Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Wednesday, January 15, 2020

Speaker Nancy Pelosi press release: On December 18th, the House of Representatives impeached the President of the United States. An impeachment that will last forever. On, since December 18th, there have been comments about when are we going to send the articles over? Well, we had hoped that the courtesy could be extended, that we would have seen what the process would be in the Senate. Short of that, that time has revealed many things since then. Time has been our friend in all of this, because it has yielded incriminating evidence, more truth into the public domain. Since we passed the articles, on December 20th, two days later, new emails showed that 91 minutes after Trump's phone call with President Zelensky, a top Office of Management and Budget aide asked the Department of Justice to hold off on the Ukraine aide. On December 29th, revelations emerged about the OMB Director and Acting Chief of Staff Mulvaney's role in the delay of the effort by lawyers in the Administration to justify the delay and the alarm, this is very important, that the alarm that the delay, time, caused within the Administration. On January 2nd, newly unredacted Pentagon emails, which the House subpoenaed and the President blocked, raised serious concerns by the Trump Administration officials, by Trump Administration officials, they were concerned about the legality of the President's hold on the aid to the Ukraine. On January 6th, former Trump National Security Advisor, John Bolton said he would comply with a subpoena to testify, and that he has new relevant information. On January 13th, reports emerged the Russian government hacked a Ukrainian gas company, Burisma, as part of their ongoing effort to influence U.S. elections to support, in support of President Trump. And just yesterday, the House committee, two of our Chairmen here, Chairman, Chairman Nadler of Judiciary, Chairman Schiff of Intelligence, Chairman Eliot Engel of Foreign Affairs and Chairwoman Maloney of Government Reform, they released new evidence pursuant to a House subpoena. Lev Parnas, you know who that is, an associate of Rudy Giuliani, that further proves the President was the central player in the scheme to pressure Ukraine for his own benefit in the 2020 election.

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Classy that she delivered them during a historic trade deal signing with China. It just makes the Dems look more rediculous than they already look.

#1 | Posted by fishpaw at 2020-01-15 04:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump is guilty. Everyone knows it. Nobody in the GOP cares. Welcome to America.

#2 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-01-15 04:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I wanted this to be transported in the Ark of the Covenant from the movie "Indiana Jones and the raiders of the list ark"

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If the Dems don't find the Ark of the Covenant, Trump is going to get reelected. Those are just the facts.

#3 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-01-15 04:24 PM | Reply

We've got Russian agents working with Dump and Shilliani and the Dotardians don't care.

#4 | Posted by kudzu at 2020-01-15 04:32 PM | Reply

Trump is guilty. Shilliani is guilty. Mc Connell is guilty. Lyndsey Lohan Graham is guilty.

#5 | Posted by kudzu at 2020-01-15 04:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Classy that she delivered them during a historic trade deal signing with China.

#1 | Posted by fishpaw

Trump was no doubt hoping to deflect form his humiliation.

#6 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-15 04:43 PM | Reply

Classy that she delivered them during a historic trade deal signing with China.

#1 | Posted by fishpaw

Impeachment is the most important thing Trump and the country are doing right now.

You bitched that it wasn't coming, now you bitch that it's here.

#7 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-15 04:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 4

I wanted this to be transported in the Ark of the Covenant from the movie "Indiana Jones and the raiders of the list ark"
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If the Dems don't find the Ark of the Covenant, Trump is going to get reelected. Those are just the facts.
#3 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

"We have top men working on it right now!"
"Who?"
"Top. Men."

#8 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-01-15 04:49 PM | Reply

No way to know how this will turn our, I know I'm on the edge of my seat.

#9 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-01-15 04:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

Americans are choosing which side they are on, Trump's side or America's side.

#10 | Posted by danni at 2020-01-15 05:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

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Of course Trump is guilty

#11 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2020-01-15 05:31 PM | Reply

It just makes the Dems look more rediculous than they already look.

#1 | Posted by fishpaw

Sure thing fishdicks.

#12 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-15 05:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

No way to know how this will turn our, I know I'm on the edge of my seat.

#9 | Posted by visitor_

Of course being the piece of schit you are you find it funny to joke about the impotent piles of schit in the GOP who'll brush this off as nothing.

Congrats, schitheap, you support a political party that's aiding an immoral, criminal DOTUS.

#13 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-15 05:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Not to worry. RoCheney has assured us of a fair trial in the Senate where honest, patriotic, Constitution-loving Republicans will hear all the witnesses and make a prudent, honorable decision based on the facts, because hey, they are just those kind of guys!

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2020-01-15 05:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Classy that she delivered them during a historic trade deal signing with China. It just makes the Dems look more rediculous than they already look.

#1 | POSTED BY FISHPAW AT 2020-01-15 04:11 PM | REPLY

You act like this isn't politics.. LOL did you really expect the Dems to lob softballs at the yellow snowflake? How old are you?

#15 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-01-15 06:05 PM | Reply

Donald J Trump is Impeached. Now and forever.

Nicely done. Abuse of Power and Obstruction of Congress.

Now let's see if the Senate can uphold the oaths they are are about to take.

And whether, since he cannot "settle" this and pay someone off like has all his life, Trump will bother to even put up a defense in his upcoming trial.

Regardless.

Impeached. Now and forever.

#16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-01-15 06:16 PM | Reply

#14

Glad to see I am still firmly ensconced in your encephalitic little head.

Too bad the Schiffshow ended up with what Political Scientists and Historians are even now calling the "thinnest impeachment case" ever presented to the Senate.

Your Team built that, congrats I guess.

#17 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-01-15 06:16 PM | Reply

Happy impeachment day!
Trump/Prison 2020

#18 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2020-01-15 06:17 PM | Reply

We will soon find out which senators are Russian or American for reals.

#19 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2020-01-15 06:19 PM | Reply

Impeachment with no crime. Dems have set the precedent on this one, it will become the new norm for each incoming President

#20 | Posted by Maverick at 2020-01-15 06:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Impeachment with no crime. Dems have set the precedent on this one, it will become the new norm for each incoming President

#20 | POSTED BY MAVERICK AT 2020-01-15 06:20 PM | FLAG:

The crimes are stated.. its up to the Senate to convict. Personally I think the Democrats screwed the pooch by blurring lines with RUSSIA! when obstruction of justice was the crime. There was just too much slinging of ---- and hoping something stuck when obstruction was right there.. Dragging out the Muller report all that time didn't help... It really did look like reaching and grabbing to me. All the while, all they had to do was sit back and wait.

#21 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-01-15 06:25 PM | Reply

The crimes are clearly stated. Just because you can't read doesn't mean they don't exist.

The trial will reveal more. Congratulations to all the traitors who continue to ally yourselves with Putin's puppet.

#22 | Posted by chuffy at 2020-01-15 06:30 PM | Reply

Obstruction of Justice was what dragged out the Mueller report, and little Donny's strategy to drag it out as long as he could was cut short by him doing something stupid again, and thinking it would just work out the same way as it did in 2016.

He got pwned. Every day, more info comes out. Every day, the story is backed by more evidence. There is no defense forthcoming, just damage control. Good luck with that. I'm sure all the righties here will lap up whatever garbage they hear from their compromised traitorous figureheads.

#23 | Posted by chuffy at 2020-01-15 06:35 PM | Reply

Impeachment with no crime. Dems have set the precedent on this one, it will become the new norm for each incoming President

#20 | POSTED BY Comrade Not a Maverick

You are dumber than a bag of hammers and or a Russian.
Remember your side impeached a president over a--------.
You and your kind are hypocrites.

#24 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2020-01-15 06:39 PM | Reply

#3 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

I should be able to help with that.

#25 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2020-01-15 06:48 PM | Reply

I'm sure all the righties here will lap up whatever garbage they hear from their compromised traitorous figureheads.

It's pretty sad how few Republicans are willing to admit Trump is a criminal POS. Trump existing is one thing; his 60MM+ sycophants is quite another.

#26 | Posted by JOE at 2020-01-15 06:49 PM | Reply

You are dumber than a bag of hammers and or a Russian.
Remember your side impeached a president over a--------.
You and your kind are hypocrites.

#24 | Posted by aborted_monson

Clinton was Politically Embarrassed because someone found out that he was getting a ------- in the oval office. He was Impeached because he was dumb enough to lie to Congress about it. Big F...ing difference. Personally, I thought he should have simply said "yeah I did it. You wish you could too". His stupidity was, as it always has been, his audacity.

#27 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2020-01-15 06:50 PM | Reply

Impeached. Now and forever.

Good bumper sticker.

#28 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-01-15 06:57 PM | Reply

Classy that she delivered them during a historic trade deal signing with China. It just makes the Dems look more rediculous than they already look.

#1 | POSTED BY FISHPAW AT 2020-01-15 04:11 PM | FLAG | PPPPFFFFFTTTTT

Skru-u ... republicl0wnery 101 says its all fair game. Look to republiclown government shut down while Obama was at an economic summit. It was the height of republiclown do nothing congress. Ironically it was over an objection to the Patient protection act.... you know that thing Trumplethinskin is promising to protect from the dems. Look for something challenging for your sanctimony. It doesn't get any stupider than republ8icl0wns.Why do you even waste bandwidth with that level of stupid Fishpi$$

#29 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2020-01-15 06:58 PM | Reply

Of course Trump is guilty

#11 | Posted by PunchyPossum

Yep, he is guilt. But then again, so was Clinton..Both of them.

#30 | Posted by boaz at 2020-01-15 07:00 PM | Reply

The crimes are clearly stated. Just because you can't read doesn't mean they don't exist.
The trial will reveal more. Congratulations to all the traitors who continue to ally yourselves with Putin's puppet.

#22 | POSTED BY CHUFFY AT 2020-01-15 06:30 PM | FLAG:

I will wait patiently for the evidence...

#31 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-01-15 07:01 PM | Reply

Of course Trump is guilty

#11 | Posted by PunchyPossum
Yep, he is guilt. But then again, so was Clinton..Both of them.

#30 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2020-01-15 07:00 PM | FLAG:

Oh dear heavens... Knock me over with a feather.

#32 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-01-15 07:02 PM | Reply

Yep, he is guilt. But then again, so was Clinton..Both of them.
#30 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Therefore, you're giving Trump a pass.
Because of the Clintons.
Two wrongs... three wrongs make a right.
#MAGA

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-15 07:06 PM | Reply

Boaz just said Trump is guilty? Lord I'm getting the vapours

#34 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-15 07:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"But then again, so was Clinton..Both of them."

Like it or not, this is how it will get spun. The right wing media will equate this to Bill Clinton's impeachment senate vote.

#35 | Posted by eberly at 2020-01-15 07:09 PM | Reply

R.O.C. using the" people are saying" defense to protect Trump.

Funny... around my neighborhood people are saying to string him up by his nuts( if any can be found)

#36 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2020-01-15 07:11 PM | Reply

#36

I am not defending Trump, he shht the bed on his call to Ukraine and deserves everything he gets. If Congress had done a methodical job in getting testimony and documents and focusing on both the Quid Pro Quo and obstruction of the Mueller Investigation, then the Senate would have to take this seriously.

Instead, the Majority rushed into the Shiffshow because they wanted to scream that Trump was impeached before the primaries started and all they will get for their "effort" is an acquittal in the Senate.

That, and a lousy bumper sticker that Redial can put on his Pacer.

#37 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-01-15 07:30 PM | Reply

That, and a lousy bumper sticker that Redial can put on his Pacer.

#37 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

He drives a Gremlin.

#38 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-15 07:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Actually, he lives in the frozen tundra and needs 4WD. He drives an AMC Eagle.

#39 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-15 07:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

" Lord I'm getting the vapours

#34 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR "

Quite sniffing your farts.

#40 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-15 07:44 PM | Reply

"I am not defending Trump, he shht the bed on his call to Ukraine and deserves everything he gets."

Your choice of phrase "---- the bed" rather than "violated his oath of office" is a defense of Trump in its own right.
Thanks for reading and understanding.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-15 07:48 PM | Reply

...then the Senate would have to take this seriously.

It's cute the way you pretend the Senate was ever going to take this seriously.

#42 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-01-15 07:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Judging by this thread the Russiapublicans got their talking points.

#43 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2020-01-15 07:59 PM | Reply

Aborted(which we wish had happened) a two year Mueller report. Read the crib notes or better yet, have someone read them to you. No collusion. You lost, get a candidate who is not a loser next time, and as far as you are concerned get a job. Under Trump you don't need to live off food stamps anymore.

#44 | Posted by fishpaw at 2020-01-15 08:10 PM | Reply

Boaz just said Trump is guilty? Lord I'm getting the vapours

#34 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2020-01-15 07:08 PM | FLAG: | FUNNY: 1

Hurry, someone get the salts.

#45 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-01-15 08:30 PM | Reply

I will wait patiently for the evidence...

#31 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

You mean the additional evidence, right? There's already plenty just in what we know already, and in what Drumpf and his boys have admitted publicly.

#46 | Posted by chuffy at 2020-01-15 08:32 PM | Reply

You mean the additional evidence, right? There's already plenty just in what we know already, and in what Drumpf and his boys have admitted publicly.

#46 | POSTED BY CHUFFY AT 2020-01-15 08:32 PM | FLAG:

NO, I mean all the evidence... I want to see the exact evidence just as I was a juror. I'm perfectly capable of convicting or not. I personally believe he's guilty of obstruction and extortion but I'd like to see every bit of evidence. Then, I will make up my mind.

#47 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-01-15 08:38 PM | Reply

How does this juicy impeachmentburger taste (R)tarded Russiapublicans?
Looks like y'all got some secret sauce stains on your "I'd rather be Russian, than Democrat" T-shirts.

#48 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2020-01-15 08:41 PM | Reply

#47

You better get to it. The Parnas evidence is already out.

#49 | Posted by chuffy at 2020-01-15 08:45 PM | Reply

Impeachment goes to Senate

He's been impeached by the HoR.

That's as far as this will go.

Senate Republicans have already acquitted him.

#50 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-15 08:46 PM | Reply

- the "thinnest impeachment case" ever presented to the Senate.

Typical Republican that RoCotton. The Leader of his Party Donald Trump throws out the first ever blanket order to keep his aides from telling the truth, and of course, that is the Dem's Fault(tm).

SO typical.

#51 | Posted by Corky at 2020-01-15 08:50 PM | Reply

Cork,

The House left SO many cards on the table. Politically, they realistically only have 1 true shot at impeachment. Had they been more patient and meticulous, the House could have easily presented a stronger case than this.

#52 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-15 08:55 PM | Reply

@lfthndthrds

In other words, you're "going to go through some things..."

#53 | Posted by chuffy at 2020-01-15 09:02 PM | Reply

Typical Republican that RoCotton.

#51 | POSTED BY CORKY

Pretty sure ROC is not Frank Cotton. If he was he'd just type "slap" and your head would whip around in a voodoo-doll like reaction.

#54 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-15 09:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@JEFFJ

The House can keep impeaching. Republicans will own everything that comes out over time. If they acquit and more crimes are revealed, which didn't happen to Clinton, and we all know that more crimes are going to come out, then they're on the hook for all of it.

Better to cut bait. At this point, they should be happy they're not being exposed too.

#55 | Posted by chuffy at 2020-01-15 09:09 PM | Reply

In other words, you're "going to go through some things..."

#53 | POSTED BY CHUFFY AT 2020-01-15 09:02 PM | FLAG:

No, In other words, I want to see a trial by evidence.. That's not so hard to understand, is it? I'd like to see everything brought against the man. I am perfectly capable of decreeing whats real or not. I'd do the same thing no matter what letter follows the name.

#56 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-01-15 09:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It was a joke. You're going to go though some things, like the evidence. You're not going to go through some things?

#57 | Posted by chuffy at 2020-01-15 09:22 PM | Reply

Typical Republican that RoCotton. The Leader of his Party Donald Trump throws out the first ever blanket order to keep his aides from telling the truth, and of course, that is the Dem's Fault(tm).
SO typical.
POSTED BY CORKY AT 2020-01-15 08:50 PM | REPLY

Frank Cotton came before him. Sorry.

#58 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-15 09:30 PM | Reply

It was a joke.

#57 | POSTED BY CHUFFY AT 2020-01-15 09:22 PM | FLAG:

decreeing = discerning ok I get what you're saying.

#59 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-01-15 09:35 PM | Reply

Had they been more patient and meticulous, the House could have easily presented a stronger case than this.

Waited...for the 5-4 (and potentially 6-3 very soon) Supreme Court to rule in Trump's favor or conveniently abstain from hearing political controversies if the lower court ruled his way?

Let's be honest, they got everything they could in light of an obstructionist Executive and you're pretending that's their fault.

It's funny to watch fake non-Trumpers lecturing Dems on process. Just admit you're a Trumper. It would probably be very liberating.

#60 | Posted by JOE at 2020-01-15 09:59 PM | Reply

Let's be honest, they got everything they could in light of an obstructionist Executive and you're pretending that's their fault.

No, they really didn't. Not even close.

#61 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-15 10:25 PM | Reply

The House can keep impeaching....

#55 | POSTED BY CHUFFY

Technically, of course they can. Politically, it's a fool's errand to run perpetual impeachment and it's short-sighted as hell.

#62 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-15 10:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

TOM Cotton, you dolts!

Why do I have to do all the thinking around here?

And Heffy... waiting for months, nay, maybe years maybe for court decisions and a rwing SC to OK impeachment when all Trump had to do is let HIS people tell the truth is a bit much to then blame the Dems for not having all the evidence that COULD easily be available.

That's just more BS from Republicans who try so hard not to look like moronic Trump supporters. Sorry, it's not werking.

#63 | Posted by Corky at 2020-01-15 10:58 PM | Reply

I don't feel sorry for Trump. Like Bill Clinton before him, he did this to himself.

#64 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-01-15 10:59 PM | Reply

#64. He really did, Gal.

#65 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-15 11:02 PM | Reply

#63

It may not be werking but so fat it appears to be working, Cork.

#66 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-15 11:06 PM | Reply

House paves way for new evidence in impeachment trial

Under the resolution passed today, impeachment managers have "broad authority to submit to the Senate any additional evidence the House may acquire on its own," according to Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.)

That authority was teased last night with the release of a tranche of records from Lev Parnas, including a letter from Rudy Giuliani requesting a meeting with Ukraine's president "as personal counsel to President Trump and with his knowledge and consent."
House Democrats are also continuing to litigate a subpoena for former White House counsel Don McGahn, whose testimony they believe could bolster allegations of a pattern of obstructive conduct by Trump.

Outside the halls of Congress, investigative reporting and freedom of information of requests by independent watchdogs continue to yield new records and connect missing dots in the Trump-Ukraine affair.


www.axios.com

#67 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-01-15 11:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Politically, it's a fool's errand to run perpetual impeachment and it's short-sighted as hell.

Says the guy who sides with the Party who investigated Whitewater for 7 years, Benghazi 8+ times, HRC's emails (exonerated, again), The Clinton Foundation (exonerated), Seth Rich, Vince Foster, Gary Condit...

It's really tiring being on the side of truth when people like you can't admit when you're wrong. There are no participation trophies in this round.

Good luck with your eventual grasp of reality. It won't be easy for you.

#68 | Posted by chuffy at 2020-01-15 11:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" 'Politically, it's a fool's errand to run perpetual impeachment and it's short-sighted as -----.'

Says the guy who sides with the Party who investigated Whitewater for 7 years, Benghazi 8+ times, HRC's emails (exonerated, again), The Clinton Foundation (exonerated), Seth Rich, Vince Foster, Gary Condit..."

Those were impeachments? Wow. I must not have been paying attention in history class.

*snark off*

Gotta love the desperation and blind party allegiance non-sequiturs these hyperpartisans come up with

Jeff's right whether you like it or not. Even a hyperpartisan should understand that. If you don't, well, chalk it up to yet another reason why Democrats are perpetually clutching defeat from the jaws of victory.

#69 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-16 12:08 AM | Reply

The Democrats have realized they have no chance beating Trump in this fall's election. They have said so. Impeachment on such flimsy grounds are a distraction. High crimes and misdemeanors? Clinton was convicted of felony crimes, yet it didn't seem to be enough to remove him from office. Not cooperating with congress is not a crime, if so, Obama did so six times.

#70 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-01-16 06:11 AM | Reply

Let's be honest, they got everything they could in light of an obstructionist Executive and you're pretending that's their fault.

No, they really didn't. Not even close.

#61 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Nonsense. If you're remotely honest you'll admit all they could get out of this was a spotlight on Trump's misdeeds.

The moment it hits the senate it will be wrapped up as quickly and as favorably for Trump as possible, not matter the gravity of what was uncovered.

#71 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-16 07:10 AM | Reply

#70 it's only flimsy to the willfully blind.
And what crimes was Clinton convicted of?

#72 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-16 07:11 AM | Reply

And what crimes was Clinton convicted of?

#72 | POSTED BY JPW

Perjury. He was slapped with a contempt of court charge. He had to pay in excess of $100,000k in court fines and was disbarred for 5 years,

#73 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-16 07:27 AM | Reply

If you're remotely honest you'll admit all they could get out of this was a spotlight on Trump's misdeeds...

#71 | POSTED BY JPW

That wasn't how I construed your earlier post.

Nothing prevented Democrats in the House from providing a comprehensive case for impeachment.

The Schiff show was mostly a disaster and now they are bringing a historically weak case for impeachment that has no chance of passing the Senate. And it follows the Mueller debacle and the IG report that exposed so-called "Deep State" shenanigans.

The House impeachment was rushed, it was lazy and it was 1-sided and hyper-partisan. SO much was left on the table and needlessly so. What's worse is the timing. The Democrat establishment wants Biden to be the nominee and a Senate trial knee-caps his biggest rivals - Warren and Sanders will be bogged down with impeachment hearings when they would otherwise be campaigning. The whole thing bears the optics of the DCC tilting the scales in favor of their preferred candidate, just like in '16.

#74 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-16 07:35 AM | Reply

Perjury. He was slapped with a contempt of court charge. He had to pay in excess of $100,000k in court fines and was disbarred for 5 years,

#73 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

He was impeached and acquitted for perjury.

Contempt of court is not a felony conviction, which is what doc said.

#75 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-16 07:45 AM | Reply

The Schiff show was mostly a disaster and now they are bringing a historically weak case for impeachment that has no chance of passing the Senate. And it follows the Mueller debacle and the IG report that exposed so-called "Deep State" shenanigans.

This is such a garbage pile of willfully ignorant idiocy I'm not even going to read the rest.

#76 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-16 07:46 AM | Reply

The House can keep impeaching....

#55 | POSTED BY CHUFFY

Technically, of course they can. Politically, it's a fool's errand to run perpetual impeachment and it's short-sighted as hell.

#62 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

It is short sighted to allow Humpy to believe he is above the law.

Impeached. Now and forever.

He is a criminal and should be removed from office. Failing that then impeach him again.

Let him be the first president to be impeached twice.

Do it until you get get it right. That is what my dad always said.

#77 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-01-16 09:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The Democrats have realized they have no chance beating Trump in this fall's election. They have said so."

Based on his actions with regard to Ukraine, Trump is the one who feared he would not be able to beat a potential candidate Joe Biden fair and square.

#78 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-01-16 10:01 AM | Reply

"What's worse is the timing. The Democrat establishment wants Biden to be the nominee and a Senate trial knee-caps his biggest rivals - Warren and Sanders will be bogged down with impeachment hearings when they would otherwise be campaigning. The whole thing bears the optics of the DCC tilting the scales in favor of their preferred candidate, just like in '16."

I don't see how the timing helps Biden. He'll be on the campaign trail, sure, but asked everyday about Hunter, Burisma and Shokin. Not exactly the topics he'll want to be addressing. Klobuchar won't be in Iowa either, so the person I think this helps the most is Mayor Pete.

#79 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-01-16 10:09 AM | Reply

Some folks on the left are saying that Maddow's interview with Parnas is a game changer:

www.msnbc.com

If his claims can be corroborated by other witnesses and documents, I think it could be.

#80 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-01-16 10:14 AM | Reply

"If his claims can be corroborated by other witnesses and documents,"

If. Until his claims are corroborated, many are warning: proceed with caution--

Lev Parnas, Creator of Echo Chambers

www.emptywheel.net

#81 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-01-16 10:48 AM | Reply

This is such a garbage pile of willfully ignorant idiocy I'm not even going to read the rest.

#76 | POSTED BY JPW

What a shocker. Can't take the heat.

#82 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-16 11:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sanders, Warren, Bennet, and Klobuchar have a conflict of interest on this as they are acting as jurors against their political rival. Maybe they can recuse themselves and keep campaigning. Otherwise, Pelosi's plan to make it a two horse race between Biden and Buttigieg (with dark horse Bloomberg lurking) would seem to have worked.

#83 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2020-01-16 11:51 AM | Reply

Those were impeachments? Wow. I must not have been paying attention in history class. Well, Whitewater led to the impeachment of Clinton, for something completely unrelated. I never said any of the other things were impeachments, but please continue to stuff straw into your argument.

*snark off* I didn't catch the snark. Ironically, all of the events that I mentioned happened long after I stopped taking classes in history. Keep going to class, you clearly need the help.

Gotta love the desperation and blind party allegiance non-sequiturs these hyperpartisans come up with Irony, again, lost on hyperpartisan trolls who fail to see how their retort bolsters my point. I'll help you out here: If HRC were president, the hyperpartisan Republicans would have started impeachment on day 1. Like, delivered subpoenas to her as she stepped off the podium after taking her oath. All of the investigations I mentioned were actual investigations that have happened - some of them led by the current POTUS's hand-picked investigators. Some of them were carried out by the last Republican Congress. An important thing to note is, yes, none of them resulted in impeachment (aside from Whitewater). In fact, I mentioned that in some of the cases, the defendant was exonerated. So, while we're talking about it now, the current investigations into the president HAVE resulted in impeachment. Despite unprecedented obstruction of the investigation, refusal to allow witnesses to testify, refusal to release documents...all of which will come out over time. The idea that continuing this investigation, when every time a new fact comes to light it makes the case against the president exponentially worse, is a fool's errand is laughable. Republicans are still chanting "lock her up" at rallies, even though every single investigation into her has come up empty. On the other hand, Drumpf has actively tried to prevent the truth from coming to light, because the truth is, he's guilty. Nobody who has evidence that they "did nothing wrong" refuses to come forward with the evidence. The fools in this case are anyone who believes Drumpf. Quite a lot of them here on the DR.

Jeff's right whether you like it or not. Even a hyperpartisan should understand that. If you don't, well, chalk it up to yet another reason why Democrats are perpetually clutching defeat from the jaws of victory. Meh, he has an opinion. His opinions have frequently proven to be wrong. It's really less about him being right, and more about trying to save face and present Democrats in a bad light. The time to join patriotic Americans in protecting our Republic has already passed...now it's going to be a perpetual effort to justify being a traitor. Not-liberals are incapable of accepting when they're wrong, I don't expect any of you to start now.

#84 | Posted by chuffy at 2020-01-16 01:16 PM | Reply

Can't take the heat.
#82 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

The heat of ignorance? Umm, ok.

#85 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-01-16 01:53 PM | Reply

#82 LOFL!

#86 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-16 02:27 PM | Reply

What a shocker. Can't take the heat.

POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2020-01-16 11:44 AM | REPLY

The heat of right wing dishonesty and stupidity??

#87 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-16 02:40 PM | Reply

#72 | Posted by jpw Perjury and suborning perjury. He was disbarred over his crimes.

#88 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-01-16 03:04 PM | Reply

He was impeached, not convicted.

He was disbarred because of a contempt of court charge, but technically resigned before being disbarred.

He was never convicted of any of the charges.

#89 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-16 03:20 PM | Reply

#82 LOFL!

#86 | POSTED BY JPW

I was speaking to the optics. Impeachment is a political remedy. With the Mueller report being a dud for collusion and then what the IG report exposed, the optics of impeachment on the heels of those 2 things aren't particularly good, in spite of Ukrainegate being an impeachable act.

Throw in Peloi's long delay and it takes on the appearance that her delay was at the behest of the DCC - the establishment candidate is Biden and Iowa is only 2 weeks away. This means that Sanders and Warren have 2 Sundays where they can campaign in Iowa (proceedings are Monday - Saturday) whereas Biden is unfettered.

So, questionable optics, a rushed, and 1-sided impeachment inquiry, an inexplicably long delay introducing articles to the Senate and a historically weak case for impeachment. What in the heck were they thinking?

#90 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-16 03:39 PM | Reply

What's pathetic is they left so much on the table. Why not introduce obstruction as laid out in the Meuller report?

From a political standpoint they realistically only have 1 shot at impeachment and this is what they came up with?

#91 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-16 03:41 PM | Reply

Hey Jeff... I had to keep this little gem...

I think a formal introduction of articles of impeachment is at most 50/50, based upon what has come out so far. I think the likelihood of a formal vote is 25/75 and an actual referral fo the Senate is 10/90. This is all based upon what has transpired thus far.

#17 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-11-19 11:35 PM

:)

#92 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2020-01-16 04:14 PM | Reply

Pelosi played it perfectly. By delaying the introduction of Articles to the Senate, she let the story unfold more, while Donny Small Hands was stewing in a mixture of rage, demetia and fear. She also managed to get Moscow Mitch to go from "We're going to just dismiss the case and if that fails, forget about witnesses" to where we are now. It's not her fault that Leningrad Lindsay, Moscow Mitch and the other members of Putin's American division very publicly stated that they would not be running a legitimate trial. But she used that stupid disclosure to put pressure on them over weeks while the right wing spun out of control trying to come up with any reason they could muster to rationalize and defend their treasonous behavior in this.

From a political standpoint, the Republicans have completely lost their leverage, which included the obstruction of justice points of the Mueller Report...they had a plan for how to defend all of that. They have literally nothing now, because the guy they're defending is guilty and everyone knows it.

#93 | Posted by chuffy at 2020-01-16 04:26 PM | Reply

And I was upset about how she handled the Mueller Report. I was, and still am, critical of how long it took her to get to this point. But I'm glad she did it her way now, because she is winning.

#94 | Posted by chuffy at 2020-01-16 04:28 PM | Reply

and a historically weak case for impeachment.

Oh God dude. If your goal is to make me laugh again you've succeeded.

#95 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-16 04:36 PM | Reply

"and a historically weak case for impeachment."

Ooh, "historically."
Please describe how it's weaker than history, I can't wait to hear this!

#96 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-16 04:38 PM | Reply

What's pathetic is they left so much on the table. Why not introduce obstruction as laid out in the Meuller report?

From a political standpoint they realistically only have 1 shot at impeachment and this is what they came up with?

#91 | Posted by JeffJ

I agree they could and should have brought more articles of impeachment.

I also understand that they don't want to come across as tossing the kitchen sink, but there was a LOT of room between what they brought and the kitchen sink.

#97 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-16 04:53 PM | Reply

Withholding appropriated funds from an ally who needs them, illegally, for personal political gain in order to gin up a conspiracy theory that aids a hostile power in undermining our elections is plenty. The case is solid. The evidence is solid. We don't need to end the Articles of Impeachment with the line, "We call it The Aristocrats!" in order for the very specific, very clear abuse of power and obstruction of Congress Articles to be enough. That albatross necklace might actually stick this time.

#98 | Posted by chuffy at 2020-01-16 05:29 PM | Reply

"The evidence is solid. The Prosecution rests."

Trump has been impeached. If acquitted, is he innocent of the crimes? That's what innocent people say after being tried. "I am innocent"

That is what will be said of Trump. He was acquitted. The prosecution failed to prove their case.

It's exactly what is said of Clinton. Acquitted. The prosecution failed to prove their case.

#99 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-01-16 07:44 PM | Reply

If acquitted, is he innocent of the crimes?
#99 | POSTED BY PETROUS AT 2020-01-16 07:44 PM | FLAG:

Not necessarily. you be the judge. but I imagine justice Roberts will be reeling turtle McConnell in from his outlandish claims of an acquittal prior to a trial. Trumps fate is the hands of people who likely don't want to go down in history of being liars. my hope is the president gets a fair trial and whatever that proves to the American public, well thats what it is. So mote it be.

#100 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-01-16 09:47 PM | Reply

Nancy timed this well, she has got three presidential candidates off the trail for the duration, much to the delight of Biden. Maybe Bernie won't play.
What is sad about Biden is that he has never been for the little guy, he faithfully served the credit card industry and big banks for 50 years, then has the nerve to say he has solutions? He never had one as a rep, or a senator or even VP. He was a back bencher, protecting the hands that fed his political fortunes. Then he blames a guy who has been in politics for three years? He needs to retire to Wilmington.

#101 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-01-17 12:02 AM | Reply

I am fine if the evidence shows he's innocent.

So far, he has prevented evidence from being presented, as innocent people always do. I would ask you if you will accept a "prosecution" that refuses to look at evidence, call witnesses, or focus on the actual charges in front of the president, as opposed to random conspiracy theories that are unrelated to the case.

If an acquittal occurs without a real trial, then no, I won't accept it. If there is evidence presented that he is innocent, then yes, I'll accept it.

Pretty simple stuff, really.

#102 | Posted by chuffy at 2020-01-17 12:17 AM | Reply

If an acquittal occurs without a real trial, then no, I won't accept it.

Might as well start getting used to it, because that has always been what was going to happen.

#103 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-01-17 12:37 AM | Reply

Yesterday I watched Sen. Grassley swearing in John Roberts. What a disgusting display on the part of Grassley, asking the Chief Justice to swear to be impartial when Grassley has already agreed to find Trump innocent regardless of the evidence. This "trial" won't settle guilt of innocence of Trump but it will settle if or if not Republicans' oaths are worth jack s**t.
IMHO, I already knew they were worthless but here's hoping that a few Republicans may wake up and smell the coffee too.

#104 | Posted by danni at 2020-01-17 10:11 AM | Reply

A little something to offset all this doom and gloom.

www.msn.com

#105 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-01-17 11:03 AM | Reply

102, Please Chuffy, tell the judge the defendant has to be proven innocent so you never get picked for a trial.

#106 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-01-17 12:36 PM | Reply

#102 - that's not even close to what he said.

#107 | Posted by YAV at 2020-01-17 01:46 PM | Reply

I think the question posed to me was that, if the evidence proves he's innocent, will I accept the results. And my answer is yes. I'm not a Repubican, so things like the Constitution and the truth still matter to me, despite my political opinions.

#108 | Posted by chuffy at 2020-01-17 03:29 PM | Reply

If witnesses are called in the Senate, Drumpf's presidency is over. If witnesses are NOT called in the Senate, McConnell's tenure will be over.

That kompromat must be pretty incredible...

#109 | Posted by chuffy at 2020-01-17 04:32 PM | Reply

#108 | Posted by chuffy You might want to review the 9th and 10th Amendments then. They are a part of that Document.

#110 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-01-17 07:34 PM | Reply

If the evidence proves he's innocent I will accept the results.

That's not how it works but I am sure everyone understands your point.

I do, but if you go into the trial believing this as a juror, you must be removed.

The prosecution must prove you are guilty.
In the case of removing a President, this must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt...in my opinion. I believe this action warrants it.

If there is any doubt, you must acquit.
The defense doesn't have to prove innocence and the defendant doesn't have to testify or put up a defense.

Everything I have read about defenses is, they almost never recommend the defendent take the stand. Dont say anything. Dont do anything. Why? Because anything you say or do may be used against you.

I have defended employees as a steward. I constantly reminded defendants...yes. no. Dont say or give more than you must. The ramblers lose. Take your counsel's advice

#111 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-01-18 11:11 AM | Reply

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