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Monday, January 13, 2020

President Donald Trump authorized the killing of Iranian Maj. Gen. Qassem Soleimani seven months ago if Iran's increased aggression resulted in the death of an American, according to five current and former senior administration officials.

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So, about the time when Impeachment began to be seriously discussed.

Just a little 'insurance policy' to keep in his back pocket for when a bad news cycle comes along.

A bit of the old automatic 'wag the dog'.

#1 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2020-01-13 02:13 PM | Reply

#1

Still bummed that Soleimani is dead I see.

#2 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-01-13 02:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So defense contractor blood is on Trump's hands, for not killing Soleimani earlier...

Oh well. Nobody cares, it's only a defense contractor.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-13 02:26 PM | Reply

So defense contractor blood is on Trump's hands, for not killing Soleimani earlier...

More like Bush and Obama's hands..

#4 | Posted by boaz at 2020-01-13 02:34 PM | Reply

#4 why stop there? Roll it back to whoever was President when the CIA overthrew Iran's democracy in 1953.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-13 02:36 PM | Reply

Still bummed that Soleimani is dead I see.

#2 | Posted by Rightocenter

I would have thought this kind of stupidity was beneath you.

#6 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-13 03:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Still bummed that Soleimani is dead I see."

I am. But not for his sake-- for ours.

If your up to it, here's a riddle for you to solve:

You are in an enclosed room. There is a locked door and two buttons on one of the walls. A loud voice tells you that pushing one button will open a door and will give you your freedom while pushing the other button will keep you imprisoned in that small room for the rest of your life. You can only push one button.

One of the buttons has "push me to assassinate Soleimani" clearly written on it.

Which one do you push?

You get angry. "This is preposterous!" you say. "Of all the hypothetical doggerel I've come across you think you can force me to..."

The loud voice interrupts you.

"OK,OK" it says. "Here's 3 Hints. A paper appears before you. It reads:

1. Not pushing a button won't help.
2. Pushing the button without the writing frees you.
3. Re-read Hint #2"

The voice speaks one last phrase: "Your choice, Trumptard."

#7 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2020-01-13 03:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Here's another hypothetical:

You have to decide if something is good or bad.

You cannot query MSNBC/DNC.

Later you are told that Trump agrees with you.

Do you change your mind?

#8 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-01-13 03:41 PM | Reply

#4 why stop there? Roll it back to whoever was President when the CIA overthrew Iran's democracy in 1953.

#5 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Now you are getting it ...

But why not go back to when the Sunni-Shia split happened?

#9 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-01-13 03:52 PM | Reply

"But why not go back to when the Sunni-Shia split happened?"

Was America involved in that?
Quick answer: no.

Keep your eye on the ball, Casey.

#10 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2020-01-13 04:13 PM | Reply

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Still bummed that Soleimani is dead I see.
#2 | Posted by Rightocenter
I would have thought this kind of stupidity was beneath you.
#6 | Posted by jpw

You'd be wrong.

#11 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-01-13 05:51 PM | Reply

Prior to impeachment so no wag the dog. He did organize an attack on our embassy so that information was true. Sorry like the economy, Trump is doing a much better job than you are willing to admit.

#12 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-01-14 07:49 AM | Reply

#8 | Posted by visitor_

How about you tell us what we have to decide between? Nerf made a good point.

Let's play this one:

Good or bad? Kill Saddam and his brood.

This is where these games get a little tricky for people who see the world in black and white.

Soleimani being dead is a good thing - but it won't stop what Iran is doing. There are a dozen more Soleimani's waiting to take his place.

#13 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2020-01-14 09:09 AM | Reply

Still bummed that Soleimani is dead

What a stupid ------- hack you are.

#14 | Posted by JOE at 2020-01-14 09:28 AM | Reply

True there are many to take his place, but with Trump in charge they may temper their actions because instead of pallet-o-appeasement-cash they can expect a drone strike.

#15 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-01-14 12:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"True there are many to take his place, but with Trump in charge they may temper their actions because instead of pallet-o-appeasement-cash they can expect a drone strike."

Can we can also expect more accidental plane shoot downs with hundreds of casualties?

#16 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2020-01-14 01:11 PM | Reply

There is no rational way to lay the blame for the plane being shot down on the US or Trump. Not even the tiniest bit.

#17 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-01-14 01:55 PM | Reply

"There is no rational way to lay the blame for the plane being shot down on the US or Trump"

That's only because you are completely and hopelessly IRRATIONAL; you have been conditioned to view anything other than the complete idiocy pouring out the piehole of your cult leader as IRRATIONAL.

Your blanket support for Trump, who deals with things beyond his comprehension in a completely irrational manner, proves this. I don't really have to.

Legally speaking, as far as the plane downing, Iran is fully responsible for the CIVIL liability that has been incurred from the unintentional result of what they deemed an act of self defense, but overall, the Trump administration shoulders a portion of the criminal liability for putting Iran into a crisis of self-defense inside their own home (i.e. their own country). If Trump was an individual in this country, and had plainly shown intent to cause grievous harm to someone inside their own home, then he could be held criminally liable for any casualty that was incurred during the said homeowner's act of self defense.

I understand as a boot-licking lackey of Trump you do not find the law rational. It is simply something to be trampled on whenever necessary.

#18 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2020-01-14 02:19 PM | Reply

So no other party has any agency or accountability if Trump or the US are involved. It's always our fault? Don't take this the wrong way, are you female?

#19 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-01-14 02:30 PM | Reply

"So no other party has any agency or accountability if Trump or the US are involved"

Do you read?

It's always our fault?

The thief is only blamed when he actually steals. The murderer is only blamed when he actually murders. Get it?

"Don't take this the wrong way, are you female?"

I wish I was, then I could say that a girl was beating the living ---- out of you in a debate.

#20 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2020-01-14 02:38 PM | Reply

Iran shot down a plane while they were attacking us, that's like a assailant shooting themselves with their own gun. Killing Soleimani was not a random act, it was payback for his own bad actions. We still owe them for firing on our bases.

#21 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-01-14 02:47 PM | Reply

"Iran shot down a plane while they were attacking us"

America effectively declared war on Iran back in 1953 when they decided to help overthrow the democratically elected leader in a coup, installing a puppet that was responsible for years of oppression and death with the blind eye of America turned away. A good case could be made in a court of law that everything Iran has done since that time could be considered self-defense. At no time has Iran ever attacked or threatened the American mainland. Iran does not have dozens of military bases surrounding America with nuclear missiles pointing at homeland targets, including cultural ones, putting millions of ordinary people several seconds away from annihilation. Every one of those acts is an effective act of war against Iran. I will also note that America continues to pollute its politics by allowing Israel undue influence over its foreign policy decision-making. Trump, in his idiocy, has allowed himself to be influenced by those who place Israel's interests over America's.

You are defending an irrational foreign policy that has been irrational for over three generations. Your pimp Trump is only the latest moron to get sucked into it. You gladly follow along.

It's in America's best interest for the future to change gears, reduce presence and ultimately and get out of there. A few years back, it was thought that Trump might actually help with that. But now he has taken himself and his devoted turd polishers down the crapper and just made it near impossible to avoid further escalation/conflict.

#22 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2020-01-14 03:12 PM | Reply

We can't change the past. 1953 is before most people currently alive in both nations were born. I believe if Iran cooled down their proxy wars through out the middle east and gave up their nuclear program we would leave them be.

#23 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-01-14 03:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

overall, the Trump administration shoulders a portion of the criminal liability for putting Iran into a crisis of self-defense

Exactly. This is too often ignored.

Banging the drum for war (and committing overt acts of war) increases the chances of miscalculation, human error and ultimately innocent deaths. Of course Iranians ------ up and shot the plane down. But would they have been shooting at anything had we not just shot a missile at their military commander?

#24 | Posted by JOE at 2020-01-14 03:40 PM | Reply

"1953 is before most people currently alive in both nations were born"

The vast majority of current Iranians have been directly affected by those actions and the ones thereafter. The statue of limitations on crimes against humanity is fairly broad. There are still people being arrested internationally and tried for crimes they committed during the Holocaust back in the 40s.

"I believe if Iran cooled down their proxy wars through out the middle east and gave up their nuclear program we would leave them be"

In other words, if Iran ceases to do what America already is doing (threatening other countries with nukes and starting wars in other places around the globe), then they theoretically might be left alone-- even though they had neither a nuclear program nor engaged in proxy wars back in 1953 when America came in and meddled in their internal affairs. The tendency for America NOT to mind its own business and leave countries alone is self-evident. You are either very naive or just saying what you are saying to get out of an debate that you cannot come close to winning.

I would suggest you rethink your ideas about America's foreign policy vis-a-vis Iran and the Middle east in general.

#25 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2020-01-14 03:50 PM | Reply

"I believe if Iran cooled down their proxy wars through out the middle east and gave up their nuclear program we would leave them be."

They didn't have proxy wars or a nuke program when we overthrew them in 1953.

You're incapable of seeing that we are the bad guys on this one.

Deplorable.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-14 05:15 PM | Reply

Hell, that POS was on our kill list 15 years ago. He was Sader's money man. He had the good sense not to enter Iraq back then.

#27 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-01-14 10:01 PM | Reply

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