Minister Poltorak also initiated an ambitious program to reform the command and control system in line with Euro-Atlantic principles, which will improve the management of Ukraine's forces. Lastly, Ukraine committed in writing to defense industry reforms and requested a Senior Defense Industry Advisor to improve the ability of Ukraine's domestic industry to provide critical material to the Ukrainian armed forces and transform the state-owned enterprise.
USAID's report says it trained Ukrainian judges on spotting corruption in 2018, fostered more decentralization and local government control, and "helped automate many standard government processes, thus making corrupt practices more difficult."

"The Government of Ukraine (GOU) has laid the foundations of a new system to fight corruption; it is working to reform comprehensively the police and law enforcement systems; and it is advancing constitutional reforms and decentralization, including by steadily incorporating a vibrant civil society into policymaking and reform processes," the U.S. government says on its foreign-aid website, ForeignAssistance.gov. "U.S. assistance has played an indispensable role in supporting reform in these and other critical areas."

We asked the White House how its Ukraine review differed from the Defense Department's, but we received no response.

www.washingtonpost.com

That last sentence is the most important in the entirety of paragraphs. On what actual evidence TODAY did the WH decide to withhold Ukraine money TODAY because they believe Ukraine is corrupt? Their word is worthless, where is the evidence supporting their decision? It certainly isn't in the voluminous reporting already written into the law regarding Ukraine receiving US tax money. Are you saying the GOP-controlled Congress' ignored all this Ukraine corruption that Trump, Solomon, Giuliani, and his buddies Lev and Igor say that there is?

#8 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-08 09:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The facts are already indisputable. There was only one reason Trump was trying to strong arm Ukraine and it doesn't come within light years of anything having to do with the United States' national security interests. In fact, it's just the opposite. That is why Congress created laws making it criminal for a President to do what Trump did. His concerns are insincere because he knows that most people have no idea that US aide to Ukraine is intrinsically tied to firm, quantifiable, and measured REAL anti-corruption benchmarks and changes, something Trump and his trained seals have yet to articulate even a single example of. What exactly does Trump want Ukraine to do other than what they're already doing per our government's prior instructions?

Nothing but to help him in his efforts to win next year's election.

#9 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-08 09:35 PM | Reply

That must be another 1000 words for Spam-O-Roma.

#10 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-12-08 09:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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One thing is for certain, if Talking Points Tony is spending this much time on this, the DNC must be concerned about Hunter having to testify in front of the Senate over his Burisma gig.

#11 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-12-08 09:45 PM | Reply

I hope the DNC is paying Tony Windbag by the word.
#5 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2019-12-08 08:41 PM

Translation: you got nothin', as usual.

#12 | Posted by e1g1 at 2019-12-08 09:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

For each year since 2017, the National Defense Authorization Act has required "a certification by the Secretary of Defense, in coordination with the Secretary of State, that the Government of Ukraine has taken substantial actions to make defense institutional reforms ... for purposes of decreasing corruption, increasing accountability, and sustaining improvements of combat capability enabled by assistance."
So this means Pompeo had to sign off on the Defense Department's certification in May. Wonder what happened in between May and July that peaked Trump's insistence on Ukraine corruption that wasn't already addressed by the Defense Department's continuous Ukrainian anti-corruption efforts?

the DNC must be concerned about Hunter having to testify in front of the Senate over his Burisma gig.

I could give less TAF about anything having to do with the DNC. I don't accept any email from the DNC. Sorry if you haven't noticed but I'm the one doing the speculation here based on my own research and reading. None of the above content is actually tying all the information together, just as it exists, no stretches or alteration needed.

Ukraine aide going through the Defense Dept can only be acted on by Congress if a certification of Ukraine meeting anti-corruption standards and benchmarks are accomplished on an ongoing basis. It isn't just a look back, it's a making changes moving forward measurement. And Trump's State and Defense departments signed off on that in May for the money Congress voted on in 2018. It was a long and thorough process, not a rubber stamp. Just what more could Trump have wanted if it concerned any thing else regarding corruption but for Burisma?

No wonder Zelensky feels so hog tied. Ukraine is doing everything the US has "officially" asked him through normal diplomatic channels always used up until now. Then Rudy slides into town and tells him that Ukraine isn't doing enough even though the official US revue said that they were? And Rudy is not representing the US government at all, just the President's personal interests? Where is the US national security interest in any of these things?

Good grief, this is just so black and white without injecting anything but facts and logic.

#13 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-08 10:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Another 400 words from Tony the Gasbag.

#14 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-12-08 10:08 PM | Reply

Another 500 words from the Retort's biggest gasbag.

#7 | Posted by nullifidian

If you're striving for the lowest contributing retorter, please, by all means, feel free to say nothing.

You won't be missed.

#15 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-08 10:10 PM | Reply

One thing is for certain...

#11 | Posted by Rightocenter

...you have nothing useful to say.

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-08 10:11 PM | Reply

--Translation: you got nothin', as usual.

Admit it. You scroll past Tony Windbag's russian novels like everyone else.

#17 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-12-08 10:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

slaughter the source
slaughter the source
squawk

-nulli

#18 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-12-08 10:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

USAID's report says it trained Ukrainian judges on spotting corruption in 2018, fostered more decentralization and local government control, and "helped automate many standard government processes, thus making corrupt practices more difficult."

"The Government of Ukraine (GOU) has laid the foundations of a new system to fight corruption; it is working to reform comprehensively the police and law enforcement systems; and it is advancing constitutional reforms and decentralization, including by steadily incorporating a vibrant civil society into policymaking and reform processes," the U.S. government says on its foreign-aid website, ForeignAssistance.gov. "U.S. assistance has played an indispensable role in supporting reform in these and other critical areas."

Of course Trump was concerned after reading a month-old report that had to give him great pause at the ineffectiveness of the US' anti-Ukrainian corruption efforts this report notes .

Where are the national security interests that compelled Trump to usurp written law and stop duly-appropriated congressional funding in a manner never seen before, to the point at least 2 career officials resigned instead of quietly following his illegal orders?

#19 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-08 10:47 PM | Reply

Is Roma a paid staffer for the Biden campaign?

#20 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-12-08 10:50 PM | Reply

@#20

I've not taken the time to do a deep dive into this topic, but I did skim this thread.

The one thing I notice is that the person posting information is being subject to ad hominem attacks by those who seem to support Pres Trump.

That alone leaves me to wonder why the 'tail between the legs' cowardly retreat from discussing what is being presented?



#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-12-08 11:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Roma is a DNC asset. That's been obvious for years.

#22 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-12-08 11:04 PM | Reply

@#22 ... Roma is a DNC asset. That's been obvious for years. ...

So you admit what he has posted is correct.

Thanks for that candor.

#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-12-08 11:09 PM | Reply

That alone leaves me to wonder why the 'tail between the legs' cowardly retreat from discussing what is being presented?

That's why I have them both plonked. It's a much more coherent thread without their utterances.

They can't discuss the topic because the facts undermine everything that Trump alleges, and none of the information needs to be witnessed by anyone else. They're facts and history at this point and they cannot be credibly refuted without introducing some other information that is not currently publicly known.

And there aren't any more plausible explanations for the multiple, moving rationales Trump uses to justify his actions outside of normal governmental protocols and regulations. Things are exactly as they appear to be because Trump cannot comprehend that what he does can ever be wrong regardless of what that is. And his supporter's refusal to ever make him toe any appreciable line now has most of the GOP backing someone they know violated his oath to the country.

What's there to discuss? Me, of course.

#24 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-08 11:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

More bullschitt from Tony DNC.

#25 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-12-08 11:13 PM | Reply

"Why is the Trump Administration "seeking budget cuts for U.S. programs that combat corruption in Ukraineif they're so concerned with corruption in Ukraine?"

There was good corruption on both sides.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-08 11:15 PM | Reply

What's there to discuss? Me, of course.

Posted by tonyroma

Let's discuss your salary from trade unions and the DNC.

#27 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-12-08 11:18 PM | Reply

@#24 ... the facts undermine everything that Trump alleges ...

You need to get the correct semantics.

Pres Trump does not allege incorrect facts.

He alleges "hyperbole."

Hyperbole was used by the Ancient Greeks, you know. ;)


#28 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-12-08 11:18 PM | Reply

@#22 ... Roma is a DNC asset. That's been obvious for years. ...

If the DNC had Gal, myself and a few others here, it would be an asset compared to their insipid media output and response. They couldn't be so lucky.

Those who take the time to read me already know that I try to present information and viewpoints to stimulate response, some expressed and maybe some just in contemplation. I don't tell anyone what to think, I want everyone to figure it out on their own. That is why I always supply links trying to make it easy for anyone to see exactly where the things I'm saying come from. Then I want them to think about my viewpoints and their origins and comment on the content if moved to do so. Challenge the information, bring more relevant facts into the discussion and debate them. Help me see a perspective that I don't currently see but be prepared to defend that view from facts and evidence that undermine them, if presented with such.

It's not that hard and it's not political. It's hopefully about as much logic and reason one can find in open forum discourse.

But you may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. Back in the day we used to go back and forth with facts and truths, not unsupportable absurdities and gaslighting. Those were the days.

#29 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-08 11:29 PM | Reply

--It's hopefully about as much logic and reason one can find in open forum discourse.

Two words: Trig Palin.

#30 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-12-08 11:37 PM | Reply

"Back in the day we used to go back and forth with facts and truths"

Obama broke them.

Especially the Trumpers who voted for Obama the first time.

They are never going to get better.

They have found their safe space, and it's white nationalism.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-08 11:40 PM | Reply

#29 | Posted by tonyroma

What a load of pretentious horseschitt. lol

#32 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-12-08 11:49 PM | Reply

So you're saying you never discussed facts and truths, Nullifidian?

I believe you.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-08 11:55 PM | Reply

--But you may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.

If you get your political philosophy from John Lennon, that proves you're a total dope.

#34 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-12-08 11:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Those who take the time to read me already know that I try to present information and viewpoints to stimulate response, some expressed and maybe some just in contemplation. - #29 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

A god among men, even.

#35 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-12-09 12:27 AM | Reply

Tony is a true political shaman. a Sherpa, if you will.

Guide me, Tony. to the summit.

#36 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-12-09 12:29 AM | Reply

Don't forget your enchanted string.

#37 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-12-09 12:31 AM | Reply

Why Didn't the GOP Care About Biden and Burisma in 2014?

For the same reason the GOP didn't care about building a wall in 2016.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-09 12:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This thread is hilarious. I'll leave it at that.

#39 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-09 02:15 AM | Reply

I'm sure it was for different reasons than why the DOJ at the time did not take it up. Maybe it was because the pursuit of what ultimately would be a failed process without wide bi-partisan support would be so divisive as to damage the republic that it would not be worth it. Maybe it was because the VP hadn't yet bragged about it in public. Maybe it was because the law that required investigation into corruption as a requirement for Ukraine to receive aid was not yet being applied by the Obama Administration.

Corruption in the US government should be routed out. Better late than never.

And someone please tell Eric that there's an open spot on the Burisma board that needs a politically connected individual to fill it. No experience necessary.

#40 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2019-12-09 05:05 AM | Reply

This thread is hilarious.

#39 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Funny in a "ha ha" way or funny in a "are these people's lives really so pathetic that all they have time to do is post these inane responses" kind of way?

I'll leave it at that.

When have I ever let you do that. :)

#41 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-12-09 08:57 AM | Reply

Corruption in the US government should be routed out. Better late than never.

#40 | POSTED BY NUKE_GENTLY

But, what Hunter Biden did is not illegal. And as far as I can tell Joe Biden did nothing wrong.

It was like after the financial crisis. People kept yelling that the CEO's needed to go to jail, but we had de-regulated to such a high extent that what they did was not actually illegal. Just because you think something SHOULD be illegal, does not me it IS.

If you WANT it to be illegal, then maybe SOMEONE should propose some legislation to make it so. Until you do that, all you are engaged in is partisan ------------.

#42 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-12-09 09:06 AM | Reply

Why didn't DemoKKKrats?

#2 | POSTED BY SAWDUST

Because there is nothing to care about. Joe Biden did nothing wrong, and Hunter Biden was not part of the administration. And also did nothing illegal.

That is kinda the whole point. This is much ado about nothing. And TRUMP didn't actually think that the Bidens did anything wrong. Hell, his kids are MUCH worse. He just wanted to manufacture some dirt (a publicly announced "investigation" that was in fact completely baseless) that he could use against Joe Biden in the upcoming election.

#43 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-12-09 09:37 AM | Reply

No, we are awaiting the IG report, unlike the DRLeft we aren't hyperventilating over every word.

#3 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Lol. How many times have I heard the righties on here say "just wait" for the IG report? That Comey and others are going to go to jail over it?

And the only reason you aren't "hyperventilating over every word" is because "every word" that has come out has confirmed what I said from the beginning... that it was going to be a dud. Or, as you would call it, a "Nothingburger".

#44 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-12-09 09:42 AM | Reply

The argument put forth does not pass Alan Dershowitz "shoe on the other foot" test. If Eric Trump gets that spot on the Burisma board would that be ok? I don't believe so because of the appearance of impropriety.

I also don't buy that ONLY Russia attempted to interfere with the 2016 election. What about North Korea? Iran? Maybe there could be others, including from Russia controlled Crimea.

#45 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2019-12-09 10:03 AM | Reply

Alan Dershowitz "shoe on the other foot" test

#45 | Posted by Nuke_Gently

Difficult to think of an instance Trump has ever p-assed that test. As it stands, whatever he accuses someone of doing we know he's done.

#46 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-09 10:10 AM | Reply

#45 | POSTED BY NUKE_GENTLY

How do you define "OK"? What do you think should happen if Eric Trump accepted a spot on the Burisma board? Should Donald Trump be impeached? Should Eric Trump go to jail? Would he be called to testify before the Senate? Before the House? What would be the "other foot" consequences?

Should the US open an investigation into "corruption" by the Trumps? Should Ukraine open an investigation into "corruption" by the Trumps?

Yes, the media would probably comment on it extensively. People would call it corruption. And yes, it would look "bad" or "improper". But there would be no law enforcement action taken because it is not actually illegal. So, how do YOU THINK that the corruption would be "routed out" in your hypothetical?

#47 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-12-09 10:11 AM | Reply

Also, there is no reason to think even electoral solutions would work.

Republicans would still overwhelmingly vote for Trump, Ivanka, and Jared to be back in the White House in 2020 even IF your hypothetical happened and Eric Trump took a job at Burisma.

For conservatives, corruption is a feature, not a bug.

#48 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-12-09 10:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Jesus, Nulli is so worthless now. Sad to see.

#49 | Posted by JOE at 2019-12-09 10:19 AM | Reply

For conservatives, corruption is a feature, not a bug.

#48 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019

It's part of Trumpite culture that those they choose to lord over them have certain perks still illegal to the Trumpites themselves.

#50 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-09 10:27 AM | Reply

As to the article, it's also worth noting that Sens. Ron Johnson (R), Mark Kirk (R), and Rob Portman (R) were all pushing for the Ukrainian government to fire the prosecutor investigating Burisma. Republicans not only didn't have a problem with what Biden was doing, they agreed with him and wanted the same thing.

This just proves how shameless Trump is in grabbing onto anything he can to try to scandalize it, and how moronic his supporters are for falling for it.

#51 | Posted by JOE at 2019-12-09 10:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Keep up the good work Tony R.

All those words and facts seem to be really bothering nazi Nulli.

You can tell when it is getting to him. He thinks trumps method of insulting the messenger will somehow change the facts.

#52 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-12-09 10:29 AM | Reply

how moronic his supporters are for falling for it.

#51 | Posted by JOE at 2019-12-09 10:28 AMFlag: ReceivedFunnyNewsworthy

They know what they're doing, JOE. They're falling for nothing. As the man said, corruption is a feature and not a bug.

#53 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-09 10:30 AM | Reply

Has Ghouliani got back with them Oranges yet???

We really need to get to the Oranges!! Where are the Oranges???

#54 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-12-09 10:49 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Maybe we get all the answers about 2016 and corruption and influence peddling in the previous administration? T - 1 hour to the Horowitz report in FISA abuse.

#55 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2019-12-09 12:03 PM | Reply

"But again, it amazes me that all of Trump's supporters can't answer the simple question as to why events that happened years ago and weren't even a blip on these same people's radar screen became an issue of importance in this moment, to the point that a nation involved in a hot war and whose defense of them has been a consistent, top-down, bipartisan consensus policy are now thrown into question because of actions taken 4/5 years ago involving Hunter and Joe Biden that have ZERO effect in Ukraine or the US today? "

This is so laughable. If there wasn't a "Why didn't people care about this back then" question made at least every month, it wouldn't be American politics. The fact that there are people who ignore all of the other "Why is it so important now" issues and only concentrate on the ones that are drawn on partisan lines is the problem, not the fact that something that was wrong in the past wasn't an issue until it was. I'll give you the same answer that the partisan people give every time this question comes up...Why are you OK with Biden being corrupt and deflecting? It's a shame that both parties are enabled so much by their flock that this never changes.

#56 | Posted by humtake at 2019-12-09 12:04 PM | Reply

Why are you OK with Biden being corrupt

#56 | Posted by humtake at 2019-12-09 12:04 PM | Reply

Because all evidence is this is a deliberate lie people like you and Trump use.

#57 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-09 12:14 PM | Reply

I'll not ask you why you do it, I know why. I've explained it to you, as have others. You have adopted a criminal culture to protect a criminal; an essential part of Trumpism.

#58 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-09 12:16 PM | Reply

#56 | Posted by humtake

Before we go even one more step discussing Joe Biden, I want you to tell me you know that Donald Trump was caught stealing millions of dollars from American war veterans.

#59 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-09 12:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#56 | Posted by humtake

Just think of #58 as a test.

#60 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-09 12:20 PM | Reply

Why are you OK with Biden being corrupt and deflecting?

#56 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

Which Biden? Joe Biden did nothing wrong.

So you must be talking about Hunter Biden. I don't care about him being "corrupt" because he is not an elected official or a government employee. What he did was not illegal, so there is no legal remedy. I do not own any stock in Burisma, so them wasting money on Hunter (since that is what conservatives claim happened) also is not really my business.

If you don't like what Hunter did, I encourage you to draft some legislation that would criminalize that type of behavior and lobby your representatives to get it passed. I personally cannot think of any way to draft legislation to prevent that behavior without it being overly onerous (having too many "false positives" - preventing relatives of politicians from doing thing they SHOULD be able to do as well as the stuff they shouldn't) but I am willing to debate whatever you come up with.

Or, you somehow believe that what Hunter Biden did WAS illegal, then I would encourage you to cite the law that you think he has violated.

#61 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-12-09 12:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Posted by humtake

Just think of #59 as a test

#62 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-09 12:20 PM | Reply

"I want you to tell me you know that Donald Trump was caught stealing millions of dollars from American war veterans"

HUMTAKE, were you to do so, you'd be the very first Trumpite on this forum to do so.

#63 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-09 12:23 PM | Reply

#45 | Posted by Nuke_Gently

Well here's the thing... Biden was never President. So there isn't a "if the shoe was on the other foot" scenario so sort of a false equivalency there. And frankly given this President's flippant attitude toward and flaunting of the emoluments clause it would be suspicious to begin with.

I'm not saying it is right for Hunter to have taken the job. But and here is the BUT - they are not elected officials. They are the children of them. This is a rather common practice unfortunately and it applies to Democrats as well as Republicans and it happens right here in the USA. IF the job is offered and taken without influence from the representative and as a result does not provide the company with influence over policy then no harm no foul. I mean are we going to ban the relatives of elected officials from working? That said there are some rather obvious cases where it is a matter of there is influence. That's when it becomes an issue.

Hunter Biden went to work for an Oil and Gas company. I get all the arguments. But what business did that company have Biden had any influence over? What did that company get out of Biden? Nothing. That's why even Barr refused to investigate it.

#64 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-12-09 12:36 PM | Reply

I love the meaningless jabs and nonsense from the usual conservatives on this thread. How about someone step up and add something meaningful and defensible if you are backing the President on this. I might add a President and family so corrupt his enterprise running children had to take classes on how not to defraud their charity.

#65 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-12-09 01:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Chalupa has already been investigated as part of both Horowitz' and Durham's probes. There is nothing there because nothing is there.#4 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2019-12-08 08:39 PM | FLAG:

Wow Tony, you get the Durham report before it's even out?

#66 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-12-09 02:17 PM | Reply

I might add a President and family so corrupt his enterprise running children had to take classes on how not to defraud their charity.

#65 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-12-09 01:53 PM | Reply

You won't get any of them to admit that happened.

#67 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-09 02:37 PM | Reply

Republicans have convinced me.

I won't vote for Hunter Biden, Robert Mueller, Lisa Page, Peter Strzok, Eric Ciaramella, Hillary Clinton, Ilhan Omar, James Comey, Barack Obama, Andy McCabe, or a wind turbine in the 2020 Presidential election.

#68 | Posted by JOE at 2019-12-09 02:38 PM | Reply

Wow Tony, you get the Durham report before it's even out?

#66 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

No, but I read information from those in the know:

Although House Republicans keep raising the name Alexandra Chalupa in the impeachment hearings, "an interview that fall with the Democratic consultant at the heart of the accusation that Kyiv meddled, Alexandra Chalupa, was fruitless, a committee source said, and Republicans didn't follow up or request any more witnesses related to the issue."

www.washingtonpost.com

Try it sometimes. Both investigations would have had access to the same information.

#69 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-09 03:18 PM | Reply

Why didn't DemoKKKrats?
#2 | POSTED BY comrade SAWDUST

That's ironic coming from someone that supports little BROWN children being thrown in cages.
Own it Naziboy!

PS. Why do you hate America so much Comrade?

#70 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-12-09 07:02 PM | Reply

The answer is easy why they didn't care in 2014: Benghazi, duh.

For the record, responding to Danforth's point a couple days back re: Hunter Biden; Joe sums up my feelings fairly well:

This just proves how shameless Trump is in grabbing onto anything he can to try to scandalize it, and how moronic his supporters are for falling for it.

#51 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2019-12-09 10:28 AM | REPLY | NEWSWORTHY 1

Layer on top of this Biden's best days for political "combat" are behind him it feels like this will be Clubber Lang v. Rocky round 1 and there's no round 2.

I just want a new president in 2020 - anything can be better than this.

#71 | Posted by AfterMaff at 2019-12-09 07:47 PM | Reply

"HUMTAKE, were you to do so, you'd be the very first Trumpite on this forum to do so."

Funny, I didn't vote for Trump and I haven't supported everything he has said. I even call him deserved names like many others on this site. The only difference is I look at things logically and call out where the logic is good or where it is bad. I don't just take every topic and form an opinion on it based on what party I'm in. This is just more evidence that if you aren't a die hard Liberal and do EVERYTHING like a Liberal wants, then you are a Trumpite according to a Liberal. You basically just enforced almost everything I say in every post. Stop spreading the hate, my friend. Start spreading the recovery instead.

#72 | Posted by humtake at 2019-12-10 12:25 PM | Reply

"I didn't vote for Trump"

Felony conviction, or Russian citizen?

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-10 12:27 PM | Reply

Dunning to Kruger..."see, I told you"

#74 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-12-10 06:32 PM | Reply

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