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President Trump lashed out again at wind farms on Saturday, claiming that the production of wind turbines causes a large carbon footprint.

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"I know windmills very much, I have studied it better than anybody"

Mental illness.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-23 09:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Donnie Quixote, Man of Maralago tilting at windmills.

www.youtube.com

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2019-12-23 02:48 PM | Reply

Windmills are nasty. Did I ever mention what a stable genius I am?

#3 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-12-23 02:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

He's still pissed about Scotland.

#4 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2019-12-23 03:07 PM | Reply

He's hateful of anything that bypasses corporate centralization of utilities.

#5 | Posted by LesWit at 2019-12-23 03:43 PM | Reply

Tilting at windmills. How appropriate for our very own Ingenious Knight of La Dementia.

#6 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-12-23 03:43 PM | Reply

A windmill will kill many bald eagles. After a certain number, they make you turn the windmill off, that is true. By the way, they make you turn it off. And yet, if you killed one, they put you in jail. That is OK. But why is it OK for windmills to destroy the bird population?

Apparently, it's really easy to get the government to retroactively administer a hunting permit for bald eagles and endangered sheep.

#7 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-12-23 03:49 PM | Reply

The story of Donald Trump's feud with his one true nemesis: Windmills

On Tuesday, at a petrochemical complex in natural gas-rich western Pennsylvania, the president was, once again, howling at the wind.

He ranted about "big windmills" that "destroy everybody's property values, kill all the birds." They're unreliable, he claimed, darkening people's homes. "And then, all of a sudden, it stops; the wind and the televisions go off," he added. "And your wives and husbands say, Darling, I want to watch Donald Trump on television tonight. But the wind stopped blowing and I can't watch. There's no electricity in the house, darling.'"

In April, at a Republican fundraising dinner, the president warned, "If you have a windmill anywhere near your house, congratulations, your house just went down 75 percent in value." He asserted that "the noise causes cancer." Also, "It's like a graveyard for birds," he added. "If you love birds, you'd never want to walk under a windmill."


But. It can't be that he's just crazy. So. What's the real story?

What have wind turbines ever done to Trump?

Here, it gets personal. Which, for Trump, means business. In 2006, he purchased 1,800 acres of property to develop as a luxury golf resort in Scotland, the old sod, his mother's birthplace.

Trump fought and unsuccessfully sued to prevent a wind farm from being built off the Aberdeenshire coast, claiming it would destroy the view of "perhaps the greatest golf course anywhere in the world" and, potentially, lower revenue.

The 11-turbine facility was completed last summer, but not before Trump had unleashed a windstorm of tweets between 2012 and 2014, promulgating various theories that made wind energy the scourge of our times.

He cautioned that collapsed turbines were a threat to children: "Any turbine in proximity to a school must go!" They hoard government subsidies: "vast amounts of money to subsidize ugly wind turbines." They "have a warming effect on the climate."

www.washingtonpost.com


So in the end. As with everything Trump. It's all about Trump

#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-12-23 03:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Those windmills are GORGEOUS!!!!!!!! We get a lot of their 150 FOOT long blades come through town a lot since parts of the windmill is made here. They are wonderful machines.

#9 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-12-23 04:15 PM | Reply

We get a lot of their 150 FOOT long blades come through town...

You don't really appreciate how big those things are until you see one of the blades on the highway.

#10 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-12-23 04:41 PM | Reply

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My parents came from Aberdeenshire. The relatives are in disbelief that the US elected such a grifting -----.

I know more Americans than they do, so Trampy winning isn't so puzzling.

#11 | Posted by bored at 2019-12-23 04:44 PM | Reply

He's hateful of anything that bypasses corporate centralization of utilities.

#5 | Posted by LesWit

less wit, the b8g w8nd farms do belong to corporations. ehe little ones sell the power they produce. How do you think it gets distributed.

#12 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-12-23 05:18 PM | Reply

big wind....the

#13 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-12-23 05:19 PM | Reply

Trump is an illiterate, horrible human being

#14 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-12-23 06:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I work with wind farms, there is a lot of truth of what he is saying. the list is very long regarding carbon footprint and waste with wind

#15 | Posted by Maverick at 2019-12-23 06:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

I'd like to see an impartial analyses of what windmills cost to build, the cost of a backup system and the cost of maintenance translated into cost per kilowatt. I doubt they are cost effective.

#16 | Posted by Ray at 2019-12-23 06:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

there is a lot of truth of what he is saying.

#15 | Posted by Maverick at 2019-12-23 06:

I'm glad someone out there can understand what he's saying.

#17 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-23 06:40 PM | Reply

Trains and windmills affect the Right like garlic and crucifixes.

#18 | Posted by Zed at 2019-12-23 06:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"I never understood wind," Trump said, according to Mediaite. "I know windmills very much, I have studied it better than anybody. I know it is very expensive. They are made in China and Germany mostly, very few made here, almost none, but they are manufactured, tremendous - if you are into this - tremendous fumes and gases are spewing into the atmosphere. You know we have a world, right?"

Incoherent word salad from a corrupt moron whose only real interest in yet another subject he doesn't understand is, guess what, himself.

#19 | Posted by cbob at 2019-12-23 06:54 PM | Reply

The Washington Post does a good job breaking down the arguments that Trump is so poorly attempting to articulate: www.washingtonpost.com

FTA:
"In other words: Manufacturing wind turbines creates "fumes," which go into the atmosphere. We have only one atmosphere, shared by Germany, China and ourselves. So when they make wind turbines, it's putting those same "fumes" into the air that we breathe.

"This, of course, is exactly the problem with carbon dioxide emissions. When the United States or China or India emit greenhouse gases, they sit in the same atmosphere, spurring warming. That's why international agreements " like the Paris climate accord from which he started to withdraw the United States in 2017 " are aimed at lowering emissions across the planet. What Trump's claiming is that the bigger problem is these manufacturing "fumes," contrasting it unfavorably with the "carbon footprint."

"There are certainly often issues with any large-scale industrial production, and wind energy is no different. But it's awfully cynical to argue that purported air pollution from manufacturing wind turbines is more problematic than the warming that results from unchecked burning of fossil fuels. Even assuming there are dangerous fumes emitted from making wind turbines, the scale wouldn't compare to the international emissions of carbon dioxide and methane."

#20 | Posted by cbob at 2019-12-23 07:04 PM | Reply

Seriously, though, he really does sound like he has dementia.

#21 | Posted by cbob at 2019-12-23 07:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Bald eagles hate him and one tried to pluck his eye out.

His obesity carbon footprint must be more than thirteen times twice normal. His "rally" and golf travels are the epitome of wastefulness. The world can't afford him.

#22 | Posted by grumpy_too at 2019-12-23 07:30 PM | Reply

no one understands what you are saying

#23 | Posted by Maverick at 2019-12-23 07:32 PM | Reply

"I work with wind farms, there is a lot of truth of what he is saying."

LOL!!!

No, there isn't and you're an idiot.

#24 | Posted by Angrydad at 2019-12-23 07:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

I work with wind farms, there is a lot of truth of what he is saying. the list is very long regarding carbon footprint and waste with wind

Tell us about the sound cancer. There are trade-offs with wind, just like any energy source. That doesn't change that Trump talk is gibberish.

#25 | Posted by horstngraben at 2019-12-23 09:01 PM | Reply

I work with wind farms, there is a lot of truth of what he is saying. the list is very long regarding carbon footprint and waste with wind

POSTED BY MAVERICK AT 2019-12-23 06:30 PM | REPLY |

So you work at a restaurant that serves up beans for dinner ehhhhhhh???

#26 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-12-23 09:17 PM | Reply

You don't really appreciate how big those things are until you see one of the blades on the highway.

#10 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2019-12-23 04:41 PM | FLAG:

More impressive is how small the twin turbine helicopters are in comparison as they de-ice the blades.

Which is kind of weird, using something as power consuming as a helicopter to keep green energy from destroying itself from an asymetrical icing condition.

#27 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-12-24 07:25 AM | Reply

I'd like to see an impartial analyses of what windmills cost to build, the cost of a backup system and the cost of maintenance translated into cost per kilowatt. I doubt they are cost effective.

#16 | Posted by Ray

It takes a fossil fuel plant to back it up when there is no wind.

#28 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-12-24 11:55 AM | Reply

His obesity carbon footprint must be more than thirteen times twice normal. His "rally" and golf travels are the epitome of wastefulness. The world can't afford him.

#22 | Posted by grumpy_too

Real dumb gru, dumb.

#29 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-12-24 11:58 AM | Reply

WHAT'S THE TRUE COST OF WIND POWER? www.newsweek.com

The costs for a utility scale wind turbine range from about $1.3 million to $2.2 million per MW of nameplate capacity installed. Most of the commercial-scale turbines installed today are 2 MW in size and cost roughly $3-$4 million installed.
www.windustry.org how_much_do_wind_turbines_cost
How much do wind turbines cost? - Windustry

Downtime for routine servicing and inspections produces no electricity and winds are not always reliable consistent. Turbine assemblies have a useful lifespan of about twenty years as mechanical and electrical components wear out over time and ordinary use, even under the best operating conditions.
www.quora.com How-long-does-it-take-for-a-wind-turbine-to-pay-for...
How long does it take for a wind turbine to pay for itself?

The Cost of Decommissioning Wind Turbines is Huge www.instituteforenergyresearch.org

Now also, let us not forget the killing of bats and birds and the cost of cleanup and dispoal.

Want clean energy - Go NUCLEAR!

#30 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-12-24 12:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

So in the end. As with everything Trump. It's all about Trump

#8 | Posted by ClownShack

Worse, it's all about Trump that's washed, shaken and stirred through that crazy factory of a brain he has.

This guy is such an idiot yet righties look up to him. Doesn't say flattering things about righties.

#31 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-24 12:52 PM | Reply

i>Seriously, though, he really does sound like he has dementia.

#21 | Posted by cbob

So do the people that support him.

#32 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-24 12:56 PM | Reply

Want clean energy - Go NUCLEAR!

#30 | Posted by MSgt

All energy production is about when and where the waste becomes a problem.

Wind and solar seem to have it all front loaded with production with less on the back side. (not speaking from any position of authority, just my impression and more than willing to admit it's wrong)

Whereas nuclear is on the backside. And is far far worse.

Which I guess is why nuclear sounds so appealing to many. It's other people's problem and, therefore, isn't a problem for them to worry about.

#33 | Posted by jpw at 2019-12-24 01:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Want clean energy - Go NUCLEAR!

#30 | POSTED BY MSGT

Decommissioning nuclear power plants cost hundreds of millions more than decommissioning wind turbines.

What are countries planning to do with their "clean" nuclear waste? They have no idea what to do. Japan is thinking about dumping its radiated water straight into the ocean.

#34 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2019-12-24 01:20 PM | Reply

It takes a fossil fuel plant to back it up when there is no wind.

#28 | POSTED BY SNIPER

Yap.

Hopefully some bright young mind comes along and invents batteries around 220 years ago.

#35 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-12-24 01:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

--Hopefully some bright young mind comes along and invents batteries around 220 years ago.

"* The annual output of Tesla's Gigafactory, the world's largest battery factory, could store three minutes' worth of annual U.S. electricity demand. It would require 1,000 years of production to make enough batteries for two days' worth of U.S. electricity demand. Meanwhile, 50"100 pounds of materials are mined, moved, and processed for every pound of battery produced."

www.powerlineblog.com

www.manhattan-institute.org

#36 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-12-24 02:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Oh, right.

Because we were planning on flipping a switch and starting tomorrow.

#37 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-12-24 02:41 PM | Reply

It's also unfortunate that solar can't be used in conjunction with wind on the same grid.

It would be really helpful if it could.

#38 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-12-24 02:42 PM | Reply

I know more Americans than they do, so Trampy winning isn't so puzzling.

#11 | POSTED BY BORED

My grandmother was from England, moved over when my father was 12. She passed a couple of years ago, but she was alive when Trump was elected. She was talking to me once, and told me that when they were considering moving here she was talking to some of her friends (in England) and they told her "You know Americans are a violent people". She replied, "I know".

I cannot say that what they said is inaccurate.

#39 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-12-24 05:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hydro is the best battery to complement wind and solar. I have toured a few dams in the PNW. They keep the turbines spinning with compressed air when they don't need to produce power and with the flick of a switch they can open the intake and go to full power in less than a second. Of course it doesn't have to be just on or off.

Dams do flood the upstream valley, but they can also moderate downstream water flow. Also they found that letting the water surge a bit at night is good for river health.

The last report I read was that both wind and solar large scale facilities are now cheaper to build and operate per watt than fossil fuel plants without subsidies.

#40 | Posted by bored at 2019-12-24 05:20 PM | Reply

Bill Gates is going to save us from CC. He can now operate thermal solar plants that can make cement and liquid fuels from CO2.
www.geekwire.com

There are solar thermal salt plants that can produce power at night from the stored heat.

We have the tech. We need to make it cheaper than fossil fuel slow death. I expect we will be there in 10 years. Then we need to retrofit the economy. It is a bright future for people that aren't beholden to death power.

#41 | Posted by bored at 2019-12-24 05:27 PM | Reply

Bill is also working on mini nuc plants that are much safer and cheaper to build. The future looks bright.

All we really need is for his satellite smart nail weapon to be operational that targets red hats.

#42 | Posted by bored at 2019-12-24 05:29 PM | Reply

What are countries planning to do with their "clean" nuclear waste?
#34 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar

Nobody has figured out what to do with spent fuel. Even after millions of years have gone by and most radioactivity is gone it's still the most dangerous, poisonous, stuff we've ever created. It's worth keeping in mind that the only nuclear explosion at Fukushima was in a spent fuel pool. Most of those spectacular explosions you saw at that "clean" energy plant were old fashioned chemical explosions.

#43 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2019-12-24 06:08 PM | Reply

"BuT WHut If They're WUZ a WINd sP1LLzzzzz?;?!!!!?"

-- the boomers, or to be politically correct, caps lock Americans

#44 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-12-24 07:15 PM | Reply

BORED,

Hydro plants are a very good source of power. Here in MO we have Taum Sauk Plant. a Reservoir on top of a mountain that funnels water down to the turbines and with the power it generates it pumps the water back up the mountain to the reservoir and back again

I don't know why we don't do this more often

look it up Taum Sauk Hydroelectric Power Station

#45 | Posted by Maverick at 2019-12-24 07:31 PM | Reply

As a Conservative I believe we can have a good balance with Wind, Solar, Hydro, Nuclear, Natural Gas and Coal. Hopefully as technology advances we can all benefit from more and more clean energy, but as of right now we are still dependent on fossil fuels.

#46 | Posted by Maverick at 2019-12-24 07:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#45 well I didn't look it up it can't be a perpetual motion machine. Here in AZ we use the hydro at peak power load and pump the water back up using other electric power sources in the middle of the night. Keeps things kinda balanced.

#47 | Posted by bruceaz at 2019-12-24 08:09 PM | Reply

Listen, everyone.

You'd best watch your tone when pointing out that the boomers are responsible for ending the world.

They're sensitive.

#48 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-12-25 10:44 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Hydro is the best battery to complement wind and solar. I have toured a few dams in the PNW. They keep the turbines spinning with compressed air when they don't need to produce power and with the flick of a switch they can open the intake and go to full power in less than a second. Of course it doesn't have to be just on or off.

Dams do flood the upstream valley, but they can also moderate downstream water flow. Also they found that letting the water surge a bit at night is good for river health.

#41 | Posted by bored

less than a second-----that shows how little you know. When was the last hydro plant built? 1970?

#49 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-12-25 11:37 AM | Reply

When was the last hydro plant built? 1970?

#49 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT

It's almost like the people who make Bank from destroying the planet and the politicians who they bought are shelving solutions.

And your dumba5s is happy about it.

#50 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-12-25 11:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Not just happy, you're downright jovial.

Like the ------ in every 4th grade class.

"Look, I got an 'F.' F is for fantastic!"

#51 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-12-25 11:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yeah the guy is all about forward thinking tech when his name is on the policies which return to the moon, but here on earth- coal it is.

#52 | Posted by arthurmann at 2019-12-25 03:33 PM | Reply

Yeah the guy is all about forward thinking tech when his name is on the policies which return to the moon, but here on earth- coal it is.

#53 | Posted by arthurmann at 2019-12-25 03:35 PM | Reply

where's the story on obama's hatred of christmas trees...

Christmas trees are one of the most distinguishable and beloved part of the holidays. In fact, the Obama Administration loved Christmas trees so much that they set up a Christmas tree tax of 15 cents per freshly cut tree. The tax money went to a promotional campaign that was intended to boost the Christmas tree industry.

#54 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-12-25 04:25 PM | Reply

Christmas trees are one of the most distinguishable and beloved part of the holidays.

But for christmas trees...it is the holocaust.

#55 | Posted by horstngraben at 2019-12-25 04:33 PM | Reply

n 2000, David Viner, a senior research scientist at University of East Anglia's climate research unit, predicted that in a few years winter snowfall would become "a very rare and exciting event. Children just aren't going to know what snow is."

In 2004, the U.S. Pentagon warned President George W. Bush that major European cities would be beneath rising seas. Britain will be plunged into a Siberian climate by 2020. In 2008, Al Gore predicted that the polar ice cap would be gone in a mere 10 years. A U.S. Department of Energy study led by the U.S. Navy predicted the Arctic Ocean would experience an ice-free summer by 2016.

no to worry... windmills will save us... fudd party

#56 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-12-25 04:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

n 2000, David Viner, a senior research scientist at University of East Anglia's climate research unit, predicted that in a few years winter snowfall would become "a very rare and exciting event. Children just aren't going to know what snow is."

That article, "Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past," has been, not surprisingly, scrubbed from the Independant's website, but fortunately screen shots were made of it.

web.archive.org

#57 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-12-25 05:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But for christmas trees...it is the holocaust.

POSTED BY HORSTNGRABEN AT 2019-12-25 04:33 PM | REPLY

Not if you hang a Christmas Tree air freshener in your computer room and then hang it off of your rear view mirror in your vehicle after Christmas.

#58 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-12-25 05:30 PM | Reply

n 2000, David Viner, a senior research scientist at University of East Anglia's climate research unit, predicted that in a few years winter snowfall would become "a very rare and exciting event.

#57 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

It's Mid 50 in Northern Ohio.

I'm outside with no shoes on.

#59 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-12-25 05:42 PM | Reply

#58 | Posted by LauraMohr

Carry on you nutless ----. I mean; you go girl!.

Marry Christmas Laura.

#60 | Posted by horstngraben at 2019-12-25 05:49 PM | Reply

#59 | POSTED BY MRSILENCEDOGOOD

Because your one piece of data makes it all true.

Head to Mad River Mtn!

#61 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-12-25 06:22 PM | Reply

#59 | POSTED BY MRSILENCEDOGOOD

There's another example of how it's as pointless to argue with a climate extremist as debating a religious fanatic about the existence of God. Waste of time.

#62 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-12-25 06:31 PM | Reply

Right.

Because one tells you they wholeheartedly believe in talking snakes and the other says things like "well,,, maybe 99.99999999% of the scientists on the planet are right..."

It's real close to the same thing.

------.

#63 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-12-25 06:57 PM | Reply

--------.

#63 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood

This is a guy who keeps purchasing stock from a broker that has given him 50 years of losing picks.

#64 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-12-25 07:10 PM | Reply

I'm pretty sure we have a case of mistaken identity, ------.

#65 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-12-25 07:16 PM | Reply

I believe Rudy Giuliani and little donnie dollhands, but every scientist on the planet is either a liar or is full of shht.

#64 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT

#66 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-12-25 07:28 PM | Reply

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