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Friday, December 13, 2019

The House Judiciary Committee voted 23-17 this morning to advance articles of impeachment against President Trump. It was a party-line vote, with Democrats voting yes and Republicans voting no.

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Good. Enough stalling by the Dems. Let's have a vote.

#1 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-12-13 10:17 AM | Reply

Enough stalling by the Dems.

#1 | Posted by nullifidian

I sometimes admire the shear breadth of your idiocy.

This would have happened yesterday if not for Republican delaying tactics. They fought this step as if Trump is frightened of it. Now, we all know that could not possible be the case.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-13 10:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#2 | POSTED BY ZED

Keep thundering away on your "moral high ground" built on an edifice of lies, and a foundation of hate.

Its fun to watch.

#3 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-12-13 10:34 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

Now we come to the phase where Trump barks about wanting a full trial in the Senate while doing everything in his power to make sure that it's not.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-13 10:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

ANDREA, glad you're here. Just for you:

By Philip Hackney, associate professor of law at the University of Pittsburgh School of Law

Last week, Justice Saliann Scarpulla of the New York Supreme Court ordered President Donald Trump to pay $2 million in restitution to charity after admitting to New York Attorney General Letitia James that he and his children had violated their fiduciary duties as officers and directors of the now-shuttered Donald J. Trump Foundation. As a result of that failure, charitable dollars " consistently and over many years " often benefited Trump rather than the causes the president has repeatedly claimed he supports.

Trump stole and kept stealing.

#5 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-13 10:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#2 The vote results, 17-23, would have happened on day one within the first hour. Both sides said the same things for days.

#6 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-12-13 10:39 AM | Reply

Keep thundering away on your "moral high ground"

#3 | Posted by AndreaMackris at

I'm sorry. Is my #5 "thundering"?

#7 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-13 10:39 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"moral high ground"

#3 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019

One of what Trumpism rests on is that there is no such thing as a moral high ground.

Morals get in the way. Character gets in the way. Sincere religious convictions get in the way. It's all a form of realism, actually.

ANDREA, like NULLI, and like Trump, are all realists.

#8 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-13 10:43 AM | Reply

Wow. Along party lines. I dont think any impeachment should go forward if it's just one party pushing it.

It's obvious the Democrats are impeaching Trump just because they lost. They are trying to erase that embarrassing defeat.

It's not going to work and it's going to make them look petty and jealous. I really think this is going to work against them.

#9 | Posted by boaz at 2019-12-13 10:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It's obvious the Democrats are impeaching Trump just because they lost.

#9 | Posted by boaz at 2019-12-13 10:44 AMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

By Philip Hackney, associate professor of law at the University of Pittsburgh School of Law

Last week, Justice Saliann Scarpulla of the New York Supreme Court ordered President Donald Trump to pay $2 million in restitution to charity after admitting to New York Attorney General Letitia James that he and his children had violated their fiduciary duties as officers and directors of the now-shuttered Donald J. Trump Foundation. As a result of that failure, charitable dollars " consistently and over many years " often benefited Trump rather than the causes the president has repeatedly claimed he supports.

Trump stole and kept stealing. There are many objectively good reasons to want Trump out, BOAZ, and you and your friends acknowledge none of them. Not one. Now, why is that exactly?

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-13 10:46 AM | Reply

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Moral Zed is a moral man. Just ask him, he'll tell you. In fact he'll tell you whether you ask him or not. He'll tell the grocery checkout clerk. He'll tell the brown person that mows his lawn for cheap.

#11 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-12-13 10:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


#11 | Posted by nullifidian at

You've been here more than once, NULLI. Ridiculing others for having standards you don't. But your behavior is a necessary component of Trumpism.

Trump consistently attempts to bulldoze away moral convictions and traditions of morality. He and you get pissed when they don't fold immediately. Trump sees that as disloyalty towards his person, and complains about it loudly and often.

Donald Trump is a very sick man, NULLI. What he does is easily explainable. I still have my questions about you.

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-13 10:54 AM | Reply

Zed,

If you had "moral" standards, you would have been against Clinton in his impeachment. If you had moral standards, you would have fried Hillary for her illegal email server with classified information. This isnt in debate. Hillary broke the law. You didnt put her in jail or argue for it.

You have no standing to criticize anyone else..

#13 | Posted by boaz at 2019-12-13 10:58 AM | Reply

Deal with the Chinese! Good job Trump!

Still doing his job even though liberals are trying to illegally put him out of office.

This is why he will get reelected.

Trump 2020..

#14 | Posted by boaz at 2019-12-13 10:59 AM | Reply

@#9:

Chariman Nadler : "Impeachment should not be partisan ... You have to be in a situation to undertake impeachment where you believe that once all the evidence is public, not a majority but a good fraction of the opposition voters who supported the president would say, Well, they had to do it. It was the right thing to do.'"

"If you're serious about impeaching a president, it cannot and should not be done on a partisan basis. You have to have, at least by the end of the process, buy-in from the Republicans, or at least a good number of Republicans," Nadler said in a Feb. 2018 interview with MSNBC.

"There must never be a narrowly voted impeachment or impeachment supported by a major political party or imposed by another. It will produce bitterness in politics for years to come and will call into question the very legitimacy of our political institutions. American people are watching; they'll not forget. You have the votes. You may have the muscle, but you do not have the legitimacy of a national consensus or constitutional impairment." -Yup, Nadler

"We must not overturn an election and impeach a president without an overwhelming consensus of the American people and the representatives in Congress." -guess who


At least he has maintained his integrity throughout the whole procedure./s

#15 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-12-13 11:08 AM | Reply

If you had "moral" standards,

#13 | Posted by boaz at

OK, BOAZ. Let's assume I don't have moral standards.

Donald Trump is still a sick and evil old man who should not be president.

#16 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-13 11:12 AM | Reply

Still (Trump) doing his job even though liberals are trying to illegally put him out of office.

#14 | Posted by boaz at 2019

Impeachment is in the Constitution, BOAZ. Doing your small part to de-legitimize it?

#17 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-13 11:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"At least he has maintained his integrity throughout the whole procedure"

Good point. Nadler is an idiot for believing Republicans have a moral spine. He should just accept the craven lie-mongers for who they are.

#18 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-13 11:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Donald Trump is still a sick and evil old man who should not be president.

I disagree.

#19 | Posted by boaz at 2019-12-13 11:28 AM | Reply

Impeachment is in the Constitution

As an option.

It's not automatically used just because you dont like who won, especially when it wasnt "your" side.

#20 | Posted by boaz at 2019-12-13 11:29 AM | Reply

It's not automatically used just because you dont like who won, especially when it wasnt "your" side.

If you "don't like who won" specifically because he commits impeachable offenses on a daily basis, that's absolutely what it's for

#21 | Posted by JOE at 2019-12-13 11:36 AM | Reply

He should just accept the craven lie-mongers for who they are
~Danforth

Project much DonkeyDan?

Impeachment is in the Constitution

So is treason.

#22 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-12-13 11:36 AM | Reply

I disagree.

#19 | Posted by boaz at

Well of course you do, BOAZ, and I expect nothing Trump has done or will do to change your mind.

I mean, Donald stealing from charities including veterans didn't move you an inch, did it?

#23 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-13 11:37 AM | Reply

Stoopid article. Full house has not even voted on it. It is still in committee.

#24 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-12-13 11:38 AM | Reply

So is treason.

#22 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Yes, yes it is. Are you among those who think Trump should be hanged for it?

#25 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-13 11:38 AM | Reply

"Project much"

How many rubles do you get per lie?

Oh, right...you've admitted you're in this for tax cuts alone, America be damned. Clearly you've sold your soul on the cheap.

#26 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-13 11:41 AM | Reply

I mean, Donald stealing from charities including veterans didn't move you an inch, did it?

No more than the Clinton foundation (Haiti) has moved you..

#27 | Posted by boaz at 2019-12-13 11:47 AM | Reply

No more than the Clinton foundation (Haiti) has moved you..

#27 | Posted by boaz at 2019-12-13

You want to impeach Clinton, BOAZ? You know that's happened?

#28 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-13 11:49 AM | Reply

--How many rubles do you get per lie?

lol. The DR left is so pathetic. All they have is two-bit McCarthyism.

#29 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-12-13 11:50 AM | Reply

No more than the Clinton foundation (Haiti) has moved you..

#27 | Posted by boaz at 2019-12-13

This is trashy morality, BOAZ. You Trumpites use it a lot. Sad truth is that one person's crimes excuse no one else's---The idea that they should is Trumpism.

#30 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-13 11:50 AM | Reply

Donald stealing from charities including veterans didn't move you an inch, did it?

No more than the Clinton foundation (Haiti) has moved you..
#27 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Zed was suggesting Donald stealing from vets might be personal to you.

Are you suggesting Zed is from Haiti?

#31 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-12-13 11:52 AM | Reply

You see where you're taking this, BOAZ. Exactly where Trump always wants it to go. Since there's no higher moral position to refer to then Donald gets to do anything he wants.

A while back I accepted that people like you believe this crap because you really do want Kingfish over you. It's a renaissance for Dictatorship and Trump is part of the Enlightenment.

#32 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-13 11:53 AM | Reply

"All they have is two-bit McCarthyism."

Mackris has admitted he's cheering for the demise of America, and just wants more tax cuts.

Was your head so far up his ass you didn't see his posts?

#33 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-13 11:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is trashy morality, BOAZ.

Trumpublicans have forfeited their morals for a fleeting feeling of being superior to liberals.

#34 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-12-13 11:54 AM | Reply

Imagine what Boaz would say if Obama stole from a veterans charity.

#35 | Posted by JOE at 2019-12-13 11:59 AM | Reply

-Are you suggesting Zed is from Haiti?

From what I read here, Texas isn't much better.

I know better, of course.

#36 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-13 12:00 PM | Reply

What an excellent day for Repubicans and Drumpf. Winning!

#37 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-12-13 12:29 PM | Reply

Let's have a vote.

#1 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Why?

Why bother?

It won't change the corrupt behavior of this President or his supporters.

In fact, sadly, it may embolden them to be even more hateful.

#38 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-12-13 12:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Soon as the Articles reach the floor this is going to be and events like Humanity has never seen before.

Social media didn't exist when they try to remove Bill Clinton from the presidency for getting a b******.

And now we have a president who's being impeached for obstruction of Congress.

#39 | Posted by Tor at 2019-12-13 12:33 PM | Reply

Still (Trump) doing his job even though liberals are trying to illegally put him out of office.
#14 | Posted by boaz

What piece of legislation did the president sign this week, in between meeting with Russians and rage tweeting 180 times, including about a 16 year old girl with Asperger's?

McConnell hasn't passed any bills for him to sign, so literally, what "work" is he actually doing?

#40 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-12-13 12:34 PM | Reply

It doesn't matter what Trump does.

Mackris, Boaz, and Nulli will never admit he did anything wrong.

He could commit actual treason and they would defend it to the death.

They live in a Fact Free Universe.

And now McConnell is coordinating the Impeachment with the White House Counsel. First time in history that has happened.

#41 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-12-13 12:43 PM | Reply

Wow ... . This President met with the leaders of other nations this week, held a few press conferences with them, dealt with the nation's business as its leader and Commander-in-Chief and even found time to go do an evening pep rally for his own campaign in PA. And Mitch has done a great deal of legislation -- most of it sitting back in the House with Nancy ignoring all the changes the Senate has made.

#42 | Posted by SJHamilton at 2019-12-13 12:44 PM | Reply

All these republicans need to see a family therapist about their divorce...

From reality!

#43 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2019-12-13 12:45 PM | Reply

Kee-Ya!

#44 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2019-12-13 12:46 PM | Reply

"...you would have fried Hillary for her illegal email server with classified information. This isnt in debate. Hillary broke the law. You didnt put her in jail or argue for it." - #13 | Posted by boaz at 2019-12-13 10:58 AM

Donald J. Trump State Department probe of Clinton emails finds no deliberate mishandling of classified information
When all you have are lies then lying's all you can do.

#45 | Posted by Hans at 2019-12-13 12:48 PM | Reply

"And Mitch has done a great deal of legislation -- most of it sitting back in the House with Nancy ignoring all the changes the Senate has made." - #42 | Posted by SJHamilton at 2019-12-13 12:44 PM

When all you have are lies...

#46 | Posted by Hans at 2019-12-13 12:49 PM | Reply

What piece of legislation did the president sign this week, in between meeting with Russians and rage tweeting 180 times, including about a 16 year old girl with Asperger's?
McConnell hasn't passed any bills for him to sign, so literally, what "work" is he actually doing?
#40 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-12-13 12:34 PM

Do you really believe that the sole duty of the President of the United States of America, Head of State, head of 15 executive departments, & Commander in Chief of the US Armed forces is to only sign or veto laws?
Explains a lot, I suppose.

#47 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-12-13 12:54 PM | Reply

"Do you really believe that the sole duty of the President of the United States of America..."

It's really cute to see you try and speak seriously about the duty of this so called "President".

#48 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-12-13 01:01 PM | Reply

If you thought you could hide Trumps crimes by becoming hyper-partisan you were wrong.

35% of this country may let him shoot someone on 5th Avenue... but the other 65% of us want him to burn for his crimes.

#49 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2019-12-13 01:15 PM | Reply

I guess I'm one of the very few morally consistent people here. Bill Clinton deserved to be impeached for his offense, regardless of what other people may have done. Donald Trump deserves to be impeached for his offense, regardless of what other people may have done. Y'all are a bunch of partisan hacks.

#50 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-13 01:16 PM | Reply

I couldn't possibly care less about impeachment. It means nothing to me either way. But much of this affair is troubling. If this was a run of the mill court case, and there were known and documented instances of police misconduct, some which is at the very least bordering on criminal, none of the evidence would see the light of day. At worst, the case would be dismissed and the officers involved, fired or charged. Process, procedure, and ethics of the investigators matter. I am not saying the President is immune, but he shouldn't be treated any differently than any other defendant.

What I can't figure out. Is why past precedent for the way impeachment were run wasn't followed to the letter. It would have netted the same result.... Votes along party lines.... But completely removed any talking points or up in arms shouts about the process by Republicans. It makes no sense.

#51 | Posted by ABH at 2019-12-13 01:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"police misconduct"

If you're talking about the FISA thing, a judge rubber stamping almost every warrant that comes across his desk isn't the same thing as police misconduct. The Supreme Court has already ruled that the exclusionary rule doesn't necessarily apply in cases like that as it would in police misconduct.

en.wikipedia.org

#52 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-13 01:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Articles of Impeachment Approved

with NO crimes attached

a new low for our country

#53 | Posted by Maverick at 2019-12-13 01:40 PM | Reply

Pelosi is going to be busy strong arming her 31 members this weekend. There goes another Botox treatment.

#54 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-12-13 01:40 PM | Reply

That case was predicated on officers acting in "good faith." You will have a hard time saying that lying and omitting warrants applications to a FISA court is good faith.....

But the important note is that no such hearing to adjudicate the admission ever happened.

#55 | Posted by ABH at 2019-12-13 01:42 PM | Reply

53. Actually, while I find the charge laughable, obstruction of Congress IS a crime.

#56 | Posted by ABH at 2019-12-13 01:50 PM | Reply

#51

1) You couldn't care less? Or just enough to post Republican talking points, and your "concerns" about the impeachment process?

2) In case you missed it, the articles of impeachment had absolutely nothing to do with FISA or the Russia investigation. So far, at least. In a run of the mill case, the evidence from a separate, unrelated case would not be admissible. Also, impeachment hearings are not a court case. The trial is held in the Senate, but thanks for clarifying that you don't understand the process which you appear to be upset about.

3) If ethics of the investigations matter, do you think a ranking member of an investigative body should be a participant in the hearings if he or she was an active participant in the activity being investigated? Inquiring cows want to know...

4) It's a good thing you are not saying the president is immune, because he certainly is. That's the whole 2nd article of impeachment in a nutshell, by the way. You are making an excellent case for the impeachment of the president, based on him not being treated any differently than any other defendant - but you're still wrong. The House doesn't have plaintiffs and defendants. They have done an investigation, been obstructed, and STILL have enough evidence to draft articles. The president has not taken the stand. The president prevented his staff from appearing to exonerate him. The president refused to release documents as ordered lawfully by Congress. No defendant gets to do that in a run of the mill case.

5) This case is different than previous impeachments, but it is not clear what your concern about not following precedent is...the Democrats in the House actually followed precedent almost to the letter. In case you are unaware of the facts, the House ran this impeachment according to the rules established by the Repubican Party in 2015. Second, the House went to extraordinary lengths to accommodate the minority in the House and the White House in the process...they followed the Repubican rules to the letter, and did everything by the book, except to allow additional leeway for the president or his lawyers to appear before the committee, which they refused to do. Third, all the up in arms talking points and shouting by Repubicans are LIES. They made the claim that they were held out of the "secret Schiff hearings in the basement," - not true. Republicans in the minority were present, could call witnesses, could ask questions and were not prevented from participating in the process in the SCIF. They claimed that they were not allowed to call witnesses in the hearings - not true. 3 of the fact witnesses were on the Repubican witness list. The fact witnesses who defied Congressional subpoenas and refused to appear chose not to participate in the process intentionally. Not one Repubican has disputed the facts of the case and not one has answered the question of if it is acceptable for any president to solicit foreign help in an election. There's a reason for that.

Maybe we can put Congress under oath during the trial, because the Repubicans demanded the truth from witnesses, but clearly had no problem blatantly lying themselves. They were unable to get one person, fact witness or staff member to provide evidence that would clear the president. Not one. That says a lot.

The only way this makes no sense is if you get your information from conservative media. I've forced myself to listen/watch the conservative narrative on this, and it is batguano insane. I don't doubt a lot of people are confused by what is happening, because they are being sold propaganda (Russian, by the way) on a daily basis. It's hard to admit you've been conned.

#57 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-12-13 01:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#50

I agree with you, they were/are both impeachable offenses, but neither has the support for the removal of POTUS in the Senate, so it's going to be Groundhog Day.

Right now Nancy and Steny are scrambling to ensure they don't lose votes in their caucus since the GOP will jump all over that if less Dems vote for impeachment than voted for the Inquiry.

#58 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-12-13 01:52 PM | Reply

4) above, should read "he certainly THINKS he is..."

#59 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-12-13 01:54 PM | Reply

"moral high ground" built on an edifice of lies, and a foundation of hate.

----

Isn't that Trump's platform?

#60 | Posted by Pirate at 2019-12-13 01:55 PM | Reply

Again, whether he should be impeached or not has no bearing for me. I am not emotionally invested in this. But if you don't think Schiff cutting off Republican line of questioning is the least bit impartial, or ignoring the requirement for a minority hearing, or having the hearing test solelyv in the hands of the judiciary committee instead off involving the intelligence Committee, I don't know what to say.

Did he commit a crime? Not for me to say, but if he did, would want to see impeachment proceedings.... But done fairly.

The FBIs conduct in this has tainted it whether you want to admit it or not.

#61 | Posted by ABH at 2019-12-13 01:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Trump would actually like to be impeached over a BJ.

#62 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-13 02:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

By Philip Hackney, associate professor of law at the University of Pittsburgh School of Law
Last week, Justice Saliann Scarpulla of the New York Supreme Court ordered President Donald Trump to pay $2 million in restitution to charity after admitting to New York Attorney General Letitia James that he and his children had violated their fiduciary duties as officers and directors of the now-shuttered Donald J. Trump Foundation. As a result of that failure, charitable dollars " consistently and over many years " often benefited Trump rather than the causes the president has repeatedly claimed he supports.
Trump stole and kept stealing.

#5 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-12-13 10:37 AM | REPLY

Yes! This family, the Trump family, stole from charity for years and years. But, they are so concerned about corruption in Ukraine.

Anyone who believes these crooks care about corruption except to the extent they can PROFIT from it is abysmally stupid.

#63 | Posted by anton at 2019-12-13 02:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This stain on Trump's 'legacy' will never go away. It is indelibly now written into American history. What a loser.

#64 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-12-13 02:16 PM | Reply

#61

Emotionally invested? Who cares if you're emotionally invested or not? That has nothing to do with it.

Schiff prevented the clowns from turning the hearings into a clown show. He was masterful, and didn't "cut off" any line of questioning, he maintained decorum and focus in the hearing. There is no requirement for a minority hearing. Maybe the Repubicans are butthurt because they made the rules for Hillary Clinton and didn't expect their guy to win. The Intelligence committee was tasked with the investigation, the judiciary committee was tasked with reviewing the evidence and drafting the articles. What are you talking about?

Did he commit a crime? Not relevant, actually. Impeachment does not require a criminal act. The only people who think this is unfair are the people who can't make a case on the merits.

Again, the FISA issue is not relevant here. FISA is flawed and should be fixed. I'd be happy to get the anti-Hillary FBI texts and comms out on the table, and why Comey swayed the election...just to be fair. The Horowitz report shot down all the Repubican talking points about FISA, whether you want to admit it or not.

#65 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-12-13 02:16 PM | Reply

64. That is absolutely true, and he earned every bit of it

#66 | Posted by ABH at 2019-12-13 02:17 PM | Reply

Trump would actually like to be impeached over a BJ.

#62 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2019-12-13 02:13 PM | FLAG:

Do you mean a Buttery Jack from Jack n' the Box?
Yeah, Trump would probably fellate a White House aide for one of those.

#67 | Posted by anton at 2019-12-13 02:17 PM | Reply

By Philip Hackney, associate professor of law at the University of Pittsburgh School of Law

What an appropriate name. lol

#68 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-12-13 02:21 PM | Reply

What an appropriate name. lol

#68 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2019-12-13 02:21 PM | FLAG:

Yeah, sometimes names are strangely appropriate. Take Drumpf, for example.

#69 | Posted by anton at 2019-12-13 02:23 PM | Reply

I don't expect anything other than a party-line vote in the Senate either. Republicans have circled the wagons. They love their ------- president and they can't be bothered with trifling details such as whether Trump acts in his own interest rather than that of his country.

As disgusted as I am with the GOP's allegiance to party and personal gain over national security and the rule of law, I'm not surprised anymore. Stand your ground, Republicans! Make corruption and arrogance the building blocks of your platform! We have you on the record. History will not judge you kindly.

#70 | Posted by cbob at 2019-12-13 02:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Maybe you turds should visit some swing States. You think they care about this comedy? I think you'll find out what they think about what he's accomplished when everyone thought it couldn't happen by past Presidents. Thank God he had more ambition than giving Mexicans guns.

#71 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-12-13 02:27 PM | Reply

Keep thundering away on your "moral high ground" built on an edifice of lies, and a foundation of hate.
Its fun to watch.

#3 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS AT 2019-12-13 10:34 AM | REPLY | PATHETIC 1 | DEFLECTION 2

I love the foundation of hate thingie... so touching... and a little beguiling.

You do know you have to credible way of knowing what you say is fact... and yet you still say it as if you have no control over your stupid... but you're upset.... I know...and really you are beautiful when you are upset. In fact I can say there is nothing more beautiful than the tears of a clown.

#72 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-12-13 02:39 PM | Reply

I think you'll find out what they think about what he's accomplished when everyone thought it couldn't happen by past Presidents.

#71 | POSTED BY WISGOD AT 2019-12-13 02:27 PM | FLAG:

Yeah. He's kept his promises and has accomplished so much that conservatives should cheer. "China" is paying tariffs into the U.S. Treasury. "Mexico" is paying for a border wall. No children are in cages. The federal debt has been eliminated. No foreign leaders are laughing at us now ..... and, Trump is fighting corruption in Ukraine.

#73 | Posted by anton at 2019-12-13 02:41 PM | Reply

Thank God he had more ambition than giving Mexicans guns.

#71 | POSTED BY WISGOD

People who make comments like this are EXACTLY why people who can do basic things like math and reading don't relish visiting swing States. Who wants to spend 100% of their time trying to have even basic conversations with people who have willingly divorced themselves from reality? I don't even know what giving Mexicans guns means in any context. I'm sure you do, though, and you're gonna tell all us libruls about it.

I remember when I actually had to look up Saul Alinsky because the venerable swing State residents were certain I had memorized his playbook and was a card-carrying acolyte of the Saul Alinsky philosophy. I'd never heard of him before.

#74 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-12-13 02:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Trump could shoot Boaz on 5th Ave and Dulli would still be making excuses for him and ignoring his criminal behavior. Now, if he shot Mattress instead, Dulli would be asking for some emotional damage support, or at least a plastic blow-up substitute.

#75 | Posted by Corky at 2019-12-13 02:43 PM | Reply

Drumpf is best buddies with Putin, Kim, Erdogan, MBS, Duterte and Netanyahu but he has to root out corruption in Ukraine, lol. Riiiighht

#76 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-12-13 02:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Good. Enough stalling by the Dems. Let's have a vote.

#1 | Posted by nullifidian

Yeah, because God forbid the process be done thoroughly and properly.

But you idiots did the same thing with the Mueller investigation, insinuating that it taking longer than the arbitrary time frame you tried to impose on it meant it was debunked and garbage.

#77 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-13 02:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Drumpf could shoot boaz on 5th Ave and Nazifidian would ask what boaz did to get himself shot. Let's not pretend that not-liberals care about each other. Boaz would be painted as a Never Drumpfer, wacko, ------- 45 seconds after getting shot by Orange Jesus.

#78 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-12-13 02:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-- a card-carrying acolyte of the Saul Alinsky philosophy. I'd never heard of him before.

Sounds like a typical millenial, leftist dumbass, who knows a few vague leftist talking points and is dumbstruck when asked to elaborate on them. Kinda like Cut and Paste Corky.

#79 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-12-13 02:53 PM | Reply

The FBIs conduct in this has tainted it whether you want to admit it or not.

#61 | Posted by ABH

That line is proof you don't know what you are talking about. The FBI didn't investigate anything that is in the articles of impeachment. The Mueller report was not brought into the articles at all nor was ANY FBI investigation so WTF is "this"? Turn off the right wing spin doctors, pull your head from between your buttocks, breath some fresh air and realize you are posting like a flaming moron, please.

You need to understand the charges are for seeking the aid of a foreign government for political purposes and obstructing congress' investigation into it before you huff some more poo.

#80 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-12-13 02:54 PM | Reply

#78 | Posted by chuffy

You are on a roll but frankly none of them even pretend to care about the truth, fact, justice, etc. - not to mention the Constitution which is all I heard about during 8 years of Obama.

#81 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-12-13 02:56 PM | Reply

#58, it is what it is, I guess. The alternative is a free for all where any President can do whatever he or she wants without getting called on it or anyone even acknowledging there are boundaries that shouldn't be crossed.

#82 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-13 02:58 PM | Reply

No surprise here. Just as there will be no surprise when the Senate rejects the impeachment.

What's going to be interesting is how the November 2020 election results turn out.

Will the Democrats get the same thrashing the Socialists got in Great Britain? If I was a Democrat, I would be worried.

#83 | Posted by Ray at 2019-12-13 03:09 PM | Reply

- Cut and Paste Corky.

lmao... this from the Trump Troll who has cut and pasted more rwing fringe sourced trash articles than Fpaw, Sniper, and Mackris combined.

#84 | Posted by Corky at 2019-12-13 03:12 PM | Reply

If the Articles make it to the senate floor Democrats are going to humiliate Republicans for weeks and if they don't vote to remove Trump from office the humiliation will never end.

#85 | Posted by Tor at 2019-12-13 03:12 PM | Reply

- If I was a Democrat, I would be worried.

If you were a Dem, Dems would be worried.

#86 | Posted by Corky at 2019-12-13 03:13 PM | Reply

Do you really believe that the sole duty of the President of the United States of America, Head of State, head of 15 executive departments, & Commander in Chief of the US Armed forces is to only sign or veto laws?
Explains a lot, I suppose.

#47 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

I just asked a question, sure it was specific, but that seems to be the only way to get any kind of answer. For instance, you failed to answer the question, instead choosing to create a straw man, as usual.

I suppose I could ask YOU if you think Drumpf actually does any of the things you listed, as opposed to rage-tweeting about 16 year-old girls, making up cute names to call Democrats, watching TV until 11 AM, playing golf, going to dances and slurring his way through pep rallies in West Virginia.

#87 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-12-13 03:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sounds like a typical millenial, leftist dumbass, who knows a few vague leftist talking points and is dumbstruck when asked to elaborate on them. Kinda like Cut and Paste Corky.

#79 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2019-12-13 02:53 PM | REPLY

Talking points are for republicans who need someone else to tell them what to say.

Leftists don't need to know who Saul Alinsky is to know that putting kids in cages is wrong.

#88 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-12-13 03:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sounds like a typical millenial, leftist dumbass, who knows a few vague leftist talking points and is dumbstruck when asked to elaborate on them. Kinda like Cut and Paste Corky.

#79 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Sounds like someone forgot to breathe through their mouth for too long. Conservitards make up conspiracy theories in their Fox bubble and then assume that the libruls know what the funk they're talking about. "Hey, one of the 3% of Repubicans who can read dug up this bit of trivia about Hillary Clinton and you're supposed to automatically know the life story of some guy who wrote a book in the 70's, herp derp, dumbass millenial leftist...oooh, I just OWNED the libs!"

Come back here when you can form a coherent thought.

#89 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-12-13 03:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Maybe you turds should visit some swing States.

Better yet, visit the areas within those states where "people" actually "live." Milwaukee, Madison, Detroit, Ann Arbor, Miami, Tallahassee, Philadelphia - these places all want Trump gone.

Yes, the cow pastures in between these places are pro-Trump. If only blades of grass could vote, Republicans would outnumber Democrats in America.

#90 | Posted by JOE at 2019-12-13 03:31 PM | Reply

So the Senate is different from the House. Is that you point, JPee?

#91 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-12-13 03:33 PM | Reply

If you were a Dem, Dems would be worried.
#86 | POSTED BY CORKY

If I were a Dem I would be worried for my life.

#92 | Posted by Ray at 2019-12-13 03:35 PM | Reply

Joe sides with the homeless, criminals and Baby Makers. Wonder how puts the food on his table? The inner city, Dummy? Bet they manufactured what you live in too

#93 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-12-13 03:36 PM | Reply

How should have been who. Hate to see Danfroth and Hans get a -----.

#94 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-12-13 03:39 PM | Reply

Nancy Pelosi is very good at muscling votes. I know of at least 2 Democrats who have signaled they will be voting against impeachment.

Honest question: What is the over/under of the number of Democrat defections where this becomes a political disaster for the Democratic Party?

I'm assuming they have enough to impeach, otherwise Pelosi wouldn't bring this up for a vote. But if 10 Democrats vote a combination of nay/present/abstain does that become a really bad look?

I'm curious to hear from DR lefties and Democrats regarding my question.

#95 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-13 03:39 PM | Reply

Hi Corky. Merry Christmas to you and family

#96 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-12-13 03:40 PM | Reply

Is #93 supposed to make sense? Lay off the bottle old man, it's only 2pm.

#97 | Posted by JOE at 2019-12-13 03:42 PM | Reply

#92

Threats of violence do not become us.

#98 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-12-13 03:46 PM | Reply

The vote results, 17-23, would have happened on day one within the first hour. Both sides said the same things for days.

#6 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-12-13 10:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

Probably so, but it is important for the public to see what Fat Nixon did.

It's sad how the GOP hyperventilated for four years over CIA agents that died in Benghazzi but don't blink an eye when delay in aid cost our allies their lives in Ukraine or capitulating to Ergodan cost our kurdish allies their lives.

Both instances send a message to everyone around the world that the US has no honor and will let them twist in the wind if it doesn't benefit us. But this is what Putin wants. He wants the US to be a disgrace on the world stage and you guys elected the perfect stooge to give him what he wants.

#99 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-12-13 03:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#89

I love you man!

#100 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-13 03:53 PM | Reply

#96

Happy cheese rolls to you and yours!

#101 | Posted by Corky at 2019-12-13 03:58 PM | Reply

Threats of violence do not become us.
#98 | POSTED BY CHUFFY

How do you think government gets the money for all your beloved welfare programs?

#102 | Posted by Ray at 2019-12-13 04:05 PM | Reply

After watching last night's 'debate', I once again am reminded of how much I absolutely despise most Republicans. Lying, hypocritical sacks of ----. (And no, Democrats are not even remotely comparable.)

#103 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-12-13 04:14 PM | Reply

#95

Can you name the 2 Democrats, and explain how you know they "signaled" this, please?

If any Democrats don't think impeachment articles are called for, they will have an opportunity to express their dissent within their Party. This is different from the way Repubicans act, which is clearly party over country in lockstep with, at this point, their orange overlord.

So your question is already framed poorly. From our perspective, this is a matter of supporting and defending the Constitution. We have seen enough evidence, from credible, Republican, Drumpf-appointed diplomats and staffers to understand what this means. It's not a game. We're not going to Vegas or laying odds.

I'd rather you answer the question of when will you realize how big of a disaster this is for the Republican Party? So far, nobody has made the case in support of Drumpf in any coherent manner. The GOP has done a lot of yelling that gets their base all moist in their undies, but they didn't dispute any facts. They have conceded that nobody on Team R has or will come forth with any exculpatory evidence, in the closed-door hearings, in the open hearings...what is the over/under that POTUS takes the stand and testifies under oath? If he doesn't, what does that tell you?

#104 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-12-13 04:14 PM | Reply

Both instances send a message to everyone around the world that the US has no honor and will let them twist in the wind if it doesn't benefit us.

In the case of Ukraine, if it doesn't benefit Drumpf personally. Even worse...

#105 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-12-13 04:16 PM | Reply

How do you think government gets the money for all your beloved welfare programs?
#102 | POSTED BY RAY

Did someone forget to take their meds again?

#106 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-12-13 04:19 PM | Reply

"How do you think government gets the money for all your beloved welfare programs?"

It's the same way the boss-man gets the money to pay the left's beloved working class, right?

#107 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-13 04:23 PM | Reply

Can you name the 2 Democrats, and explain how you know they "signaled" this, please?

It was reported within the last week but a Google search didn't turn anything up. I'll try rephrasing my search.

#108 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-13 04:27 PM | Reply

Chuffy,

this should provide what you are looking for:

Lawmakers and senior aides are privately predicting they will lose more than the two Democrats who opposed the impeachment inquiry rules package in late September, according to multiple officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to talk frankly. Two senior Democratic aides said the total could be as many as a half-dozen, while a third said the number could be higher.

www.washingtonpost.com

#109 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-13 04:28 PM | Reply

Sorry Joe. I guess your idols keep breaking that fragile, gender neutral heart of yours. How's mom? Making supper for her little man?

#110 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-12-13 04:30 PM | Reply

You're right, Moder8.
Sincerely, that dead Border Agent

#111 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-12-13 04:32 PM | Reply

After watching last night's 'debate', I once again am reminded of how much I absolutely despise most Republicans. Lying, hypocritical sacks of ----. (And no, Democrats are not even remotely comparable.)

#103 | POSTED BY MODER8

At least they don't spy on reporters, Senate staffers and opposition party presidential campaigns.

#112 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-13 04:38 PM | Reply

#106 | POSTED BY CHUFFY

You can prove I'm right if you have the nerve. Refuse to pay your taxes next year.

#113 | Posted by Ray at 2019-12-13 04:42 PM | Reply

#94

I sure hope I don't have to pay rent for living in your head.

#114 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-13 04:42 PM | Reply

It's the same way the boss-man gets the money to pay the left's beloved working class, right?
#107 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

You'll have to be more clear.

#115 | Posted by Ray at 2019-12-13 04:44 PM | Reply

I bet the framers never thought that the Senate impeachment trial would be before a jury of the Presidents Pee-ers

#116 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-12-13 04:46 PM | Reply

Don't worry Danfroth. Your kind don't live at all except for therapists

#117 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-12-13 04:56 PM | Reply

"Your kind don't live at all except for therapists"

Don't forget folks who pay too much for state income taxes. I'm always helping those idiots.

#118 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-13 05:03 PM | Reply

"At least they don't spy on reporters, Senate staffers and opposition party presidential campaigns."

sez you.....

#119 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-13 05:06 PM | Reply

It's the same way the boss-man gets the money to pay the left's beloved working class, right?
#107 | POSTED BY SNOOFY
You'll have to be more clear.

Sure.
How does the government or the bossman get the money to pay for things?

#120 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-13 05:18 PM | Reply

I mean, they're allowed to destroy the Republic if they so choose, right, in defense of Liberty? That's what the Second Amendment is for, in their minds. So they can Timothy McVeigh the Capitol Building if needs be.

This is why I say the GOP is a death cult. They think the Founders put in the Second Amendment as a self-destruct switch. It's the party of evangelical Christians who support the nation of Israel so that Jesus can return, and the Apocalypse can come to earth. Which would result in many things, but one of them would be an incredible amount of death to the non-believers. Now where have I heard that kind of language before?

To a smaller scale, that's what the Second Amendment does, especially in poor communities, that's what Republican governors choosing not to expand Medicaid does, which has now been shown to lower life expectancy in those states, that's what school vouchers to do public schools, and so on.

Anything to perpetuate the suffering of the poor, the wicked, the unworthy.

Death cult.

I can't be the only one who sees it.

#121 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-13 05:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#113

I can't technically prove that I don't have any idea what you're rambling about, but it's true. Whatever it is you're taking, though, either do a little more or a lot less.

#122 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-12-13 05:55 PM | Reply

sez you.....

#119 | POSTED BY EBERLY

No. All of those things actually happened.

#123 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-13 06:04 PM | Reply

JeffJ

Here's where I make a few points.

1) by the trolling rules of the DR right, I must point out that anonymous sources don't count - if you can't name names, how can we believe that it's true?

2) links to the liberal WaPo ad hominem something something discredit the source.

and

3) you didn't answer my question about Repubicans

That's how we "debate" here now, isn't it?

But seriously, the framing of your question doesn't work for me. I don't think it's going to be a disaster for Democrats for any reason other than Fox "news" and Drumpf himself will endlessly repeat, every day, every hour the idea that this is bad for Democrats, and eventually, all the other MSM media will also mention it because they "have to report both sides."

Those of us who aren't bombarded with lies and disinformation are pretty solid in understanding what this means for our country, we just aren't sure how to deal with our fellow Americans who have joined the cult and are now unreachable. I guess we're going to have to convince the "moderates" that they need to hitch their wagons to a better horse this time around.

#124 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-12-13 06:06 PM | Reply

Chuffy,

If the only bipartisanship in impeachment is opposition to it I think it will be a very bad look for the Democratic Party.

Impeachment is a very extreme and divisive tool. If it fails in bipartisan fashion I believe the Democratic party will pay a political price.

That's just how I see it.

#125 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-13 06:09 PM | Reply

Still (Trump) doing his job even though liberals are trying to illegally put him out of office.
#14 | Posted by comrade Boazo

Boazo you are dumber than a bag of hammers, even for a lily white racist (R)tarded redneck.

Impeachment is a LEGAL a procedure, it's even in the constitution you idiot.

Your side should have gotten more votes in Congress in the midterms in 2018, they didn't, too bad, so sad!

Someone throw me a life preserver, I'm drowning in a river of Russiapublican tears here.

#126 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-12-13 06:11 PM | Reply

How does the government or the bossman get the money to pay for things?
#120 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

The answer should be self-evident. They steal it from the public.

#127 | Posted by Ray at 2019-12-13 06:22 PM | Reply

"They steal it from the public."

How did the public get the money?

#128 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-13 06:35 PM | Reply

How did the public get the money?
#128 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

By earning it. Wealth is produced by production and free exchange.

We've had this debate before. You'll never get it.

#129 | Posted by Ray at 2019-12-13 06:48 PM | Reply

You can prove I'm right if you have the nerve. Refuse to pay your taxes next year.
#113 | POSTED BY RAY

Oh what a drama queen!

Nothing violent will happen to you unless you become violent when they attach your wages.

#130 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-12-13 06:56 PM | Reply

You can prove I'm right if you have the nerve. Refuse to pay your taxes next year.
#113 | POSTED BY RAY

Pay the IRS or pay lawyers. Your choice.

So Trump already proved you wrong. Trump pays no taxes and nothing violent has happened to him.

Because he has lawyers.

#131 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-12-13 06:59 PM | Reply

- They steal it from the public.

Ray just hates him some Constitution.... and public roads. He take forest trails instead!

And don't get him started on self-policing.

#132 | Posted by Corky at 2019-12-13 07:52 PM | Reply

Nothing violent will happen to you unless you become violent when they attach your wages.
#130 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Wage earners have no defense. The alternative is die in jail. It's an extortion racket.

Irwin Allen Schiff (/f/; February 23, 1928 " October 16, 2015) was an American libertarian and tax resistance advocate [1][2] known for writing and promoting literature in which he argued that the income tax in the United States is illegal and unconstitutional. Judges in several civil and criminal cases ruled in favor of the federal government and against Schiff. As a result of these judicial rulings Schiff was in a hospital prison serving a sentence of 162 months (13.5 years) at the time of his death at the age of 87. The Federal Bureau of Prisons reported that Schiff died on October 16, 2015.[3] en.wikipedia.org

So Trump already proved you wrong. Trump pays no taxes and nothing violent has happened to him.
Because he has lawyers.
#131 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

When kings ruled nations, the peasants paid taxes. Aristocrats didn't. Some things don't change.

#133 | Posted by Ray at 2019-12-13 07:58 PM | Reply

Ray just hates him some Constitution.... and public roads. He take forest trails instead!
And don't get him started on self-policing.
#132 | POSTED BY CORKY

If only government limited itself to building roads.

For every dollar they take for you, they make you beg to get a few cents back on the dollar. They got you thinking you're getting something for nothing.

It always amazes me you leftists don't see how badly you're getting screwed.

#134 | Posted by Ray at 2019-12-13 08:11 PM | Reply

JeffJ

Yeah, that dog doesn't hunt with me. Saying "if the only bipartisan" anything requires Democrats to break ranks, it isn't bipartisan at all. If zero Repubicans break ranks, it is irrelevant to the optics if a vulnerable Dem or two does. There are allegedly a handful of R senators who have signaled that they would vote for impeachment. Tell me what that means to your lockstep party discipline.

That 100% of ------- would choose to die on this hill, with the evidence we have before we even heard from the WH staff is remarkable. At this point, they are desperate. It's like they hopped on the toboggan and didn't think through that field of trees and rocks downhill.

Orange Furious tweeted 180 times yesterday. Clearly, he is unconcerned. Team R yelled and shouted, which plays to the base, but outside of the conservabubble, people are wondering WTF is wrong with the hysterical, shrill, emotionally unstable Repubicans.

#135 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-12-13 09:44 PM | Reply

#134

No man is an island, Ray. You've got yourself thinking that we aren't all in this together and it's every man for himself.

That's a sad way to live.

#136 | Posted by Corky at 2019-12-13 11:32 PM | Reply

"They steal it from the public."

Ahhh, the old all-taxes-are-theft canard. Posted by someone who rides in a safe car, breathes air Monsanto and Dow would poison for a buck, and doesn't have to eat green meat.

Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society.
~Oliver Wendell Holmes

#137 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-13 11:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"By a continuous process of inflation, governments can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens. The process engages all of the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner that not one man in a million can diagnose."
John Maynard Keynes

You people are just going to have to learn the hard way.

#138 | Posted by Ray at 2019-12-14 06:45 AM | Reply

"If only government limited itself to building roads."

If our government only built roads those roads would have only German , Japanese or Russian or Chinese names.

You Sir, are an idiot.

#139 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-12-14 12:14 PM | Reply

Once the impeachment is summarily dismissed by the Senate, Trump should tell the IRS to do some deep audits of Democrats.

#140 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-12-14 02:05 PM | Reply

Don't fret, Ray. When the end comes, you can feel good knowing you tried to warn the rest of us while you wallow around in your apartment full of gold doubloons.

#141 | Posted by anton at 2019-12-14 03:52 PM | Reply

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