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Tuesday, December 10, 2019

President Trump aims to build 166 miles of border barrier in Texas, almost all of it slated to go on private land that the government has yet to acquire -- thousands of parcels along the river, an unknown number of them occupied by their owners, including churches and single-family homes.

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Where are all of the right-wing "less government" folks?
They have all disappeared.
I think they used to claim they were some sort of libertarian?
Must be hiding out what the the "Tea party folk".

#1 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-12-10 07:22 AM | Reply

Where are all of the right-wing "less government" folks?

#1 | Posted by aborted_monson

Those sincere about it are fighting for their land and homes.

Trump's taking Texas for granted. There are plenty of things people here love more than him.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-10 07:56 AM | Reply

Eminent Domain is an abomination in any capacity, including this one. They should just skip over any sections that would require implementing eminent domain.

By that same token, use of ED to widen a highway, build an airport, or put a pipeline through are equally egregious.

#3 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-12-10 08:41 AM | Reply

"Eminent Domain is an abomination in any capacity, including this one. "

It wouldn't be so bad if municipalities didn't insult the property owner with lowball offers. If it's important enough to take the property the government should pay a premium for it.

#4 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-12-10 09:01 AM | Reply

What are they gonna do? Vote for him a second time and then expect a different outcome?

#5 | Posted by zelkova at 2019-12-10 11:06 AM | Reply

Perspective. The one thing partisan haters lack every term. I've read statements made by the parents of people killed by illegal immigrants who would be happy to give up some liberty for security. Yet the current partisan haters, Liberals, choose to ignore the bad because it doesn't fit their narrative. It doesn't make either side right but it adds enough evidence for any person who isn't filled with hate to come to the logical conclusion that just because one person has one opinion, it doesn't mean everyone has that same opinion and that neither side has the right answer. But, DR Libs will just keep on being hate-filled and try to spread as much hate as they can...all the while asking "Why can't we just get along?" Even a huge member of their party has told them to love everyone regardless of opinion and they STILL demonized her for it. The hate in this country isn't from foreign people, just an FYI.

#6 | Posted by humtake at 2019-12-10 12:16 PM | Reply

Doesn't matter.

There are scared old white people all over the country to appease.

#7 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-10 12:38 PM | Reply

"I've read statements made by the parents of people killed by illegal immigrants who would be happy to give up some liberty for security"

I'm sure you have, and equally sure you have no freaking clue how appalling this is. Security is superior to God-given American liberties? You are such a Trumper; you people are on your knees begging for someone to lord over you.

#8 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-10 12:58 PM | Reply

neither side has the right answer

#6 | Posted by humtake at 2019-12-10 12:16 PMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Trumpism isn't a "side". Trumpism is a cult.

#9 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-10 01:00 PM | Reply

This is no defense of building a wall or a fence but these landowners understand they own property along the border of this country. Owning property along the Mexico border comes with understanding the possibility of the Federal Govt appropriating some of that land for various uses.

Easements of various kinds, public utilities, etc....many things.

How much land did the Federal Govt buy in order to build an interstate highway system? (folks living thousands of miles from a border or an ocean who had no expectation of such a change).

we'll get through it....don't worry.

#10 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-10 01:05 PM | Reply

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I've read statements made by the parents of people killed in school shootings who would be happy to give up some liberty for security.
#6 | POSTED BYHUMTAKE

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-10 01:13 PM | Reply

Don't these border dwellers understand that they are in danger from the horde lurking just out of reach in Mediko? Without a wall these people will be taunted by Spanish speakers, pantsed, laughed at, farts will be sent in their general direction, they will be called pig dogs and all other manner of cruel treatment. And no one will have badges! Only by the grace of God have those on the border been spared this treatment already...
--Construction contractors hand-selected by The Trump Crime Family to construct a wall

#12 | Posted by catdog at 2019-12-10 01:24 PM | Reply

we'll get through it....don't worry.

#10 | Posted by eberly at 2019

I didn't know Kansas bordered Mexico.

#13 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-10 01:44 PM | Reply

Well right wing wanted a revolt and it's going to happen should Trump try to seize homes in Texas for his stupid wall.

#14 | Posted by Tor at 2019-12-10 03:18 PM | Reply

It's going to be a real treat, seeing all these landowners invoking their Second Amendment right to protect themselves from a tyrannical government!

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-10 03:22 PM | Reply

Where are the TaliBundy's and their tin horn militias when you need them?

#16 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-12-10 03:37 PM | Reply

Maybe the President will call up the militia to help impose the government's will at gunpoint, just like the Whiskey Rebellion.

I can't wait!

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-10 03:37 PM | Reply

the Chinese..."may you live in interesting times"

the Christians.."forgive them father, for they know not what they do"

the Beatles.."obla-di obla-da life goes on"

Mr Natural.."don't mean s*it"

#18 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-12-10 05:49 PM | Reply

we'll get through it....don't worry.

#10 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2019-12-10 01:05 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

You will. Nobody wants your piece of Kansas. So the platitudes from you might be hard to choke down.

#19 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-12-10 06:28 PM | Reply

"So the platitudes from you might be hard to choke down."

Not for you, Bruthe.

I'm sure you can take anything down your throat.

But it is fun to watch extreme lefties pretend to give a ---- about landowners in Texas.

They'll get through it. And be compensated just fine

#20 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-10 07:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

This might be the only thread in retort history where leftists support private property rights.

#21 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-12-10 07:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

21

Obviously I don't have any data to support this but I'm willing to bet that the majority of land along the Texas Mexico border are owned by people that probably own 20,000 acres or more on average.

Those poor poor landowners! And we have zedsnoofybanner here to defend them.

#22 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-10 07:30 PM | Reply

In a surprising turn, Eberly thinks it's okay to take land from people, provided they're rich.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-10 07:33 PM | Reply

#22

Should it matter whether it's 20,000 acres or 200 square feet?

Should the government be able to take what's yours at anytime for any reason?

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-12-10 07:34 PM | Reply

"This might be the only thread in retort history where leftists support private property rights."

Figures that Nullifidian can't even conceive of a woman's body her own private property.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-10 07:35 PM | Reply

Typical, the right always says drain the swamp. Now they say Save our wetlands.

#26 | Posted by bruceaz at 2019-12-10 07:37 PM | Reply

20 acres, 20,000 acres, who's counting?

What used to be thousands of acres has dwindled to 20. It has no cattle and no crops. But the land still stretches to the edge of the United States. A dirt trail cuts through the brush, sloping down to the river. www.usatoday.com

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-10 07:39 PM | Reply

But it is fun to watch extreme lefties pretend to give a ---- about landowners in Texas.

It's actually been more amusing observing conservatives cheering on this overreach by our government.

I thought republicans were against this type of governmental tyranny.

Remember when Obama was going to invade Texas? Turns out it's Trump.

#28 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-12-10 07:39 PM | Reply

"Should the government be able to take what's yours at anytime for any reason?"

Obviously Eberly's answer is yes, if it's required for national security.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-10 07:40 PM | Reply

Obviously Eberly's answer is yes, if it's required for national security.

What's if it's only needed for a vanity pet project of a petulant oaf?

#30 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-12-10 07:42 PM | Reply

That's not a distinction the courts are likely to make.
For example, the Supreme Court agreed there was a crack epidemic in the 80s, and they'll agree there's an illegal alien epidemic in 2019.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-10 07:45 PM | Reply

Snoofy and Clown are just here in bitterness to continue their 3 year old hissy fit.

If Obama did it, they be here taunting Texas landowners.

#32 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-12-10 07:52 PM | Reply

If Obama did it, they be here taunting Texas landowners.

Funny thing Obama didn't.

Bush did, Trump wants to but the Marxist black man didn't.

#33 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2019-12-10 07:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Should the government be able to take what's yours at anytime for any reason?"

Take or purchase?

#34 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-10 08:02 PM | Reply

Like I posted up thread, the federal government bought way more ground to build an interstate highway system.

I personally know families who will never spend the money they made from that deal.

#35 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-10 08:05 PM | Reply

"Like I posted up thread, the federal government bought way more ground to build an interstate highway system."

The Eisenhower Interstate System had the luxury of being built wherever it was easiest/cheapest to build, within a pretty wide corridor.
The Wall has to go right on the border, unless you want American households to be on the Mexico side of The Wall.

Speaking of Interstates, there's another important difference. One of spirit and intent.

"Our unity as a nation," he said, depended on "individual and commercial movement over a vast system of interconnected highways crisscrossing the country and joining at our national borders with friendly neighbors to the north and south." www.fhwa.dot.gov

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-10 08:13 PM | Reply

"I personally know families who will never spend the money they made from that deal."

Sounds like a bad deal for America.
Trump won't let us get fleeced again.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-10 08:14 PM | Reply

""Should the government be able to take what's yours at anytime for any reason?"
Take or purchase?
#34 | POSTED BY EBERLY"

Take.
When Eminent Domain happens, the government literally makes an offer you can't refuse:
"nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation"
Thanks for reading and understanding.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-10 08:26 PM | Reply

Comparisons to an interstate system border on the absurd. But then i saw who posted them and it makes perfect sense.

#39 | Posted by JOE at 2019-12-10 08:55 PM | Reply

This is a pretty funny discussion.

If taking land for a homeless shelter or redevelopment in the middle of a city is Ok.

Why is land on the edge of our country where nothing is built such an issue?

Isn't this really about not liking a fence?

#40 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-12-10 08:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#39 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2019-12-10 08:55 PM | REPLY ....sniff sniff sniff.....

#41 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-10 09:22 PM | Reply

I know lots of folks who had land and sold it to a municipality.

Nobody got hurt, except the taxpayer in some cases because of the absurd amounts paid for the land.

airport expansions, highway expansions, new football stadium, and a landfill.

I don't want the fence either....just explaining the process and how the landowners will be just fine.

Oh, and watch a bunch of hypocrites pretend to give a ---- about a bunch of millionaire landowners....in Texas. (about to get richer)

#42 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-10 09:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I know lots of folks who had land and sold it to a municipality."

Nope.
They had their land taken, and were given just compensation in return.
They didn't sell it.

If there was a gun roundup, you wouldn't say people sold their guns.
You'd say they had their guns confiscated, and were compensated for their loss.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-10 09:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Wrong, people do indeed sell their land to the govt. voluntarily.

If they refuse, then the concept of eminent domain applies and it's taken....for just compensation

Did you suddenly get as dumb as Joe?

#44 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-10 09:50 PM | Reply

Just mention border security and you can get leftists to sound like free-market libertarians. Next they'll be quoting Atlas Shrugged.

#45 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-12-10 09:52 PM | Reply

"Wrong, people do indeed sell their land to the govt. voluntarily."

They do, but that's not Eminent Domain.

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-10 09:58 PM | Reply

There was one in Hampton, Va when I was a kid where the city ended up building a major intersection around a single house in the middle.

It's still there I think.

#47 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-12-10 10:07 PM | Reply

"If there was a gun roundup, you wouldn't say people sold their guns.
You'd say they had their guns confiscated, and were compensated for their loss."

I'd say communists like you have finally taken over. Despite your fantasies, it's not going to happen comrade.

#48 | Posted by willowby at 2019-12-10 10:34 PM | Reply

Exactly!
It wouldn't be a "sale," like Eberly says.
Thanks for helping make that clear.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-10 10:36 PM | Reply

"Despite your fantasies, it's not going to happen comrade."

Which is why I won't let the perfect be the enemy of the Bernie Sanders for President.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-10 10:37 PM | Reply

Serious question:
Would higher taxes on the rich, universal health care, and government sponsored higher education
still scare the pants off you if you got to keep your guns, Willowby?

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-10 10:40 PM | Reply

Bernie for president. LMOA another fantasy.

#52 | Posted by willowby at 2019-12-10 10:42 PM | Reply

That's what they said about Trump... and Obama...

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-10 10:46 PM | Reply

Neither one was an out and out communist.

#54 | Posted by willowby at 2019-12-10 10:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Sanders has a better chance of having a heart attack then winning a swing state in a general election.

If I'm not mistaken polls have been taken and a convicted child molester has a better chance of being elected then socialist.

#55 | Posted by Tor at 2019-12-10 11:03 PM | Reply

OK, steal these folk's land, build your stupid wall. Guess what? The Gulf of Mexico. When desperate people want to leave where they are and travel to where they think they might be safe they will figure out a way. If not by land them they will travel by sea and, here in South Florida, we can prove it. The Wall is a political stunt, won't accomplish anything and is going to cost billions of dollars. Come down to Miami and let us teach you the realities of immigration. Y'all don't have a clue, that is the truth.
And, the most important lesson you'll learn, if you're brave enough to come down here and be taught. We have one of the strongest economies in the nation BECAUSE of immigration. What y'all see as a negative is actually a positive. Who's going to care for your elderly mother or father? Huh? Who's going to replace your roof? Our birthrate has been sort of low so we need immigrants to replace the children we didn't have or else we won't have the labor we need to do all the jobs. Americans are their own worst enemies. I actually get along better with immigrants.

#56 | Posted by danni at 2019-12-11 06:45 AM | Reply

Serious question:
Would higher taxes on the rich, universal health care, and government sponsored higher education
still scare the pants off you if you got to keep your guns, Willowby?

#51 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I think Comrade Willoby's guns need to be "grabbed" as he has shown he doesn't have the proper mental capacity to own one. I'd take his guns and melt them down and turn them into Obama peace coins, which would piss off his racist arse to no end.

#57 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-12-11 07:12 AM | Reply

If I'm not mistaken polls have been taken and a convicted child molester has a better chance of being elected then socialist.

#55 | POSTED BY TOR

Which just shows the gullibility of the American electorate, which has been deliberately "dumbed down" by 40+ years of "conservative" legislation and propaganda.

#58 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-12-11 08:19 AM | Reply

Liars pretend victims are getting fair value for land.

The evidence is against that.

The government takes and low-balls owners.

#59 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-12-11 09:36 AM | Reply

EBERLY is deploying all the con tricks in one thread! Watch and learn kids. Lies, bigotry, I-know-some-guys evidence.

Ha ha ha

#60 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-12-11 09:38 AM | Reply

The government takes and low-balls owners.

#59 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

This is certainly true with Kelo.

Problem is these cases tend to be under-reported by the press, so I can't discern whether or not the higher-profile cases are outliers or are a microcosm.

#61 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-11 09:44 AM | Reply

"Liars pretend victims are getting fair value for land.
the evidence is against that.
The government takes and low-balls owners."

what evidence? let's see it

show me where the govt has low-balled landowners?

they have, I'm sure. But you are under the impression I'm making everything up and that nobody ever makes out like a bandit when the govt purchases property from private landowners.

everybody gets screwed? really?

I also know folks who haven't fared as well. Not because they weren't offered a fair price for their land because they didn't sell their land. Rather, the value of their land went down because a highway was re-located closer to their property and because you could see it and hear it....their home probably dropped in value.....they were compensated for that....but not to their satisfaction.

#62 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-11 10:38 AM | Reply

Here is an article discussing the tactics of the govt when trying to acquire land for a fence.

www.texastribune.org

winners and losers in there. No surprise, those who could afford expensive representation fared much better

#63 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-11 10:42 AM | Reply

"Lies, bigotry, I-know-some-guys evidence.
Ha ha ha"

you poor thing.....

#64 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-11 10:43 AM | Reply

#63 You're catching up.

#64 You like it when you have nothing to lose, but you'll cry like a stuck pig when you come within a thousand miles of becoming a victim. your snowflake talk is simply projection of your fears and ignorance.

#65 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-12-11 11:31 AM | Reply

"No surprise, those who could afford expensive representation fared much better'

Doesn't that gives credence to the belief the first attempt is to low-ball?

#66 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-11 11:33 AM | Reply

This might be the only thread in retort history where leftists support private property rights.

#21 | Posted by nullifidian

How about we go for another DR first- a thread where you say something worth reading.

#67 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-11 11:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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yes. Of course. Ever buy or sell real estate?

It's always a negotiation.

But my original point, that's been molested by the likes of bruthe, is that the vast majority of land along our border is owned by folks that own a lot of land and have the negotiation power to get MORE that it's otherwise worth. And bruthe doesn't give a crap about them.

He's just pretending to because he doesn't like the fence in the first place.

I don't like it either....but if this all happens.....we'll learn later the taxpayers are the who's getting screwed....not the vast majority of the landowners.

#68 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-11 11:45 AM | Reply

Funny thing Obama didn't.

Bush did, Trump wants to but the Marxist black man didn't.

#33 | Posted by TaoWarrior

Don't expect "C-c-conservatives" to grasp that one.

#69 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-11 11:45 AM | Reply

The Wall has to go right on the border, unless you want American households to be on the Mexico side of The Wall.

Not to mention some areas will see US territory walled off because the shortest distance for the wall construction is to cut it off.

The wall is a joke. So are "c-c-conservatives" for arguing in favor of eminent domain to construct (upgrade mostly...) a joke.

#70 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-11 11:47 AM | Reply

Oh, and watch a bunch of hypocrites pretend to give a ---- about a bunch of millionaire landowners....in Texas. (about to get richer)

#42 | Posted by eberly

Nice strawman.

The issue is an ineffective wall being built by multiple questionable practices to appease the narcissist schitbag in chief.

Look at the bigger picture ebs, I promise it won't hurt.

#71 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-11 11:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

71

Hold on....my posts on this thread aren't a defense for the wall...in fact, I've stated I am against it.

I'm just pointing out that you can all put away your tissues over the poor poor landowners in a red state.

Nobody is buying.

THAT is the strawman argument made in this thread.

#72 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-11 11:52 AM | Reply

yes. Of course. Ever buy or sell real estate?

It's always a negotiation.

You even said it yourself above-if an offer isn't accepted the government will simply take it and give what they want.

You yourself admitted that this isn't run of the mill "buy or sell real estate" transactions.

#73 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-11 11:53 AM | Reply

THAT is the strawman argument made in this thread.

#72 | Posted by eberly

Or maybe it does hurt...

Because you seemed to glance at it, then went right back to the myopic postings in line with the rest of the thread.

#74 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-11 11:54 AM | Reply

"The government takes and low-balls owners.
#59 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER
This is certainly true withKelo."

It's also true with people who had their Texas border land seized for fencing 12-ish years ago.

But it will be different this time!
Eberly said so.

#75 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-11 11:55 AM | Reply

I've been opposed to eminent domain for only the most necessary purposes since the Kelo decision came down in 2005. The necessity of a wall beyond what we already have is, admittedly, a very complex question that involves trade, immigration, drug policy, etc. Upon reviewing the extensive research cited in the following link, i do not think expanding the wall is of such emergent need that eminent domain should be used for it.
journalistsresource.org

This is completely without regard to the racist ------- pursuing the wall for highly questionable purposes.

#76 | Posted by JOE at 2019-12-11 11:57 AM | Reply

"I'm just pointing out that you can all put away your tissues over the poor poor landowners in a red state."

You have difficulty with emotions that aren't scorn, Eberly.

Congratulations, you built that!

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-11 11:58 AM | Reply

-You even said it yourself above-if an offer isn't accepted the government will simply take it and give what they want.

Where did I say that?

#78 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-11 12:00 PM | Reply

Wrong, people do indeed sell their land to the govt. voluntarily.

If they refuse, then the concept of eminent domain applies and it's taken....for just compensation

Did you suddenly get as dumb as Joe?

#44 | Posted by eberly

Not exactly "buying and selling real estate", is it?

#79 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-11 12:01 PM | Reply

Eberly takes 63 posts to finally google the thing he's pontificating on. Then acts like he doesn't have his pants around his ankles. Trumpism is a disease that causes one to lose their self-respect.

#80 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-12-11 12:07 PM | Reply

79

not sure what you mean. seriously.

and understand I'm trying to ignore the goatman wannabees around here in his absence.

#81 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-11 12:09 PM | Reply

Does this ------ seriously not know that the government will take land anyway when they can't reach a deal with the landowner?

#82 | Posted by JOE at 2019-12-11 12:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trumpism is a disease....that you suffer from, Bruthe.

not me. I'm not mentioning, defending, invoking, referencing, advocating anything related to Trump.

here's a tip if you want to not be plonked....read my posts not the trolling goatmanish posts from Snoofy.

#83 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-11 12:13 PM | Reply

If the buyer can make an offer then simply take it and give you what they deem "fair value" that's not really a just or normal negotiation.

There are plenty of examples of people doing well with eminent domain and plenty of examples of people doing poorly in eminent domain cases.

But that's besides the point.

The point is that this travesty wall is being funded by inappropriate means and looks like it's going to be built by inappropriate means. And yes, I'm against eminent domain except in very particular situations.

Rare and limited enough in scope that there shouldn't even be negotiations over compensation because it's being done in good faith.

#84 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-11 12:15 PM | Reply

Does liljoe realize that's not really my point?

The point is that red state landowners is the LAST thing liljoe cares about.

He's just pretending because it's about the fence itself, to him.

It's not like he's ever actually bought or sold anything of value and understands the process.

Let me put it in terms maybe you'll understand........

the article estimates 166 miles of land will be needed. 155.5 of that line is owned by Trump voters.

Is that better? easy enough to understand now?

#85 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-11 12:17 PM | Reply

"There are plenty of examples of people doing well with eminent domain.."

Not exactly. Eminent domain refers to the act of forcing the sale of the property "for just compensation".

The voluntary sale involving offer, counter-offer, counter-offer, etc. until finally..."deal!" is NOT the government invoking eminent domain.

I've done a brief search to see if there are any stats on what % of government land purchases involve the actual invocation of eminent domain and I can't find it.

maybe someone else can....but I'm willing to guess that it's a very small %.

#86 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-11 12:21 PM | Reply

. "And yes, I'm against eminent domain except in very particular situations."

same here...and the Helo case is a great example of government overreach in the usage of Eminent domain.

#87 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-11 12:23 PM | Reply

The point is that red state landowners is the LAST thing liljoe cares about.

I expressed my thoughts on eminent domain regardless of who the landowner is. If you don't want to accept that as genuine, that's your problem.

the Helo case

Lol.

#88 | Posted by JOE at 2019-12-11 12:27 PM | Reply

"If you don't want to accept that as genuine, that's your problem."

I'll just have to drag that burden with me.

LOL

#89 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-11 12:29 PM | Reply

#86 the linked article states many plots are already being acquired under the condemnation process.

Hardly an offer, counter offer negotiation.

#90 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-11 12:29 PM | Reply

"The point is that red state landowners is the LAST thing liljoe cares about."

Oh, I think I see what Eberly is saying.

It's because they're Democrats that Joe cares.

By that same token, It's because they're Democrats that Eberly is fine with the government seizing their land to feed Trump's ego.

#91 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-11 12:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Eberly's "point" is about the personal politics of anonymous commenters on an internet blog, rather than the merits of using eminent domain for a wall.

He's like a middle school girl.

#92 | Posted by JOE at 2019-12-11 12:35 PM | Reply

"The voluntary sale involving offer, counter-offer, counter-offer, etc. until finally..."deal!" is NOT the government invoking eminent domain."

I told you that yesterday, Eberly, and you wisely responded by having a meltdown.

#93 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-11 12:36 PM | Reply

Trumpism is a disease....that you suffer from, Bruthe.
not me. I'm not mentioning, defending, invoking, referencing, advocating anything related to Trump.

#83 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2019-12-11 12:13 PM | FLAG:

You don't know what the word means. You're that deep.

"here's a tip if you want to not be plonked....read my posts...."

Go ahead if you like. I know you don't venture into places where your feelings might get hurt.

#94 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-12-11 12:38 PM | Reply

"the linked article states many plots are already being acquired under the condemnation process."

This is what I saw in the article......

"On Friday, the federal government filed its first land acquisition case to condemn nearly 13 acres of private property in the Rio Grande Valley, a parcel near the river levee in Hidalgo County. The owner was offered $93,449 in compensation for the land."

So far, 1 person has been offered over $7K an acre for his land....I have no idea if that's a fair offer or not.

I get it that the landowner doesn't want to sell and I don't know why....it's none of my business.

#95 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-11 12:47 PM | Reply

"I'm not mentioning, defending, invoking, referencing, advocating anything related to Trump."

Actually you are, Eberly.
You're doing a "---- their feelings" when it comes to Joe and poor people living on the border.
You might as well be making some arm flapping motions to ridicule Joe while you're at it.

#96 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-11 12:49 PM | Reply

"So far, 1 person has been offered over $7K an acre for his land....I have no idea if that's a fair offer or not."

Yesterday, you were sure that they would be compensated well in excess of the value of their land, Eberly.
What happened?
???

#97 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-11 12:49 PM | Reply

-You might as well be making some arm flapping motions to ridicule Joe while you're at it.

It's enough I lowered myself to even address the little twerp even once. Same goes to you.

You don't want to discuss anything...you just want to goatroll. that's it.

not interested.

#98 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-11 12:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"It's enough I lowered myself to even address the little twerp even once."

Well I suppose it's nice that you can acknowledge you're up there on your high horse, telling us peasants what we think.

#99 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-11 12:55 PM | Reply

Last Christmas, I gave you my heart:

They'll get through it. And be compensated just fine
#20 | POSTED BY EBERLY

The very next day, you gave it away:

So far, 1 person has been offered over $7K an acre for his land....I have no idea if that's a fair offer or not.
#95 | POSTED BY EBERLY

#100 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-11 12:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Socialism is, among other things, eminent domain on steroids.

#101 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-12-11 01:08 PM | Reply

Snoofgoat has caught me. I have to acknowledge that perhaps someone won't be fairly compensated, at least in their eyes, for their land.

"poor people living on the border."

LOL

#102 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-11 01:09 PM | Reply

Which is why most of us are against the full on socialism your ilk keeps screaming about. We want social safety programs that would provide security for a greater number of our population. Health insurance shouldnt be just for those that can afford it. Nobody should ever go bankrupt because they became ill.

#103 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2019-12-11 01:11 PM | Reply

"poor people living on the border."
LOL
#102 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Look at the map, dummy.
It's all blue, along the border:
en.wikipedia.org

#104 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-11 01:18 PM | Reply

#103 I commend you for being a good person in a sea of bad people.

#105 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-11 01:19 PM | Reply

I like how Eberly went on a hugely successful mission to make this a thread about Eberly's own ignorance.

Congratulations, you built that!

#106 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-11 01:21 PM | Reply

like I said, 95% of the 166 acres are probably owned by Trump voters.

#107 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-11 01:21 PM | Reply

see what you did, snoofgoat?

I made the mistake of talking with you and look what happened.....Joe, JPW, and bruce all moved on.

you smell that bad.

nobody should ever engage you. I have no idea how Jeff does it. He has a patience level that I don't.

but.....I'm done talking with you again....you've worn me out.

#108 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-11 01:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is what I saw in the article......

I can't go back to the article without a subscription so I can't C&P the line but I thought it said near the end of the article that the government has initiated many lawsuits for condemnation of plots that haven't responded to the letters.

#109 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-11 01:35 PM | Reply

Socialism is, among other things, eminent domain on steroids.

#101 | Posted by nullifidian

Oh looks, the 1950's showed up.

#110 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-11 01:36 PM | Reply

JPW, this??...

"The letters landowners have been receiving are the first step in what can be a contentious process, with the government seeking "right of entry" to conduct surveys on the properties and unfettered access for 12 to 18 months. Most landowners consent at first contact and eventually sell, according to attorneys familiar with the eminent domain process.

A growing number of South Texans have not signed those letters and are facing federal lawsuits seeking access to their land. Some said in interviews they have refused to sign because they have concerns about the process or oppose the border wall project."

#111 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-11 01:41 PM | Reply

"Socialism is, among other things, eminent domain on steroids."

What a weird thing for a Trumper to say about Trump's glorious Wall.

#112 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-11 01:42 PM | Reply

#108 I moved on because you're hopeless. No need to blame anyone else.

#113 | Posted by JOE at 2019-12-11 01:43 PM | Reply

"but.....I'm done talking with you again....you've worn me out.
#108 | POSTED BY EBERLY"

Eberly's all cried out?
There, there, Eberly.

#114 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-11 01:44 PM | Reply

Rough day for Eberly.
Over in the abortion thread, he didn't know what "mandated" meant either.

#115 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-11 01:47 PM | Reply

So far, 1 person has been offered over $7K an acre for his land....I have no idea if that's a fair offer or not."

The land they want to build on first is not wilderness. It is urban and suburban near McAllen Texas. mostly. Cheap lots in the Rio Grande Valley sell around $20k for a 1/4 acre lot outside of town. My wife and i intend to retire there and have been watching land prices for years. The Rio Grande valley near McAllen is one long run on city where there there is no place between towns. The land being taken first is residential land in Hidalgo.

#116 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-12-11 09:40 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

"Figures that Nullifidian can't even conceive of a woman's body her own private property."

It is ironic how women talk about men exerting authority over their bodies and forcing them into complying, when that is essentially what the woman is doing to her child when she decides to end its life.

#117 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-12-12 06:11 AM | Reply

Very little sympathy for Texans, they voted for this guy, they supported him, he is doing what he said he would do. Next time listen to what the potential dictator says he wants to do before you stupidly help put him in office.

#118 | Posted by danni at 2019-12-12 06:56 AM | Reply

"It is ironic how women talk about men exerting authority over their bodies and forcing them into complying, when that is essentially what the woman is doing to her child when she decides to end its life."

No, you're simply wrong. It is not ironic. It is women who know the realities of their lives ignoring pompous a******s like you and doing what they believe is the right thing to do for themselves and their already born children. They know better than you do what they need, what their already born children need, their doctors do to. Probably, the best course of action is for you to stay out of their business.

#119 | Posted by danni at 2019-12-12 06:59 AM | Reply

Security is superior to God-given American liberties? You are such a Trumper; you people are on your knees begging for someone to lord over you.
#8 | POSTED BY ZED

Zed, what are your thoughts on assault weapons bans, gun-free zones, red flag laws, et al? Asking for a friend...

#120 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-12-12 08:41 AM | Reply

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