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Wednesday, December 11, 2019

The US has grounded hundreds of Saudi military aviation students at bases across the country in the wake of Friday's deadly shooting in Florida. All flying will be paused, though classroom studies will continue.

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Has the bloated------------ apologized to MBS for the death of the Pensacola shooter yet?

#1 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2019-12-10 09:21 PM | Reply

Quick effective responses.

Hmmmmmm

#2 | Posted by fresno500 at 2019-12-10 10:02 PM | Reply

"If pigs had wings, they would fly"

#3 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-12-10 11:15 PM | Reply

Well, that was certainly the work of deep state career operatives that will soon be overruled by Fat Nixon after a call from Mr. Bonesaw and a few billion payoff.

#4 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-12-11 07:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

At the airshow convention. The Saudi demo pilot is here with an entourage.

Awkward...

#5 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-12-11 08:10 AM | Reply

Saudi flight students should have been grounded since 9/11/2001.

#6 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2019-12-11 02:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I think it's funny that our response to a terrorist gun attack... is to tell the jihadists they can't fly planes any more.

Maybe if there's another terrorist gun attack, they'll take their driver's licenses away too!

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-11 03:00 PM | Reply

"The Saudi demo pilot is here with an entourage."

Did they get their Ramstein Loop perfected?

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-11 03:01 PM | Reply

There used to be an apocryphal tale back in the day in Austin about the original Saudis that trained as pilots down at Lackland AF Base in San Antonio...

... about how there was a multi-car smash up wreck in I35 when a rented van full of Saudi pilots went out of control. It was said that the driver decided he wanted to go back in the van and party with the rest of the pilots, so he activated the autopilot.

OK, you had to be there.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2019-12-11 03:13 PM | Reply

close the barn door after the camels got out

#10 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-12-11 03:37 PM | Reply

www.youtube.com

Ron Burgundy Anchorman 2. RV crash.

#11 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-12-11 03:37 PM | Reply

omg.... not another gun free zone......

#12 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-12-11 10:20 PM | Reply

OMG another Saudi terrorist in our midst.

#13 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-12-11 10:26 PM | Reply

Hillary stands ready to protect the motherland...

#14 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-12-11 10:31 PM | Reply

Hillary would've had this guy shot already.

#15 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-12-11 10:37 PM | Reply

Hillary would've had this guy shot already....

by doing the "monica"... that's why they issued those lil blue bills at the BOQ...

#16 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-12-11 10:45 PM | Reply

These young Saudi students are already pilots. They're here to train for joint military operations with American pilots.

Grounding them was the absolute right thing to do. Even at that, I hope nobody left the keys in the ignition.

If so, it wouldn't be the first time somebody stole a fast jet and headed for home.

#17 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-12-12 01:53 AM | Reply

"Hillary stands ready to protect the motherland..."

You can make fun of her all you want but she would have never been begging for money from the Crown Prince Bone Saw. Your side of the argument will forever be stained by that act, y'all are the one's supporting a President who is so desperate for cash that he will overlook anything the Saudis do. Their war in Yemen is, by itself, a war crime. Yet Trump doesn't do anything about it. This Sunni vs. Shia thing is getting old and I am, pretty well convinced, we chose the wrong side. We shouldn't be on either side but far more Americans are dead because of Sunnis than from Shias so I do pay attention to the scoreboard. Realize, we had friendly relations with Iran for many decades until we overthrew their democratically elected government. They were the most modern and progressive nation in the ME but we decided to punish them. Our foreign policy has been wrong for decades, we place Saudi Arabia as a friend? Ridiculous. Wake up America, our leaders are bought and paid for. Saudi has more money but they don't share any of our values..

#18 | Posted by danni at 2019-12-12 07:09 AM | Reply

Please, someone, explain why we are training Saudi pilots? So they can more effictively fly into sky scrapers in our cities? So they can more effectively bomb women and children in Yemen?

#19 | Posted by danni at 2019-12-12 08:12 AM | Reply

#19 Whether I agree with it or not, we're training them to fly (and also maintain) aircraft we sold them. In this case, most are associated with the MH-60R helicopter. Pensacola is the home of all the aviation ratings "A" schools.

This has been occuring for decades, with foreign students from maybe more than 100 countries, and not just in Pensacola. The USAF and Army have their own training pipelines, and once the students finish P'cola, they move on to learn to fly their Type/Model/Series. In the case of the Saudis, that training is in Jacksonville, FL.

#20 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-12-12 08:56 AM | Reply

Please, someone, explain why we are training Saudi pilots? So they can more effictively fly into sky scrapers in our cities? So they can more effectively bomb women and children in Yemen?

#19 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2019-12-12 08:12 AM | REPLY

Second one. Dropping cluster munitions takes a lot of training. They hit the people using the human shields too, on occasion.

#21 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-12-12 10:32 AM | Reply

Dropping cluster munitions takes a lot of training

Does it?

#22 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-12-12 11:23 AM | Reply

$6 to $7 million worth.

#23 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-12-12 12:09 PM | Reply

Awkward...

#5 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Americans are dead because of a Saudi pilot.

Awkward!

#24 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-12-12 01:38 PM | Reply

Quick effective responses.

Hmmmmmm

#2 | POSTED BY FRESNO500

Obviously a military decision not a Presidential one.

They should all be sent home. Or all sequestered in a secure location until after the investigation is over. I thought it was Americans first?

Of course, we will have to investigate the investigators, before we can release them.

#25 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-12-12 01:41 PM | Reply

#23 To learn to drop bombs or learn to fly planes?

#26 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-12-12 02:29 PM | Reply

Both.

#27 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-12-12 03:08 PM | Reply

SA has to be one of the few oil rich countries to outsource flight school. Turkey and Venezuela train their own pilots.

I get the mil-contract training side of it, but just shows that SA is truly a renter nation.

#28 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-12-12 04:23 PM | Reply

#27 Well then the Saudis got gypped. They're not taught bombing at flight school.

#29 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-12-12 06:52 PM | Reply

They're not taught bombing at flight school.

POSTED BY MUSTANG AT 2019-12-12 06:52 PM | REPLY

The plane IS the bomb you dummkopt.

#30 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-12-12 07:06 PM | Reply

Our foreign policy has been wrong for decades, we place Saudi Arabia as a friend? Ridiculous...

Yep, well Danni.... American presidents are NOT responsible for foreign policy.... that is determined by The Council of Foreign Relations.

They have briefed every president since Eisenhower....Except Trump.... Trump dismissed them and took away all their security passes and access to the White House.

In turn... they responded with the Ukraine brewhaha...They will say and do anything to return Hillary back to power as she was a past member of the CFR and would return them back to their previous power.

While their decisions do in fact have an impact on America, it's the poor people throughout the planet that must pay with their lives for their policy decisions.

#31 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-12-12 08:39 PM | Reply

Pegasus read the Constitution. Foreign policy is entirely the responsibility of the President.

#32 | Posted by danni at 2019-12-13 06:55 AM | Reply

#30 Keep up dear. We're discussing cluster munitions.

#33 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-12-13 08:13 AM | Reply

Awkward!
#24 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2019-12-12 01:38 PM | REPLY

Thunder Alaboudi, Saudi Hawks. He was actually pretty nice. I did see people chatting him up after the first day.

#34 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-12-13 08:14 AM | Reply

#27 Well then the Saudis got gypped. They're not taught bombing at flight school.

#29 | POSTED BY MUSTANG AT 2019-12-12 06:52 PM | FLAG:

iirc, the training cycle start to finish is about a year and you go to several schools. I ended up at the table with an IFF systems instructor at a luncheon, he's out of San Antonio waiting on the new T-7 trainer deliveries.

#35 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-12-13 08:17 AM | Reply

#32 I would love to spend time pulling this thread. I completely agree with you, by the way.

Members of Congress have made a lot of comments about Trump "breaking long standing policy" and there is no shortage of media articles about Congress "reasserting itself" in foreign policy. We have members of Congress standing on foreign (sometimes hostile) soil expressing their support of regimes the President has stated the US does not support.

Thoughts?

#36 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-12-13 08:23 AM | Reply

#35 I agree, and alluded to it earlier. Still, when it comes to foreign students, we tend to shy away from teaching them to "fight" the aircraft...we just teach them to fly it. There are exceptions of course, particularly for our very closest allies

#37 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-12-13 08:26 AM | Reply

The Saudis fly in Red Flag and train at Nellis.

#38 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-12-13 09:11 AM | Reply

They're also flying F-117s as low observable, low altitude aggressors paired with an F-16 CAP.

#39 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-12-13 09:12 AM | Reply

They being the USAF, not the Saudis. Just something I learned recently and thought was interesting.

#40 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-12-13 09:12 AM | Reply

That is interesting. In the Navy, from flight school through the FRS, we just teach foreign students to fly the bird. The tactics portion is very thin, tailorable to the country and aircraft variant. Once they are back home, how our operational forces interact with them is out of the hands of those who pay for and manage training tracks.

#41 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-12-13 09:56 AM | Reply

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