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Sunday, December 15, 2019

Military officials have launched an investigation after some West Point cadets and Naval Academy midshipmen were seen on television flashing a hand sign that is often associated with "white power." The students flashed the sign during a broadcast of the annual Army-Navy football game in Philadelphia Saturday that President Donald Trump attended.

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This is the infection of Trumpism in full view, present in what were formerly two of the most prestigious institutions to this nation's traditions of service and honor.

Guess it's an honor to declare oneself a racist bigot on live tv these days. Why should the servicemen feel any differently?

Their Commander in Chief pretty much does it everytime he holds one of his hate rallies.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-15 03:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There were good White Power signs on both sides.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-15 03:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Identify them and boot them from the academy.

Simple.

#3 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-15 04:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Identify them and boot them from the academy.

#3 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-15 04:06 PM | Repl

They can all get jobs working on Trump's re-election.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-15 04:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Circle game.

#5 | Posted by 6thPersona at 2019-12-15 05:23 PM | Reply

Circle game.

First the IRA Biden smear, now this? Just like a raised middle finger actually means to look upward, right?

You're bucking for permanent exile comrade 4Chan.

#6 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-15 05:35 PM | Reply

You have proof that it is what you say?

#7 | Posted by 6thPersona at 2019-12-15 05:40 PM | Reply

You have proof that it is what you say?

I'm more than happy to wait for the official inquiry's findings to be issued.

Don't know if RCade will be that generous. You keep showing your true colors and their quite appalling to anyone believing in the promise of America values outside of white supremacy and pushing Russian disinformation into its bloodstream.

#8 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-15 05:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I'm more than happy to wait for the official inquiry's findings to be issued.
#8 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

I'll wait for too. Unlike you, I don't see white supremacists hiding in every dark corner.
And you have shown your true colors, along with others here, by convicting these cadets with innuendo before an inquiry is held. And you assign positions to me that are formed by your biases, not fact.

#9 | Posted by 6thPersona at 2019-12-15 06:07 PM | Reply

" I don't see white supremacists hiding in every dark corner."

No denizen of Daily Stormfront does: they don't need to hide in the corner, as they're welcomed at the dinner table.

#10 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-15 06:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I don't see white supremacists hiding in every dark corner.

They're not hiding in dark corners.

Trump has given them the confidence to step out of the shadows, blame minorities for their problems, and embrace their hate.

#11 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-12-15 06:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

And you have shown your true colors, along with others here, by convicting these cadets with innuendo...

Your ilk is self identifying. Do the signs in question represent white power? Unmistakably. White supremacists invented the definition first, then a cover lie saying that it only meant "ok", did you forget that iteration?

Nothing in this posts "convicts" anyone of anything. It factually alleges that the signs thrown meant what supremacists intend it to mean, not the laughable cover of "circle game."

And when did photographic evidence become "innuendo"? Nice try, but no one is buying your BS. Go back to Ukraine and find another IRA hit piece comrade. That's all your opinions are good for these days.

#12 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-15 06:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Do the signs in question represent white power? Unmistakably."

As usual, Republican "strategery" involves either pretending we're all stupid, or gaslighting.

#13 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-15 06:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Do the signs in question represent white power? Unmistakably. White supremacists invented the definition first, then a cover lie saying that it only meant "ok",
#12 | POSTED BY TONYROMA
BullButter.
The game was first played in the 80's.
www.ranker.com
Notice the picture in this article.

The sign took on a different significance for some people around 2017, according to the Anti-Defamation League, when it began to be used to signify white power.
www.wsj.com

As you said, the inquiry will tell out, but
'Guess it's an honor to declare oneself a racist bigot on live tv these days.';
'Identify them and boot them from the academy.'
doesn't sound like you really GAF about the findings, as long as they support your views.

#14 | Posted by 6thPersona at 2019-12-15 06:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I am white, but what I find hilarious is what white supremacy implies. It means what you have, and what you accomplished, is due to an advantage you were born with, not what you worked at.

It is like rich supremacy, as if being born rich is something to be proud of.

The pathetic cherry on the top is the belief that they can claim credit for the accomplishments of others, solely due to having a similar skin tone.

If you are poor and white, you really screwed up. You aren't white, you are a loser. Stop pretending your pathetic whiteness has anything to do with me.

#15 | Posted by bored at 2019-12-15 07:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

That meant OK when I was growing up. Now it's racist just because some racists co-opted it? What if racists start using the Donkey as a symbol? Would we hear the usual leftist vitriol?

#16 | Posted by willowby at 2019-12-15 07:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Does anyone take Slate seriously anymore?

#17 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-12-15 08:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Not even the circle game is safe from being co-opted and reassigned by bad actors, and thereby banned by those who react to those bad actors.

Summer is hereby canceled

#18 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-12-15 10:28 PM | Reply

Based and redpilled. Have you all heard about how 13 (really more like 6.5) do 50?

#19 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-12-15 10:46 PM | Reply

I'll die with a smile on my face when zoomers gas me for not being conservative enough.

#20 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-12-15 10:50 PM | Reply

Just all too funny [the lefties] as the A-OK sign has been in use for decades, from astronauts to any of us divers, and all those in between. Just libbie/prog BS as they always need to find something to bitch about.

Newspeak

Newspeak is the language of Oceania, a fictional totalitarian state and the setting of the dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four (1949), by George Orwell. To meet the ideological requirements of English Socialism (Ingsoc) in Oceania, the ruling Party created Newspeak, [1] a controlled language of restricted grammar and limited vocabulary, meant to limit the freedom of thought " personal identity, self-expression, free will " that threatens the ideology of the rgime of Big Brother and the Party, who have criminalized such concepts into thoughtcrime, as contradictions of Ingsoc orthodoxy.[2][3][4]

en.wikipedia.org

Now think of Political Correctness, then correlation with 'finger signs' -- get it?

#21 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-12-15 11:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Assuming for a moment that half or even all of these guys who've been conspicuously flashing the "OK/white power" hand signal are actually signaling that they have pride in their European heritage, and not simply being edgy, what would be the problem?

#22 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-12-16 12:01 AM | Reply

what would be the problem?

See? Racism is not a problem.

#23 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-12-16 07:23 AM | Reply

"The Klan hood is just an emblem of pride in Southern heritage. What's the problem?"

#24 | Posted by anton at 2019-12-16 07:43 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Do the signs in question represent white power? Unmistakably.

It's a sign we used in OCS as a game. There was nothing racist about it. It's been done like that for generations.

#25 | Posted by boaz at 2019-12-16 09:05 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Somewhere, a 4Chan troll is laughing his ass off.

#26 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-12-16 09:20 AM | Reply

Tony,

"This is the infection of Trumpism in full view"

Tying this to Trump is shear ignorance.

Personally, those men should be decommissioned as officers.

They are a slap in the face to their peers and the armed forces.

#27 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-12-16 09:57 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

sheer....not shear

#28 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-12-16 09:59 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I see this not a graduation but is a game.

In this case they should be expelled.

#29 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-12-16 10:05 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

and the symbol right beside the head of a black cadet. on purpose?

#30 | Posted by eberly at 2019-12-16 10:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A person bright enough to attend Annapolis or West Point would know that this symbol has racist connotations and should not be flashed in public like this.

#31 | Posted by anton at 2019-12-16 10:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Tying this to Trump is shear ignorance."

YOUR Ignorance of the trump effect is no excuse.

It's painfully obvious that Trump's campaign rhetoric from 2016, and his response to the violence that broke out at a 2017 white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, has contributed to emboldening people to commit hate crimes. So many understand this now that that we are having hearings in Congress about what to do it.

Racial and ethic violence is on the rise as this President emboldens them to emerge from the Shadows to attack The Other.

Just don't be an Other and you will be fine. Right?

#32 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-12-16 11:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Dummyboy,

Those attitudes have existed in that culture long before the current administration.

Maybe some of the rise in --- for tat nonsense on the rise between political factions is in response to provoking each other.

Blaming racism on Trump is too simple an explanation and only a simpleton would buy it.

#33 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-12-16 12:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Blaming racism on Trump is too simple an explanation"

He's not blaming racism on Trump. He's blaming Trump for mainstreaming it.

#34 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-16 12:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Dan,

Just because the media decides to run and run and run and run those kind of stories does not make it mainstream.

#35 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-12-16 12:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Just because the media decides to run and run and run and run those kind of stories "

"Those kind of stories" are of the President mainstreaming racism.

They're rapists
Good people on both sides.
He can't be fair, he's from Mexico

Keeping Stephen Miller as an advisor speaks volumes, as well.

#36 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-16 12:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Dan,

You need to read the definition of "mainstream".

#37 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-12-16 01:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"You need to read the definition of "mainstream".

You need to research the history of the power of the Presidency. As well as the surge in racist activities:
www.brookings.edu

#38 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-16 01:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The swastika is an ancient religious symbol but I wouldn't trot it out on a baseball cap and try to convince people I was just playing a game.

#39 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-12-16 01:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Keeping Stephen Miller as an advisor

#36 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-

Is Donald Trump being open about being a racist.

#40 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-16 01:45 PM | Reply

Donald Trump is a racist old man who cheats on his wife and steals from sick kids and veterans.

I'm thinking that fits better on three bumper stickers rather than just the one.

#41 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-16 01:48 PM | Reply

the A-OK sign has been in use for decades

I agree. I used to use it for that purpose as a kid.

But i pay enough attention to know the sign has been co-opted by the alt-right for other purposes, and when some giggling white guys flash it on TV my money is on them using it for that racist purpose. You'd have to be incredibly obtuse to think otherwise.

#42 | Posted by JOE at 2019-12-16 01:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

You'd have to be incredibly obtuse to think otherwise.

#42 | Posted by JOE at 2019-12-16 01:52 PMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Bingo.

#43 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-16 01:53 PM | Reply

"Somewhere, a 4Chan troll is laughing his ass off."

So woke.

Making jokes about white nationalism helps to legitimize white nationalism, because you're downplaying a toxic ideology as something to be joked about.

Thanks for reading and understanding.

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-16 01:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The swastika is an ancient religious symbol but I wouldn't trot it out on a baseball cap and try to convince people I was just playing a game." - #39 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-12-16 01:32 PM

"...the swastika rehabilitation project is very much opposed to the ancient swastika symbol being associated with contemporary hate groups..." - #52 | Posted by Sentinel at 2018-10-24 03:59 PM

#45 | Posted by Hans at 2019-12-16 01:57 PM | Reply

4chan wins again. It's openly known that the sign was "co-opted" as a prank to make fun of how sensitive parts of the left are. Like "dude, I bet we can get people to think the circle game sign means white power"

"No way, you're on!"

(Weeks later)

"Holy ----, it worked"

#46 | Posted by Ottodog at 2019-12-16 02:12 PM | Reply

"You're once..." - www.libertyheadlines.com

"..twice..." - politicalbullpen

"..three times a lady...." - www.oregonlive.com

#47 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-12-16 02:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Posted by Sentinel at 2018-10-24 03:59 PM"

Did someone summon me? LOL.

Context is everything.

#48 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-16 02:41 PM | Reply

#47 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-12-16 02:20 PM

"Context is everything." - #48 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-16 02:41 PM
This stuff just writes itself.

#49 | Posted by Hans at 2019-12-16 02:47 PM | Reply

"It's openly known that the sign was "co-opted" as a prank to make fun of how sensitive parts of the left are."

Unfortunately sites like this one unwittingly helped them propagate the prank.

#50 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-16 02:49 PM | Reply

#42

Agreed, if you throw it sideways or upside down nowadays there is no doubt that is the intent, joking or otherwise.

These cadets are about to lose everything they have worked for because of a moment of idiocy.

#51 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-12-16 03:30 PM | Reply

Calling the A-OK sing white power is just ridiculous [more libbie BS]; just ask any scuba diver what is used to reassure their dive buddy that al is Okay while they are underwater.

#52 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-12-16 03:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

sing=sign on my #52 above.

#53 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-12-16 03:31 PM | Reply

"dude, I bet we can get people to think the circle game sign means white power"

So when the soldiers made that sign, what exactly were they thinking?

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-16 03:31 PM | Reply

"This stuff just writes itself."

Hans, do you suffer from autism or some other developmental disorder? If so, then I apologize for being mean to you in the past.

There's nothing in the context of these cadet photos which indicate the intention of the symbol use had anything to do with race or racism here. Allusions to the circle game seems much more likely here.

Either way, the photobombing was disorderly and disrespectful to the man talking in front, and the cadets should be disciplined just for that.

#55 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-16 03:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"There's nothing in the context of these cadet photos which indicate the intention of the symbol use had anything to do with race or racism here."

Guess you missed that whole 4chan thing...

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-16 03:40 PM | Reply

"Guess you missed that whole 4chan thing..."

You must have missed where I specifically referred to the whole 4chan thing then. Nothing I've read or seen about the story indicates these people were associated with either 4chan or any white power group. If evidence of that comes to light, then the context changes.

#57 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-16 03:59 PM | Reply

Nothing you've read indicates they aren't.

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-16 07:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

This is why context matters.
And, that is why you're ignoring context.

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-16 07:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"There's nothing in the context of these cadet photos"

Except for that whole 4chan thing...

context
/kntekst/
Learn to pronounce
noun
the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed.

(Circumstances like 4chan, and a white nationalist Commander in Chief.)

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-16 07:42 PM | Reply

Any pretense this was done by accident requires the standard Republican prologue these days: First, let's all pretend we're stupid.

Once that's established, it's easy to conclude these signs were somehow thrown by accident.

#61 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-16 07:47 PM | Reply

Exactly, Danforth.

Imagine being a stupid teenager.
Now, imagine being such a stupid teenager, that you decided to join the military -- omg lol is there even a pronoun for someone that stupid??!!

Any teenager stupid enough to join the military couldn't possibly know about white power.
QED

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-16 07:53 PM | Reply

What the statue of limitations on this dumb a-ok/circle game sign being "coopted by white nationalists." Can it go back to being a prank or a game after Trump?

#63 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-12-16 08:50 PM | Reply

By the way, you just lost the game.
All of you.
Everyone.
If you're still reading this, you lost the game again.
thenextweb.com

#64 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-12-16 08:52 PM | Reply

"circle game"

Another member of the "First, let's all pretend we're stupid" gang.

Is it really your position these folks have no idea what they're flashing? And would you use the same barometer with gang members? (Maybe I should've said other gang members.)

#65 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-16 08:53 PM | Reply

Military is largely insulated from the --- for tat random civilian issues that are created by blogs and dumb people with large microphones. These academy folks can't even own personal vehicles til their junior years, and have minimal personal free time and even less amounts of non-military related personal clothing for their first couple years.

You think they're reading slate and huffpo trying to keep up to date on the latest wokeness trash? If they're underclassmen, they're busy earning their spot in class and memorizing tomorrow's lunch menu.

If Stephen Miller or other type of sketchy garbage does it, maybe it means something more, but to folks who have lives and live in diverse atmospheres, it is still the circle game. Just as it was only a few years ago.

#66 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-12-16 09:03 PM | Reply

"You think they're reading slate and huffpo trying to keep up to date on the latest wokeness trash?'

You think they're throwing these signs by accident? Who does this?

Are you just pretending to be stupid?

#67 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-16 09:05 PM | Reply


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#68 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-16 09:06 PM | Reply

Maybe I should've said other gang members.)

#65 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Perhaps this was the moment you realized your hot take was falling flat? Was the hand sign not the "circle game" back in your day?

#69 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-12-16 09:06 PM | Reply

You think they're throwing these signs by accident? Who does this?

It's the circle game... was this not a thing back in the day? Don't play dumb, because right now it looks like you're playing dumb.

#70 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-12-16 09:10 PM | Reply

"It's the circle game."

And none of their superiors have educated them? And you're just as stupid???

"right now it looks like you're playing dumb."

Right now it looks like you're not playing.

#71 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-16 09:11 PM | Reply

"Perhaps this was the moment you realized your hot take was falling flat?'

No, it was the moment I realized the cadets could be part of a gang as well.

#72 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-16 09:12 PM | Reply

"There's nothing in the context of these cadet photos which indicate the intention of the symbol use had anything to do with race or racism here."

Fine. I'll play along. What would indicate intention to you? If they were just wrapping up a lynching, would you suggest they were just walking by, playing the okay game?

What would convince you?

#73 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-12-16 10:46 PM | Reply

"What would convince you?"

Anything which shows these specific cadets have racial animus would be more convincing than what's been presented so far, which is just bunch idiots acting immature and stupid and showing they probably don't belong there.

#74 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-16 11:15 PM | Reply

"It's the circle game... was this not a thing back in the day?"

To be fair, it wasn't everywhere. When I went to school, the version of the arm punching game was that someone gave you a fake sucker punch, stopping just short of your face, and if you flinched you got two hits.

#75 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-16 11:26 PM | Reply

Background on the Circle Game.

#76 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-16 11:30 PM | Reply

You know what? It doesn't matter why the cadets who threw the sign did what they did. We should focus on why all the others didn't feel compelled to make a gesture. Only a thousand young people are admitted to each of our academies each year through a rigorous process, including nomination by a congressperson, US Senator, or the Vice President.

To be there, at that game, in uniform, you're not only an exceptional person, you are in training to become an exceptional LEADER. A leader who may one day lead other troops into battle or manage them from a command center. The very fact these men thought that it wouldn't matter that their sacred oath to practice appropriate discipline and respect for their Corps was brought into question all for a joke or a prank shows that they probably don't have what it takes as it regards judgment.

My prediction is that these men aren't going to be judged for whether or not they made the conscious decision to throw a gang sign. They're likely to be dismissed for bringing negative light on the Corp that they represent and disrespect to their entire chain of command. There is nothing wrong with joviality and cheering for your team, don't get me wrong. But intentionally creating an unneeded controversy because it seemed like a good thing to do in that moment, shows that you probably don't have the type of judgment that the Corps are looking for.

#77 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-16 11:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Is it really your position these folks have no idea what they're flashing?"

They might or might not be aware that a small minority of people on the internet are actively trying to cede an innocuous symbol to white supremacists over what turned out to be an obvious hoax. Has anyone dug up these kids' social media profiles yet?

#78 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-16 11:43 PM | Reply

#77- NW

#79 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-16 11:45 PM | Reply

Anything which shows these specific cadets have racial animus would be more convincing than what's been presented so far, which is just bunch idiots acting immature and stupid and showing they probably don't belong there.

#74 | POSTED BY SENTINEL AT 2019-12-16 11:15 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

So you are unable to name anything.

It's important for you to simply state no amount of evidence would let you admit that race supremacy exists.

As it is, you a waste threads.

#80 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-12-16 11:47 PM | Reply

you a waste threads.

#80 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

Dare I suggest - Be best?

#81 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-16 11:49 PM | Reply

I'm a 38 year old white married female and thought this stupid hand gesture below the waist was a "ballgazer" game. My husband has three brothers and as we grew up throughout the 90s they would do this to each other and when one looked they'd yell "Ball-gazer!" and slug him as hard as they could. I had no idea this could be a white supremacist sign and here in northern Idaho there are plenty racists so you'd think I'd have to. What a ridiculous thing to get pissed off about. Now if they have other signs of being racist they should definitely be disciplined.

#82 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2019-12-16 11:56 PM | Reply

The first time I saw this symbol presented this way, I thought it was meant to represent the female genitalia. I always imagined the people flashing it were singing a variation of the MacArthur Park song, replacing the word "cake" with "cat".

#83 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-17 12:07 AM | Reply

I'm a 38 year old white married female and thought this stupid hand gesture below the waist was a "ballgazer" game....#82 | POSTED BY JUSTAGIRL_IDAHO

I'm 48 and during the '80's that's exactly what this was. Make the "OK" signal and the person standing next would try to slip a finger through the "O" without making eye-contact. The end-result was a shoulder punch depending on whether or not eye-contact could be established and/or penetration actually occurred. Back in those days there were no instant replay officials. Get burned a coupe of times in short succession and you might end up with a bruise on your shoulder. The creativity of trying to get your friend to look at the "O" was tons of fun as was delivering punishment for being duped.

It's a fun and harmless game and certain scolds want to stamp it out.

#84 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-17 12:10 AM | Reply

#82 You're right about the circle game.

But the 4chan thing happened too. People decided to take that circle and give it their own special meaning.
4chan is also home to the people who put up "Its OK to be white" flyers on campuses for the express purpose of trolling the libs.

This situation is not too far afield from why we don't use the word "niggardly" any more. Except, they're misusing it on purpose and then pretending we're the ones overreacting.

#85 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 12:13 AM | Reply

It's weird how certain people here give reverence to a subset of anonymous trolls on 4chan. It's almost like you guys are working with them to keep the hoax alive.

"This situation is not too far afield from why we don't use the word "niggardly" any more. "

I'd love to see the people who defend the use of the word "dotard" but object to "niggardly" put against the wall.

#86 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-17 12:31 AM | Reply

"So you are unable to name anything.
It's important for you to simply state no amount of evidence would let you admit that race supremacy exists."

This is just a weird, baseless accusation. I don't even want to talk to you when you're coming at me like this.

#87 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-17 01:07 AM | Reply

What offensive, incendiary word is "dotard" sometimes mistaken for?

#88 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 01:45 AM | Reply

Is it "------?"

That's funny.

#89 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 01:48 AM | Reply

>this symbol has racist connotations
only after /pol/ consciously pushed this meme to see if journalists are herdlike and stupid enough to deem an otherwise completely innocuous gesture, or the "circle game", as rayyyyyciss - which they were, obviously. We are, have been, and will continue to laugh at your expense.

#90 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-12-17 01:59 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

>bringing negative light on the Corp that they represent and disrespect to their entire chain of command.
>leftists pretending to care about the optics and dignity of the military now that doing so plays into their "get huwhitey" scheme
GFY

#91 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-12-17 02:02 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

>people who put up "Its OK to be white" flyers on campuses for the express purpose of trolling the libs.
you don't understand the point of that campaign. It's okay; I'll let you in on a bit of info. The purpose is not "trolling the libs" - that's at best a desirable byproduct. The main purpose is to force those who are otherwise politically unengaged or minimally engaged to acknowledge leftist outrage at an innocuous and inoffensive slogan, thereby forcing "normies" (I can't use the proper nomenclature here) to recognize how rabidly anti-white leftists - including parts of the mainstream democratic party - have become. The same idea is behind the "okay" hand signal.
I'm not disclosing any privileged information, or even anything one would need to lurk a mongolian throat-singing enthusiast board in order to discover; during both campaigns, the purpose was barely if at all disguised. Leftist activists/journalists fell for it hook, line, and sinker anyway, because it's in their nature to inevitably do so.

#92 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-12-17 02:12 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

That this /pol/ op has now gained mainstream attention and therefore a lot of momentum doesn't negate the initial purpose, nor does it deny that individual users might be making such displays as acts of genuine rayyycism on behalf of the individual. It is amusing to see how easily leftists (of both the "thought-leader" and the -follower categories) can be turned to recoil in horror at hand gestures which were heretofore nearly universal.

#93 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-12-17 02:21 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Tony,

"We should focus on why all the others didn't feel compelled to make a gesture."

Very good point.

Out of hundreds of guys, a handful did it.

That doesn't make it ok.

But it does show racism is not as wide spread and commonly occurring as some try to make it sound.

#94 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-12-17 05:55 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

It used to be if a person was chiding another person about something you'd throw the "OK" symbol out as an annoyed way to acknowledge the point but show displeasure at being nitpicked.

Is there a way to reclaim what really is an innocuous hand-gesture?

#95 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-17 07:28 AM | Reply

The point of my post in #82 is pretty much that no matter how many times you guys say it was a known symbol, I had no clue, therefore it could have been so widely known. I am all for an investigation but if it turns out to me nothing more than some guys goofing around with no racist intent then it needs to be dropped. To get your panties in a twist because of a harmless hand gesture that recently was used in a bad way before we even know if that was the intent is ridiculous.

#96 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2019-12-17 09:32 AM | Reply

#96

Read post #77. These guys are likely gonzo because they violated the Code not to bring dishonor to the Corp by their public actions. The mere lack of appropriate decorum while in uniform will lead to their dismissal because it shows an open disrespect for their fellow Cadets, the Corp, and their superiors. The Corps exist as a singular unit joined in purpose and discipline, not a bunch of individual yah-bobs free to play silly hand gesture games while standing in uniform.

It would have been fine (1st Amendment rights and all) had they not been in uniform. Cadets are called to ascribe to the highest standards of conduct both personally and professionally. These cadets failed.

#97 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-17 10:07 AM | Reply

I understand your point Tony, and I do agree. I just think beyond the conduct while in uniform this is a common issue where someone does something stupidly harmless and it becomes a massive deal. I honestly did not know that was now a symbol for white pride and I feel like it is ridiculous to have jumped to that conclusion.

#98 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2019-12-17 10:22 AM | Reply

I just think beyond the conduct while in uniform this is a common issue where someone does something stupidly harmless and it becomes a massive deal.

It's only a "deal" because white supremacists adopted the childish gesture to mean a symbol of hatred in order to pwn those who oppose them. And then the "joke" took off and became a real thing for members of their tribe. This is common knowledge today and why the act being done under these circumstances is controversial.

If the black cadet had been making the same gesture, then no one would have said a thing about it. But as yet, not a single person has posted an example of anyone other than white people using the symbol recently in public to my knowledge. I find it hard to believe that those doing it weren't aware of the multiple meanings the symbol represents and the controversy of one particular usage.

I'm more than willing to now chalk it up to being an innocuous game, but again, that game had no business being played by those cadets in that venue due to the inappropriateness of it since such unnecessary menial conduct could be misinterpreted and bring negative light on the Corps as a whole, which is exactly what has happened:

"The United States Military Academy is fully committed to developing leaders of character who embody the Army values," Lt. Gen. Darryl Williams, the academy's superintendent, said in a statement.
As it should be. Throwing the ambiguous sing showed a stunning lack of character and foresight into the likely repercussions for having done so in the first place. There's an adage about 'time and place.' That was not the time and that was not the place to play such an unnecessary game, period. The why doesn't cover for having done it.

#99 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-17 10:52 AM | Reply

They'll get an NJP and life will move on.

#100 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-12-17 12:44 PM | Reply

I'm more than willing to now chalk it up to being an innocuous game,
#99 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

So now I gotta ask, am I still, 'A 4Chan, showing my true appalling colors to anyone believing in the promise of America values outside of white supremacy and pushing Russian disinformation into its bloodstream.'
Or are we good?

#101 | Posted by 6thPersona at 2019-12-17 01:26 PM | Reply

#101

Touche'.

But there's still no excuse for that IRA-issued Ukraine hit piece. All you had to do is read it, and google the details. Nothing connected, but yet you didn't.

Admit that, then we're good.

#102 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-17 01:34 PM | Reply

I'll admit that that piece was tainted. Yes, I should have done due diligence. But I honestly believe that the story isn't over yet.
So, we good, yes? What time is Xmas dinner?

#103 | Posted by 6thPersona at 2019-12-17 01:53 PM | Reply

"I had no clue, therefore it could have been so widely known"

It's been in the news for over a year now, people who have some affiliation or proximity to loose Trump, making the circle in pictures.

#104 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 01:55 PM | Reply

This article gives the story:

How the 'OK' hand sign became controversial
www.stripes.com

Spolier alert: white nationalists decided to co-opt it.
See also: the poor little swastika.

#105 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 02:02 PM | Reply

I feel like it is ridiculous to have jumped to that conclusion.

It's not safe to conclude they're white nationalists, not from this alone.

That's kind of the whole damn point of the game. It legitimizes white nationalist displays.... because they could just be saying OK, or they could be sending a coded message. It's like when newspapers call blacks who commit violent crimes thugs, while whites are troubled. Maybe racist, maybe not...

#106 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 02:07 PM | Reply

#103

Twelfth of never, lol. But we're good.

#107 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-12-17 02:10 PM | Reply

See also: the star of David, the Olympic Torch, pointing while simultaneously giving the thumbs up sign, Snoofy's browser history, etc.

#108 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-17 02:18 PM | Reply

"That's kind of the whole damn point of the game. It legitimizes white nationalist displays...."

The game of continuing to perpetuate this hoax legitimizes white nationalist displays. Is there nothing that you're not willing to cede to bigots and actual hate groups if anonymous internet trolls dare to pwn you on it?

#109 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-17 02:26 PM | Reply

The okay symbol is like the new pentagram.

#110 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-17 02:30 PM | Reply

I had no clue, therefore it could have been so widely known.

#96 | POSTED BY JUSTAGIRL_IDAHO AT 2019-12-17 09:32 AM |

I learn new things every day and many of them are widely known, just not to me. I never heard about it being used in this manner before the first time I heard about it being used in this manner. Instead of dismissing it because I hadn't heard about it already I investigated and found that yes it is in common use among white supremacist groups.

#111 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-12-17 02:51 PM | Reply

Next up: the traditional handshake is a secret code for [insert evil group here]

#112 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-17 03:03 PM | Reply

If we keep this up, emphatically slapping a palm over your codpiece and thrusting your hips toward someone will be interpreted as 'eat me!'

#113 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2019-12-17 03:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

If they would have just flashed hammer and sickle tattoos the leftists would be praising them for their bravery.

#114 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-12-17 03:19 PM | Reply

the only Good Nazi
is a Dead Nazi...

#115 | Posted by earthmuse at 2019-12-17 03:29 PM | Reply

Nullifidian is a white nationalist nowadays.

It's too bad he won't say how that came to paas.

#116 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 03:30 PM | Reply

"hammer and sickle tattoos"

Lightweights. A true comrade carries around an actual hammer and sickle at all times.

#117 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-17 03:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"the only Good Nazi
is a Grammar Nazi..."

Fixed that for you.

#118 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-17 03:31 PM | Reply

"hoax"

It's not a hoax when white nationalists use the circle sign.

#119 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 03:34 PM | Reply

It's not a hoax when white nationalists use the traditional handshake. It's not a hoax when white nationalists drink milk. It's not a hoax when white nationalists engage in the soggy biscuit game. Yet you probably do all of those things.

#120 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-17 03:36 PM | Reply

"It's not a hoax when white nationalists use the traditional handshake."

Nobody said it was, Swastika Rehabilitator.

#121 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 03:41 PM | Reply

Sentinel goose steps around the office, arm extended from the neck out onto an open downward-facing palm, loudly asking "WHAT???"

#122 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-12-17 03:41 PM | Reply

hoax
/hks/
noun
a humorous or malicious deception.
"they recognized the plan as a hoax"

^
Let's take a moment to contemplate the character of a person would portray being a white nationalist as "a humorous or malicious deception."

They're either okay with white nationalism, or seeking to provoke outrage among sensible people who aren't.

Or, more likely, they're both of those things.

Mostly, I just want to be sure that people like Idaho can see what side people like Sentinel and Nullifidian's bread is buttered on.

#123 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 03:47 PM | Reply

"Or, more likely, they're both of those things."

Do you think all Metal Heads are Satanists, too? That's basically what you're doing here, with this 700 Club logic.

#124 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-17 03:56 PM | Reply

"Do you think all Metal Heads are Satanists, too?"

Being a Satanist isn't even a bad thing, so I wouldn't even care if metalheads are satanists. en.wikipedia.org

You don't think being a Nazi is a bad thing, which is why you want to rehabilitate the Swastika, and why you're creating a massive smokescreen right here in this thread. Particularly the part where you went for the emotional appeal of calling out satanists, you really tipped your hand. Plus, you felt compelled to start your own thread about "misunderstood" symbols, which was sort of like you going on parade.

Carry on.

#125 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 04:03 PM | Reply

"You don't think being a Nazi is a bad thing

Assuming you're talking about the German Nazis from WW2, or anyone who admires or sympathizes with them, that's a patently false statement. You're jumping to that conclusion in the same way Pat Robertson et al. assume anyone who uses the pentagram or devil horns sympathize with the types of satanists who commit human sacrifice, molest children, torture animals, etc.

#126 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-17 04:25 PM | Reply

"You're jumping to that conclusion in the same way Pat Robertson et al. assume anyone who uses the pentagram or devil horns sympathize with the types of satanists who commit human sacrifice"

"satanists who commit human sacrifice"

That never happened, or if it did, it never happened as part of a state's political agenda, carried out by government agents, like the men making the circle in this story.

It certainly never happened like to the extent Nazism did, which actually performed about 13,000,000 human sacrifices in the name of the white race.

You'll get nothing but relentless pro-Nazi propaganda and apology from Sentinel. Hopefully this thread makes that abundantly clear!

Meanwhile, back in reality, Here is the truth of using "Satansim" as a slur:

In their study of Satanism, the religious studies scholars Asbjrn Dyrendal, James R. Lewis, and Jesper Aa. Petersen stated that the term Satanism "has a history of being a designation made by people against those whom they dislike; it is a term used for 'othering'".[5] The concept of Satanism is an invention of Christianity, for it relies upon the figure of Satan, a character deriving from Christian mythology.[6]
Elsewhere, Petersen noted that "Satanism as something others do is very different from Satanism as a self-designation".[7] Eugene Gallagher noted that, as commonly used, Satanism was usually "a polemical, not a descriptive term".[8]
en.wikipedia.org

#127 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 05:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Is there a way to reclaim what really is an innocuous hand-gesture?

#95 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Probably will revert back to being the ballgazing game after Trump's out of office

#128 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-12-17 05:18 PM | Reply

Is there a way to reclaim what really is an innocuous hand-gesture?
#95 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Ask Sentinel.
His life's work is to rehabilitate the Swastika.
Looks like you may have found your calling, JeffJ.

#129 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 05:19 PM | Reply

So...I was out of town for a while. I heard about this, but I figured the cadets were doing a "Heil Hitler" or something. Not flashing an "OK" sign.

You guys are f*****g retarded. When you find their KKK membership cards or something they've posted online to suggest that they're racist, get em. Until then, go find something more productive to do with your time than pick on officer candidates.

#130 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 05:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"officer candidates."

WTF?!? Officer candidates are doing this, and pretending they don't understand it?!?

#131 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-17 05:47 PM | Reply

I literally, LITERALLY, have given the "OK" sign at least twice in the last 24 hours. To let the flight attendants know I didn't need another glass of water or a wet towel. Should I be thankful they didn't land the plane and have me arrested for possibly being a domestic terrorist?

Oh, and the flight was into Germany as well...so there's that.

#132 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 05:48 PM | Reply

"WTF?!? Officer candidates are doing this, and pretending they don't understand it?!?"

Read #132.

#133 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 05:48 PM | Reply

"I literally, LITERALLY, have given the "OK" sign at least twice in the last 24 hours"

So edgy!
Give yourself a brown shirt on the fridge when you get home, okay? You've earned it.

#134 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 05:49 PM | Reply

"Should I be thankful they didn't land the plane and have me arrested for possibly being a domestic terrorist?"

Anyone can be arrested for possibly being a domestic terrorist, over a hand gesture?
Have you considered giving thanks for that? Sounds like exactly the type of society you want. One ruled with an iron fist.

#135 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 05:50 PM | Reply

Actually, ----. I'm an active duty Military Officer. Maybe soon I'll find myself of on the cover of Slate...a fellow passenger having flashed the "OK" sign at the flight attendant.

Maybe I'll be the next one under investigation.

#136 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 05:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The "OK" sign is also used by military aviators to communicate with their fellow flight members under certain conditions.

Someone should notify the New York Times.

#137 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 05:53 PM | Reply

"Anyone can be arrested for possibly being a domestic terrorist, over a hand gesture? Have you considered giving thanks for that? Sounds like exactly the type of society you want. One ruled with an iron fist."

You're an adorable little feller.

#138 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 05:54 PM | Reply

"The "OK" sign is also used by military aviators to communicate with their fellow flight members under certain conditions."

And it's also the sign language word for the word "bubble."

#139 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 05:55 PM | Reply

"You'll get nothing but relentless pro-Nazi propaganda and apology from Sentinel. Hopefully this thread makes that abundantly clear!"

It's clear you have no coherent state of mind, or are unable to communicate it coherently. You just said the guys playing the circle were government agents! It's tempting to do tit-for-tat and call you a pro-Satan worshiper, but this is all just a trolling came for you, isn't it?

Carry on.

#140 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-17 05:56 PM | Reply

#136

I totally screed that one up.

My point was the offer up the possibility that I could find myself under investigation or public scrutiny, had a fellow passenger taken a quick cell phone snap of me flashing the "ok" sign. Which I definitely did.

I guess I'm just not yet woke enough...

#141 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 05:56 PM | Reply

"You just said the guys playing the circle were government agents!"

My first clue was the government uniforms.
What was yours?

#142 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 05:57 PM | Reply

"Read #132."

Are you going to pretend the guy throwing the sign behind the TV announcer was signaling to another pilot?!?

#143 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-17 05:58 PM | Reply

"My point was the offer up the possibility that I could find myself under investigation or public scrutiny"

Yeah, so?
Are you supposed to be immune from public scrutiny or something?
There's an easy fix for that, one that many of your fellow Deplorables have already adopted: Never leave your house.

#144 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 05:58 PM | Reply

"...the guys playing the circle..."

First, let's all pretend we're stupid...

#145 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-17 05:59 PM | Reply

"Are you going to pretend the guy throwing the sign behind the TV announcer was signaling to another pilot?"

^
This is a good question, Danforth.
Really cuts to the heart of the issue.

#146 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 05:59 PM | Reply

"You'll get nothing but relentless pro-Nazi propaganda and apology from Sentinel. Hopefully this thread makes that abundantly clear!"

Maybe you could be a doll and aggregate all this pro-Nazi propaganda...

...to make it easier for the proletariat to digest it, of course.

#147 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 06:01 PM | Reply

"First, let's all pretend we're stupid..."

Nah, I think you've got that covered for the rest of us.

#148 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-17 06:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Are you going to pretend the guy throwing the sign behind the TV announcer was signaling to another pilot?!?"

Are you going to pretend that I was signaling the flight attendant my support for white supremacy?

Just out of curiosity, who else in this immediate conversation has been an officer cadet...other than me?

#149 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 06:03 PM | Reply

"I think you've got that covered for the rest of us."

Fat talk from Mr. Swastika Rehabilitator.

#150 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-17 06:04 PM | Reply

""Are you going to pretend the guy throwing the sign behind the TV announcer was signaling to another pilot?"

Are you going to pretend the entire cast and crew of Malcolm in the Middle were white supremacists?

#151 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-17 06:04 PM | Reply

"...to make it easier for the proletariat to digest it, of course"

I am confident everyone with at least a sixth grade... okay eighth grade reading level can separate the wheat from the chaff, the way this thread has played out.
Congratulations, you (helped) built that!

#152 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 06:04 PM | Reply

"Are you going to pretend the entire cast and crew of Malcolm in the Middle were white supremacists?"

No, they were signaling to the other pilots, dummy!

#153 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 06:04 PM | Reply

"Are you going to pretend that I was signaling the flight attendant my support for white supremacy?"

No.

Your turn to answer honestly.

#154 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-17 06:05 PM | Reply

"Just out of curiosity, who else in this immediate conversation has been an officer cadet...other than me?"

Just out of curiosity, what's it matter? Is there some moral relativism that's only available to those who joined ROTC in high school?

#155 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 06:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Comments, Boaz?

#156 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-12-17 06:09 PM | Reply

The cadets through out the circle game sign. Wanna know why? Because the DoD had already figured out what the "shocker" sign meant.

A decade ago, snarky new officers used to throw out "the shocker" whenever a photographer was around. At one point it got included into an AF aviation safety video. Someone realized what it was, the video was pulled, and the perp who pulled the shocker punished. The shocker does not effectively exist anymore.

Before dudes were drawing dicks in the sky over Syria, they were drawing the shocker over Afghanistan. All those guys are senior officers now.

Good thing they hadn't drawn an OK sign in the sky, or they would be looking at some serious consequences.

#157 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 06:10 PM | Reply

"No, they were signaling to the other pilots, dummy!"

Well now the truth is revealed.

#158 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-17 06:12 PM | Reply

"Your turn to answer honestly."

Read 157.

"Just out of curiosity, what's it matter? Is there some moral relativism that's only available to those who joined ROTC in high school?"

Read #157.

And ROTC is a college thing. An avenue for commission. High School kids are not eligible for commissioning programs.

#159 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 06:12 PM | Reply

"I heard about this, but I figured the cadets were doing a "Heil Hitler" or something."

Heil Hitler sign?

No, that's called a Bellamy Salute! en.m.wikipedia.org

Millions of American children saluted the flag that way, while giving the Pledge of Allegiance.

How dare you call them all Nazis.

You monster.

#160 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 06:13 PM | Reply

"the circle game sign."

Why haven't their superiors taught them it can be misinterpreted? Why wouldn't they? And are these cadets total morons?

#161 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-17 06:14 PM | Reply

"Fat talk from Mr. Swastika Rehabilitator."

Thanks, now I know I should never take any of your posts more seriously than Snoofy's.

#162 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-17 06:14 PM | Reply

"Read 157."

I did.

You still haven't answered my direct question directly. Usually that means the honest answer is an embarrassing one.

#163 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-17 06:15 PM | Reply

"now I know I should never take any of your posts more seriously than Snoofy's."

You've been a swastika apologist since forever. Why try to hide it now?

#164 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-17 06:16 PM | Reply

"Why haven't their superiors taught them it can be misinterpreted? Why wouldn't they? And are these cadets total morons?"

interpreted as what? The circle game or some sort of Nazi --------?

I don't think anybody outside of the "woke left" is looking at this as representing some support for white power. I know I've never gotten any memos. And had I been in that candidates chain of command, my only comment would have been that you just embarrassed yourself for perpetuity by doing that, as the picture will be around forever and everyone knows you're flashing a sneaky circle game sign. If they had flashed the shocker though...that would be a bit more serious in all likelyhood.

#165 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 06:19 PM | Reply

"You still haven't answered my direct question directly. Usually that means the honest answer is an embarrassing one."

I like you Dan, but I have no idea what your question even is. It appears to be a deflection away from the fact that this could be a witch hunt by the woke against cadets who have no idea what they're being targeted for. Frame your question clearly and I will gladly answer.

#166 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 06:21 PM | Reply

"Why haven't their superiors taught them it can be misinterpreted? Why wouldn't they?

Probably because unlike you and other Snoofy Sniffers they don't pay reverence to the small subset of where 4chan and white racists intersect.

And are these cadets total morons?"

Probably, but likely for reasons which have nothing to do with the hoax you're perpetrating.

#167 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-17 06:21 PM | Reply

Tough break Danforth!

The Swastika Rehabilitator is going to make a point of twisting your words to promote his not-so-crypto-Nazi agenda.

#168 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 06:23 PM | Reply

"interpreted as what?"

So now YOU'RE going to pretend you're stupid?!?

"I don't think anybody outside of the "woke left" is looking at this as representing some support for white power."

So...not pretending.
newsone.com

#169 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-17 06:25 PM | Reply

"I don't think anybody outside of the "woke left" is looking at this as representing some support for white power."

More like, everyone on the right is bending over backwards to say it couldn't possibly be white nationalism.

#170 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 06:25 PM | Reply

"cadets who have no idea what they're being targeted for."

Don't you blame their superior officers, for not educating them?

"I have no idea what your question even is. "

Then take your own repeated advice, and read it. The direct question is right there.

#171 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-17 06:27 PM | Reply

"You've been a swastika apologist since forever. Why try to hide it now?"

I'm not hiding anything. You and the Snoofy bot are pretending the swastika is inherently bad, just like some people pretend the Star of David is bad because a country that did some bad things uses it on its flag.

#172 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-17 06:28 PM | Reply

"they don't pay reverence to the small subset of where 4chan and white racists intersect."

Well, they certainly should. The only hoax here is your pretense.

#173 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-17 06:29 PM | Reply

"So now YOU'RE going to pretend you're stupid?!?"

I'm not pretending anything. Either I am or I' not.

Maybe you should petition my superiors to have Newsone provide a morning briefing to military officers in order to ensure that we're sufficiently informed on news and information for and about Blacks in America.

#174 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 06:30 PM | Reply

"More like, everyone on the right is bending over backwards to say it couldn't possibly be white nationalism."

It absolutely could be...but it would more possibly be something else.

Just like my flashing the OK sign on an aircraft yesterday could have indicated my support for white nationalism. It didn't, but had you been there, and had you taken a snap of me giving the OK sign, I have no doubts that you'd be linking me with Nazis.

#175 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 06:32 PM | Reply

Don't you blame their superior officers, for not educating them?

Some senior officers have trouble logging into their own workstations. One handy example which is public knowledge is HRC's computer issues as SecState. You think they're really in tune with the latest wokeness trends?

The only savior here would be the PAOs...maybe. And that's a big stretch.

#176 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-12-17 06:36 PM | Reply

Oh dear. The military's own "The Stars and Stripes" newspaper is part of the Woke Left now.

Its just like Trump said, the whole damn press is the enemy of the state!

"How the 'OK' hand sign became controversial"
www.stripes.com

#177 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 06:36 PM | Reply

"Don't you blame their superior officers, for not educating them?"

Coupla things. +

First, I think this is only making rounds within the "woke" community. This is not something I've ever heard of before. And unless it was circulated through the DoD to direct cadest to not use these symbols, there is no reason to expect that their superiors would do so.

And, If white supremacists elected to take up saluting each other, should the DoD abolish salutes?

I'm not saying it would be a bad idea, but I don't know if national policy should be built around what a bunch of fringe ------- are doing. In some ways, the best thing the government could do to legitimize these groups is to continually respond to their nonsense. And I say that as a dude who had relatives in concentration camps.

#178 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 06:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#177

Did you even read the article?

What would your life be like without someone to spoon feed you?

#179 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 06:39 PM | Reply

"Well, they certainly should."

This is the crux of the issue here. Most rational people think that subgroup is irrelevant and will probably go away if you ignore them. You want to raise them up and make them far more important than they really are. What you're doing here is basically the same as what people like Tucker Carlson do when they trawl for localized examples of left wing idiocy, hypocrisy and hate and sensationalize it like it's a front page story.

#180 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-17 06:40 PM | Reply

You guys are f*****g retarded. When you find their KKK membership cards or something they've posted online to suggest that they're racist, get em. Until then, go find something more productive to do with your time than pick on officer candidates.

#130 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

/Co-sign. These woke folks on the blogs have nothing but time on their hands to try and make something out of nothing.

#181 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-12-17 06:40 PM | Reply

"You and the Snoofy (both) are pretending the swastika is inherently bad."

Only in the "context" of history.

For example, I wouldn't fault prior users of that symbol, just like I don't fault Al Jolson for appearing in blackface in 1929. But if some kid today wanted to don blackface, or employ the swastika, I'd feel it was my duty to explain why that's a bad idea. The fact these kids' officers aren't doing the same, speaks volumes.

Here's another parallel: a PR firm in Austin called itself "Strange Fruit", got blowback, and changed its name. You might not know the reference, but once you do, you'd never name your company in that manner, and you'd warn off friends from making that mistake as well.
houston.culturemap.com

#182 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-17 06:41 PM | Reply

"This is not something I've ever heard of before."

Strange Fruit, indeed.

#183 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-17 06:42 PM | Reply

And, If white supremacists elected to take up saluting each other, should the DoD abolish salutes?

Gotta admit, it was nice going TDY to a place where there was a lengthy "uncovered"/no salute space between the parking lot and the building

#184 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-12-17 06:43 PM | Reply

" If white supremacists elected to take up saluting each other, should the DoD abolish salutes? "

Like they don't do the straight-armed one, with the palm down?

#185 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-17 06:43 PM | Reply

"It absolutely could be...but it would more possibly be something else."

Yeah, so?

#186 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 06:44 PM | Reply

"You and the Snoofy (both) are pretending the swastika is inherently bad."

Nah.

A swastika is a symbol.

The thing that's bad is what the swastika symbolizes in contemporary Western society. Which is Nazism.

This grows tiresome.

But then, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

#187 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 06:48 PM | Reply

#182

If you spend any time in Asia, the swastika, even ones accompanied with the Nazi stuff, are pretty common pop culture icons.

Leftist supporters of Hong Kong's democratic movement would demand the Chinese government move in and crush it, if they knew that Hong Kong had allowed citizens to wear Nazi paraphernalia. Same with Singapore. National Socialism (or their symbols) was in high demand over there.

#188 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 06:49 PM | Reply

"had you been there, and had you taken a snap of me giving the OK sign, I have no doubts that you'd be linking me with Nazis."

Make-believe victim is a good look for you!

#189 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 06:53 PM | Reply

--These woke folks on the blogs have nothing but time on their hands to try and make something out of nothing.

That's for sure. Must be unemployed or paid activists. Or both.

#190 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-12-17 06:54 PM | Reply

Msgt,

"Just all too funny [the lefties] as the A-OK sign has been in use for decades"

This is a terrific live version of All I Want for Christmas by Mariah Carey.

www.youtube.com

Don't look at her hands though.

Hate for anyone to get the wrong idea about her. This song is a MUST for the holidays. (especially THIS performance)

If the link doesn't work...go to Youtube and search "Divas Holiday"

#191 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-12-17 07:09 PM | Reply

"Leftist supporters of Hong Kong's democratic movement would demand the Chinese government move in and crush it"

Was it heavy to carry those goalposts all the way to Hong Kong?

#192 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-17 07:09 PM | Reply

"Make-believe victim is a good look for you!"

I'm not a victim.

Apparently, there was no one on that plane who was "woke" enough to victimize me.

Had there been...someone would be demanding I be investigated.

#193 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 07:10 PM | Reply

"the A-OK sign has been in use for decades""

It has.

The swastika was used before as well. So was blackface. And yellow face for Asian characters. Would you encourage their usage today???

And since I have your attention, maybe YOU can answer the question MB avoids: who was the cadet signaling by throwing the sign behind a TV announcer?

#194 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-17 07:12 PM | Reply

"But then, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance."

Unless you're a Bernie supporter...than it's OK to exercise a little less vigilance.

#195 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 07:13 PM | Reply

"And since I have your attention, maybe YOU can answer the question MB avoids: who was the cadet signaling by throwing the sign behind a TV announcer?"

Oh, Oh, Me. Me. Me.

He was one-upping his friends by doing the circle game in National TV.

You clearly need to find a way to send that little MF'r to a re-education camp. He's not nearly "woke" enough.

And if he cries, beat him even harder.

#196 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 07:16 PM | Reply

Thank goodness we had the media to tell us the ok sign is racist.

We might have never known.

#197 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-12-17 07:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Well...and these guys might never have used it.

#198 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-12-17 07:19 PM | Reply

#197

I think you nailed it.

But in all fairness, not all of us have the time to research what is woke/unwoke.

That takes a special kind of person.

#199 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 07:21 PM | Reply

Mad,

"That takes a special kind of person."

Yea...unemployed.

#200 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-12-17 07:22 PM | Reply

I'm sure Snoofy has a sexier name for the condition..."woke" maybe?

#201 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 07:25 PM | Reply

Can you be woke and employed?

Seems like it would be more effort than a progressive would be capable of...one or the other only.

#202 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 07:26 PM | Reply

Nahhh....I recant the last post.

#203 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-12-17 07:28 PM | Reply

"If you spend any time in Asia, the swastika, even ones accompanied with the Nazi stuff, are pretty common pop culture icons."

I haven't been to Asia in almost 10 years, but when I traveled through Tibet and southwest China there were swastikas everywhere, and they had absolutely nothing to do with Nazi stuff. A couple of years ago I read an article about how the Japanese had to suppress their own culture in their own country, because some foreign tourists were offended by swastikas on Buddhist temples. I would never defend the identifiably Nazi stuff, even as a part of pop culture. But these people clearly want any mundane swastika symbol to be labeled as Nazi stuff, and they feel it's their duty to West-splain why it's a bad idea to anyone who uses it where a Westerner can see it, even if they're harassing people who sincerely see it as a religious or spiritual symbol. Gotta let those yellow and brown Asians know that what a bunch of white dudes did in the last century trumps thousands of years of their own cultural history.

#204 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-17 07:29 PM | Reply

Apparently, there was no one on that plane who was "woke" enough to victimize me.
Had there been...someone would be demanding I be investigated.
#193 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

(MAKE-BELIEVE VICTIM STATUS INTENSIFIES)

#205 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 07:29 PM | Reply

Mad,

Woke is relative.

Not even worth the discussion.

One of the lamest things I've heard the last couple of years.

Makes no sense but sounds smart.

#206 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-12-17 07:31 PM | Reply

"Unless you're a Bernie supporter...than it's OK to exercise a little less vigilance."

While both of us agree it might not be Nazism,
Only one of us is being vigilant for signs of possible Nazism.
Thanks for reading and understanding.

#207 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 07:31 PM | Reply

"First, I think this is only making rounds within the "woke" community."

The Wall Street Journal is woke!
West Point, Annapolis Officials Investigating Possible White Power' Hand Sign
www.wsj.com

The Chicago Tribune is woke!
OK sign is under siege: How the squeaky-clean hand gesture was twisted by trolls and acquired racist undertones
www.chicagotribune.com

Stormfront is woke!
Chicago Cubs Ban Fan Who Flashed 4chan-Memed "OK" Hand Gesture Behind Black Reporter
www.stormfront.org/forum/t1279315/ (not hotlinked because that would be giving Nazis a platform, but the comments are worth it)

#208 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 07:36 PM | Reply

#205

Easy Champ...I'm not the victim.

You need to think about the feelings of everyone else on that aircraft when I flashed an "OK" sign.

How many of them were victimized by my actions?

Noone said anything, but I'm sure it had to be because they no longer viewed that aircraft as a safe space.

#209 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 07:42 PM | Reply

"but the comments are worth it"

It's clear you spend a lot of time on that site.

#210 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-17 07:43 PM | Reply

"Only one of us is being vigilant for signs of possible Nazism."

And only one of us is speaking out against socialism...national or otherwise.

Can I assume you'll support Bernie's boot-->throat approach to healthcare?

#211 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 07:45 PM | Reply

#208

Well then clearly you need to create re-education camps for these wayward cadets...I don't see them becoming "woke" outside the guidance of someone such as yourself.

You still need a job, right?

#212 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 07:47 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

My point is the people who are using the sign now were educated about it by the so-called "woke" people.

Sort of like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

This is a relatively recent thing.

Sort of stupid really.

Giving racists just one more way to get attention for themselves and ruining a perfectly good hand sign.

#213 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-12-17 07:49 PM | Reply

I wonder if the left would be as supportive of attacks against socialists that weren't national socialists...I'm guessing not.

#214 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 07:49 PM | Reply

"Only one of us is being vigilant for signs of possible Nazism."

One must be constantly vigilant for signs of Witchcraft.

#215 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-17 07:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"My point is the people who are using the sign now were educated about it by the so-called "woke" people."

I've never heard 4chan trolls described as "woke" before... but okay.

"Sort of like a self-fulfilling prophecy."

To review: 4chan trolls decided to say the circle is a white power symbol.

Then, the nationalists started using the circle as a white power symbol.

I agree with you, BillJohnson! It's a self fulfilling prophecy about a new symbol for white nationalism.

#216 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 07:55 PM | Reply

"One must be constantly vigilant for signs of Witchcraft."

Did Nazis murder millions?
Did witches murder millions?

Equating Nazi hunters with witch hunts is something only a Nazi apologist would do.

#217 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 08:00 PM | Reply

"You need to think about the feelings of everyone else on that aircraft when I flashed an "OK" sign."

Why?
Was that a thing you thought about?

#218 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 08:01 PM | Reply

"You clearly need to find a way to send that little MF'r to a re-education camp. "

Not him, -------; his officers.

#219 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-17 08:03 PM | Reply

Should we be equally concered with signs of socialism?

What should we do if a cadet were to be caught wearing a Che Guevara T-shirt?

#220 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 08:07 PM | Reply

"Did witches murder millions?"

Clearly anyone with spiritual practices that deviate from modern Christianity is a witch, so yes! Now that you know, you can help me root these people out... unless you're a Witch sympathizer.

#221 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-17 08:07 PM | Reply

"Not him, -------; his officers."

I think this is a "woke" thing.

If SECDEF was not aware of this, should he be dismissed?

I think you're unusually out of your element here, Donny,

#222 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 08:09 PM | Reply

"What should we do if a cadet were to be caught wearing a Adolf Hitler T-shirt?"

Change the topic to Che Guevara.
That's what you should do, MadBomber.

#223 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 08:10 PM | Reply

"the people who are using the sign now were educated about it by the so-called "woke" people."

And how did blackface go out of style?

And why did the company change its name from "Strange Fruit"?

#224 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-17 08:11 PM | Reply

"Did Nazis murder millions?"

Socialists DID murder millions.

About 20m for the National Socialists...far more for the Soviet Socialists...

Should we be concerned about Bernie supporters? Maybe lock them up too?

#225 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 08:11 PM | Reply

"Clearly anyone with spiritual practices that deviate from modern Christianity is a witch, so yes! Now that you know, you can help me root these people out."

^
Swastika Rehabilitators say the darnedest things!

#226 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 08:12 PM | Reply

#223

A cadet caught wearing a Hitler T-Shirt will no longer be a cadet. Period.

Would you have issues with that?

#227 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 08:13 PM | Reply

"Did Nazis murder millions?"

Socialists DID murder millions.

^
Nazis are the same as socialists to you, so, nice try!

#228 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 08:13 PM | Reply

"Circle game."

If it's a game, there are black cadets playing along too, right?

#229 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-17 08:13 PM | Reply

Did anyone read the article I posted on the back page, about the 10 Symbols with Conflicting Meanings? In one of them, it says the OK sign is also a Buddhist symbol, and in other contexts it's used to represent a part of the human anatomy. Clearly this is an indication that these guys may be deaf Buddhists who engage in sodomy with each other. It's clearly obvious to anyone who's vigilant for signs of possible homosexuality.

#230 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-17 08:13 PM | Reply

"A cadet caught wearing a Hitler T-Shirt will no longer be a cadet."

Because of a "woke" culture. At least be honest enough to finish that sentence.

#231 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-17 08:14 PM | Reply

"A cadet caught wearing a Hitler T-Shirt will no longer be a cadet. Period."

How about the same a cadet making a white power sign.

Would you have issues with that?

#232 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 08:14 PM | Reply

"It's clearly obvious to anyone who's vigilant for signs of possible homosexuality."

Oh, you're WhiteDevil.
Explains a lot.
Find the gay gene yet, to facilitate aborting gay fetuses?

#233 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 08:16 PM | Reply

I'm not a cadet anymore, but if some new officer were to display any sort of white supremacist tendencies, he'd be done.

We don't ---- around.

I get that selective prejudice and hatred is justified with -------- like you, because it's ideologically justified...but not so much with -------- like me.

You're as much an ------- is your a national socialist as you are if you're any other form of socialist.

#234 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 08:18 PM | Reply

"If it's a game, there are black cadets playing along too, right?"

Not saying the started it...but they may have started it.

It'd been around for a long time.

#235 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 08:19 PM | Reply

"How about the same a cadet making a white power sign. Would you have issues with that?"

I made a white power sign yesterday on an airplane.

I think your mission needs to be seeing me removed from active duty for having displayed a white power sign.

#236 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 08:21 PM | Reply

"If it's a game, there are black cadets playing along too, right?"

Where there are or not doesn't prove anything one way or the other. You know that there are black 4chan trolls too, right?

#237 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-17 08:21 PM | Reply

"Nazis are the same as socialists to you, so, nice try!"

Uhh ... National Socialist???

You must be new.

#238 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 08:22 PM | Reply

"How about the same a cadet making a white power sign"

Next up: 4chan trolls you into believing the "whatever" sign is also a white power sign.

#239 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-17 08:26 PM | Reply

It's not about what I believe.
It's about what white nationalists believe.
One of those things is the circle is a symbol of their beliefs.

#240 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 08:29 PM | Reply

"I made a white power sign yesterday on an airplane."

In that case, you were lying when you said your gesture meant "OK."
Anything else you want to get off your chest?

#241 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 08:30 PM | Reply

"Oh, you're WhiteDevil."

You just can't help yourself from mocking Asians, can you? Whether it's their culture or the way some of them talk.

#242 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-17 08:31 PM | Reply

In that case, you were lying when you said your gesture meant "OK." Anything else you want to get off your chest?

It did mean OK.

But apparently that doesn't matter when compared to what the "wokes" feel it means.

#243 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 08:32 PM | Reply

"Not saying (blacks) started it...but they may have started it."

Wow. Just wow. No low too low, huh?

"Where there are or not doesn't prove anything one way or the other. "

Sure it does: if it's a game, everyone is in on it. Where are the black cadets playing that game?

#244 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-17 08:33 PM | Reply

You just can't help yourself from mocking Asians, can you?

I can mock whoever I want, but that's beside the point:
WhiteDevil was a DR regular for a while, working at a eugenics company looking for the "gay gene" so Chinese parents could abort their undesirable, dare I say subhuman, gay babies.

#245 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 08:33 PM | Reply

"It's not about what I believe.
It's about what white nationalists believe."

You ARE a white nationalist. You just haven't admitted it to yourself yet. All the signs are there. You hang out on storm front. What those people think is important to you. You want to keep "Western" culture segregated from non-Western ideas.

#246 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-17 08:33 PM | Reply

"It's about what white nationalists believe."

Do you think we should ban the hammer an cycle? What about Che Guevara shirts?

We need to nip this thing in the bud, right?

#247 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 08:34 PM | Reply

"But apparently that doesn't matter when compared to what the "wokes" feel it means."

So are you woke to what a swastika means, or have you graduated from Sentinel's (Sentinel is the name for an officer rank in the Klan, by the way) rehabilitation course?

#248 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 08:35 PM | Reply

"Do you think we should ban the hammer an cycle? What about Che Guevara shirts?"

Do you think you should move the goalposts to Red Square, or is Cuba far enough?

#249 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 08:35 PM | Reply

"Wow. Just wow. No low too low, huh?"

Made you look.

As an enlisted troop, I had African American guys going this back in 1997-1998. And Caucasians. And pretty much everyone else.

#250 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 08:36 PM | Reply

"Do you think you should move the goalposts to Red Square, or is Cuba far enough?"

You tell me.

I socialism OK if it's not National Socialism?

Let me let you own the goalposts for a moment...

#251 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-17 08:38 PM | Reply

"Do you think we should ban the hammer an cycle? "

No: one is a great tool, especially for putting nails in place. The other is a wonderful wheeled ergonomic invention.

"As an enlisted troop, I had African American guys going this back in 1997-1998. "

Then it should be easy to find black cadets doing this today. Go right ahead.

#252 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-17 08:38 PM | Reply

"Made you look."

By suggesting blacks are behind the current "white power" sign?

No low too low, obviously.

#253 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-17 08:40 PM | Reply

Are you going to pretend that I was signaling the flight attendant my support for white supremacy?
#149 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Pretend?

I'm not a cadet anymore, but if some new officer were to display any sort of white supremacist tendencies, he'd be done.
We don't ---- around.
#234 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

I made a white power sign yesterday on an airplane.
#236 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

^
Looks like you're the one who is both pretending and ------- around.
Be sure to turn yourself in, okay!

#254 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 08:52 PM | Reply

"By suggesting blacks are behind the current "white power" sign?"

You have no idea what type of people are behind the keyboards on 4chan. It might surprise you.

#255 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-17 08:56 PM | Reply

"So are you woke to what a swastika means,"

You're proving the point I made in #204.

#256 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-17 09:02 PM | Reply

"You have no idea what type of people are behind the keyboards on 4chan. "

Not individually, but if you don't realize what they are collectively, you're a ------- idiot. No wonder you chose a Klan rank as your moniker.

#257 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-12-17 09:02 PM | Reply

As an enlisted troop, I had African American guys going this back in 1997-1998. And Caucasians. And pretty much everyone else.

#250 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Daamn, do you have two National defense service ribbons?

#258 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-12-17 09:03 PM | Reply

"You have no idea what type of people are behind the keyboards on 4chan. It might surprise you."

But we have a very clear idea what type of people might decide to take the 4chan meme that a circle means white power, and adopt it as their own.

White nationalists.

Coincidentally, these are the exact same people who take the 4chan meme "It's OK To Be White" which is an innocuous enough statement in a vacuum, but one that could be used to troll libs, and use it to troll libs on college campuses:

White nationalists.

Now, some of you might be thinking, "But Snoofy, they're not really white nationalists, they're just pretending to be white nationalists to troll the libs!"

In this mindset, some sort of intellectual money laundering has taken place, where the old adage "if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck" is not woke enough to understand how you can, with no attempt at irony, chant Nazi slogans or re-tweet Mussolini without being a fan and a disciple.

#259 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 09:34 PM | Reply

Now, some of you might be thinking, "But Snoofy, they didn't chant Nazi slogans or re-tweet Mussolini, this isn't Charlottesville or President Donald J. Trump! This is just some kids... young adults who trolled the libs by pretending to be white nationalists while wearing uniforms of the United States Armed Forces at a highly publicized media event featuring President Donald J. Trump. And it worked, because they got The Boy To Cry Wolf, and lo and behold, all the villagers came and it turned out there weren't any wolves, it was just Deplorables!"

So now you're saying when you see a wolf, you should probably just ignore it, it's probably just a Deplorable pretending to be a wolf.

Which serves the wolves perfectly well.

I'm grateful the Internet and this site in particular has allowed me to know such wolves exist, and in such numbers. I probably wouldn't have believed it otherwise.

#260 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-17 09:49 PM | Reply

It's interesting that this hand gesture, given its long history, has become immensely more offensive than the middle finger, at least within certain groups of people.

#261 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-12-18 12:08 AM | Reply

It's interesting to note that JefFJ is bringing up other hand gestures, in order to triangulate this one.

#262 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-12-18 01:47 AM | Reply

"Be sure to turn yourself in, okay!"

So...I think I'd be cleared. The OK sig I made was a fingers up OK sign.

It needs to be fingers down to be prosecutable, right?

This is where not being woke leaves me at a bit of a disadvantage.

#263 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-18 04:48 AM | Reply

"It's interesting that this hand gesture, given its long history, has become immensely more offensive than the middle finger, at least within certain groups of people."

Yeah.

Probably best not to do it around "woke" people.

#264 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-12-18 04:49 AM | Reply

"I'm grateful the Internet and this site in particular has allowed me to know such wolves exist, and in such numbers. I probably wouldn't have believed it otherwise."

This is identical to what you posted on stormfront.

#265 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-12-18 12:56 PM | Reply

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