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Friday, January 03, 2020

Lee Drutman: John Adams worried that "a division of the republic into two great parties ... is to be dreaded as the great political evil." And that's exactly what has come to pass.

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Yeah, it's suddenly become a problem only now.

#1 | Posted by Nixon at 2020-01-03 10:56 AM | Reply

You are correct, Nixon. It only becomes a problem when the narrator's views are not being pushed.

#2 | Posted by boaz at 2020-01-03 11:26 AM | Reply

Congrats Boaz. You helped build this.

#3 | Posted by lauramohr at 2020-01-03 12:53 PM | Reply

Yes the Tea Party as manipulated by the Koch brothers was the big division. But that is because the loons that became Tea Party members dominate the primaries and then the other sheep then just vote for the loons they put in place. The GOP has to placate the loons to stay in office.

#4 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2020-01-03 03:24 PM | Reply

This is why the Democratic-Socialist Party needs to splinter off from the Democrats. When Bernie gets screwed by the Dems, he must run third party!

#5 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2020-01-03 03:55 PM | Reply

It doesn't take a genius to figure out a bunch of people voted for the person they hope is the next President.

And Obama still tied Trump lol

#6 | Posted by Tor at 2020-01-03 04:02 PM | Reply

Thanks Boazo, you and your kind (lily white racist rednecks) built that.

#7 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2020-01-03 04:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Thanks Boazo, you and your kind (lily white racist rednecks) built that.

#7 | Posted by aborted_monson

He isn't white.

#8 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-01-03 04:40 PM | Reply

John Adams worried that "a division of the republic into two great parties ... is to be dreaded as the great political evil."

Well it's been that was for about 200 years, so... I guess that means America is the Evil Empire.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-03 04:42 PM | Reply

"He isn't white."

Mighty white of you to stick up for Boaz!

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-03 04:43 PM | Reply

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Methinks the author should study the death of the Weimar Republic.

#11 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-01-03 04:50 PM | Reply

"He isn't white."

Aborted_monson is 99.99% correct.

#12 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-01-03 05:22 PM | Reply

The more I hear from the right .. the more I wish we could find a peaceful division. I could barely stand Bush people and now Trumpers are down right nauseating.

#13 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2020-01-03 06:11 PM | Reply

Honestly, if the US population is really divided...it's because we've been told to be by our leaders. You decide who your leaders are, or you should. I don't see this alleged division talking to my friends, family, coworkers, neighbors. We all have different attitudes toward different things, no one I know is straight democrat or republican. But then there are almost 330 million (approx) people in the US I don't know. I refuse to believe things are as bad as some people are pretending they are - a vast majority of people just want to go to work, raise their families, and get along. But I'm a Russian plant according to Zed, so don't pay any attention to me.

#14 | Posted by wranglepolitics at 2020-01-03 06:52 PM | Reply

I was hoping that I would live to see the new secession of the southern states that will make up the country of -----------.

Send the brownshirts on their way, and try to put America back together.

#15 | Posted by contrecoup at 2020-01-03 07:23 PM | Reply

Aborted_monson is 99.99% correct.

#12 | Posted by BruceBanner

Shut up Bruce and Monson,

I'm about the only authentic person on this site, Plus Taowarrior (who I've spoken to in person), Goatman and Danni.

#16 | Posted by boaz at 2020-01-03 09:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Clinging to guns, bible and 2nd amendment...

-The Founding Fathers

#17 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2020-01-03 09:36 PM | Reply

I give up. Here's a bucket of poo each. You can fill them back up after you're done throwing the contents a each other.

#18 | Posted by wranglepolitics at 2020-01-03 09:48 PM | Reply

- I'm about the only authentic person on this site,

Fake news!!

#19 | Posted by Corky at 2020-01-03 10:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Mighty white of you to stick up for Boaz!

#10 | Posted by snoofy

I wasn't. He's a black redneck from the 'I got mine, f*** you' school of thought.

#20 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-01-04 07:42 AM | Reply

How do you define authentic? What a riot. I mean honestly I'm impressed you included a leftist and a left-centrist in your list of "authentic" people, but what a bizarre metric.

#21 | Posted by dylanfan at 2020-01-04 10:26 AM | Reply

We Are Now, Officially Divided

Commas will do that.

#22 | Posted by YAV at 2020-01-04 10:40 AM | Reply

"When Bernie gets screwed by the Dems, he must run third party!"

Bernie is not a Democrat.

how could they screw him any more than the republicans?

#23 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-01-04 10:49 AM | Reply

He isn't white.

#8 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

How do you know? Just because he says he's not?

This is pretty much an anonymous site. For all we know, Boaz could be Frank Cotton.

#24 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-01-04 11:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yeah, but as John C. Calhoun said" "It's a slave document".

#25 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-01-04 11:25 AM | Reply

I'm about the only authentic person idiot on this site, Plus Taowarrior (who I've spoken to in person), Goatman and Danni.
#16 | POSTED BY BOAZ

FTFY

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-01-04 11:26 AM | Reply

Our nation was founded upon political differences. It is called political PLURALITY. BUT our politicians and our Republic has more often than not been able to agree upon the basic fundamentals upon which our nation is built; ie, capitalism - NOT socialism or communism, due process - innocent until PROVEN guilty, law and order - NOT choosing to obey certain laws and choosing to disobey other laws, like our immigration law, and legislating / creating laws using compromise to have a majority of bi-partisan agreement.

BUT today President Trump is so hated by the national liberal press corps that the Dems can allege any politically unfounded charge / LIE against him they can dream up with it being challenged ANY news person or media organization, except those in FOX News.

The liberal news networks are truly ONLY the propaganda mouthpiece for the Dems, not journalists seeking the truth. That is their calling!!!

The 2016 election was an earmark for where the nation's political beliefs are. Hillary (66 million votes) and Jill Stein (2 million votes) and Gary Johnson (6 million votes) won about 73 million votes. Trump (63 million votes) and Stein and Johnson won 71 million votes. Hillary got the MOST votes and beat Trump by nearly 3 million votes. BUT, in CA 4 million voters voted for Hillary than Trump. IF CA is removed from the equation, Trump still wins the popular vote in 30 states in the Electoral College AND the popular vote by 1 million votes - 59 million to 58 million for Hillary.

The Dems and the national press has always implied that over half the voters voted for Hillary. That's not true. Nationally 60% of nation's states voters voted against Hillary. AND across the nation, Trump 63 million, Stein 2 million, and Johnson 6 million for a total of 71 million far exceed the 66 million votes Hillary got nationwide. Hillary was nowhere close to winning over half of the popular vote. SHE is not nor was NOT supported by over half the nation as has been lied about.

The point is that if only our news media was more moderate, honest and truthful about our politics than they are today, our nation might be far more civil and less polarized than the media keeps us.

#27 | Posted by SJHamilton at 2020-01-04 11:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We Are Now, Officially Divided

Commas will do that.

#22 | POSTED BY YAV

Dictators of totalitarian autocratic regimes also do that...

The Deplorables just need some living space (Lebensraum) from the subhumans (Untermenschen).

Welcome to Trumplandia. The land of a less perfect union. Or rather No Union.

And.

The divisions will continue until morale improves.

Or we divide our house completely and we collapse from the inside

Just like our Comrades here want and are working so hard for!

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-01-04 11:37 AM | Reply

The New Left has declared war on American history and civilization. Of course we're divided. They won't accept anything less than unconditional surrender. Might as well get used to a soft civil war.

#29 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-01-04 11:46 AM | Reply

No, the right has declared war on progressivism. Progressivism guided US policy from FDR all the way through to Reagan. Should progressives not fight back? You seem to feel that because the left has "declared war" the right is entitled to fight back, but not progressives. Hmm... a one-sided war is not a war, it's a massacre.

#30 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-01-04 12:01 PM | Reply

In 2020, we need to fight the new thoughtpolice

Speech, thought and culture are being policed on a terrifying scale.

There is an insidious crusade afoot aiming at controlling what the public sees, hears, thinks and believes. This project, which seeks hegemony in various Western cultures, is no less pervasive and thoroughgoing than previous attempts at thought control by totalitarian and theocratic regimes.

A new identity-obsessed, anti-humanist and anti-civilisational narrative has taken hold. We are increasingly encouraged to change our language, adopt hitherto unknown words, and accept deeply questionable claims.

The ideal of tolerance emerged in the 17th century through a struggle to protect people's beliefs against state repression. Centuries later we are entering a new dark age of intolerance.

In the 2020s, liberating society from the spell of the intolerant anti-humanist narrative is the key challenge facing those committed to freedom and democracy. What is at stake is not just language and words, but the preservation of the most precious ideals of human civilisation.

www.spiked-online.com

#31 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-01-04 12:06 PM | Reply

The argument about discounting California's votes has got to be one of the DUMBEST argument ever pushed by the right. How about this: if we discount California's vote total entirely, why shouldn't we also discount an equivalent number of votes FOR Trump? What would that do to the EC and popular vote totals? Regardless, Californians are just as much a part of the Republic as Texans, Alabamans, Michiganders, etc. you want to not count their vote strictly because there are more of them and they voted differently than you. That's about the most undemocratic a person can make.

#32 | Posted by dylanfan at 2020-01-04 12:06 PM | Reply

"The ideal of tolerance emerged in the 17th century..."

Slaves on line #1 for you.

#33 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-01-04 12:11 PM | Reply

Nulli is right. I mean you don't walk out of '60' without a degree in political science. And a ty-dyed t-shairt. And a basket full of magic mushrooms. And...

#34 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-01-04 12:20 PM | Reply

"No, the right has declared war on progressivism."

Unfortunately, progressivism is becoming increasingly linked with authoritarianism...meaning that everyone in between is going to have to choose between someone like Trump or someone like Sanders. In some ways, they're very different. In many ways, they're the same.

#35 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-01-04 01:12 PM | Reply

#26 "FTFY". The lamest of all responses

#36 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-04 01:33 PM | Reply

#26 "FTFY". The lamest of all responses

#36 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Bam.

Dead center.

Bullseye.

Obviously.

#37 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-01-04 01:47 PM | Reply

#37 simple things for simple minds.

Congratulations on your huge self-declared victory. I am sure it's one of the biggest success stories of your life.

Careful with the high five on the mirror. You don't want to break it and cut your hand

#38 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-04 02:07 PM | Reply

#37 if you happen to be at O'Hare airport come to the Cubs bar in terminal H. I'll buy you a beer and help you celebrate

#39 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-04 02:10 PM | Reply

The axis of evil is giddy with excitement.

Once the war with Iran starts, China will crush HK resistance. Russia will retake lost states. Saudi will get Americans to fight the Shia for them.

Satan is going to have a great 2020.

I bought some war stocks and am ready to watch the world burn from my cabin with satellite and off grid power.

#40 | Posted by bored at 2020-01-04 02:23 PM | Reply

How do you know? Just because he says he's not?

This is pretty much an anonymous site. For all we know, Boaz could be Frank Cotton.

#24 | Posted by Whatsleft

He's said so several times.

#41 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-01-04 05:27 PM | Reply

Unfortunately, progressivism is becoming increasingly linked with authoritarianism
#35 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

What, exactly, do progressives make you do? Besides pay taxes, that is. And what do they want to prevent you from doing (other than waving guns around in public)?

"Conservatives", OTOH, want to control what substances you can ingest or smoke, what women can do with their bodies, what gender/sexual orientation one can be, who can or cannot get married, who can adopt children, what "version" of science should be taught (e.g., "Intelligent Design"), re-introduce religious dogma in the public schools, use taxpayer money to pay for (often racially segregated) religious schools while taking that money away from the (secular) public schools. That sounds a lot more authoritarian than anything the "left" wants to do.

#42 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-01-04 05:50 PM | Reply

"A new identity-obsessed, anti-humanist and anti-civilisational narrative has taken hold."

The Second Amendment was ratified along with the rest of the Constitution in 1788, Nullifidian.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-04 05:54 PM | Reply

"Unfortunately, progressivism is becoming increasingly linked with authoritarianism."

Huh?
Haven't the two always gone in lockstep, according to your mythology?

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-04 05:55 PM | Reply

"The ideal of tolerance emerged in the 17th century through a struggle to protect people's beliefs against state repression. Centuries later we are entering a new dark age of intolerance."

is this the one where, if my religious beliefs disagree with the law, I don't have to tolerate that law, like Hobby Lobby doesn't have to provide birth control on their health plan?

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-04 05:56 PM | Reply

You're all hilarious. It's like none of you actually interact with anyone in the real world, all your information seems to come from liberal/conservative websites and news channels. Carry on, I've been enjoying the show for years.

#46 | Posted by wranglepolitics at 2020-01-04 06:54 PM | Reply

Most people straddle the middle and have some liberal and some conservative opinions. I wouldn't want to secede ever. We are a diverse nations that would come together quickly if we were ever attacked again.

#47 | Posted by byrdman at 2020-01-04 07:06 PM | Reply

In China, this forum would get you the death penalty.

#48 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-01-04 09:02 PM | Reply

There's been a website promoting Texas secession for years. Supposedly, most of their petition signers are non-Texans, but I haven't been able to confirm that to my satisfaction.

#49 | Posted by nimbleswitch at 2020-01-05 03:48 AM | Reply

"What, exactly, do progressives make you do? Besides pay taxes, that is."

Conservatives don't make you pay taxes?

It's not so much that I have a problem with taxes, but moreso with who is taxes, the tax rates, and what that money is being spent on.

#50 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-01-05 07:38 AM | Reply

"Haven't the two always gone in lockstep, according to your mythology?"

Mostly.

But, I have to believe that there is probably a socialist out there who would reject it being forced on a society that didn't really want it.

#51 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-01-05 07:39 AM | Reply

"Most people straddle the middle and have some liberal and some conservative opinions. I wouldn't want to secede ever. We are a diverse nations that would come together quickly if we were ever attacked again."

The problem is that both sides of the political spectrum want to use the power of government to create suitable, one-size-fits-all solutions to problems in a country where there won't always be that easy answer available. The states or local communities are much better positioned to enact legislation on behalf of it's citizens.

#52 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-01-05 07:42 AM | Reply

#52 Don't know if that will work - if we don't hang together, we will all hang separately. Some degree of unification is important unless you are a Mormon. But yeah, pretty sharp for a German cop.

P.S. Love your name.

#53 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-01-05 09:52 AM | Reply

"What, exactly, do progressives make you do? Besides pay taxes, that is."
Conservatives don't make you pay taxes?
It's not so much that I have a problem with taxes, but moreso with who is taxes, the tax rates, and what that money is being spent on.
#50 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

OK, then describe this "authoritarianism" you're talking about. How, exactly, does it manifest itself?

#54 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-01-05 10:37 AM | Reply

What, exactly, do progressives make you do? Besides pay taxes, that is. And what do they want to prevent you from doing (other than waving guns around in public)?

1. Accept homosexuality
2. Accept that a man, who cuts off his penis, is magically a woman ,or a woman, who straps on a ----- is magically a man
3. Accept that blacks are inferior to whites and need whites to elevate them in today's society
4. Accept the destruction of the nuclear family unit as "progression"
5. Accept capitulation from our enemies to keep a peace that isnt advantageous to our nation.

I could keep going, do you need more?

#55 | Posted by boaz at 2020-01-06 09:29 AM | Reply

1. Accept homosexuality
2. Accept that a man, who cuts off his penis, is magically a woman ,or a woman, who straps on a ----- is magically a man
3. Accept that blacks are inferior to whites and need whites to elevate them in today's society
4. Accept the destruction of the nuclear family unit as "progression"
5. Accept capitulation from our enemies to keep a peace that isnt advantageous to our nation.
I could keep going, do you need more?

POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2020-01-06 09:29 AM | REPLY

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#56 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-06 09:41 AM | Reply

#55 | POSTED BY BOAZ

So you're not interested in accepting that other people have views that are different from yours? Should it be illegal to have views different from yours?

None of those views are actually being forced upon you. You are still free to maintain your own ignorance.

#57 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-01-06 12:17 PM | Reply

you're not interested in accepting that other people have views that are different from yours? Should it be illegal to have views different from yours?

Boaz, and most conservatives, in a nutshell.

#58 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-06 12:22 PM | Reply

1. Accept homosexuality

Homosexuals are a part of life. They are people born with an attraction to people of the same gender. They are consenting adults. They aren't asking you to accept them into your house. They're asking you to tolerate their existence and to treat them as you would any other human being.

But as usual. Way to be a bigoted POS.

2. Accept that a man, who cuts off his penis, is magically a woman ,or a woman, who straps on a ----- is magically a man

For a man as obsessed with transgenders as you are, you clearly haven zero comprehension of who transgender people are.

3. Accept that blacks are inferior to whites and need whites to elevate them in today's society

You're the one who hates black people. You believe them to be stupid moochers who are lazy and looking for handouts. You and your ilk believe black Americans are stupid criminals. What you don't understand is people know who treats them like shht. Black Americans have been treated as worthless by you conservatives forever.

4. Accept the destruction of the nuclear family unit as "progression"

Absolute nonsense. Please provide examples of what liberals did to destroy the nuclear family. Then tell us how Trump banging a prostitute while his third wife was pregnant with his son preserves the image of a nuclear family you're so desperate for.


5. Accept capitulation from our enemies to keep a peace that isnt advantageous to our nation.

Like Trump blowing Putin or Kim or Erdogan or the Saudis..?


I could keep going, do you need more?
#55 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Nope, that's quite the list of bigotry and stupidity you've provided for us.

Wear your hate proudly, Boaz.

#59 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-06 12:38 PM | Reply

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