Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Monday, January 13, 2020

New Yorker Magazine and Huffington Post contributor Yashar Ali, tries in a series of tweets to explain to his fellow liberals that what they're doing -- siding with the Mullahs and against freedom-loving Iranians -- is not only wrong, but that his fellow progressives are all too willing to suck up to dictatorial regimes if they believe doing so helps them politically.

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With regard to the massive protests that have broken out in Iran, Yashar explains that "all the family/friends I spoke to who live in different parts of Iran) are furious that they were lied to for three days about the case of the plane crash. The Iranian government lied left and right about where the plan was headed."

"The idea that [Trump is] to blame for a decision the IRGC made" to shoot down the passenger airliner, he writes, "is just absurd... You don't see Iranians blaming President Trump for the crash (in which Iranian citizens were killed). They're blaming the IRGC and the Supreme Leader for a series of horrific mistakes."

"I've gone through some of the most active and prominent liberal Twitter accounts and none of them mentioned the Iran protests today. These same people were actively tweeting about wanting to avoid war and attacking Trump for his decision. What happened?" Yashar wonders.

He concludes that "Iranians are being used by certain people on the left (I didn't say all) as a tool to attack President Trump. But these same people don't seem to care to support their right to protest?" And so, he continues, "It seems to me the protests were inconvenient for some of these folks today. They were placing the blame on the Iranian leadership who lied repeatedly about what happened. They weren't blaming President Trump... so it wasn't worth it to bring attention to or support them?"

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Wait, what?

-The Left

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-01-13 03:09 PM | Reply

It's not just Trump, it's America in general. They want a radical transformation of America and Trump is just the guy currently standing in the way.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-01-13 03:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Donald Trump just tried to start a hot war for personal gain.

Sane people don't like Donald Trump, nor does he make it easy for us to do that.

Trump's no victim, but he's great at playing the role.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-13 03:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

"It seems to me the protests were inconvenient for some of these folks today. They were placing the blame on the Iranian leadership who lied repeatedly about what happened. They weren't blaming President Trump... so it wasn't worth it to bring attention to or support them?"

The Iranian public wasn't blaming Trump for the airliner.

They WERE blaming him for killing on of their prominent nationals.

This was all within the last week.

Another example of the Trumpite tactical loss of memory.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-13 04:02 PM | Reply

Trump's the one who violated the Iran Nuke deal. He holds 100% responsibility for all that happens after that. Nice trolling ROC/LCL.

#5 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-13 04:22 PM | Reply

The airplane really screwed up the mullahs. I hope they all get kicked out of the government and the Islamic theocracy is ended.

But I heard the death of Soliemani was condoned by ayatollah khamenei.

Apparently Soliemani was starting to challenge the mullahs reign.

Who knows.

#6 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-13 04:29 PM | Reply

LOL, CraZed spewing his nuttiness and Laura blaming Trump for 100% of everything after pulling out of a deal that Iran had no intention of living up to.

TFF

#6

One of my partners has family still in Iran in Mahmoodiyeh and he says that the IRGC is out in force beating and/or arresting anyone on the street after dark.

I hope everyone stays safe.

#7 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-01-13 06:41 PM | Reply

#7

A friend from France sent me this link.

It's the aftermath of one of the current, ongoing protests.

**Caution! It shows a lot of blood**

twitter.com

#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-13 08:16 PM | Reply

#8

Yikes. An investment banker I know here in BH is frantically trying to get his extended family out of Mashhad through Turkmenistan, which is a fairly loosely watched border.

I hope everyone you know is safe.

#9 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-01-13 10:21 PM | Reply

"siding with the Mullahs"

Who is doing this, exactly?

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-13 10:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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"siding with the Mullahs"

Who is doing this, exactly?

Religious conservatives.

#11 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-14 12:51 AM | Reply

www.memri.org

Iranian protestors shout America Is Not Our Enemy.

#12 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2020-01-14 01:38 AM | Reply

...young Iranians say they admire, of all places, America...

www.smithsonianmag.com

#13 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2020-01-14 01:39 AM | Reply

www.smithsonianmag.com

Perhaps the most striking thing about anti-Americanism in Iran today is how little of it actually exists. After the September 11 attacks, a large, spontaneous candlelight vigil took place in Tehran, where the thousands gathered shouted "Down with terrorists."

Though hard-line officials urge "Death to America" during Friday prayers, most Iranians seem to ignore the propaganda. "The paradox of Iran is that it just might be the most pro-American...populace in the Muslim world..."

#14 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2020-01-14 01:46 AM | Reply

"The paradox of Iran is that it just might be the most pro-American...populace in the Muslim world..."

#14 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2020-01-14 01:46 AM | Reply

Which is why we need Trump to start a war with it.

#15 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-14 11:46 AM | Reply

"siding with the Mullahs"

Who is doing this, exactly?

#10 | Posted by snoofy

If you recall your recent George W. Bush history, who says it is anyone who doubts Donald Trump as warlord.

#16 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-14 11:48 AM | Reply

""The paradox of Iran is that it just might be the most pro-American...populace in the Muslim world..."
#14 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2020-01-14 01:46 AM | Reply
Which is why we need Trump to start a war with it.

#15 | POSTED BY ZED "

That's probably why he hasn't and won't, zed.

Of course you won't give him credit for this. You'll just condemn him for something that might happen rather than praise him for something that has happened. But that would be expected with someone as grossly afflicted with TDS as you are, zed.

#17 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-14 11:49 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

blaming Trump for 100% of everything after pulling out of a deal that Iran had no intention of living up to.

#7 | Posted by Rightocenter at

How can you say that with a straight face when you know they were living up to it?

#18 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-14 11:50 AM | Reply

You'll just condemn him for something that might happen

#17 | Posted by goatman

Adults are always concerned when children play with loaded guns.

#19 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-14 11:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But that would be expected with someone as grossly afflicted with TDS

#17 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-14

I always wondered about the logic of TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome).

Makes as much sense as Hitler Derangement Syndrome (HDS).

#20 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-14 11:52 AM | Reply

I agree with Zed, RoC.

Iran was complying with the nuclear deal.

Even after Trump backed out, they were still complying.

Trump didn't scrap the deal because it wasn't working.

Trump, as with nearly everything he's done, is only trying to erase anything Obama.

Which is the definition of petty.

#21 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-14 11:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Iran was complying with the nuclear deal.

#21 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

They aren't now. Looks like Trump had the prescience to make the right choice. Of course that's not saying much. It's Iran, after all. It's pretty much a no-brainer they would break the accord.

www.bloomberg.com

#22 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-14 12:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"I always wondered about the logic of TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome).

#20 | POSTED BY ZED "

I wonder about it, too. But objectivity just escapes y'all and that's something we simply have to accept.

#23 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-14 12:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1


"Iran was complying with the nuclear deal.

#21 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

They aren't now.

#22 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-14

Yeah, funny that. Seemed to follow a recent assassination. All very mysterious.

#24 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-14 12:18 PM | Reply

Looks like Trump had the prescience

#22 | Posted by goatman at

Sure, I agree with that. He thought that a war would give him an edge in November and possibly derail impeachment.

#25 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-14 12:20 PM | Reply

"He thought that a war would give him an edge in November and possibly derail impeachment.

#25 | POSTED BY ZED "

???

What war are you talking about, zed?

#26 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-14 12:23 PM | Reply

It's bad enough Trump is trying to provoke a large, hot war. What rubs salt in the wound is all you Trumpites out there insisting on re-enacting every jot and tiddle from the run-up to war in 2003.

#27 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-14 12:25 PM | Reply

What war are you talking about, zed?

#26 | Posted by goatman at

I dunno, What you talking about, GOATMAN?

#28 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-14 12:26 PM | Reply

"Seemed to follow a recent assassination. All very mysterious.

POSTED BY ZED"

No, zed. 1) the violations preceded the assassination. 2) Neither the French, Brits, nor Germans had anything to do with the assassination.

Try to keep up and read the articles.

#29 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-14 12:26 PM | Reply

"What war are you talking about, zed?
#26 | Posted by goatman at
I dunno, What you talking about, GOATMAN?

#28 | POSTED BY ZED "

Bye, snoofy. I mean zed.

#30 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-14 12:27 PM | Reply

1) the violations preceded the assassination.

#29 | Posted by goatman

Did they (accepting they exist) precede Trump ditching the agreement?

#31 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-14 12:28 PM | Reply

I mean zed.

#30 | Posted by goatman

No, please. Tell us what you really mean.

#32 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-14 12:30 PM | Reply

"It's bad enough Trump is trying to provoke a large, hot war.

POSTED BY ZED "

Trump is detaining and bombing ships in the Persian Gulf? Trump is -------- Saudi oil fields with missiles? Trump is involved with the Embassy takeover?

Who knew.

Thanks, zed!

#33 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-14 12:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

It took almost no time at all for Trump Isolationists to morph into Trump Neocons. In fact, it took nothing more than for Trump to say it was time.

What will be Trump's 2020 campaign slogan? "He kept us out of war. Not"?

#34 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-14 12:33 PM | Reply

"Did they (accepting they exist) precede Trump ditching the agreement?

#31 | POSTED BY ZED "

I'm not in the mood to chase your moving goalposts, zed.

#35 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-14 12:33 PM | Reply

I'm not in the mood to chase your moving goalposts, zed.

#35 | Posted by goatman at

I do have a dead squirrel. You want me to throw it?

#36 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-14 12:33 PM | Reply

1) the violations preceded the assassination.
#29 | Posted by goatman

1) I'm sure you have some citations to back up your claim.

#37 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-14 03:04 PM | Reply

"1) I'm sure you have some citations to back up your claim.

#37 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

Of course I do, just as I showed you a couple of days ago how wrong you were about the abortion/republican adopt babies thing as well as other times I've proven you wrong in the past.

Of all the people I have to prove the obvious to, you are the most clueless. I grow weary of educating you.

The linked article proves it. Sorry, you'll have to look up the date of the general's assassination yourself. Think you can handle that?

#38 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-14 04:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#38

That's sure a lot of nothing you posted.

I expected nothing more.

Thanks.

#39 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-14 04:20 PM | Reply

Oh yea. Then there's this gem.

The linked article proves it.
#38 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

There is no linked article. It's a link to twitter.

And none of the tweets discuss the nuclear agreement.

But hey. At least you wrote #38, even if it's all personal attacks and bullshht, it's something. Most your Trumpublican brethren would have simply disappeared.

#40 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-14 04:45 PM | Reply

Clown and Goat:

Start with October 13, 2017 and move forward to today's date.

Timeline of Nuclear Diplomacy with Iran

#41 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-01-14 04:47 PM | Reply

RightOCenter, do you think Trump has any impact at all on Iran's nuclear ambitions?

I think Iran will get the bomb sooner, rather than later, after Trump's attack.

What do you think?

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-14 04:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Start with March 23, 2017.

When republicans decide they need to implement and new set of sanctions on Iran.

I scrolled a bit and got no where. Where exactly does it prove Iran violated the agreement?

#43 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-14 04:57 PM | Reply

#43
May 20, 2019: Iran announces it will quadruple uranium enrichment output at Natanz and says it will soon surpass the 300 kilogram limit on uranium gas enriched to 3.67 percent set by the deal.

June 17, 2019: Iran announces it will breach the 300 kilogram limit on uranium gas enriched to 3.67 percent within 10 days.

July 1, 2019: Iran announces that it breached the 300 kilogram limit on uranium gas enriched to 3.67 percent (202 kilograms of uranium by weight). The IAEA confirms that Iran has exceeded the limit.

July 2, 2019: The Foreign Ministers of France, Germany, and the United Kingdom and the EU High Representative issue a statement expressing regret for Iran's decision to breach the limit on low-enriched uranium. The ministers state that "we have been consistent and clear that our commitment to the nuclear deal depends on full compliance by Iran" and state that they are "urgently considering next steps under the terms of the JCPOA."

July 8, 2019: Iran tells the IAEA it has enriched uranium to "about 4.5 percent" uranium-235 at the Natanz pilot fuel enrichment plant. The Agency releases a report confirming Iran has exceeded the 3.67 percent enrichment cap set by the nuclear deal.

August 30, 2019: The IAEA confirms that Iran continues to exceed the 300 kilogram stockpile limit on enriched uranium (correlating to 202.8 kilograms of uranium) and the 3.67 percent enrichment cap established by the JCPOA and reports that Iran has amassed 241.6 kilograms uranium, including 25.1 kilograms uranium enriched to 4.5 percent U-235.

September 5, 2019: Iranian President Hassan Rouhani announces a third breach of the JCPOA, stating "all of our commitments for research and development under the JCPOA will be completely removed by Friday."

September 7, 2019: Iran tells the IAEA that it plans to install and test additional advanced centrifuges with natural uranium at the Natanz pilot fuel enrichment plant. The Agency verifies installation of 22 IR-4, one IR-5, and 33 IR-6 centrifuges.

Atomic Energy Organization of Iran spokesman Behrouz Kamalvandi announces that technicians have introduced UF6 to cascades of 20 IR-4 and 20 IR-6 centrifuges, exceeding the number of machines permitted in a cascade under the research and development terms of the JCPOA at that time. Kamalvandi adds that Iran may soon withdraw enriched uranium from its advanced centrifuges and add it to the stockpile of low enriched uranium in breach of the JCPOA.

September 25, 2019: Iran alerts the IAEA of four additional cascades being configured at the Natanz pilot fuel enrichment plant: one of 20 IR-2m centrifuges, one of 10 IR-5 centrifuges, one of 20 IR-6s centrifuges, and one of 164 IR-6 centrifuges.

September 26, 2019: France, Germany, and the United Kingdom warn Tehran that a fourth violation of the JCPOA will prompt a special dispute mechanism.

November 6, 2019: Spokesperson for the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran (AEOI) Behrouz Kamalvandi announces that of the 1,044 IR-1 centrifuges at Fordow, 696 machines will be configured into four cascades and used to enrich uranium up to 5 percent U-235. According to Kamalvandi, the other 348 centrifuges will be used for production of stable isotopes.

#44 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-01-14 05:17 PM | Reply

#44 All things that happened after Trump unilaterally withdrew the US from the deal...

So. Is Iran getting the bomb sooner, or later, in light of all that?

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-14 05:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#44

Those are all from 2019. Which. Yea. They violated their agreements.

But.

The United States announced its withdrawal from the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), also known as the "Iran nuclear deal" or the "Iran deal", on May 8, 2018.


Not only that. But didn't we increase sanctions on them as well?

#46 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-14 05:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The United States announced its withdrawal from the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), also known as the "Iran nuclear deal" or the "Iran deal", on May 8, 2018.

#46 | Posted by ClownShack

Trumpites have thrown this fact into the cognitive circular file.

#47 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-14 05:59 PM | Reply

#45

You are correct, but Clown was asking for violations before Soleimani was taken out. Have the goalposts been moved?

#46

I guess that answers my question above.

They still were in the JCPOA with the Germans, French, UK, EU, China and Russia.

Or do they not count?

#48 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-01-14 06:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Clown was asking for violations before Soleimani was taken out. Have the goalposts been moved?

Those were never goal posts since I never made such a stipulation.

Feel free to look through the thread.

You may have me mixed up with someone else.

#49 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-14 07:26 PM | Reply

Don't think so:

1) the violations preceded the assassination.
#29 | Posted by goatman
1) I'm sure you have some citations to back up your claim.

#37 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2020-01-14 03:04 PM

#50 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-01-14 08:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Don't think so:

You're right.

I tip my hat to you.

#51 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-14 11:02 PM | Reply

I wasn't trying to give you shht, I just provided the timeline for your discussion, it was as much for Goat as it was for you.

#52 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-01-14 11:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I wasn't trying to give you

All good. I didn't take it as such.

#53 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-14 11:28 PM | Reply

Cool. Have a good night.

#54 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-01-15 12:00 AM | Reply

Iran is only an issue for the west because they happen to sit on oil. The day they took their oil back in 1979 from the west is the day they became a "problem".
... Venezuela has the same "problem"

#55 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2020-01-15 07:45 AM | Reply

FakeLawyer with another Fake News thread.
Why is your side always claiming victimhood FakeLawyer?
Why are you guys such snowflakes?

#56 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2020-01-15 12:04 PM | Reply

Iran was complying with the nuclear deal.
#21 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

They aren't now.
#22 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

You're right.

Apparently they needed Trump to tear up the agreement and then badger them for a year straight in order to get them to take the bait.

Trump is you kinda guy. A fat, stupid troll with the intelligence of soggy pasta.

#57 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-15 07:25 PM | Reply

"Trump is you kinda guy. A fat, stupid troll with the intelligence of soggy pasta.

#57 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

*yawn*

It would have been just as easy to say, "I have credible to contrubute". B

Seriously -- do you think assigning false positions to people and insulting them reinforces your point? If you think so, you ain't very bright, dude. It is actually a big detraction and subtracts from whatever point you were trying to make.

Learn this if you wish to be taken seriously in the future

#58 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-15 07:38 PM | Reply

^ ...I have nothing credible...

#59 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-15 07:39 PM | Reply

I have nothing credible.
#59 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

You sure don't.

Refreshing to read some truth from you.

Keep it up.

#60 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-15 07:41 PM | Reply

"I have nothing credible.
#59 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

You sure don't.
Refreshing to read some truth from you.

#60 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

Seriously? Taking my quote out of context is all you have now? You've really descended this low?

Lying by taking quotes out of context says a lot more about me than you, of course. How can you not know this?

#61 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-15 07:48 PM | Reply

Sorry. You are too low of a lowlife to respond to, clownshack. Lying. Name calling. Assigning false positions. Condescension.

You really are trying hard to catch up with aborted monson, angrydad, cheifmoses, aren't you?

Congrats. You are giving them a run for their money

Later.

#62 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-15 07:50 PM | Reply

Any thoughts on how all this affects Iran's nuclear ambitions, RightOCenter?

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-15 07:50 PM | Reply

Goat,

He's jerking your chain.

#64 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-15 08:05 PM | Reply

"He's jerking your chain.

#64 | POSTED BY JEFFJ "

Probably.

Fish tacos for dinner here. Authentic with the sweet sour cabbage/slivered purple onions and avocadoes. I put my spin on it with a homemade chipotle mayonnaise. (as in from oil and eggs, not mayo mixed with chipotle). Corn tortillas, claro que si, not flour as most Mexicans thing we gringos all eat.

What about you?

#65 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-15 08:10 PM | Reply

What about you?

#65 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Pretty simple tonight. I pan-seared shrimp in the cast iron skillet that you got to know. Steamed broccoli and I steamed some cauliflower and boiled a potato with the skin on. I used the hand mixer to mash up the cauliflower. I pushed the potatoes through a ricer with the cauliflower and drizzled in some basil-infused olive oil and mixed the 2 starch and veggie briefly with the hand mixer. Of course everything was well-seasoned.

It's been simple all week. I had a 2 pound chuck roast in the deep freezer that I busted out on Monday. I ground it up and used half for "Nachos" on Monday and the other half for 3 burgers on Tuesday. Really happy with the burgers. I form them as loose as I can and texturally (and to an extent from a flavor standpoint) they are far superior to the dense hockey pucks you get when using tightly packed ground chuck at the grocery store.

(as in from oil and eggs, not mayo mixed with chipotle).

I don't like commercial mayo at all. I do like Miracle Whip, but it's not really mayo. I remember the first time I made mayo from scratch. I vowed that I would never use the commercial stuff. I LOVE homemade chipotle mayo for shrimp po-boys. I haven't made those in years. Going to have to remedy that very soon!

#66 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-15 08:23 PM | Reply

Fish tacos for dinner here.

Really? I figured you'd be feasting on the tears and despair of people thrown out on the streets.

#67 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-15 08:32 PM | Reply

"I figured you'd be feasting on the tears and despair of people thrown out on the streets.

#67 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

What do you think I'm cooking the fish in, idiot? Why spend money on salt when I can exploit these people?

#68 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-15 08:36 PM | Reply

#66 -- Yum! I cooked a pot roast my last night in Green Bay. Sis and bro in law loved it. I snuck parsnips in there not telling then what they were. Not being open to new things, I knew they'd say 'no'. But they ended up loving them.

I do like Miracle Whip,

I'm sorry. We can no longer be friends.

#69 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-15 08:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I shove about a whole head of garlic (as cloves and split cloves, of course) into a 2-3 lb pot roast. Then I sear the side with the garlic very quickly to shrink the holes so those babies don't pop out during cooking. I then sear the other side, of course. I put a whole onion, split in at first even though it is all but dissolved at the end of cooking, but it makes a nice gravy. I put a fresh one in the last 3o minutes with the rest of the veggies.

#70 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-15 08:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#70 oops FF was for #69

#71 | Posted by bruceaz at 2020-01-15 08:48 PM | Reply

I snuck parsnips in there...

Albino carrots! Nice.

#72 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-15 08:51 PM | Reply

Jeff, have you ever had the Mexican dish barbacoa? It is a chuck roast cooked much as a pot roast, but it is shredded like shredded pork. Then it is cooked again in a hot iron skillet or quickly broiled on one side so it is slightly crispy on that side. It of course has Mexican spices.

I don't know why, but it is hard to find on the weekend. Even a lot of mom pop restaurants put on their menue "barbacoa only on weekend". Why they don't make it during the week, I do not know. It's one of those cultural mysteries I have been telling myself for years I as going to get to the bottom of, Just haven't yet.

#73 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-15 08:53 PM | Reply

"Albino carrots! Nice."

Yes, but I like that slight tang they have that carrots don't. I also use carrots, though.

Parsnips pair very well with leg of lamb or even other cuts. I've made mashed parsnips (like mashed potatoes) as a side to a rack of lamb. It works quite well.

#74 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-15 08:54 PM | Reply

^mashed turnips go well with lamb, too. They're cheaper and have the delicious greens as well either with meal or for another day.

#75 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-15 08:55 PM | Reply

have you ever had the Mexican dish barbacoa?

I have, but with pork butt, not beef.

It's like BBQ in reverse. When smoking meat the first thing you try to do is develop bark and then let the meat slowly tenderize. With barbadoa, the meat is braised and tenderized first and then the Maillard is developed right at the end in a hot skillet.

That's a simplified contrast, of course.

#76 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-15 08:59 PM | Reply

#75 I do like turnips. When cooked through they develop a potato-like texture but they've got just a hint of bitterness that I really enjoy.

#77 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-15 09:00 PM | Reply

I've never had barbacoa made with pork. The closest thing to it is carne guisada (considering the 'reverse' cooking you described, Maillard in the end) which is always pork. However, it is generally cubed and not pulled. When I make it, I do shred it. I like shredded meat on tacos better than cubes. Both taste the same, of course.

A couple of years ago I hosted a bunch of Navy shipmates from all over the country and I made carne guisada. I do the Maillad in my grandmother's 22" cast iron. It was a big hit.

I stew it with sliced oranges, coriander (seed, not leaf aka cilantro), cumin and one or two whole dried ancho chilis before the second cooking.

#78 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-15 09:08 PM | Reply

Turnips are also good thrown in a pot of green beans with some country ham pieces.

#79 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2020-01-15 09:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- carne guisada

I just looked at some recipes for that...I'm going to try it for sure.

need good homemade tortillas

#80 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2020-01-15 09:32 PM | Reply

I'm pretty sure barbacoa is usually made with goat.

#81 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-15 09:32 PM | Reply

"I'm pretty sure barbacoa is usually made with goat.

#81 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

Nope. Beef.

Cabrito is the traditional Mexican dish made with goat -- a kid goat. And I have a great smoker for it. It is a tall shallow pyramid where I hang the whole (or half) goat for cooking.

Last time I did it was at my nieces wedding 3 years ago. It's not a dish you make unless you have a crowd. And I'm ------- good at it. I've made it from live animal to plate. First time ffreaked my wife out when I came home with two cute, quite alive, baby goats in the back of my truck.

#82 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-15 09:43 PM | Reply

"need good homemade tortillas

#80 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM "

They're hard to make at home. I keep trying, but have come to the conclusion that the local supermarkaet, HEB who makes them all day long in the bakery, have far superior tortillas. So I buy them there or at a mom and pop Mexican restaurant a couple of blocks from me. But even theirs are not as good as the HEB's.

#83 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-15 09:45 PM | Reply

Sheep, the carne guisada is good cooked with citrus, but don''t make the mistake I did. Key limes really suck. Oranges -- especially blood oranges -- work quite well.

That key lime experiment was such a disaster, I almost threw it out. Fortunately it was for family who forgive me for my occasional kitchen flop. If it had been for non-familial company (and it wouldn't have been -- I only experiment on family) I would have thrown it out and ordered out.

Side note: Godzilla by BOC now playing on google radio. I love that song.

#84 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-15 09:48 PM | Reply

Oh, no! There goes Tokyo. Go go Godzilla!

#85 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-15 09:49 PM | Reply

Cabrito is the traditional Mexican dish made with goat

Looks like we're both right.

In the U.S., barbacoa is often prepared with parts from the heads of cattle, such as the cheeks. In northern Mexico, it is also sometimes made from beef head, but more often it is prepared from goat meat (cabrito).

In contemporary Mexico, it generally refers to meats or whole sheep or whole goats slow-cooked over an open fire or, more traditionally, in a hole dug in the ground covered with agave (maguey) leaves, although the interpretation is loose, and in the present day (and in some cases) may refer to meat steamed until tender. This meat is known for its high fat content and strong flavor, often accompanied with onions and cilantro (coriander).

en.wikipedia.org

#86 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-15 09:51 PM | Reply

My son used to have a pet goat I bought him. We named him Cabrito. Once when some Mexican day laborers were doing some work for me I called the goat who was bothering them. They heard, "Cabrito!" and their eyes lit up. I think they thought I was going to slaughter the goat and make them something to eat. They got ham and cheese sandwiches instead, much to their disappointment.

#87 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-15 10:03 PM | Reply

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