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Saturday, January 11, 2020

Iran announced early Saturday that it had accidentally shot down a Ukrainian passenger jet, blaming human error because of what it called the plane's sharp, unexpected turn toward a sensitive military base, according to a statement issued by the country's military. The announcement reversed Iran's claims that mechanical issues caused the crash of the aircraft on Wednesday, which killed all 176 people aboard.

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#1 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-01-10 11:37 PM | Reply

The Iranian military's statement said the plane "took the flying posture and altitude of an enemy target" as it came close to an Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps base. It said that "under these circumstances, because of human error," the plane "came under fire."

International pressure had been building on Iran to take responsibility. American and allied intelligence assessments have said that Iranian missiles brought down the plane, most likely by accident, amid the heightened tensions between the United States and Iran.

#2 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-01-10 11:38 PM | Reply

A very sad story, although slightly reassuring that planes don't just spontaneously explode due to mechanical issues.

#3 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-01-10 11:41 PM | Reply

After the crash, experts raised questions about why Iranian authorities had not stopped flights in and out of Tehran.

In Iran, a debate over how much blame the government bears threatened to destroy the national solidarity that followed the country's conflict with the United States. Many Iranians said that their anger over the lack of accountability at the highest levels of government had quickly returned.

I think that this is a very important part of this story even if this point doesn't receive much focus domestically. For all Trump's assassination did not unite Iranians around their government, this tragic mistake underscores the government's inability to function competently in the eyes of many of its citizens, still suffering under years of oppressive US-led sanctions.

So now the country will suffer even more, and have to pay out tens of millions (or more) in compensation to the victim's families due to an unconscionable screw up that never should have happened. This is nothing but a whole crapload of bad for Iran no matter how you cut it.

#4 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-01-10 11:56 PM | Reply

Disgusting America-hating leftists will still blame America.

#5 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-01-11 12:03 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

tens of millions (or more) in compensation t

Maybe Obama can come up with some more!

This is nothing but a whole crapload of bad for Iran no matter how you cut it.

Tell that to the US soldiers killed or maimed with the money Obama gave Iran .....

If the sanctions are so crippling on their economy perhaps they should stop all the proxy wars...

#6 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-01-11 12:26 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Oh ---- off those of you politicizing this thread. This was a human tragedy, no matter what your political views are. You people are just as disgusting as those who politicized 9/11, on either side.

#7 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-01-11 12:31 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Oh ---- off yourself. Leftists politicized this the day it happened. Even fake moderates like "Mayor Pete" did.

Pete Buttigieg
Verified account @PeteButtigieg

Pete Buttigieg Retweeted CBS News

Innocent civilians are now dead because they were caught in the middle of an unnecessary and unwanted military --- for tat.

#8 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-01-11 12:39 AM | Reply

#4 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Poor TehranTony, the Ayatollah apologist. playing his tiny violin.

#9 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2020-01-11 12:53 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Pete is correct you know.

#10 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-11 01:43 AM | Reply

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And here is the video of them doing it:

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#11 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2020-01-11 07:43 AM | Reply

Canada is preparing to invade with a caravan of moose Mounties and airdrops of maple syrup

#12 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-01-11 08:04 AM | Reply

If Donald Trump did it, he'd still be denying it.

#13 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-11 09:10 AM | Reply

The terrorist organization, Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, 'accidently' shot down an international passenger jet. Ok.

"US Designates Iran Revolutionary Guard a Terrorist Group" www1.cbn.com

#14 | Posted by Avigdore at 2020-01-11 09:24 AM | Reply

The plane was on the same flight path as all the others before it. It was traveling at 300mph.
Nothing like a us cruise missile.

Even Iran's "ownership" of the incident is a bunch of bull ----.

What inept military thinks a plane taking off from Tehran is a us missile?

These savages can't even properly take ownership, and they're the crew that had American media soiling themselves?

#15 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2020-01-11 10:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

These savages can't even properly take ownership, and they're the crew that had American media soiling themselves?

#15 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2020-01-1

Then Trump is also a savage. He, too, takes no ownership; of anything the least bit uncomplimentary.

As for Iran, even if they're as bad as the Italians during World War II, they'll get their licks in.

The people on that airliner never thought they'd be casualties of war.

Trumpites really don't think they can be casualties of war.

George W. Bush really didn't thin there would be American casualties in his wr.

And that brings us to Donald Trump.

#16 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-11 11:14 AM | Reply

George W. Bush really didn't think there would be American casualties in his war.

That's what the man said.

And Rummy said it was only a few dead enders.

When will the Right become disgusted with such people at last?

#17 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-11 11:15 AM | Reply

"Innocent civilians are now dead because they were caught in the middle of an unnecessary and unwanted military --- for tat."

This statement could just as easily come from Tulsi Gabbard or Ron Paul. It's not talking about any particular politician or political party. You, "Mackris" and Zed are really acting beyond pathetic in this thread.

#18 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-01-11 11:30 AM | Reply

You, "Mackris" and Zed are really acting beyond pathetic in this thread.

#18 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-01-11 11:30 AM | Reply

I'll not apologize for anything bad I say about Donald Trump.

He's a much worse man and president than I have the talent to express here.

#19 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-11 11:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So....Anyone on the Right care to admit what's smacking them in the face? That Donald Trump took us closer to a full-scale war with Iran than we've ever been?

There's a direct line between Donald's actions and that dead airliner.

#20 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-11 11:36 AM | Reply

So....Anyone on the Right care to admit what's smacking them in the face? That if we WERE now in a full-scale war with Iran Donald Trump would be saying praise God and halleujuah?

#21 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-11 11:38 AM | Reply

You see, if we were in a hot fight with Iran right now DONALD TRUMP would be saying so sorry those passengers are dead, but, I mean, that's what happens in war. At least, I've been told that it does. I've never actually been to war. But, in any case vote for me. Not those treasonous Democrats.

#22 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-11 11:40 AM | Reply

I blame the Wright brothers and the direct line between their actions and the resulting loss of life in that aircraft.

#23 | Posted by Avigdore at 2020-01-11 12:06 PM | Reply

Boeing is working on a software update.

#24 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-01-11 12:38 PM | Reply

Disgusting America-hating leftists will still blame America.

#5 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

No. This is not America's fault. I am certain it is not my fault. The responsibility lies with Donald Jenius Trump. The Deciderer.

This is one of the reasons we don't assassinate world leaders. And state actors. The state has a military. And military personnel make mistakes in titles of war.

And make no mistake. We are at war. Whether we "declare" it or not.

This Assassination was an act of war.

You don't think we are at war? Go stand in front of the Republican Guard and wave the Stars and Stripes and see what happens.

#25 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-01-11 12:42 PM | Reply

#25

Don't be such a drama queen. Iran now admits to shooting down the airliner and claims it was an accident, which it most likely was. We've been engaged in a soft war with Iran since '79. Tensions between the 2 countries long preceded Donald Trump. Do you blame Trump for 9/11? What about the Civil war? Pearl Harbor?

#26 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-11 12:50 PM | Reply

This Assassination was an act of war.

As were the hundreds of US troops who were killed as a result of the actions of this Salami guy.

#27 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-11 12:51 PM | Reply

Attacking our embassy, training and funding militias to kill Americans are also acts of war.

#28 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-01-11 12:52 PM | Reply

I don't know why anyone bothers to even engage CraZed, in his twisted world everything is Trump's fault.

#29 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-01-11 01:11 PM | Reply

"Millennial's [sic] have no time for serious debate, unless you agree with them." Boy George.

#30 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-01-11 01:13 PM | Reply

I feel sorry for the ADA crew that fired the missiles. I would suspect that the true story was that the plane suddenly showed up on radar and the crew thought that it was a US stealth aircraft getting ready to drop it's load. If it was and if they could see it, they would only have seconds before it would disappear again. The real owner of the shoot down was the military commander of the area around the capital. He knew that they had attacked the US bases, he knew that the possibility of a counter strike was possible. He should have grounded all civilian aircraft for 48 hours to insure America would not counter attack. If the Government had been honest and up front, the people would have accepted that they were responding to what they though was a threat to the people. That would have been acceptable to the people as it stands, the government just lied again and the people are tired of it. IMHO OF COURSE.

#31 | Posted by LittleJake at 2020-01-11 01:25 PM | Reply

This is nothing but a whole crapload of bad for Iran no matter how you cut it.

#4 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2020-01-10 11:56 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Some people are saying this wouldn't have happened if America didn't ramp up hostilities by assassination.

There is some political cost to us.

#32 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-01-11 01:37 PM | Reply

Do you blame Trump for 9/11?

No. But he did watch Muslims dancing on top of buildings.


What about the Civil war?

His family hadn't moved to America yet.

Pearl Harbor?

His father worked with and aided the Nazis.

Also,

Donald Trump's father was arrested at Ku Klux Klan riot in New York in 1927, records reveal

www.independent.co.uk

#33 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-11 01:38 PM | Reply

I heard from a local that Iran didn't hit the US base in Iraq. They hit outside at local villages.

The whole thing sucks.

#34 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-01-11 01:38 PM | Reply

"I feel sorry for the ADA crew that fired the missiles."

Agreed. Probably a young guy, completely on edge.

And it's not like the US has never shot down an Iranian airliner under similar circumstances. It sucks, but it was unintentional. Iran does enough bad ---- intentionally...no reason to pretend like this was anything other than an accident.

#35 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-01-11 01:47 PM | Reply

"Do you blame Trump for 9/11?"

Trump was VERY happy about 9/11. He quickly began telling everyone he could about the height of his buildings, now that the twin towers were down and out of the rankings.

#36 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-01-11 01:57 PM | Reply

I feel sorry for the ADA crew that fired the missiles.

I can't even begin to imagine the mental and emotional toll it must weigh on for those responsible for this. These guys probably have nightmares every time they sleep, if they are even able to sleep.

#37 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-11 02:12 PM | Reply

if they are even able to sleep.

#37 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

The crew manning the site, especially the individual(s) who initiated the fire sequence, might be in that type of forever sleep for creating an international incident.

#38 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-01-11 02:17 PM | Reply

he plane suddenly showed up on radar and the crew thought that it was a US stealth aircraft getting ready to drop it's load. If it was and if they could see it, they would only have seconds before it would disappear again.

I have no inside knowledge of what these planes would look like on radar, but I'd imagine they would have to be different. And wouldn't the operators know where the closest domestic international airport was located? What a FUBAR situation.

#39 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-01-11 02:20 PM | Reply

Tragic and unnecessary. Trump is not blameless, but Iran bears the brunt of the responsibility. At least they're now acknowledging the truth"not something they're known for doing on a regular basis.

I do believe this grievous error might humble Iran's leadership, which hopefully will contribute to de-escalation.

#40 | Posted by cbob at 2020-01-11 02:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I remembver not that long ago Russia did this... Malaysia airlines...2014...283 then. Sad sad sad.

#41 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2020-01-11 02:44 PM | Reply

he plane suddenly showed up on radar and the crew thought that it was a US stealth aircraft getting ready to drop it's load. If it was and if they could see it, they would only have seconds before it would disappear again.

Check this out ... the plane was one of many that evening, it didn't deviate beyond the norm flight paths of the evening.
www.flightradar24.com

Then it gets interesting ....

Protesters in Tehran clash with riot police as they demand the Ayatollah RESIGNS and call for regime change after Iran finally admits to shooting down jet and killing 176 people
www.dailymail.co.uk

And off we go ....

#42 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-01-11 03:24 PM | Reply

Fury in Iran and Abroad

Ukrainian officials suggest Iran would not have admitted responsibility if investigators from Ukraine had not found missile debris in the crash wreckage.
www.nytimes.com

Ouch ...

#43 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-01-11 03:27 PM | Reply

Let's see:

A plane that just took off is going much slower than a cruise missile

The plane took off from Tehran.

The plane was gaining altitude. Cruise missiles fly at a constant altitude relative to the ground.

Cruise missiles 'hug' the ground. IOW, they fly quite low. A Tomahawk CM flies about 100 feet above the ground. That is their intention because radar cannot pick up something right next to the ground. Yet radar obviously picked up the plane. A plane attains that altitude within seconds of take off.

This seems to be no accident. BUt if it was an accident, it shows how truly inept the Iranian military is (they missed the PLC hack on their centrifuges, too) and how easy these Persian Gulf bullies will be to silence once and for all if they don't stop their shenanigans.

#44 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-11 03:29 PM | Reply

"Trump is not blameless...

#40 | POSTED BY CBOB "

*sigh*

It was only a matter of time until TDS reared its ugly head. OK, Cbob, indulge us and tell us why Trump shares the blame for the incompetence of the Iranian military that can't differentiate between a plane and a cruise missile.

#45 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-11 03:33 PM | Reply

Cbob, indulge us and tell us why Trump shares the blame for the incompetence of the Iranian military that can't differentiate between a plane and a cruise missile.

What kind of system doesn't have ADS-B?

Regardless, if that was the case then I blame Obama for not giving Iran enough money to buy proper equipment.

#46 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-01-11 03:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This seems to be no accident.

I am not sure, but until we know who was on that flight I wouldn't declare it as "accidental".

#47 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-01-11 03:43 PM | Reply

"What kind of system doesn't have ADS-B?

#46 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS "

Not to mention IFF.

#48 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-11 03:45 PM | Reply

Interesting ...

Iranian Protestors Now Being Tear Gassed For Protesting!
prosportsextra.com

#49 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-01-11 03:46 PM | Reply

Not to mention IFF.
#48 | POSTED BY GOATMAN A

Even better :)

#50 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-01-11 03:47 PM | Reply

Do we really trust Iran with Nuke development "agreements" when they can't even tell the truth about this?

So let me see if I get this right...

* world has one less really bad terrorist
* Democrats want to investigate the killing of said terrorist.
* Iran corrupt regime is exposed by accidentally shooting down a plane and lying about it
* Iranian people are protesting and pushing for change

Trump is the Greatest President of All Time ...

#51 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-01-11 03:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Wow these protests are happening all of Iran.

#52 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-01-11 03:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

no reason to pretend like this was anything other than an accident.
#35 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

The issue is they got caught lying about it....

Now Iranians are protesting, I wonder if more honesty and they wouldn't be having these protests. ...

Iranian authorities admitted to making a mistake by downing a civilian aircraft that killed 176 people

But people are unfazed. In this slogan chanted tonight, they say " You made a mistake? Screw you"

Iranians are indignant with their rulers and there're protests in the country
twitter.com

#53 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-01-11 04:00 PM | Reply

I'm not sure why anyone would suggest this was intentional.
Canada's head cheerleader made it sound like he thought it may not be an accident as well.

#54 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2020-01-11 04:06 PM | Reply

--Iranian Protestors Now Being Tear Gassed For Protesting!
prosportsextra.com

They deserve it. They're a bunch of trumpists and fascists, like the Hong Kong protestors.
--The Left

#55 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-01-11 04:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I'm not sure why anyone would suggest this was intentional.

I am thinking, we don't know who was on the plane, it was Ukrainian ... . Possible "hit"? Under the fog of war.

I while possibly accidental, look at all the planes that left that evening and their flight paths ... nothing strange about those at all.

Unless someone just didn't know what they were doing, planes take that flight path all evening, now they fire on one?

#56 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-01-11 04:18 PM | Reply

Canada's head cheerleader made it sound like he thought it may not be an accident as well.

This was surprising ... but threw some shade on Trump.

NeverTrumpReporter: "Given the tensions in the area that were the cause of a drone strike by the United States, do you think the United States is at least partially responsible for this tragedy?"

CaadianBlackface: "I think it is too soon to be drawing conclusions of assigning responsibility, whatever proportions. Right now, our focus is on supporting the families who are grieving across the country and provide what answers we can in a preliminary way, and recognizing that there is going to need to be a full and credible investigation into what exactly happened before we draw conclusions."

#57 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-01-11 04:21 PM | Reply

"I am thinking, we don't know who was on the plane, it was Ukrainian ... . Possible "hit"? Under the fog of war."

The US shot down an Iranian Airbus A300 in 1988, despite having a very sophisticated surveillance system. Unfortunately, these things happen.

I don't know what sort of Common Operating Picture the Iranian military uses, but virtually anyone nowadays has access to the civilian air traffic picture. I would have thought that the Iranian government would have been able to easily create a civilian/military fusion COP in order to build situational awareness. I have no doubt that the civil aviation authority was tracking the Ukrainian airliner.

#58 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-01-11 04:37 PM | Reply

Dubya's "gift" keeps on giving.

#59 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-11 04:41 PM | Reply

"Dubya's "gift" keeps on giving.

#59 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR "

Stupid as ---- flag.

So just as I asked Cbob how it was Trump's fault, I ask you how W is involved.

Your silence (I know you won't reply) only tells me you have no idea and that you just thought you were being profound and edgy by displaying your irrational hyper-partisanship. Prove me wrong be telling how W is involved. Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock)

#60 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-11 05:26 PM | Reply

I have no doubt that the civil aviation authority was tracking the Ukrainian airliner. #58 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

No doubt. "You're clear for take off...." then BOOM.

#61 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-01-11 05:30 PM | Reply

After lying about shooting down this plane and the casualties from their retaliatory rocket attacks anyone that believes that Iran was following Obama's Nuke Deal is delusional.

#62 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-01-11 06:34 PM | Reply

"I have no inside knowledge of what these planes would look like on radar, but I'd imagine they would have to be different. And wouldn't the operators know where the closest domestic international airport was located? What a FUBAR situation."

It sounds like the person who did it was a 'junior officer' who probably did not have much experience in the field.

#63 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-01-11 06:34 PM | Reply

"BUt if it was an accident, it shows how truly inept the Iranian military is"

I can believe it. Iran is a dysfunctional country run by a despotic regime. Not too much unlike Iraq was under Saddam Hussein. Remember how easy it was to silence their shenanigans?

#64 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-01-11 07:03 PM | Reply

Disgusting Confederate States of America-hating leftists will still blame American Confederates.

#5 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

We will, you United States hating moron.

#65 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2020-01-13 12:31 PM | Reply

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