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Wednesday, December 11, 2019

House Democrats are moving to impeach President Donald Trump for pressuring Ukraine to interfere in the 2020 presidential election partly in exchange for a White House meeting. Ukraine's leaders ultimately chose not to interfere, and they didn't get that White House meeting.

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How much Israeli intel did the dotard spill this time?

#1 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2019-12-10 05:21 PM | Reply

Just getting his instructions for the new year.
Usually they won't even allow Trump an interpreter... let alone a record of what is said.

#2 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2019-12-10 06:04 PM | Reply

Benedict Donald is a russian asset/puppet.

Trump-Barr/Prison 2020

#3 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-12-10 07:39 PM | Reply

@#1 ... How much Israeli intel did the dotard spill this time? ...

It remains to be seen.

Here's what happened as a result of the last Oval Office party Pres Trump threw for the Russians...

Horrified' Israeli intel officials were shouting at US counterparts' over Trump leak
www.timesofisrael.com

...US President Donald Trump's reported sharing of a highly classified Israeli tip with Russia led to incredibly tense meetings between Israeli and American intelligence officials, Foreign Policy Magazine reported Friday.

The Israelis reportedly shouted at their US counterparts, demanding an explanation for Trump's actions, according to the magazine, which quoted a US defense official.

"To them, it's horrifying," the official said. "Their first question was: What is going on? What is this?'" ...


#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-12-10 07:59 PM | Reply

Trump gave Russia's top envoy a White House meeting. He still hasn't done that for Ukraine

Putin was sending a message to Ukraine's Zelensky: that he owns Trump; that just because Ukraine got some $ from the US, they shouldn't think that the US will help them if Russia decides to invade.

#5 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2019-12-10 08:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

So, Trump 100% cleared of any Russian collusion by Mueller via a $45M US government investigation + multiple house and senate investigations and yet he is still a Russian agent and you libs happily spout that nonsense to your brainless collective. However, Obama being a Muslim or born in Kenya is a complete nutter nonsense in your minds despite this never being investigated and multiple sources stating it to be a fact. You don't realize that you have simply out InfoWar'ed, InfoWars....much like Maddow and CNN have become so nutty that Fox News now seems sane. I am just trying to understand the level of delusion you currently have as it seems you are conspiracy nuts - but limit your nuttiness to only those things anti-Trump. Strange, as usually those that far off from reality embrace all sorts of conspiracies like Flat Earth, etc. Seems like you douches may have just formed a new category for the DSM. Way to go!

#6 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-12-10 08:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

However, Obama being a Muslim or born in Kenya is a complete nutter nonsense in your minds despite this never being investigated and multiple sources stating it to be a fact.

This is where I stopped reading. What a loon.

#7 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2019-12-10 08:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#6 ... So, Trump 100% cleared of any Russian collusion by Mueller ...

That is not correct, but I suspect you know that already.

#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-12-10 08:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#8 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Trump was 100% cleared of any Russian Collusion - Mueller was 100% clear on that point. Now, if you want to discuss obstruction of justice, you may have a leg to stand on....but the collusion hoax is over.

#9 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-12-10 09:06 PM | Reply

"This is where I stopped reading. What a loon.
#7 | POSTED BY LEFTCOASTLAWYER"

So my test is complete. You braindead Lefties have the ability to spot a nonsense conspiracy theory....just not when it relates to Trump. I think Trump Derangement Syndrome will be included in the DSM-6.

#10 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-12-10 09:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Putin was sending a message to Ukraine's Zelensky: that he owns Trump; that just because Ukraine got some $ from the US, they shouldn't think that the US will help them if Russia decides to invade.

Zelensky already knows this. It's not mistake that Lavarov got an Oval Office meeting on the same day Zelensky met with Putin. Putin is a straight up gangster and Trump is his willing dimwitted dupe. Putin walked in the room and dictated terms to Zelensky and told him, "You better take what I give you because the next offer and every offer after that will be worse. Who you gonna call? Call Trump. My man is in the Oval right now giving him my instructions. Bend over dude, Vlady's coming home."

Every single second Ukraine remains in the news vis-a-vis Trump - and his reticence to unilaterally back them along with his eagerness to criticize them - weakens Ukraine's position. This is precisely what Putin wants.

#11 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-10 09:08 PM | Reply

@#9 ... Trump was 100% cleared of any Russian Collusion - Mueller was 100% clear on that point. ...

So can you provide a quote from the Mueller report to that effect?

thx.

#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-12-10 09:12 PM | Reply

Huge rally in PA...MAGA

#13 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2019-12-10 09:15 PM | Reply

"Zelensky already knows this. It's not mistake that Lavarov got an Oval Office meeting on the same day Zelensky met with Putin. Putin is a straight up gangster and Trump is his willing dimwitted dupe.
#11 | POSTED BY TONYROMA"

Strange - as I remember Putin taking Crimea while that turd Obama was fouling up the Oval office...and then he had separatist take over about Eastern portion of Ukraine and again, the turd Obama did nothing but send boxes of tissues to Ukraine to mop up their tears. Oh yeah, I remember, is was that turd Obama that thought it was a good idea to tell the Russians he would be in a better position to bend over and take a Russian missile up his --------- after the election in his 'hot mic' moment.

But yeah, it is the guy that sent Ukraine lethal weapons, slapped drastic economic sanctions on them, and destroyed their economy by encouraging fracking that is the Russian agent.

TDS will be part of DSM-6.

#14 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-12-10 09:25 PM | Reply

This is precisely what Putin wants.

And this brings up a subject I've yet to see anyone address. When Romney said that Russia was our biggest geopolitical threat in 2012 he was wrong at that moment. China was a far more powerful economic and strategic foe, dwarfing Russia's power and reach outside of their nukes.

What has made his comment seem prophetic today is how Trump all by his own actions has made it come true. Imagine if Trump, like Obama tried, had joined in rebuking Russia for their interference instead of amplifying it in 2016. What if Trump put all his power into thwarting Russian disinformation espionage and joined western allied nations to unify new defenses and recognition of their illegal meddling all around the globe. We could have placed further international sanctions on Russia's one-horse oil-based economy and starved them into compliance. The rest of the world could have limited Russian access in the global financial markets until they brought their criminality into line. All of these things would have neutered Russia if Trump (or any US president) was an integral part of such an international effort.

But Trump has done everything in the opposite. Instead of being a pariah, Russia is now ascendent in Trump's view as he tries to undermine their deserved sanctions while dismissing their invasion and occupation of another sovereign nation. He ignores their subversive actions and actively deflects blame for their actions onto others.

Trump is the chief reason for Russia being more than a 2nd world nation with nukes if one looks at how he's changed the trajectory of their fortunes. Whether Trump knows it or not, he has been the greatest global Russian asset in modern history. Want more proof? Look at Russia's approval ratings amongst US Republicans. The proof is in the pudding.

#15 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-10 09:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Strange - as I remember Putin taking Crimea while that turd Obama was fouling up the Oval office...and then he had separatist take over about Eastern portion of Ukraine and again, the turd Obama did nothing but send boxes of tissues to Ukraine to mop up their tears.

What exactly would you have supported that Obama should have done? Ukraine isn't in NATO, we had no defense agreements with them to send troops for their protection. Ignorant morons only make such stupid remarks. Obama did what the other nations opposing the invasion did, put sanctions on Russia in the attempt to make their invasion more costly for them to stay than to retreat.

#16 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-10 09:46 PM | Reply

@#6 ... So, Trump 100% cleared of any Russian collusion by Mueller ..

Another (R)tard that hasn't read word one of the Mueller report.

#17 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-12-10 10:00 PM | Reply

"What exactly would you have supported that Obama should have done?
#16 | POSTED BY TONYROMA"

Well, he could have sent lethal aid like Trump did. He could have put in severe economic sanctions, like Trump did. He could have take electronic warfare steps after Russia tried to interfere with our election - but he didn't.

So, I ask the same to you now. What action could Trump take today that would make you believe he is not a Russian agent? Serious question because complete inaction - like Obama - makes you think he is not an agent. Also, actively confronting Russia militarily and economically does make you think he is an agent. Seems like you set up a can't win scenario so please define for us what Trump should do.

In my opinion - American First, that is our priority. As such, Russia is not a threat.

#18 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-12-10 10:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"What action could Trump take today that would make you believe he is not a Russian agent?"

Permitting the witnesses requested by the House to testify, for starters.
Releasing his tax returns, for starters.
Releasing the unedited audio recordings of his phone calls with Ukraine and Putin.

There's got to be more, but those should be enough to keep you spinning for the rest of the evening.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-10 10:04 PM | Reply

Well, he could have sent lethal aid like Trump did.

Under the rules of the sale, the Javelin missiles have to be stored in western Ukraine, which is far from the frontlines of the ongoing conflict in the eastern part of the country (the Donbas region) against pro-Russia separatists.

In short, the Javelins were essentially provided to Ukraine under the condition that they not be used in the conflict zone.

Accordingly, the Javelins have yet to be used in the fighting, though US personnel are training some Ukrainian forces how to use them against tanks. www.businessinsider.com

He could have put in severe economic sanctions, like Trump did.
On 29 December 2016, US President Barack Obama signed an order that expels 35 Russian diplomats, locks down two Russian diplomatic compounds, and expands sanctions against Russia for its interference in the 2016 United States elections.

The Trump administration reportedly looked into lifting US sanctions on Russia just days after the president's inauguration, and one former official at the State Department said that if those efforts were successful, it would have given the Russians "exactly what they wanted in exchange for absolutely nothing." www.businessinsider.com

He could have take electronic warfare steps after Russia tried to interfere with our election - but he didn't.
President Obama, angered by Russian hacking during the 2016 elections, authorized a covert cyber operation to deploy "implants" in Russian networks that could be triggered remotely in retaliation to any future cyber aggression by Moscow, The Washington Post reported Friday.

The Post said the operation, still in its early stages, had been signed off on by Obama and authorized U.S. agencies to carry out the program, even into the new administration. www.usatoday.com

You are one ignorant mofo. Do you understand how to use a search engine? Do you ever look up the lies that people intentionally force down your gullet so that they can control you?

So much ignorance, so little time....

#20 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-10 10:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"He could have take electronic warfare steps after Russia tried to interfere with our election - but he didn't."

Dang.
State's Rights is bleeding from the mouth and rectum after that one.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-10 10:41 PM | Reply

"Permitting the witnesses requested by the House to testify, for starters."

About a Ukraine phone call? Are you serious?

"Releasing his tax returns, for starters."

IRS has his tax return as did Mueller. You think Mueller is in on the conspiracy too?

"Releasing the unedited audio recordings of his phone calls with Ukraine and Putin.
#19 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

That is just plain stupid and would be a horrible foreign policy precedent. Further, for Ukraine, you had like 15 people sitting in and they have all testified - what do you think you will find?

Based on your suggestions, I find you to not be very serious. Seems you just want to whine.

#22 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-12-10 10:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The CA-NY gang...another example of the reason for the EC.

#23 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2019-12-10 11:16 PM | Reply

"The CA-NY gang...another example of the reason for the EC."

Until it comes time to collect the taxes, of course....

#24 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-10 11:20 PM | Reply

#24 | POSTED BY DNCDAN

So you don't think the poor pay enough taxes?

#25 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-12-10 11:37 PM | Reply

"So you don't think the poor pay enough taxes?'

I think CA and NY pay more than the other states. You know...Actual Math, instead of Republican Math.

Folks line GA want their money, just not their opinions.

#26 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-11 12:11 AM | Reply

Trump was 100% cleared of any Russian Collusion - Mueller was 100% clear on that point.

#9 | Posted by iragoldberg

Mueller did NOT exonerate Trump of anything. He simply stated that there was insufficient evidence to make a criminal case. But he explained that if White House staff and other individuals had cooperated more fully, that perhaps that situation would have been different. In fact, Mueller stated that several members of the Trump campaign lied to investigators about their interactions and relationships with Russian operatives and that these lies prevented Mueller and his people from coming to a definitive conclusion about the level of cooperation that may have existed between the Trump campaign and the Russian government or its agents.

May I suggest that you read the report before you start to make any more statements about what the Mueller Report did or did not say about Trump and people who worked on his campaign.

OCU

#27 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-12-11 12:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Mueller did NOT exonerate Trump of anything. He simply stated that there was insufficient evidence to make a criminal case....

OCU

#27 | POSTED BY OCUSER

Given the amount of resources that were poured into his 2 year investigation....that he didn't find evidence strongly suggests it's because it wasn't there in the first place.

#28 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-11 12:50 AM | Reply

"If we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so"
~Robert Mueller

Jerry Nadler: "Did You Actually Totally Exonerate the President"

"No"
~Robert Mueller

Any claim Trump was 100% exonerated is a bald-faced lie. Anyone claiming it is a bald-faced liar.

#29 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-11 12:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

There is insufficient evidence to prove YOU are not guilty of a crime. So what.

#30 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2019-12-11 01:16 AM | Reply

@#28 ... Given the amount of resources that were poured into his 2 year investigation....that he didn't find evidence ...

He found evidence.

You really should read the report.

#31 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-12-11 11:02 AM | Reply

So, Trump 100% cleared of any Russian collusion by Mueller via a $45M US government investigation + multiple house and senate investigations and yet he is still a Russian agent and you libs happily spout that nonsense to your brainless collective.

String a few more lies in there iraschitberg.

It'll still just be a string of lies.

#32 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-11 12:06 PM | Reply

TDS will be part of DSM-6.

#14 | Posted by iragoldberg

Yes, Trump ---------- Syndrome will definitely be added.

Should be added as a reason to disqualify voters as well.

#33 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-11 12:08 PM | Reply

Given the amount of resources that were poured into his 2 year investigation....that he didn't find evidence strongly suggests it's because it wasn't there in the first place.

#28 | Posted by JeffJ

Wow. The IG report really has released you from that torture of trying to appear impartial or at least interested in truth.

#34 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-11 12:11 PM | Reply

#6 | POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG

Obama was investigated...by Trump (of all people)!

Is your memory that limited?

#35 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-12-11 12:17 PM | Reply

IRA -

Obama's assistance to the Ukraine was far more nuanced than you are admitting here on the Retort (making your retort flimsy at best):

Gaetz said, "Barack Obama put a permanent stop on this military aid to the Ukraine - he never allowed it to go."

Obama did not permanently stop military aid to Ukraine.

The element of truth in Gaetz's statement is the Obama administration did not provide lethal military aid that Ukraine asked for in 2014. However, it did provide other military equipment and training. The United States has provided $1.6 billion in security assistance to Ukraine since 2014, on average $300 million a year.

This statement rates Mostly False.
www.politifact.com

"But, but, but mah javelin missiles!"

#36 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-12-11 12:25 PM | Reply

Given the amount of resources that were poured into his 2 year investigation....that he didn't find evidence strongly suggests it's because it wasn't there in the first place.
#28 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Or that it was covered up. And considering Trump's actions (obstruction tied to Mueller report and, more recently, keeping witnesses from testifying in an impeachment inquiry), the latter seems probable in the least. Yet all those resources, and the monies gained through wielding those resources (i.e., an investigation that resulted in being revenue neutral) were put to waste?

Then you consider this:

The probe, which lasted from May 2017 to March 2019, led to more than 100 criminal charges being filed against three Russian companies and 34 individuals, including half a dozen former Trump advisors.

You folks make it seem like the Mueller probe was a waste. Funny how you perceive justice and its cost in this day and age.

WTF? You're just not on your a game today, are you? Too much bleach in the tub, bud.

#37 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-12-11 12:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Further, for Ukraine, you had like 15 people sitting in and they have all testified - what do you think you will find?"

Why rely on hearsay when there is direct evidence?
???

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-11 12:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Further, for Ukraine, you had like 15 people sitting in and they have all testified - what do you think you will find?

#22 | Posted by iragoldberg

We found that virtually all of them agreed that the actions that Trump took was ill-advised and inappropriate at best, and potentially illegal at worst.

OCU

#39 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-12-11 02:58 PM | Reply

So, Trump 100% cleared of any Russian collusion by Mueller via a $45M US government investigation + multiple house and senate investigations and yet he is still a Russian agent and you libs happily spout that nonsense to your brainless collective. However, Obama being a Muslim or born in Kenya is a complete nutter nonsense in your minds despite this never being investigated and multiple sources stating it to be a fact. You don't realize that you have simply out InfoWar'ed, InfoWars....much like Maddow and CNN have become so nutty that Fox News now seems sane. I am just trying to understand the level of delusion you currently have as it seems you are conspiracy nuts - but limit your nuttiness to only those things anti-Trump. Strange, as usually those that far off from reality embrace all sorts of conspiracies like Flat Earth, etc. Seems like you douches may have just formed a new category for the DSM. Way to go!

#6 | Posted by iragoldberg

Your post was a lie from the very first sentence.

I'd love to hear your theory on why nearly every foreign policy decision trump makes just happens to be something that helps russia.

#40 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-12-11 07:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Huge NAZI rally in PA...Make Russia Great Again

#13 | POSTED BY crappy anti-American AT 2019-12-10 09:15 PM | REPLY

There fixed it for you, accuracy reasons.

#41 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-12-12 12:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So, Trump 100% cleared of any Russian collusion by Mueller via a $45M US government investigation

That just plain bullschitt

#42 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-12-12 07:15 AM | Reply

"Permitting the witnesses requested by the House to testify, for starters."

About a Ukraine phone call? Are you serious?

You mean the phone call where The President actually tried to get a foreign leader to interfere in our upcoming elections?

Yeah that would be a good idea since Congress is impeaching him for that.

Abuse of power and obstruction of justice are frowned upon by anyone who is actually doing their duty to uphold their oaths of office.

Quit complaining about the process that you are trying to undermine. You ok with a President who withholds lifesaving aid in order to get a foreign leader to investigate his political rivals??

?

Dont answer. It does not matter. It's going to the senate for a trial.

Trump had a chance to defend himself and Republicans have not done a very good job and trump or his lawyers didn't even show up. So it's going to the senate for a trial. Let's see how much trouble our Republic really is. Trump wanted this fight and so Nancy has gracefully agreed.

Now would be a really good time to show up.

Or maybe Humpy's bone spurs are acting up again.

#43 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-12-12 07:45 PM | Reply

So many Ruskies running around the White House the past 3 years it's going to take months to de-bug the joint once Benedict Donald is forced to leave.

#44 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-12-13 03:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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