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Monday, December 09, 2019

A confidential trove of government documents obtained by The Washington Post reveals that senior U.S. officials failed to tell the truth about the war in Afghanistan throughout the 18-year campaign, making rosy pronouncements they knew to be false and hiding unmistakable evidence the war had become unwinnable.

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Some things never change. I just watched Ken Burns history of the Viet Nam war and JFK, LBJ, and Nixon all lied about the war. They all knew it could not be won, partly because they never really decided what "winning" meant.

#1 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2019-12-09 11:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

It's time for Americans to understand that wars are not good options. Our POTUS should stop initiating them.

#2 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-12-09 02:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's dj vu all over again...

OCU

#3 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-12-09 02:45 PM | Reply

Lies: Mother's milk of war.

#4 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2019-12-09 04:17 PM | Reply

#2 | Posted by BruceBanner

While I agree with that, in Afghanistan I don't think there were any good options. War was surely the simplest as the Taliban would never have worked with the US or any other infidels...

#5 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-12-09 04:54 PM | Reply

Yes, lies.

#6 | Posted by LesWit at 2019-12-09 04:54 PM | Reply

Oh Noes! surely the government wouldn't lie to us... The bankers have to make their money...

#7 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-12-09 09:03 PM | Reply

The first casualty in war is the truth.

#8 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-12-09 09:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

They needed documents? The thing was obviously fake after the first week.

#9 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-12-09 09:13 PM | Reply

Didn't Obama call Afghanistan the "Good War"?

#10 | Posted by sawdust at 2019-12-09 10:15 PM | Reply

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Didn't Obama call Afghanistan the "Good War"?

No.

#11 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-12-09 10:23 PM | Reply

I'm not sure who started using the term "Good War", but it was meant to differentiate Afghanistan from Iraq, which was always referred to as the "Bad War".

OCU

#12 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-12-09 11:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No.

That's ok... news doesn't reach all the way up in frozen Canada.

Unlike the dumb' war in Iraq, Afghanistan was portrayed throughout the 2008 election campaign as the 'good' war, providing Obama a foil to demonstrate his toughness on foreign policy.

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#13 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-12-10 01:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm not sure who started using the term "Good War", but it was meant to differentiate Afghanistan from Iraq, which was always referred to as the "Bad War".

Correct.

foreignpolicy.com

Setting the Record Straight on Obama's Afghanistan Promises
The president has tried to rewrite his history in Afghanistan.

Obama came into office determined to get out of Iraq. But I'm old enough to remember when Sen. Obama spoke very highly of the war in Afghanistan.

In fact, he campaigned on a pledge to rededicate our nation's efforts to the "good war."

Obama did not enter office bent on getting out of Afghanistan. He entered office bent on winning in Afghanistan. Those are different things. You can get out of a war anytime you like, so long as you don't care what happens afterwards and are not fighting for anything terribly important. But Obama clearly and repeatedly said he cared, and said he believed that war was vitally important, which is why he wanted to win it, not end it.

#14 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-12-10 01:13 AM | Reply

Itx funny how raggedy little countries like Afghanistan and NKorea can win against the greatest military in the world.

#15 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-12-10 04:01 AM | Reply

"Itx funny how raggedy little countries like Afghanistan and NKorea can win against the greatest military in the world.
Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-12-10 04:01 AM"

A similar question that George III probably asked himself.

#16 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2019-12-10 04:56 AM | Reply

Itx funny how raggedy little countries like Afghanistan .... can win against the greatest military in the world.

Well then it's obviously not the "greatest military in the world" now is it?

If someone said "the most expensive military in the world"... THAT I would believe.

and NKorea

USA will never hurt North Korea.

Here... I'll let a Chinese friend from a Pak-mil forum explain it better:

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#17 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-12-10 06:55 AM | Reply

The CIA told George W. Bush they could take out Osama Bin Laden but George w. Bush wanted a war because "wartime presidents have more power" which he actually did say to his biographer when he was still Gov. of Texas. He planned on privatizing SS with that power but the nation wouldn't buy his lies.

#18 | Posted by danni at 2019-12-10 07:42 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Well we didn't win.... so its like it never happened.

Yours Truly
The Republicl0wns.

#19 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-12-10 08:35 AM | Reply

#19 Considering the article spends a lot of time focusing on the -------- that spun by the OBAMA administration, you may wish to reconsider your idiotic comment.

#20 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-12-10 08:47 AM | Reply

"Some things never change. I just watched Ken Burns history of the Viet Nam war and JFK, LBJ, and Nixon all lied about the war. They all knew it could not be won, partly because they never really decided what "winning" meant."

The disappointing thing is that the left only chooses to crucify LBJ and Nixon over it but gives Kennedy a pass.

"The CIA told George W. Bush they could take out Osama Bin Laden but George w. Bush wanted a war because "wartime presidents have more power" which he actually did say to his biographer when he was still Gov. of Texas. He planned on privatizing SS with that power but the nation wouldn't buy his lies."

That explains Bush. Now do Obama. What's his justification?

#21 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-12-10 08:55 AM | Reply

#21 Don't forget Bill Clinton.

#22 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-12-10 09:11 AM | Reply

Related thread:

What Did the U.S. Get for $2 Trillion in Afghanistan?

drudge.com

#23 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-12-10 09:11 AM | Reply

Other related thread:

Graham: End Taliban in Weeks by Negotiating with Pakistan

drudge.com

#24 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-12-10 09:13 AM | Reply

By far, the most egregious lies about Afghanistan were propagated during the Obama years.

What is amazing to me is that Michael Flynn publicly criticized Obama's handling of Afghanistan in 2015 and 1 year later he was under investigation by Obama's FBI.

Same pattern with Menendez.

Dinesh D'Souza produced a movie critical of Obama and the DOJ responded by throwing everything it had at him for a minor campaign violation for a laundered donation in the amount of a few thousand dollars to a candidate who lost by over 20 points. This crime is not uncommon and is almost always processed with a slap on the wrist and a misdemeanor fine with no jail time. The Obama DOJ sought the death penalty over it.

"A person identified only as a senior National Security Council official said there was constant pressure from the Obama White House and Pentagon to produce figures to show the troop surge of 2009 to 2011 was working, despite hard evidence to the contrary,"

Par for the course when it came to the Obama administration.

#25 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-10 10:29 AM | Reply

It is nice to see some real heavy-hitting investigative reporting.

Kudos to Washington Post.

#26 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-10 10:33 AM | Reply

The Bush administration of course deserves a ton of criticism as well.

The fundamental lack of understanding of the region coupled with PNAC-inspired God-complex set the table for epic incompetence and malfeasance.

#27 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-10 10:38 AM | Reply

Itx funny how raggedy little countries like Afghanistan and NKorea can win against the greatest military in the world.

#15 | Posted by RightisTrite

It has to do with the 'rules of engagement' AND what the people back home are willing to accept as being done in their name.

WWII was probably the last 'good war'. Maybe Korea, but...

OCU

#28 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-12-10 10:46 AM | Reply

Crap article from a crap country. If the US had this type of crap in WW1 or WW2, we wouldn't be America anymore. Basically, the article only goes on to say that we tried many things and had many failures. But that's EXACTLY what most wins are based on. There are a very very very very low number of people who made a good living for themselves that can say they didn't try many things and didn't encounter any failures. It's not the failures that determine a success or loss, it's what you do with them.

That being said, there is no loss here. We just didn't succeed. We didn't succeed because we can't do what it takes to succeed. If America wanted to, we could turn Afghanistan into the 51st state and you can be damn sure we would succeed. It would mean WW3 and constant defense but from a military viewpoint, we can easily succeed in 90% of any country conflict we get in to. We just can't do what it takes because today's world is more about image than it is about doing what is right.

#29 | Posted by humtake at 2019-12-10 12:42 PM | Reply

Obama used diplomacy.
Very legal, very cool.
but still all a lie...

at least Trump is trying to get us out...

#30 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-12-10 05:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

in capitalism "winning" is the metaphor used instead of the more provocative "cash flow"

#31 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-12-10 06:37 PM | Reply

It's time for Americans to understand that wars are not good options. Our POTUS should stop initiating them.

#2 | Posted by BruceBanner

Our current president has NOT started a war!!~

#32 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-12-10 06:49 PM | Reply

Not yet...

OCU

#33 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-12-10 07:30 PM | Reply

" 'It's time for Americans to understand that wars are not good options. Our POTUS should stop initiating them.
#2 | Posted by BruceBanner'

Our current president has NOT started a war!!~
#32 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-12-10 06:49 PM"

Only if you don't count trade wars:

www.piie.com

#34 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2019-12-11 12:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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