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Friday, December 13, 2019

The House Judiciary Committee's debate about articles of impeachment Wednesday and Thursday underlined the yawning gap between Democrats and Republicans over President Trump's behavior -- and also between Republicans and the truth.

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Remarkably, not one GOP member of the Judiciary Committee was ready to acknowledge that there was anything wrong with Mr. Trump's demand that a foreign government pursue false charges against one of his most likely Democratic opponents in the 2020 election. They could have followed the example of the several Republican legislators who have said Mr. Trump's actions were improper but not impeachable. Instead, they offered a display of blind fealty, portraying Mr. Trump as a victim of Democratic persecution while ignoring or misrepresenting the evidence against him.

Mr. Gaetz and several colleagues sunk still lower, alleging that Mr. Biden and his son Hunter were guilty of corruption and that Mr. Trump was justified in demanding an investigation of them and of a Russia-propagated allegation that Ukraine and not Russia hacked the server of the Democratic National Committee in 2016.

The airing of such disinformation may advance Mr. Trump's underlying aim with Ukraine, which was to smear an opponent and cloud the record of Russian interference. But it does nothing to refute the charges against the president.

The congressional GOP is using the Judiciary Committee to broadcast and sell the very disinformation that Putin himself invented out of thin air. We are witnessing the death knells of this republic as sure as the sun rises in the East tomorrow.

I have no problem whatsoever in any American being against impeaching President Trump if they're able to counter the massive amounts of damning evidence with anything resembling actual exculpatory evidence. But all the GOP has is invective, lies, distortions, and smears done in the service of normalizing that any US President should feel justified in seeking political assistance through the foreign persecution of an American political opponent.

And while the circus performs in chamber, the airwaves are full of push-ads amplifying the same assaults.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-12 11:01 PM | Reply

More garbage from fake news WaPo.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-12-12 11:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#2 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

TR has to keep swinging ...

Was wrong Feb 2017, all that cut and pasting, and typing, still he's wrong.

Losing is difficult on the losers.

#3 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-12-12 11:52 PM | Reply

False charges?

Biden was out there bragging about it, it would criminal not to ask for an investigation.

#4 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-12-12 11:59 PM | Reply

--all that cut and pasting, and typing

...and all I got was a lousy Clinton 2016 t-shirt.

--Tony Spammer

#5 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-12-13 12:01 AM | Reply

Eric Columbus @EricColumbus

The GOP argument is that Trump put America first by demanding that a corrupt government investigate American citizens.

AshaRangappa_ @AshaRangappa_

Asha Rangappa Retweeted Eric Columbus
I would really, really like to know what the endgame was going to be if Ukraine did investigate and prosecute. Send the former VPOTUS to Ukraine to be tried and go to jail? So if other countries prosecute Trump after leaves office, we can extradite him, as well? Cool!

*as I have noted previously, we don't even have an extradition treaty with Ukraine, which exposes the sham from the get-go. But I would just like to see GOP go on record that they would be OK with Trump being investigated and tried by a foreign government, as per their argument

#6 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-12-13 12:04 AM | Reply

I see the ------ sisters have showed up.

I should have done a better job during my cleansing routine.

#7 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-13 12:06 AM | Reply

#7

That was for 2-4, not you Gal, obviously. You hadn't yet posted when I started writing.

#8 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-13 12:08 AM | Reply

Lets just say that in 2024 Pete Buttigieg wins the presidential election and in order to win re-election he does something near identical to what Trump is currently doing. Lets say he asks a foreign country to get involved in our election somehow to skew public perception in his favor, then obstructs all investigation into his actions. What does the GOP do then? Obviously the Dems are going to do what the GOP is doing now and support it, especially using the precedent that Trump is setting. By going down this rabbit hole aren't we making things worse for future generations? How will it be when the shoe is literally on the other foot?

#9 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2019-12-13 01:22 AM | Reply

"Remarkably, not one GOP member of the Judiciary Committee was ready to acknowledge that there was anything wrong with Mr. Trump's demand that a foreign government pursue false charges against one of his most likely Democratic opponents in the 2020 election."

This one line from C&PRoma tells you everything you need to know about how dishonest reporting is. Why is it "false chargers" and not just "charges"? I mean, how do they know they are false if they have not been investigated? It is not like we are lacking evidence here - we have a terminally corrupt Burisma, we have a coked-out unqualified loser like Hunter pulling down $83K/month for a no-show job, and we have Joe bragging about getting the prosecutor fired that was investigated the mess.

#10 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-12-13 01:24 AM | Reply

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"By going down this rabbit hole aren't we making things worse for future generations? How will it be when the shoe is literally on the other foot?"

Why wait? Why shouldn't Biden ask Iran to hack into Saudi Arabia, and tell them he'll sell them arms if they uncover dirt about Jared Kushner's business deals?

I mean...that's all okay now, right???

#11 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-13 01:43 AM | Reply

So when Ukraine was led by a corrupt president.. Trump released all military aid without any holds in '18 and '19......but when an anti-corruption president is elected he decides remove our anti corruption ambassador and to hold the aid because of corruption?

This was a shakedown of a new, inexperienced president.

#12 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2019-12-13 09:06 AM | Reply

I knew Cons were increasingly separated from the truth when they started using the phrase "low information voter" and "I love the uneducated". The reason why is that they only make insults by projection. They will accuse others of their own crimes and insecurities.

There isn't much one can to to help the truly stupid when they are proud of their own ignorance and malice.

#13 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-12-13 10:42 AM | Reply

Remarkably, not one GOP member of the Judiciary Committee was ready to acknowledge that there was anything wrong with Mr. Trump's demand that a foreign government pursue false charges against one of his most likely Democratic opponents in the 2020 election. - #1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-12 11:01 PM

I don't find it remarkable that the GOP didn't acknowledge a demand that never happened. You're welcome to quote such a demand if you believe one exists. Neither would they acknowledge a request for pursuing false charges, as there was neither a demand nor a request for false charges. I find it equally unremarkable that the known liar tonyroma is pushing yet another blatantly false narrative.

What does the GOP do then? Obviously the Dems are going to do what the GOP is doing now and support it, especially using the precedent that Trump is setting. By going down this rabbit hole aren't we making things worse for future generations? How will it be when the shoe is literally on the other foot?
#9 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2019-12-13 01:22 AM

Well obviously the honest and non-corrupt target of that smear campaign would expose the true reality of what occurred and trust that America's informed electorate wouldn't be swayed by foreign actions like that.

Why shouldn't Biden ask Iran to hack into Saudi Arabia, and tell them he'll sell them arms if they uncover dirt about Jared Kushner's business deals?
I mean...that's all okay now, right???
#11 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-13 01:43 AM

I've got no problem with it. Why on earth would anyone NOT want anyone's dirty business practices brought to light? If wrongdoing occurred, file charges, show evidence, convince a jury, pay the legal price. Why is that so hard for you to understand? If Biden (or anyone) asked that a crime take place (by requesting hacking as opposed to releasing information already in their possession), he should face whatever legal penalty that entails.

#14 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-12-13 11:22 AM | Reply

" a demand that never happened. "

First, let's all pretend we're stupid.

Next you're going to tell us you read the transcript.

#15 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-13 11:26 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

I don't find it remarkable that the GOP didn't acknowledge a demand that never happened.

#14 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-12-13 11:

You mean asking Ukraine to investigate his main political opponent?

Do you acknowledge he asked the same thing of China on nationwide television?

#16 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-13 11:32 AM | Reply

Why on earth would anyone NOT want anyone's dirty business practices brought to light?

#14 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-12-13 11:22 AMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

I'd ask you why doesn't Trump want his exposed but the answer is obvious, he's trying to avoid prison.

#17 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-13 11:34 AM | Reply

"Why on earth would anyone NOT want anyone's dirty business practices brought to light?"

You're a moron if you actually believe that. But you don't actually believe that.

That whole "Trump was interested in corruption" lie sure is a whopper. To believe it, you'd have to believe Trump waited for 2.5 years to start, passed on Kim, Netanyahoo, Putin, MBS, and Ergodan, and it's just a TOTAL COINCIDENCE the first time he was interested in corruption was when his presumptive political rival was involved. (What are the odds?!?). In addition, you have to believe the corruption in Ukraine wasn't going on in the two prior years, when money went to Ukraine and Trump didn't make a peep. You also have to get the hook out of your mouth to believe the folks Trump believed were "corrupt" were the ones he wanted doing the "investigation".

Room temp IQ or lower is required.

#18 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-13 11:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Do you acknowledge he asked the same thing of China on nationwide television?"

"What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening."
~Donald J. "These Aren't The Crimes You're Looking For" Trump

#19 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-13 11:38 AM | Reply

The GOP argument is that Trump put America first by demanding that a corrupt government investigate American citizens.

AshaRangappa_ @AshaRangappa_

Someone went through ALL of the Orange Lard Barge's speeches from Jan 2017 until Sept 2019 and he mentioned corruption four times and not once did he mention the Ukraine.

#20 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-12-13 11:48 AM | Reply

Impeachment Shows Widening Gap Between GOP and the Truth

This morning... CNN's Manu Raju spoke to Rep. Debbie Lesko (R-Ariz.) about this foundational element of the overall scandal, and according to what the Capitol Hill reporter posted to Twitter, the exchange didn't go especially well.

Q: Why is it ever ok for an American president to ask a foreign power to investigate a political rival? Why do you think that's ok?

Lesko: "He didn't. He didn't do that"

Manu: He did ask Zelensky

Lesko: "He did not do that."

I truly have no words for this. Our country cannot stand if there can be no agreement upon unquestioned factual reality when it butts up against intentional political gaslighting of the most egregious order.

#21 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-13 02:43 PM | Reply

I don't find it remarkable that the GOP didn't acknowledge a demand that never happened.

"I want nothing. I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo. Tell Zelensky" " referring to President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine " "to do the right thing." ("to do the right thing" IS a demand for specific action, which is:)

"If they were honest about it, they would start a major investigation into the Bidens," Trump said. "They should investigate the Bidens," Trump said.

Just another gaslighting sycophantic ignoramus who doesn't realize that Trump's own words both contradict any proclaimed "exonerating" statement that he didn't make a demand because in his other statements he clearly articulates the demand unambiguously.

#22 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-13 02:54 PM | Reply

Truth, for dems is whatever they say/claim it is.

#23 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-12-14 12:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Truth based on evidence and facts and the reasoning of ethical professionals is not for the GOP.

#24 | Posted by hamburglar at 2019-12-14 08:40 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

The way every "report" is twisted and worded, it's become impossible to know exactly what the truth really is.
The fake left whang media owns this.

#25 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-12-14 09:49 AM | Reply

Over the years I've been posting here, I can get a sense of the growing frustration, hysteria and delusion from the left.

I'll give them another year or two before they start getting violent. Especially if they get thrashed the way Labour did in Britain.

All they need now is for two time loser Hillary to enter the race.

#26 | Posted by Ray at 2019-12-14 10:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"I'll give (the left) another year or two before they start getting violent."

This, from the predictor of "another year or two" for the economy....8 years ago.

#27 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-14 10:37 AM | Reply

" it's become impossible to know exactly what the truth really is. The fake left whang media owns this."

Another member of the Party of Responsibility demanding responsibility...provided it's someone else's.

#28 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-14 10:38 AM | Reply

This, from the predictor of "another year or two" for the economy....8 years ago.
#27 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

The irony is that if it weren't for overbearing, parasitic leftists like you, I wouldn't have to keep buying gold.

There's a verse from Proverbs that fits the occasion: "The prudent man, when he sees danger gets out of the way. But the simple go ahead and suffer for it."

Of course you can't see it when you're the problem.

#29 | Posted by Ray at 2019-12-14 10:45 AM | Reply

"it weren't for overbearing, parasitic leftists like you, I wouldn't have to keep buying gold.

Well I, for one, are thrilled that you lost money while I tripled mine. Even moreso that you're thrilled at your own stupidity.

"Of course you can't see it when you're the problem."

How is someone who gives good advice and makes money the problem, versus the guy who's advice will get you nowhere? Had folks followed your investment acumen, they'd be just as broke as you. When are you predicting Dow 1400?

"The prudent man, when he sees danger gets out of the way."

Whereas the idiot stays in his cave and predicts imminent doom for 15 years, while others go out into the world and conquer it.

#30 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-14 11:02 AM | Reply

"Of course you can't see it"

That's the same thing RayDow 1400 said, all the time. Was he wrong, or did others just not "see it"...?

#31 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-14 11:04 AM | Reply

Nothing but stupid retorts. Is that all you got Danny boy?

#32 | Posted by Ray at 2019-12-14 11:08 AM | Reply

Trump released all military aid without any holds which o'bummer never did even after plugs threat.

#33 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-12-14 11:13 AM | Reply

Room temp IQ or lower is required.

#18 | Posted by Danforth

For plugs to admit he bribed the ukraine

#34 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-12-14 11:15 AM | Reply

"Nothing but stupid retorts. Is that all you got Danny boy?"

Nothing but facts, Self-Deluding Ray.

Meanwhile, you can't even admit your gold obsession cost you 2/3rds of what could've been your net worth over the last eight years. Or the FACT you would've done better by stuffing your cash in a mattress.

#35 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-14 11:17 AM | Reply

"There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency.
The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner
which not one man in a million can diagnose." "John Maynard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace

You haven't made a profit until you sell. So have fun while you can.

What started out in #26: "Over the years I've been posting here, I can get a sense of the growing frustration, hysteria and delusion from the left.
I'll give them another year or two before they start getting violent. Especially if they get thrashed the way Labour did in Britain.
All they need now is for two time loser Hillary to enter the race.

You turned into an issue about me. Proves my point.

Enough said.

#36 | Posted by Ray at 2019-12-14 11:36 AM | Reply

Nothing but facts ~ Danforth

LOL Thats a lie right there....

FFS DonkeyDan

#37 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-12-14 11:47 AM | Reply

"I'll give them another year or two before they start getting violent. "

Not everyone believes violence will solve the problem like you deplorables do.

Not everyone is a deplorable person who thinks violence is the answer.

Not everyone is a trump supporter. Most of us are disgusted. His "rallies" are shameful.

In fact. Most of America do not support this President.

Up to 70% of Americans said President Donald Trump was wrong to try and undermine our elections by having Ukraine probe our political opponents.

Good luck in 2020. Trumps gonna need it to just stay out of jail.

If he loses power the fun is over.

#38 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-12-14 12:30 PM | Reply

"Thats a lie right there.... "

Posts the DR's resident liar.

#39 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-14 12:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"You haven't made a profit until you sell."

I've sold many times, and harvested ample profits. Meanwhile, you have 40% of what a simple index fund could've returned. And if you sell the gold you've held for eight years, you'll be selling it at a loss. In other words, you could've done better if you would've just dug a hole in the backyard and buried the cash, rather than buy and hold gold.

That's a fact you can't even seem to admit.

#40 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-14 02:31 PM | Reply

"Thats a lie right there.... "
Posts the DR's resident liar.
#39 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-14 12:55 PM | Reply | Flag:
| Newsworthy 1

Pretty sad when a NO YUO gets a nw flag.

#41 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-12-14 03:23 PM | Reply

Obviously the Dems are going to do what the GOP is doing now and support it, especially using the precedent that Trump is setting.

No because Dems are not ok with treason regardless of who is doing it

Obviously the Dems are going to do what the GOP is doing now and support it, especially using the precedent that Trump is setting.

#42 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-12-14 10:35 PM | Reply

Trump released all military aid without any holds which o'bummer never did even after plugs threat.

#33 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2019-12-14 11:13 AM | REPLY |

Without any holds except the hold he put on it you mean? Are you trying to pretend now that it wasn't held?

#43 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-12-14 10:42 PM | Reply

Are you trying to pretend now that it wasn't held?

#43 | POSTED BY HATTER5183

That is just our deplorable lil snippy.

Pretending he has a clue.

#44 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-12-15 10:58 AM | Reply

Just another gaslighting sycophantic ignoramus who doesn't realize that Trump's own words both contradict any proclaimed "exonerating" statement that he didn't make a demand because in his other statements...

yea keep insulting everyone... that's working good for the democratic party....

you need to go watch a movie or relax at a bar...
clearly the liberul angry man is sooooo 80's....

#45 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-12-15 03:26 PM | Reply

yea keep insulting everyone... that's working good for the democratic party....

Support for impeachment climbs to new record of 54 percent in Fox News poll
Seems to be working fairly well since most people aren't being insulted.

Only the sycophantic ignoramuses who refuse to objectively consider the facts and evidence proving that Trump eviscerated his oath of office, erstwhile known as those like you....

#46 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-15 04:02 PM | Reply

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