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Wednesday, January 15, 2020

A transgender children's doll - believed to be the world's first - has gone on sale in Russia. The doll - pictured with a penis and wearing a dress - sparked debate after being spotted in a Siberian toyshop.

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#1 | Posted by Sekakai at 2020-01-15 01:58 PM | Reply

Wish I could unsee that.

#2 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-01-15 02:15 PM | Reply

SEEK HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#3 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-15 02:31 PM | Reply

Wish I could unsee that.

#2 | POSTED BY GONOLES92

I wish I'd seen your post before clicking the link.

#4 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-15 02:35 PM | Reply

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#5 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-15 02:36 PM | Reply

Why are you playing STS on this thread, Laura?

Do you believe the picture is photo-shopped?

#6 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-15 02:47 PM | Reply

Dolls have never been anatomically correct. What start now?

#7 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-01-15 02:57 PM | Reply

What's the issue on either side of the argument?

#8 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-01-15 03:40 PM | Reply

argument

#8 | POSTED BY Karen

Who is arguing.

The sad fccker who posted this does it all the time. He can't come to grips with the fact that trans people aren't going anywhere and that he is.

#9 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-01-15 04:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#9,

Actually, it's the trans community that pushing this crap as being "normal" and trying to force everyone else to go along with this insanity.

But I guess it sucks to have to be constantly reminded you are not a sex you want to be.

thefederalist.com

In a recent NBC News article titled, "For transgender men, pain of menstruation is more than just physical," Kenny Ethan Jones, a female-to-male transgender activist and model, detailed various contradictions between gender identity and sex in daily life. Describing the purchase of feminine hygiene products, Jones said, "Having a period already causes me a lot of gender dysphoria, but this dysphoria becomes heightened when I have to shop for a product that is labeled as women's health' and in most cases, is pretty and pink."

With this one sentence, Jones affirms that menstruating conflicts with her gender identity as a man. But later in the discussion, Jones argues that as the 2018 face of a U.K. menstruation ad, "People are still reluctant to [sic] the idea that it's not only women that experience periods."

Two more criteria for a gender dysphoria diagnosis include a strong desire to be treated as the other sex and a strong conviction that one has the typical feelings and reactions of the other sex. How would making menstruation products more widely available in men's restrooms accomplish the goal of effectively blending in as men? There is a conflicting set of goals at play: Transgender activists want to be treated exactly as the sex with which they identify while simultaneously demanding the rest of society change the entire concept of what men and women are to accommodate them.

#10 | Posted by boaz at 2020-01-15 07:06 PM | Reply

#10 | POSTED BY BOAZ

One fine day you'll be dead and gone.

The only people alive will be people who have lived in a world with trans people out in the open.

They're not going anywhere, you are.

Now post something else that no one will read.

#11 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-01-15 07:17 PM | Reply

Laura Mohr,

Serious question (hoping you pop back on this thread) - Within the transgender community what is the split between trans men and trans women?

Up until the past couple of years transgenderism (is that even a word?) just wasn't on my radar and I knew next-to-nothing about it. So, if I encountered a trans person I either didn't notice or just assumed the person was a cross-dresser.

I also think that because it is so in vogue right now that trans people are more comfortable being who they are whereas just a few years ago they might have been more inclined to try and hide it.

What I'm getting at is I've encountered a handful of trans people over the past couple of years and in each instance the person I encountered was a trans woman.

So, I was wondering if gender dysphoria disproportionately affects males over females based on my extremely small sample size, it would appear so, but anecdotal evidence is just that.

Anyhow, hopefully you see this post and respond.

#12 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-15 07:28 PM | Reply

Damn. Even Aldous Huxley couldn't have dreamed this up.

#13 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-15 07:57 PM | Reply

Remember the Gay Bob doll that came out in the '70s? This tops it.

assets.atlasobscura.com

#14 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-15 08:00 PM | Reply

"So, I was wondering if gender dysphoria disproportionately affects males over females based on my extremely small sample size, it would appear so, but anecdotal evidence is just that."

Could also be that boys are taught to be go-getters, so, they're more apt to transition.
This is not a thing you're going to be able to get good data on, which points to a "why." There's too many pieces in play.

That being said, I suspect most of the synthetic hormone analogues we've secreted into the food web over the past 75 years or so are estrogen analogues, not testosterone analogues.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-15 08:04 PM | Reply

Could also be that boys are taught to be go-getters, so, they're more apt to transition.
This is not a thing you're going to be able to get good data on, which points to a "why." There's too many pieces in play...

#15 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I hear you. Extrapolating the date into a "why" is tricky, especially since I don't get the sense that gender dysphoria is a condition that has been sufficiently studied.

#16 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-15 08:40 PM | Reply

date = data

#17 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-15 08:46 PM | Reply

For Boaz and Jeff. BTW I don't know the answer to your question.

www.psychologytoday.com

#18 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-15 09:27 PM | Reply

Thank you, Laura.

I'll check it out after getting some basement steps.

#19 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-15 10:30 PM | Reply

>in russia
Vlad, what are you doing?

#20 | Posted by berserkone at 2020-01-15 11:31 PM | Reply

I Bet Boazo and Jeffry bought at least a case of these each. Obsession.
I knew it was a Boazo thread before I clicked on it.

#21 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2020-01-16 12:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Actually, I just want the trans community to acknowledge that they are not biologically the sex they "want" to be.

Trans women are actually only gay men.
Trans men are actually only gay women.

These two statements are FACT.

I want them to admit that. Until they do, they are denying reality and living in a fantasy world they want the rest of the civilized world to participate in.

#22 | Posted by boaz at 2020-01-16 09:51 AM | Reply

You should see the California school sex manual for kindergartners: www.thenewamerican.com

Now that's child abuse. It had to have been written by pedos - ahem, 'minor attracted individuals'.

#23 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-01-16 12:12 PM | Reply

"Trans women are actually only gay men.
Trans men are actually only gay women.
These two statements are FACT."

More important FACT: Boaz is a pompous ass who thinks he knows what goes on inside other people's minds. Fact!

#24 | Posted by danni at 2020-01-16 12:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"#23 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT "

From your link:

In other words, more than a fourth of the state's boys do not accept the fact that they are male, and similar numbers of girls refuse to accept being female.

I would say California's sex education is a dismal failure if the most fundamental basics are not taught. "If you have a penis, you are a boy. If you have a vagina, you are a girl" should be on page one of any sex ed textbook.

#25 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-16 12:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

More important FACT: Boaz is a pompous ass who thinks he knows what goes on inside other people's minds. Fact!

POSTED BY DANNI AT 2020-01-16 12:15 PM | REPLY

Thank You Danni. Boaz is just so bloody ignorant of a lot of things.

#26 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-16 12:42 PM | Reply

www.psychologytoday.com

#18 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

That was an interesting and informative read. Thank you for sharing it.

#27 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-16 12:51 PM | Reply

40% of people who transition commit suicide because be the underlying psychological problem was never treated. 70% of the survivors transition back.

#28 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-01-16 01:00 PM | Reply

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!

Ha, it's just a doll with a penis. So don't go to friggin' Siberia if you're afraid of dolls I guess.

#29 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2020-01-16 01:50 PM | Reply

Sad thing is Boazo and Jeffry are jealous that the doll has a bigger weenus then they have.

#30 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2020-01-16 03:14 PM | Reply

"The only people alive will be people who have lived in a world with trans people out in the open."

Drag Queens have been around for quite a while.

The big different between them and the new crop or cross-deressers is that they never really seemed confused about who they were, they didn't care what other people thought, and they were pretty cool.

The new crop seems to be much more a bunch of passive aggressive losers desperate to be noticed by society.

#31 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-01-16 03:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trans women are actually only gay men.
Trans men are actually only gay women.
These two statements are FACT.

No, that's just you making up --------, Boaz.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-16 03:57 PM | Reply

"Sad thing is Boazo and Jeffry are jealous that the doll has a bigger weenus then they have.

#30 | POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON "

so you admit you check out other people's penises and compare their sizes.

It's not my cup of tea, but I fully support your right to do that. Enjoy!

#33 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-16 03:57 PM | Reply

"The big different between them and the new crop or cross-deressers is that they never really seemed confused about who they were, they didn't care what other people thought, and they were pretty cool."

Why limit this to trans millennials, when you clearly have the same disdain for all millennials...
And you're not even old. Aren't you like 48?

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-16 03:58 PM | Reply

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Series: LGBTQ America: A Theme Study of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, and ----- History
Sexual and Gender Diversity in Native America and the Pacific Islands

#35 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-16 04:08 PM | Reply

Looks like something Alex Jones would peddle for attention.

#36 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-01-16 04:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Remember the Gay Bob doll that came out in the '70s? This tops it.
assets.atlasobscura.com

#14 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2020-01-15 08:00 PM | FLAG:

"This tops it?"

Not necessarily. She might be a switch.

#37 | Posted by cbob at 2020-01-16 04:54 PM | Reply

"...Gay Bob doll...

"This tops it?"

I think Gay Bob was a bottom.

#38 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-16 05:12 PM | Reply

"Why limit this to trans millennials, when you clearly have the same disdain for all millennials..."

I don't know if it's just millennials. I think there are just as many older people caught up in the moment, trying to find their own bit of societal recognition. It's the times more than it is the people maybe.

"And you're not even old. Aren't you like 48?"

45. As of yesterday.

#39 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-01-17 01:01 AM | Reply

Happy birthday!

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-17 01:13 AM | Reply

"I think there are just as many older people caught up in the moment, trying to find their own bit of societal recognition."

Simpler just to put on the uniform?

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-17 01:14 AM | Reply

"Simpler just to put on the uniform?"

It is a uniform. Completely cosmetic.

#42 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-01-17 02:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

so you admit you check out other people's penises and compare their sizes.

It's not my cup of tea, but I fully support your right to do that. Enjoy!

#33 | POSTED BY SporkGoat

No this is the internet stupid, you can't see thru people's screens. There are studies that show if you are an (R)tard there is a 95% chance you have a tiny weenus. If you are an (R)tard and you obsess over trans people that number jumps to 99.5%

So tell the class SporkGoat, does the little trans dolly have a bigger manhood than you?

Nevermind, don't answer..... we can all figure it out.

#43 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2020-01-17 02:35 AM | Reply

Boaz that's not a fact. That's boiling down a complex issue of human embryo development, amounts and timing of hormones, Gene's, and chromosomes.

You'd be better off suggesting, and claiming fact, that men and women exist on a spectrum

MenWomen

And that trans men and women fall on that spectrum somewhere.

MenWomen

This would open up avenues to discuss trans in sports.

This is my opinion that this may be the way things are, and throwing it out for discussion and not calling it fact.

#44 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2020-01-17 07:13 AM | Reply

Well my wonderful asci art was removed
...

1st chart should be

"Men(-----------------------)Women"

2nd should be

"Men(---t.men--------------t.women---Women"

#45 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2020-01-17 07:20 AM | Reply

Still missing a

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#46 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2020-01-17 07:43 AM | Reply

#46,

I can sort of see what you are saying, Kw....BUT..

I think most of the time, we may be talking two things. I'm talking physically. Not mentally.

I have no doubt Laura wants to be a woman. I have no doubt Laura wants to live a woman's lifestyle and have experiences as a woman. Mentally, Laura may have convinced herself she is a woman.

For people like me, I see the truth behind it. Laura is just a gay man who has mastered feminine movements or actions. But that doesnt make Laura a woman. Laura will never be a woman, in my opinion. Laura will always be a gay man who plays woman to the extreme.

Boaz that's not a fact. That's boiling down a complex issue of human embryo development, amounts and timing of hormones, Gene's, and chromosomes.

There is no grey area. If you have a penis, you are a male. If you have a vagina, uterus and periods, you are a woman. You cant get around those FACTS. I cant believe you are denying those basic tenets. And please dont bring up the 0.0000001% of humans who are genetic defects with both --------, they dont count.

#47 | Posted by boaz at 2020-01-17 08:41 AM | Reply

I'm done. I gave you information over the years on being transgender. You either refused to read it or did and ignored it. Stick with ignorance. It suits you.

#48 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-17 09:03 AM | Reply

Putting the argument over gender dysphoria aside for a moment...

It's an outwardly male baby doll, wearing a dress. Extrapolating that out to a discussion of actual babies, the baby, were it a real human baby, would be too young to verbalize its gender. Why then would a parent then choose to dress the baby as a girl?

#49 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-01-17 10:01 AM | Reply

I'm done. I gave you information over the years on being transgender. You either refused to read it or did and ignored it. Stick with ignorance. It suits you.

I told you I'm not ignoring the obvious. You are and always will be a man. You either refuse to acknowledge it or choose to lie to yourself. You cant lie to me, I already know the truth. Stick to lying. It suits you.

#50 | Posted by boaz at 2020-01-17 01:57 PM | Reply

It's a J. Edgar Hoover doll, you dimwits.

#51 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-01-17 03:22 PM | Reply

I saw this thing yesterday. Why is the hair all banged up? They make it look like it is defective and I'm sure they'd want to stay away from that association at all costs.

#52 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2020-01-17 03:31 PM | Reply

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