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Tuesday, January 07, 2020

Chris Cillizza: Gallup has been tracking the ideological composition of the Democratic Party for decades. And in 2019, for the first time, those identifying as liberals comprised a majority of all Democrats (51%), while 34% describe themselves as moderates and 13% say they are conservatives. That's a massive change from Gallup data in 1994, when the breakdown looked like this: 48% moderate, 25% liberal, 25% conservative.

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I suspect much of this is regional. It is my perception that the typical Democrat in places like Florida and throughout the South are far more 'moderate' than the typical Democrat in places like Vermont or California. Insofar as that goes, AOC is correct. Joe Biden and AOC would not be in the same Party if we had a saner political system.

#1 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-01-07 12:44 PM | Reply

--Who Does The Current Democratic Party Really Consist Of?

Trotskyites, Maoists, anarchists, Leninists, Stalinists, and Pol Potheads.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-01-07 01:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 4 | Newsworthy 3

Yep! That Joe Biden sure is a Stalinist! And Amy Klobuchar and Elizabeth Warren? They have Pol Pot written all over them.

Damn Nulli, you are genuinely stupid.

#3 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-01-07 01:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Nullifidiot worships a KGB agent's hand puppet and thinks Pete Buttigieg is an anarchist. Is it any wonder Trump loves the poorly educated?

#4 | Posted by anton at 2020-01-07 06:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Trotskyites, Maoists, anarchists, Leninists, Stalinists, and Pol Potheads.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian

Translation - I'm a moron who buys the propaganda of the elites I claim to oppose.

#5 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-01-07 07:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Dulli's Red Scare! 2020 Trump Campaign is in full swing I see. Must be coordinated with the Trump War President and Impeachment Obfuscation Campaign.

You all know this one, the one where Dulli lies about Dems being Stalinists rather than admitting the truth; that even Bernie is just a N European-style social democrat, not really Lenin-Mao territory at all.

But, now that he's a rwing liar like his Dear Leader, that's just par for his course.

#6 | Posted by Corky at 2020-01-07 08:04 PM | Reply

Trotskyites, Maoists, anarchists, Leninists, Stalinists, and Pol Potheads.

#2 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

And yet there are more of them than there are Republicans. Majority rule would say they get to call the shots. What's the justification for the minority (Republicans/Conservatives) being in charge? How is a tyranny of the minority better than a tyranny of the majority? And how is that different from all the countries run by right-wing dictators?

#7 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-01-07 08:10 PM | Reply

#6 | Posted by Corky

Here's an idiot who uses phrases like RocMussolini, and then pretends to be outraged by my use of obvious hyperbole. What a fraud.

#8 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-01-07 08:21 PM | Reply

"my use of obvious hyperbole."

Obvious...
Did you mean incessant?

When you're always calling Democrats Trotskyites, Maoists, anarchists, Leninists, Stalinists, and Pol Potheads, it's hard to imagine you think they're not Trotskyites, Maoists, anarchists, Leninists, Stalinists, and Pol Potheads.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-07 08:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Maybe he meant incomprehensible... or anti-lucid. Or both.

At any rate, an out and out lie isn't hyperbole, it's a lie.

#10 | Posted by Corky at 2020-01-07 08:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

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... Who Does the Current Democratic Party Really Consist Of ...

It is really a good question, and one I've pondered these past few weeks as I try to understand the politics of the 2020 campaign.

If you were to ask me what the Republican Party consisted of nowadays, I could say "white supremists" and be accurate, imo, better than half the time.

So my current opinion and answer to the question "Who Does the Current Democratic Party Really Consist Of" would be along the lines of, ~a lot of different people who have different opinions.~

While I do consider the lock-step loyalty that seems to be necessary in the current Republican Party to be a disadvantage...

I do not consider the seeming olio of opinions and goals that encompass the Democratic Party to be a negative.

Yeah, it makes it difficult to garner majority, but it does provide the opportunity for an individual's opinion to be heard, something the my old Republican Party is lacking of late.

Unfortunately, it is that welcoming of a diversity of opinion that the Democratic Party is forming the basis of the attacks upon the Democratic Party. That is yet another indicator of the strength, i.e., why attack weaknesses?

At this point in the campaign, the choice seems to be clar, if you want to have no opinion except the opinion of Pres Trump, then you're a Republican.

But if you want to stand for the opinion of the individual, then you're a Democrat.

Pres Trump has made it very clear that he does not tolerate dissension among his supporters.

#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-01-07 10:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Well said.

#12 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-01-07 10:16 PM | Reply

Losers?

#13 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-01-07 11:40 PM | Reply

Here is the real breakdown:

80% of African Americans
60% of Hispanics
99% of the LGBTQ+
90% of people with an income under $25,000 and on some form of public assistance
90% of college students and younger
99% of people aged 30+ still living at home
the top 0.000001% of income earners (Zuckerberg, Gates, etc)
0% of people with an ounce of common sense

#14 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2020-01-08 05:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Meanwhile Nearly 400K Anchor Babies Born in 2019, Exceeding U.S. Births in 48 States..good news for Dems.

#15 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2020-01-08 06:32 AM | Reply

Meanwhile Nearly 400K Anchor Babies Born in 2019, Exceeding U.S. Births in 48 States..good news for Dems.

#15 | POSTED BY GREATAMERICAN

So people who want to become American citizens all vote Democrat? Why do they not vote Republican?

#16 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-01-08 07:08 AM | Reply

"So people who want to become American citizens all vote Democrat? Why do they not vote Republican?
#16 | POSTED BY WHODAMAN "

Because they have more affinity/loyalty to their families stuck in their -------- countries than for the USA and want them to be able to sneak across the border too and they now Trump will end that.

#17 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2020-01-08 08:02 AM | Reply

Because they have more affinity/loyalty to their families stuck in their -------- countries

I guess you haven't noticed the same thing with the Irish or the Italians, huh? Face it. You only have a problem when they aren't white. Lots of white people come here with visas and just never leave. That never seems to be what you mean when you talk about "illegals".

#18 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-01-08 08:47 AM | Reply

"That never seems to be what you mean when you talk about "illegals".
#18 | POSTED BY WHODAMAN "

What are you talking about? Throw them out too. While you are at it, fine their visa sponsors.

#19 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2020-01-08 09:37 AM | Reply

"Because they have more affinity/loyalty to their families stuck in their -------- countries"

"Immigrants have long enlisted in all branches of the U.S. military, beginning with the Revolutionary War. The foreign born represented half of all military recruits by the 1840s and 20 percent of the 1.5 million service members in the Union Army during the Civil War. Today, the number of veterans who were born outside the United States stands at approximately 530,000, representing 3 percent of all 18.6 million veterans nationwide. Additionally, almost 1.9 million veterans are the U.S.-born children of immigrants. Together, the 2.4 million veterans of immigrant origin, either because they themselves are immigrants or are the children of immigrants, account for 13 percent of all veterans."

www.migrationpolicy.org

#20 | Posted by danni at 2020-01-08 09:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Nulli is a POS troll who shows up to drop stinky turd troll comments and never comes back to defend his warped, idiotic views.

#21 | Posted by JOE at 2020-01-08 10:07 AM | Reply

--90% of college students and younger

99% of college administrators.
90% of college professors
89% of journalists
94% of Hollywood celebrities
85$$$ of major sports players and coaches
90% of public employees
92% of government school teachers

#22 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-01-08 10:35 AM | Reply

So people who want to become American citizens all vote Democrat? Why do they not vote Republican?

#16 | Posted by WhoDaMan

Cause dems give them free stuff complements of tax paying Americans.

#23 | Posted by Sniper at 2020-01-08 12:41 PM | Reply

The point AOC was making, and seems to have been overlooked by most of you, is that in many ways the current Democratic Party is too big a tent. It encompasses way to vast a range of political outlooks. AOC and Joe Biden should not be in the same political party in a sane system. They don't agree on just about anything when it comes to implementation issues.

I have mixed feeling about this. Lord know I would hate to inadvertently assist the GOP by breaking up the Dems into a bunch of smaller Parties, none of which could compete with a monolithic Republican Party. But I also often do not feel as if the DNC reflects my opinions and political desires. This really crystalized for me back in 2016 when HRC was chosen as the Democratic nominee. I do not support corporate shill Democratic candidates. The Joe Bidens of the world are of course preferable to the Donald Trumps, but Joe Biden is way too conservative on many issues for my tastes. Obviously, a lot of Democrats also feel the same way.

#24 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-01-08 01:21 PM | Reply

So people who want to become American citizens all vote Democrat? Why do they not vote Republican?

Because they know the repugs will put their children in concentration camps and watch them die

#25 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2020-01-08 01:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

For what it's worth, - I'd would prefer it if US had a parliamentarian system of government. Let the various factions for coalitions. Let's not stick all the different political outlooks into just one of two major Parties.

#26 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-01-08 01:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

*form separate coalitions

#27 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-01-08 01:44 PM | Reply

#11 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Very well written.

I agree with your analysis of both parties.

#28 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-08 01:56 PM | Reply

More and more, people are beginning to realize that establishment Democrats have no interest in actually fixing America.

#29 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-01-08 09:46 PM | Reply

#14 common sense is code for "full of schit".

No wonder iraschitberg places such a premium on it.

#30 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-09 02:47 AM | Reply

Meanwhile Nearly 400K Anchor Babies Born in 2019, Exceeding U.S. Births in 48 States..good news for Dems.

#15 | POSTED BY GREATAMERICAN

Maybe if you guys didn't try so hard to be raging -------- all the time that wouldn't be such a problem for you and so good for the Dems.

Nothing proves the mental midget status of the right better than their inability to figure out why normal people can't stand them.

#31 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-09 02:52 AM | Reply

If the Dems move to the left it will result in marginalization of the party. There is a reason that Democratic Socialists flock to the Democratic Party. It's because many Democrats have taken advantage of the free market economy and have money. Democratic Socialists, on the other hand, run on a platform of taking money from others rather than earning it themselves. And this will inevitably result in conflict.

It already has to a limited degree, when superdelegate Boyd Brown (iirc) stated that he would never vote for a socialist.

If the democratic socialists were honest, they'd go start their own party. The problem is they're parasitic to start with...they don't have a solid base to fund them.

#32 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-01-09 03:13 AM | Reply

"Because they know the repugs will put their children in concentration camps and watch them die"

Really?

They're not free to go back to wherever they came from any time they want?

The Dems are playing the long game. The practical solution would be to allow entry as guest workers to fill vacancies in underserved areas. If citizenship was desired, it could be applied for like anyone else. If they lost the job, deport them. If they got in trouble, deport them. But in the mean time, make use of them.

The Dems see immigrants in the same way they see low income earners in the US. A demographic that can be made dependent on government, and therefor obligated to vote for the party that will provide them with the most benefit for the least amount of effort. Additionally, by specifically targeting Hispanic voters who would tend to gravitate to the border states, you have the possibility to turn Texas blue, which would almost certainly result in the Democratic Party being the Dominant party within the current political paradigm.

#33 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-01-09 03:22 AM | Reply

The democrats are just people tryng to build a country, make things better, live our lives and enjoy our lives. What are the Republicans doing, who are they? Just this past week their insanity showed through in their application of insane use of military power for electioneering.

#34 | Posted by danni at 2020-01-09 07:03 AM | Reply

"If they lost the job, deport them. If they got in trouble, deport them. But in the mean time, make use of them."

What you are recommending is indentured servitude. When employers have the power to demand work or else you are deported they may as well be slaves. Your employment ideas seem to have been designed in Saudi Arabia or UAE. They are unAmerican and disgusting.

#35 | Posted by danni at 2020-01-09 07:06 AM | Reply

Because they know the repugs will put their children in concentration camps and watch them die

#25 | Posted by reinheitsgebot

And if you believe that you are one stoopid SOB O'bummer built all the cages for the children. and that is a fact.

#36 | Posted by Sniper at 2020-01-09 01:05 PM | Reply

Trump is an anchor baby. So is Jared.

#37 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-01-09 01:30 PM | Reply

"The democrats are just people tryng to build a country, make things better, live our lives and enjoy our lives."

I agree. Many are.

But the Democratic Socialists who are trying to infect the party are not. They're trying to co-opt that which others have built, to make things better for themselves.

"What you are recommending is indentured servitude. When employers have the power to demand work or else you are deported they may as well be slaves."

Is someone making them come here?

"Your employment ideas seem to have been designed in Saudi Arabia or UAE. They are unAmerican and disgusting."

I live in Qatar for a year. Every Sunday I would go down to the Carrefour and buy groceries. The store employed these Indonesian guys to clean your car. For 15 rial (around $5) they would wipe your car down in the 120 degree heat.

How bad would live had to have been to move to a place where you wipe down cars in intense heat for low pay?

#38 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-01-10 02:56 AM | Reply

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