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Wednesday, December 11, 2019

Today, the Senate Judiciary Committee will hear from the Department of Justice's Inspector General, Michael Horowitz, on the findings of his FISA report. After providing months of wall to wall impeachment coverage, CNN and MSNBC decided not to air the full hearings with Horowitz.

CNN and MSNBC stopped following the IG hearing after about 30 minutes, and both refused to cover the opening statements by Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C. The decision does not align with the recent live hearing coverage standard both networks have held for the last few months, giving endless air time to the impeachment hearings lead by Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif, and Rep. Jerry Nadler.

Media personalities are noticing this unfair balance.

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John Solomon reported that the IG report would be explosive.

The report coupled with Horowitz's testimony was absolutely explosive.

How many members of the MSM over the past couple of years have flatly stated that the Carter Page FISA warrants were properly obtained, that the Steele dossier played only a minor role, that there weren't any exculpatory omissions, etc?

Today's testimony thoroughly eviscerated a bunch of false narratives and talking points.

#1 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-11 04:29 PM | Reply

How many media figures excoriated the memo that Nunes released over these FISA warrants and lauded Schiff's counter-memo?

Well, Nunes has been completely vindicated and Schiff is caught lying once again.

I wonder if anyone in the MSM well self-reflect on this and maybe even offer a mea culpa.

I'm not holding my breath.

#2 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-11 04:33 PM | Reply

Jeff I watched the entire hearing on MSNBC up until it ended at 4pm. They cut away from the sound of Graham's opening remarks after about 15 minutes of his wingnut rantings, debunking him with honest commentary until he was finished. Lindsay was lying and honest people take no quarter in listening to easily disproven lies and distortions.

Other than that, the full hearing was shown uninterrupted at least until 4:02.

#3 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-11 05:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You've gone back to suggesting that Trump is a victim, JEFF. No, you're doing something a bit stronger than suggest.

If you want to support Trump there's nothing I can do about it. But it's worth a little something to posterity to understand why people like you find ways to enable monsters.

What's the attraction you have to Trump, JEFF? Why do you want him and the little caliphate he's engineering to win?

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-11 05:01 PM | Reply

The Federalist is garbage. MSNBC Aired the hearing today. Can't say anything about CNN.

#5 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-12-11 05:20 PM | Reply

Other than that, the full hearing was shown uninterrupted at least until 4:02.

#3 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

So, despite Laura's typical STS what the Federalist reported was accurate.

They cut away from the sound of Graham's opening remarks after about 15 minutes of his wingnut rantings, debunking him with honest commentary until he was finished.

So, you make that assessment based on only about 1/4 of his testimony.

Most of what he said was directly tied to the findings in the IG report.

Zed,

This isn't actually about Trump. It's about the FBI unlawfully obtaining FISA warrants not only to spy on Carter Page but also people who he conversed with via phone, text or email (in any 2-sided conversation they are going to hear both sides so they were ostensibly spying on, in a limited fashion, any campaign member who Page communicated with). And that isn't the only abuse that took place.

#6 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-11 05:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Hardly surprising that CNN-DNC and MSNBC-DNC would do that.

#7 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-12-11 05:44 PM | Reply

MSNBC played live every word uttered by Nadler or Schiff but mostly cut Graham off.

I watched this on CSPAN3.

#8 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-11 05:59 PM | Reply

This isn't actually about Trump.

#6 | Posted by JeffJ at

Sure it is. It's like the Nazis Party discovering some Jew that's truly avaricious to excuse it's anti-Semitic behavior.

There was no Deep State conspiracy; there is no Deep State. Barr and Durham not need your help removing the stake from its heart.

#9 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-11 06:38 PM | Reply

Zed,

I take it you didn't watch the Horowitz testimony today. It was devastating. I never imagined it would go down like it did.

#10 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-11 06:39 PM | Reply

It was devastating. I never imagined it would go down like it did.

#10 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-11 06:39 PMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Then people of good faith will get to that issue sooner or later.

There is almost just the one political issue worth worrying about: Getting an incompetent traitor away from power. Anything that distracts from this existential question that isn't also existential plays into Trump's hands.

You lack discernment, JEFF. Trump I've had figured out for ages, as anyone with honest standards has. You? People like you are the real mystery.

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-11 06:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I also watched it on C-Span3, I flipped to MSNBC and CNN a couple of times, MSNBC was showing the hearing when I flipped to it but was running a continual chyron of talking points mostly centered around "no bias" and CNN was showing commentators who were discussing what they think the report said as opposed to Horowitz's testimony, along with an identical chyron about "no bias".

I didn't check Fox but I anticipate that they showed the whole hearing.

#12 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-12-11 06:52 PM | Reply

People like you are the real mystery.

#11 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-12-11 06:44 PM | REPLY

Not really. He thinks he's above the fray and both sides are the same.

#13 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-12-11 06:55 PM | Reply

Not really. He thinks he's above the fray and both sides are the same.

#13 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Nice straw man, Alex.

You should be better than that.

#14 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-11 07:06 PM | Reply

Zed,

You come across as a man who is on a crusade.

Here's the thing, multiple things can take place simultaneously.

No matter how bad you think Trump is, there is absolutely no justification for the abuses the IG clearly laid out in his report and testimony. Zero. Zilch. Nada. None.

#15 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-11 07:08 PM | Reply

No matter how bad you think Trump is, there is absolutely no justification for the abuses the IG clearly laid out in his report and testimony. Zero. Zilch. Nada. None.

Agreed. But equally there is no justification for trying to conflate the work of lower level bureaucrats trying to catch bad guys into an FBI conspiracy from the top down, besmirching otherwise good people doing vital work.

I think what's being missed here is that the reason Trumpers were being investigated was on suspicion of possible criminal wrongdoing. During secret, compartmentalized investigations those undertaking them are not obsessed with their targets presumptions of innocence, they assume that they may find crime. That is why they are there. Because none of this ever leaked, the subjects were not harmed in any way, as it should be.

But this notion that the only reason they were investigated is because of personal political biases just doesn't make sense. Were the Russians guilty of criminal behavior? Yes. Did they try to solicit the Trumpers? Yes. Did Trump continue to use Russia's stolen property to boost his own campaign? Yes. Was Russia's incursion a national security threat? Yes. All of these reasons have nothing to do with left/right politics they have to do with right/wrong. If the campaigns were reversed, I'd expect the exact same actions to have occurred.

But maybe that's just me.

#16 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-11 07:17 PM | Reply

there is no justification for trying to conflate the work of lower level bureaucrats trying to catch bad guys into an FBI conspiracy from the top down, besmirching otherwise good people doing vital work.

I agree with you on this and it's not what I'm doing, Tony.

#17 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-11 07:21 PM | Reply

One thing is very clear to me - when we take into account all of the malfeasance and misfeasance that Horowitz exposed with his investigation into the Hillary email criminal investigation, the Comey machinations to instigate the Mueller investigation (which Comey flat-out admitted was his intent) and the IG report released 2 days ago with testimony today - EVERYTHING flows in 1 direction. The only outlier is Comey announcing a re-opening of the Hillary email thing based upon what they uncovered when sniffing through Anthony Weiner's laptop on an unrelated investigation.

#18 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-11 07:28 PM | Reply

I agree with you on this and it's not what I'm doing, Tony.

Then you should be more clear because every Republican all day long kept blaming the "FBI" not just those in the bowels who actually made the errors. Part of the recommendations involve making sure that higher ups keep tighter reigns on quality control and I wholeheartedly agree.

But if we're honest, let's again admit what this particular part of the FBI does: The work on FISA warrants related to secret national security issues presumed at start to be of vital interest of those trying to protect America.

They are not an oppo research clearinghouse working on political shenanigans which is how the Republicans seem to want to paint them. They forward flawed information that allowed Page to be surveilled, not wrongly charged or smeared with false evidence. And it was done without any knowledge every becoming publicly known until Nunes ran to the cameras as though Carter Page's is the first and only FISA warrant issued on faulty facts - and it was only do so because those working on it hate Trump.

GMAFB.

They screwed up, but it wasn't because of politics, it was because of institutional biases having nothing personally to do with Trump nor his politics. Again, reverse situations and they would have done the same to Hillary. In fact, the FBI did. See the NY FBI office who fed Rudy. Difference being those investigating Trump never let anything out into public and Rudy's sources did just the opposite.

#19 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-11 07:31 PM | Reply

Wow, I'm missing a lot of words.

They work on FISA warrants... presumed at the start....

#20 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-11 07:35 PM | Reply

They screwed up, but it wasn't because of politics

#19 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

That is your opinion. Yes, it is grounded in the conclusion that Horowitz reached, from a torturous standpoint, that he couldn't find testimonial evidence to support it. He ALSO said that the answers he was given weren't satisfactory which put him in a situation where all he could do is speculate and he wasn't going to do that in the report. He even went so far as to agree with Mike Lee, albeit near the end of his testimony, that it pretty much had to be either political bias or gross incompetence. He couched that by saying that it was unfair to broad-brush everybody involved under that binary metric, but otherwise his testimony was quite clear.

And it was done without any knowledge every becoming publicly known until Nunes ran to the cameras as though Carter Page's is the first and only FISA warrant issued on faulty facts - and it was only do so because those working on it hate Trump.

I argue that it was done so because they never expected Trump to win and knew that with Clinton none of the pre-inauguration stuff would ever come to light.

#21 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-11 07:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The only outlier is Comey announcing a re-opening of the Hillary email thing...

Perfectly timed to kill the Access Hollywood "Grab them by the -----" story in it's tracks, a week before the election.

#22 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-12-11 07:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I argue that it was done so because they never expected Trump to win and knew that with Clinton none of the pre-inauguration stuff would ever come to light.

That's the same reverse engineering that I expect from Barr and Durham.

All these Trump haters went to an awful lot of work never to have used it to defeat him (even while watching others in the same FBI light Hillary on fire as her poll numbers plummeted from their summer highs) because they thought he was going to lose anyway, isn't that right?

Which begs the question, why do it in the first place if you think Hillary was going to win?

I-L-L-O-G-C-A-L

#23 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-11 07:48 PM | Reply

#22 | POSTED BY REDIAL

My takeaway is that in the absence of extremely unusual circumstances Comey was likely quite good at his job.

But when political pressures were applied he was not up to the task to deal with it. Now, he's become a full-blown pundit. For him to claim the IG report vindicated the actions of the FBI was absolutely mind-boggling.

#24 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-11 07:50 PM | Reply

I-L-L-O-G-I-C-A-L

I C-A-N-T S-P-E-L-L

#25 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-11 07:50 PM | Reply

That's the same reverse engineering that I expect from Barr and Durham.

I'm open to the possibility. I'm also going to wait and see what they uncover and will wait to see how they disclose it before drawing any conclusions.

#26 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-11 07:51 PM | Reply

I-L-L-O-G-I-C-A-L

I C-A-N-T S-P-E-L-L

#25 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

FF!

For what it's worth, I give you a lot of credit for addressing everything that has unfolded over the past 3 days as it pertains to all of this.

#27 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-11 07:53 PM | Reply

For him to claim the IG report vindicated the actions of the FBI was absolutely mind-boggling.

He is referring to the allegations of top-down bias Jeff, and you know that. What was found was errors made in the lower levels that then then upper tiers were not equipped to discern from their perches. They didn't order faulty applications, they were given faulty applications and honestly trusted that they weren't.

That's all he means. He agrees with all the recommendations that Horowitz forwarded I read somewhere.

His vindication was qualified that the investigation was started and conducted on solid ground outside of the Page warrant controversy.

#28 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-11 07:55 PM | Reply

For what it's worth, I give you a lot of credit for addressing everything that has unfolded over the past 3 days as it pertains to all of this.

That's what I always do. I made a post on the bogus Steele dossier thread that you should read. I try to follow facts, logic and history if I can. They don't always explain everything but more often than not they do.

Most people don't make professional job actions based on their own personal political feelings, you know this. We all work with people of all stripes usually and work quality would suffer if such bias was allowed to seep into work.

Just this morning, De Blasio was pontificating that a 24 year old Buttigieg on his first job should have only worked on projects given to him by his employer if they aligned with his belief social justice. I laughed out loud. You do what your boss tells you to do unless it's illegal or immoral, then you quit. Life doesn't work that way.

People working years and years at non political G-level jobs don't start frothing at the mouth because an opportunity comes along to hurt a single political candidate. How could any of them know that what they did would in fact lead to Trump's harm? At their level, that assumption makes no sense at all unless you buy into a top-down conspiracy that could be built upon by others higher in the chain of command. And no evidence of that exists.

#29 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-11 08:02 PM | Reply

" Nice straw man, Alex."

you sound like andrea when you misuse that term.

#30 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-12-11 10:53 PM | Reply

" Nice straw man, Alex."

you sound like andrea when you misuse that term.

#30 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

I didn't misuse that term. Please wipe your slobber off my ankles. it's pretty gross.

#31 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-12 12:39 AM | Reply

"I didn't misuse that term. "

Yes, you did.

"Strawman" refers to someone making something up out of whole cloth (straw), just to attack the fake position. No such thing happened in this case.

#32 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-12 12:49 AM | Reply

#30 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

I have never actually used that term.

#33 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-12-12 12:54 AM | Reply

Yes, it is grounded in the conclusion that Horowitz reached,

He didn't reach that conclusion.

They screwed up, but it wasn't because of politics,

Not true ..

IG said opening the investigation he found no evidence (they stonewalled see below), but the FISA are suspect to political bias.

IG Horowitz: Cannot rule out political bias as motivation for FISA abuses.
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The IG report also goes on to say that political bias couldn't be fingered as the source of decision-making because certain decisions were "reached by a consensus among the Crossfire Hurricane agents and analysts." In terms of causality, this essentially means the FBI circled the wagons and made it hard to determine precise, documented motivations for each specific decision. Not surprisingly, the report also goes on to document repeatedly how when interviewed by the IG, key personnel either conveniently didn't remember pertinent information or refused altogether to cooperate with the investigation.

#34 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-12-12 01:00 AM | Reply

He is referring to the allegations of top-down bias Jeff

Again the IG was only referring to not finding evidence due to stonewalling.

They are not an oppo research clearinghouse working on political shenanigans which is how the Republicans seem to want to paint them.

They were certainly used that way .... Comey, Lorretta Lynch have told a mosaic of lies, the crime goes to the POTUS.

In a Sept. 2, 2016, text exchange, Page writes that she was preparing the talking points because "potus wants to know everything we're doing."

What did Obama know, and when did he know it?

#35 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-12-12 01:07 AM | Reply

Just incase you want to drag out Schiff's memo's claim that the FISA taps were fruitful.

Blumenthal: "[FISAs] are renewed because they are producing useful information, correct?"

IG: "Or they should be producing useful information."

Blumenthal: "...they were producing useful information, correct?"

IG: "I'm not sure that's entirely correct."

#36 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-12-12 01:28 AM | Reply

To finish :

The Steele Dossier, and the sequence of events it sparked, represent such a massive media / law enforcement failure that the implicated parties will never accept responsibility so long as Trump is around. It's just not within their capacity. Deny, deny, deny is all they can do

#37 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-12-12 01:37 AM | Reply

"the implicated parties will never accept responsibility"

What a farkin' riot: Someone from "The Party of (Always Someone Else's) Responsibility is DEMANDING responsibility...

...from someone else.

#38 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-12 01:39 AM | Reply

"Deny, deny, deny is all they can do"

So did Trump use his office to demand a favor from a foreign ally while they were at war, and withhold a White House visit and congressionally-approved aid in the meantime?

Let's see if you..."deny, deny, deny".

#39 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-12 01:42 AM | Reply

Here comes Donkey Suit Dan with nothing but deflections.

#40 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-12 07:16 AM | Reply

So Jeffry and his source were full of it and lied?
It must be a day ending in Y.

#41 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-12-12 10:03 AM | Reply

So Jeffry and his source were full of it and lied?
It must be a day ending in Y.

#41 | POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON

CNN didn't broadcast the testimony live and MSNBC cut out of Graham's opening statement.

#42 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-12 10:06 AM | Reply

#42 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

I listened to NPR on my way home last nite, 30min on impeachment, not a mention of the IG report.

Not saying they didn't cover it, but would have thought it would come up in the news.

#43 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-12-12 10:14 AM | Reply

#39 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

I am pretty sure IG has proof of this malfeasance.

Show me proof ...

all the impeachment hearings showed were ..

1. Hearsay
2. Conjecture
3. Substantive policy disagreement

Then you are denying with a deflection.

#44 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-12-12 10:17 AM | Reply

Sen. Ted Cruz: "A lawyer at the FBI creates fraudulent evidence, alters an email that is in turn used as the basis for a sworn statement to the court that the court relies on. Am I stating that accurately?"

Inspector General Horowitz: "That is correct. That is what occurred."

Deny it!

#45 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-12-12 10:18 AM | Reply

While we have a IG report thats pretty long on evidence, the process clear of hyperbole.

In order to convert people into the myth that Trump committed anything Democrats have to make up reasons to support.

Do you deny Danforth that Trump's Ukraine phone call was "an affront to the memory of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr."?

#46 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-12-12 10:23 AM | Reply

If you can tolerate looking at the truth here's Jordan laying out for you....
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#47 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-12-12 10:27 AM | Reply

If you can tolerate looking at the truth

#47 | Posted by AndreaMackris

What is truth? Glad you asked.

Truth is Donald Trump is a liar and a criminal, and he loves not the United States but only himself.

People like ANDREA, and alas JEFF, adduce trivia to cover for their low-rent Mussolini.

ANDREA seems to be doing it because he's making money off it somehow. Who knows why JEFF does it, and is there really any reason to care.

You're both Trump supporters. You're in with this Anti-Christ but please remember that in Revelation the Dragon doesn't make it all that well in the end.

#48 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-12 10:41 AM | Reply

Zed,

You've become completely unhinged.

BTW - Durham wants to borrow your handcuffs.

#49 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-12 10:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You've become completely unhinged.

#49 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-12 10:

OK, you're fine that Donald Trump is president but I'm the one who is unhinged?

You don't find a picture of Trump when you look up the word "sane", JEFF.

#50 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-12 10:56 AM | Reply

The amount of stuff you and ANDREA just completely gloss over when it comes to Trump and his florid behavior continues to astound me.

You know, I can understanding loving money. I can also understand (although it makes my head hurt) why some American citizens learn to support Putin and Russia over their home country.

I can't understand, and never will, the lack of pride implied by how much some of you people have become whores for behavioral squalor and lies.

#51 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-12 10:58 AM | Reply

I just popped on to the NYT website. ZERO mention of the Horowitz testimony. I was expecting it to be downplayed. I wasn't expecting it to be outright ignored.

#52 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-12 11:26 AM | Reply

#52

I noticed the same thing so I shot over to the Washington Post, nothing there as well, it's almost like they wished it never happened...

I guess that is what Horowitz gets for eviscerating the Steele Dossier that they so breathlessly promoted for over a year.

#53 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-12-12 11:59 AM | Reply

I guess that is what Horowitz gets for eviscerating the Steele Dossier that they so breathlessly promoted for over a year.

#53 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

On top of that they blasted the Nunes memo which has now been validated and they lauded the Schiff counter-memo which is now proven to be fraudulent.

#54 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-12 12:07 PM | Reply

It is testimony by Horowitz like this that lead CNN/NYT/WashPo and all their hangers on to ignore the Horowitz hearing because it was so devastating to The Narrative that they have been forcing down the true believers throats for the past two years.

#55 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-12-12 03:08 PM | Reply

both refused to cover the opening statements by Sen. Lindsey Graham,

You'd get more honesty from SyFy network than Lindsay.

#56 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-12-12 03:34 PM | Reply

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