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Friday, January 17, 2020

A new Washington Post-Ipsos poll finds that 83% of African Americans across the country believe President Trump is a racist and he's exacerbated the country's race problems while in office.

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Fake News! ... according to ONN. (Oreo News Network)

#1 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2020-01-17 01:37 PM | Reply

Unfortunately, Way too many of them who responded that way in the survey won't show up to vote next time

#2 | Posted by eberly at 2020-01-17 01:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Funny how I tried to post an article showing almost 30% of blacks vote and will vote again for Trump, but it kept getting taken down, but a race baiting article like this one stays up.....

#3 | Posted by boaz at 2020-01-17 02:05 PM | Reply

#3 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Maybe because it's fake news? Only 8% of blacks voted for Trump in 2016 and support is still around that now.

#4 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2020-01-17 02:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

New Trump housing rule to increase discrimination against minorities, say advocates

A new proposed rule from the Trump Administration's Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) would make it significantly harder for families to fight housing policies and practices that restrict access to housing or perpetuate disparities for certain people.[1] The rule would dramatically change the standards by which a person or entity, including the federal government, can sue to end discriminatory housing practices through what is known as a "disparate impact" claim, thereby weakening the Fair Housing Act (FHA), a Civil-Rights-Era federal law protecting people who have historically experienced racism and discrimination that limit their housing options. The proposed changes would overwhelmingly tip the scales in favor of landlords and other defendants, letting them keep policies and practices that prevent people of color, women, families with children, people with disabilities, and others from having the fair access to housing that the FHA was intended to protect. This is in direct conflict with HUD's statutory obligation to affirmatively further fair housing.

www.yahoo.com

#5 | Posted by danni at 2020-01-17 06:45 PM | Reply

Washintontimes is fake news?

There's some evidence that the president's policies and campaign outreach are making inroads with black voters. Three polls in November showed Mr. Trump's job-approval rating among black voters in the 30% to 35% range, a significant increase over other surveys that have generally shown black voter support of less than 10%.

or the Wall Street Journal?

Asked to respond by InsideSources.com, former Hillary Clinton adviser Joel Payne said: "I have a better chance of jumping center for the Celtics tonight than Donald Trump having 30% support in the African-American community." He may get the call.

#6 | Posted by boaz at 2020-01-17 07:08 PM | Reply

Or how about Rassmusen?

www.rasmussenreports.com

#7 | Posted by boaz at 2020-01-17 07:12 PM | Reply

"Mr. Trump's job-approval rating among black voters in the 30% to 35% range..."

Job-approval ratings do not translate into voting percentages.

For example, would you like to wager whether or not Trump will get 30% of the black vote?

#8 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-01-17 07:32 PM | Reply

"almost 30% of blacks vote and will vote again for Trump"

It kinda sounds like you're saying, blacks who voted for Trump the first time, only 30% would do it again...

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-17 07:51 PM | Reply

"A majority of black Americans are more interested in voting in the 2020 presidential election than they were in 2016, according to a national survey of 1200 black voters and non-voters conducted by Third Way and the Joint Center."

"One cause for concern as the president touts a strong economy as core to his re-election message: Only 22% of black Americans said their personal financial situation has gotten better over the last two years."

www.axios.com

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-17 07:53 PM | Reply

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@#2 ... won't show up to vote next time ...

Or will have been removed from the rolls of eligible voters by Republicans.

Trump adviser: Expect more aggressive poll watching in 2020
apnews.com

...One of President Donald Trump's top reelection advisers told influential Republicans in swing state Wisconsin that the party has "traditionally" relied on voter suppression to compete in battleground states, according to an audio recording of a private event obtained by The Associated Press. ...

#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-01-17 09:14 PM | Reply

83% of African Americans Say Trump Is a Racist

Pretty sure the remaining 17% misunderstood the question.

#12 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-17 10:08 PM | Reply

The Moonie Times and GOP/Rasmussen?

Now we know how Pt. Boaz got this way.

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2020-01-17 11:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"an article showing almost 30% of blacks vote and will vote again for Trump"

That was an approval rating poll, not a "who will you vote for" poll. The two are not the same.

#14 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-01-17 11:45 PM | Reply

See, no worries and all those blacks will never vote for him - dem POTUS sure to come in 2020 ; )

#15 | Posted by MSgt at 2020-01-18 01:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

POLITICO:

Trump shocks black voters " by trying to get their votes

Trump received just 8 percent of the black vote in 2016, and his campaign aides concede he's never going to win more than a narrow slice of African American support.

And they'll be much more motivated to vote after 4 years of Trump's racism.

All but the Clayton Bigsbee's of the world will vote to boot Trump out of office.

#16 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-01-18 03:24 AM | Reply

(the last two sentences are mine)

#17 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-01-18 03:24 AM | Reply

#3 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Maybe because it's fake news? Only 8% of blacks voted for Trump in 2016 and support is still around that now.

#4 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar

That isn't what right wing sites are telling BOAZ. Obviously.

Biden is popular with the AA community (who hate Trump). Because Trump has increased racism and is highly unpopular in the AA community, turnout among that demographic should go up from 2016 levels.

But BOAZ lives in an alternate reality that peddles 'alternative facts.'

#18 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-01-18 10:13 AM | Reply

Trump was a hip hop icon until 2017.

#19 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-01-18 11:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Trump received just 8 percent of the black vote in 2016, and his campaign aides concede he's never going to win more than a narrow slice of African American support.

His support at the time was lower than today, in the 12% range....

Today its in the 20-30% range depending upon the poll.

While it doesn't equal voting, its certainly a trend.

My guess is a greater percentage of black votes will go to Trump in 2020, than 2016.

As Sitzkrieg points out he was really popular among African Americans, until the Leftwing smear machine without evidence got going.

#20 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-01-18 11:48 AM | Reply

What I see is African Americans saying is the following:

We put a Demcorat, African American in the WhiteHouse and nothing changed for us.
Supposed "angry racist white men" put Trump in the White House and things got better for us.
From prison reform, to jobs, Trump has delivered something to help us, if that is your definition of racism more please.

Or as I like to say, whats not to like.

#21 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-01-18 11:53 AM | Reply

Huh, 83% seems low.

#22 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2020-01-18 12:18 PM | Reply

Lets also say you are an African American, that exercises your 2nd amendment right peacefully in VA, to feel/keep family safe ...

Democrats want to take away your 2nd amendment rights...

And this is your governor?
twitter.com

But yeah, Trumps the racist....

#23 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-01-18 01:06 PM | Reply

#23 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

You act like you know more about African Americans than I do. And I've been an African American since 1947. My whole family, too. Actually they were African American for much longer. :->) You have made it clear you have no clue what African Americans actually care about. We are the "canaries in the coal mine". When bad stuff happens in this country it usually happens to us first. We knew in 1960 that Nixon was a crook, but did white people listen? Actually, back then there were still good Republicans. Many blacks in the professional and academic classes voted Republican until they nominated Goldwater and the Republican party decided to annex the Confederacy. Kennedy and Johnson gave us the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act. Republicans gave us the "War On Drugs" and locked up every black man in sight.

#24 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-01-18 04:18 PM | Reply

You act like you know more about African Americans than I do. And I've been an African American since 1947. My whole family, too. Actually they were African American for much longer. :->) You have made it clear you have no clue what African Americans actually care about. We are the "canaries in the coal mine". When bad stuff happens in this country it usually happens to us first. We knew in 1960 that Nixon was a crook, but did white people listen? Actually, back then there were still good Republicans. Many blacks in the professional and academic classes voted Republican until they nominated Goldwater and the Republican party decided to annex the Confederacy. Kennedy and Johnson gave us the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act. Republicans gave us the "War On Drugs" and locked up every black man in sight.
POSTED BY WHODAMAN AT 2020-01-18 04:18 PM | REPLY

What was you in 1946??

#25 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-18 04:24 PM | Reply

A fetus.

#26 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-01-18 04:39 PM | Reply

Correction: African American fetus.

#27 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-01-18 04:39 PM | Reply

You act like you know more about African Americans than I do.

I don't act like it, I read about it, I see people post their opinions on many forms of social media.

When bad stuff happens in this country it usually happens to us first.

So why would you not hold Democrats to task? Why do think they will make things better?

Kennedy and Johnson gave us the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act.

They also gave you the WarOnPoverty, abortion on demand, and the infamous "projects". Destroying African American families by any measure putting them back into poverty.

A Legacy of Liberalism. ~ Thomas Sowell
Despite the grand myth that black economic progress began or accelerated with the passage of the civil rights laws and "war on poverty" programs of the 1960s, the cold fact is that the poverty rate among blacks fell from 87 percent in 1940 to 47 percent by 1960. This was before any of those programs began.

Over the next 20 years, the poverty rate among blacks fell another 18 percentage points, compared to the 40-point drop in the previous 20 years. This was the continuation of a previous economic trend, at a slower rate of progress, not the economic grand deliverance proclaimed by liberals and self-serving black "leaders."
www.aei.org

#28 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-01-18 05:53 PM | Reply

Follow these on twitter... they expose the under current in the African American community, through their interactions; they aren't propaganda, the have opinions, and discussions about topics within the African American community.

Options Gang Karl
twitter.com

Black Guns Matter
twitter.com

#29 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-01-18 05:59 PM | Reply

Andrea saw a few black Trumpers on twitter so that means 30% of blacks will vote for Trump.

#30 | Posted by JOE at 2020-01-18 07:16 PM | Reply

I love it when white people tell black people what is good for us...

#31 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-01-18 07:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Name an opinion and you can find a black guy who agrees with it. Doesn't mean you can generalize it to other black people.

#32 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-01-18 07:40 PM | Reply

Why would anybody get the impression that the bloated orange schittstain who discriminated against black renters is a racist?

#33 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2020-01-18 07:41 PM | Reply

I love it when white people tell black people what is good for us...

#31 | POSTED BY WHODAMAN

Is that what i am doing? i offer fellow African Americans as examples.

I offer not FOLLOW ME, but learn of their pov..

Name an opinion and you can find a black guy who agrees with it. Doesn't mean you can generalize it to other black people.
#32 POSTED BY WHODAMAN

I am offering you to think for yourself, JOE is demainding you to agree with him.

What about the "projects"? You offer no critque? You don't think about it?

"Projects" offered by Democrats and JOE was GOOD for African Americans? By all statistical evidence is was a disaster. But you make up your own mind.

Again think ..

I offer nothing but a different viewpoint of fellow African Americans, condemn it if you have too ... but it just shows your close mindedness, not mine.

#34 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-01-18 07:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

JOE is demainding you to agree with him.

Show me where i "demanded" anything, you stupid ------- liar.

I laughed at you for pretending 3 twitter accounts means a damned thing with respect to 30% of black people. And i still am.

#35 | Posted by JOE at 2020-01-18 07:58 PM | Reply

Doesn't mean you can generalize it to other black people.
#32 | POSTED BY WHODAMAN

If you read my posts I obviously don't.

I say as a percentage there are some that believe XXXX.

#36 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-01-18 07:59 PM | Reply

83% of African Americans Say Trump Is a Racist

The other 17% are in the military and not allowed to answer the question or else face discipline.

#37 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-01-18 07:59 PM | Reply

Show me where i "demanded" anything, you stupid ------- liar.

you demand he does or he's an uncle tom... its clear..... JOE stop your racist diatribe.

WE all know what you mean.

#38 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-01-18 08:00 PM | Reply

Just you getting in the discussion JOE shows you don't believe he can speak for himself.

#39 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-01-18 08:01 PM | Reply

you demand he does or he's an uncle tom

Where? What post?

#40 | Posted by JOE at 2020-01-18 08:11 PM | Reply

Yeah but but but...they *pointe to three black people* LOVE TRUMP!

Clearly this is fake news!

-Col 999 bussed in rally guy

#41 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-18 09:46 PM | Reply

until the Leftwing smear machine without evidence got going.

#20 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

LOL god you're such a self unaware -------.

#42 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-18 09:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I say as a percentage there are some that believe XXXX.

#36 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

You mean you pull things from your ass to suit whatever you're trying to claim is true at that point in time?

#43 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-18 09:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Projects" offered by Democrats and JOE was GOOD for African Americans?

The problem with "projects" is that the people who live there are marginal in one way or another. The problem is what it always is, the people are treated as less deserving than those who don't need to live in the projects. The projects aren't great, but it is better than being homeless. But upkeep and security don't come free, or cheap. The people who live there still don't have any money.

The problem is that "conservatives" want to blame people for being poor and always seek to minimize any investment in their welfare. Because, as we all know, being born poor is a character flaw. The child should have picked better parents. Horatio Alger is a myth. Today in America, if you are born poor you will almost certainly die poor.

An American born to a household in the bottom 20% of earnings, for instance, only has a 7.8% chance of reaching the top 20% when they grow up. Americans surveyed thought the probability was 11.7%. www.economist.com

"Poor decisions" can't account for all of that unless you can explain why so many people who are born poor make "poor decisions" in the first place.

#44 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-01-18 11:49 PM | Reply

"87 percent in 1940 to 47 percent by 1960."

A 46% drop, but 1940 was during the depression. Nice cherry-pick by the authors.

"Over the next 20 years, the poverty rate among blacks fell another 18 percentage points"

From 47 to 29 is a drop of over 38%.

So...46% in the two decades after the depression, and 38% in the ensuing two decades. Not as huge a difference as some math morons would pretend.

#45 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-01-19 09:17 AM | Reply

83 percent seems low.

#46 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-01-19 09:24 AM | Reply

Do you believe all 83% of them?

How many of them did not show up to vote against him last time?

And won't show up to vote against him the next time?

#47 | Posted by eberly at 2020-01-19 09:38 AM | Reply

How many of them did not show up to vote against him last time?

About 5% less than white voters, and a good 10% more than asians and hispanics.
www.pewresearch.org

But you seem to be on a tear about black people not voting. Tell us how you really feel.

#48 | Posted by JOE at 2020-01-19 09:57 AM | Reply

Anyone can create a poll to indicate anything they want. Here outside a rustbelt city everyone who wants a job has one and lotsa people of all colors moving out "up the hill" to better housing/neighborhoods. Must be a terrible time when anyone who can be bothered to show up on time has a job and are getting suburb homes.

#49 | Posted by visiter at 2020-01-19 10:11 AM | Reply

- tell us how you really feel.

If you're too dumb to understand what I said and meant the first time, we'll......you're really dumb.

It's pretty sad that if you are black, you believe the president is a racist and then are too lazy to show up and vote against him.

I thought a pretty good case was made that trump was a racist when he ran the first time, yet black turnout was very low.

And since his election trump has attempted to insult or alienate people of color repeatedly and has managed to endear himself to racist and white nationalists groups.

So it's not surprising to me that 83% of blacks think he's a racist.

What IS surprising to me is that it won't appear to be that big a deal to people of color on Election Day.

#50 | Posted by eberly at 2020-01-19 01:47 PM | Reply


Several black pastors said...that President Trump had helped improve life in inner cities.

Bishop Harry Jackson:
I have talked to him eyeball to eyeball about race... And the guy whose eyes I have looked in is not a racist...a commitment to returning citizens from prison. And the overcriminalization of the black and Hispanic communities...

www.pbs.org

For decades Trump cultivated friendships with African Americans. He sued the city of Palm Beach for excluding African Americans and Jews from social clubs. He created the first high-end social club...that welcomed black persons as members. He supported Jesse Jackson's Rainbow/PUSH Coalition to pressure corporations to hire and promote black and minority employees. Trump supported the NAACP. He praised minorities working in his real estate projects. He made campaign contributions to political candidates who are African Americans and minorities. He made more contributions to an African American than to any white candidate. He also donated to charities affiliated with prominent African Americans.

www.newstandardpress.com

"Let me bring forth a friend who...is deceptive in his social style...one can miss his seriousness and his commitment for the success is beyond argument ... He has a sense of the curious and a will to make things better." Jesse Jackson was absolutely gushing with praise for Trump, whose work crews comprised a disproportionately high percentage of black and Hispanic builders...

www.americanthinker.com

Martin Luther King Jr.'s Niece Says Trump Absolutely Is Not' a Racist

"...the higher job market is helping African Americans. The criminal justice reform, helping African Americans."

atlantablackstar.com

www.newsweek.com

In 1999 Larry King asked Trump whether he had a vice presidential candidate in mind. "Oprah."

www.cbsnews.com

Donald Trump has appeared on Oprah multiple times...in 2015, Trump again suggested he might pick Winfrey as his presidential running mate...

www.businessinsider.com

FLASHBACK: Jesse Jackson Praises Donald Trump for Lifetime of Service' to Blacks

www.patheos.com

News reports during [Al] Sharpton's 2004 presidential run listed Trump as one of Sharpton's "mentors."

www.mediaite.com

Did Donald Trump Receive an Ellis Island Award in 1986?

www.snopes.com

#51 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2020-01-19 01:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The previous entry was some random cherry picking by yours truly. Just wanted to find some things that were a bit surprising to me...maybe to you as well.

#52 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2020-01-19 01:53 PM | Reply

#51

From the snopes article:

In 1986, Trump joined several other prominent Americans, such as Rosa Parks and Muhammad Ali, as recipients of an "Ellis Island Award."

One suspects if Trump was a racist, there's no way he would have posed for a photo with those two.


Is that how low the bar is for racism? Simply posing for a picture with other people clears all other actions, past or future?

#53 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-19 02:15 PM | Reply

#53

Is that how low the bar is for racism?

What, falling all over yourself for all things black? So unless someone is totally in the tank for black causes, they are a racist?

You ware what's wrong with white liberals today.

#51, just shows how far liberals will smear someone who in the past was not racist, but try to make them out to be one just for political gains.

There are many blacks, such as myself and others, who can think for themselves and see through the BS that is the Democrat/Liberal establishment.

#54 | Posted by boaz at 2020-01-19 04:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"It's pretty sad that if you are black, you believe the president is a racist and then are too lazy to show up and vote against him.

I thought a pretty good case was made that trump was a racist when he ran the first time, yet black turnout was very low."

Oh, I think I understand your confusion.

Racism is the norm, not the exception, Eberly.

Hope this helps.

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-19 04:28 PM | Reply

#51, just shows how far liberals will smear someone who in the past was not racist, but try to make them out to be one just for political gains.

Stop wearing your ignorance on your sleeves.

Information is available.


Donald Trump's long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2019.

www.vox.com

An Oral History of Trump's Bigotry

amp.theatlantic.com

#56 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-19 04:48 PM | Reply

Racism is the norm, not the exception, Eberly.

--------. It's only the norm for those who depend on it's existence.

#57 | Posted by boaz at 2020-01-19 04:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"--------. It's only the norm for those who depend on it's existence."

So that's why there are statues of Confederate generals doing all over the South.
The South depends on racism for their existence!

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-19 04:51 PM | Reply

But I like the idea in #51 that if your mouth can make and "Oprah" sound, then you can't be racist!

See how racism is the norm, Boaz?

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-19 04:53 PM | Reply

It's only the norm for those who depend on it's existence.
#57 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Are you denying the existence of racism, Boaz?

Not just white hoods and swastikas racism.

But, denying housing or employment based on race, racism.

#60 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-19 05:10 PM | Reply

As far as racism goes. America is lightyears more tolerant and accepting of race than other cultures. Especially in largest cities where people of different races have the opportunity to grown up together.

On a personal note. I was never taught about racism or that people might see each other differently due to race. It wasn't something I ever looked for or wondered about. My friends growning up were black, white, Argentinian, Mexican, Korean, Chinese. I literally never thought about us as races. They were all my friends. Their families were extremely warm and welcoming.

Racism is an idea that has to be perpetuated in order to exist.

#61 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-19 05:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"83% of African Americans Say Trump Is a Racist"

This is a better look for African Americans than when they thought OJ was innocent.

Do you agree, Boaz?

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-19 05:27 PM | Reply

Are you denying the existence of racism, Boaz?

Not just white hoods and swastikas racism.

But, denying housing or employment based on race, racism.

Does racism exist? Yes. It always will.

My point is to an extent, black americans can help destroy of the perceptions people have of our race by showing a more positive view of it.

I dont think racism is as widespread as liberal Democrats and black activists want you to believe. I think we are making more NEW racists everyday by banging on a false racism drum and convicting people when they werent racist in the first place.

#63 | Posted by boaz at 2020-01-19 05:40 PM | Reply

"83% of African Americans Say Trump Is a Racist"

This is a better look for African Americans than when they thought OJ was innocent.

Do you agree, Boaz?

#62 | Posted by snoofy

No, it's stupid actually. There's always going to be a part of the black community thats going to only accept everything black and blame everything other than black for every thing that ails the black community. They will never blame or criticize the black community, even if the evidence is self evident.

#64 | Posted by boaz at 2020-01-19 05:42 PM | Reply

"My point is to an extent, black americans can help destroy of the perceptions people have of our race by showing a more positive view of it."

So you're saying if blacks just stop sagging the pants, racist whites will view blacks a little better.

Why should blacks cater to the wishes of racists?
Why shouldn't it be the racists who need to change?

You've taken the black experience and made it completely subordinate to what whiees think about blacks.
This is why people say you're racist, Boaz.
Because of your racial expectations of blacks, but not of whites.

It's a white man's country, and blacks should try their darnedest to assimilate to the white man's expectations.

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-19 05:47 PM | Reply

"There's always going to be a part of the black community thats going to only accept everything black and blame everything other than black for every thing that ails the black community."

Are there more whites or blacks who are racist in this way?
Or... or... is this a uniquely bleak problem?

Man, the racism just drips off you. It's pretty impressive how you don't even notice it.

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-19 05:50 PM | Reply

I think we are making more NEW racists everyday

I agree. But I believe it's being created by a president who calls Mexicans criminals and rapists. Calls Muslims terrorists. Bans people from specific countries from coming here. Refers to other countries as shhtholes. Creates hysteria about refugees coming to America. Calls people chanting "Jews will not replace us", "fine people".

Same guy who spent 8 years trying to prove Obama was an illegitimate president.

He's a problem, Boaz.

He's making America more divided and angrier.

He's doing it all because his ego is incredibly fragile.

#67 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-19 06:04 PM | Reply

"I think we are making more NEW racists everyday"

"Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households."
Those other 80% of households have to blame someone!
In your case, Boaz, it's blacks.

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-19 06:07 PM | Reply

#65,

I dont know what to tell you. I cant even rational what you even said it sounds so stupid. To be honest, I dont speak stupid.

Why should blacks cater to the wishes of racists?
Why shouldn't it be the racists who need to change?

You are assuming they are racist to begin with.

The actual population to TRUE racists is probably very small.

#69 | Posted by boaz at 2020-01-19 06:14 PM | Reply

#67,

Well, I dont agree.

We all know there were and are criminals and rapists among those who cross our border illegally. A good majority of the country thought we did need to do something about possible Muslim terrorists coming here, I'm sure Europe wishes they did sometimes. There is a refugee crisis. We cannot take them all in, and we shouldnt.

Problem is for Democrats, Trump says what alot of people are thinking in their heads. You call it stupid. But it's what alot of people are thinking in their heads. That's why Trump is so popular and will win re-election again.

#70 | Posted by boaz at 2020-01-19 06:17 PM | Reply

So you're saying if blacks just stop sagging the pants

Actions matter, perceptions matter. You dont agree? You think it's ok for us blacks to look like that. To perpetuate a look born out of our prisons? Why dont you ever speak out against it?

#71 | Posted by boaz at 2020-01-19 06:22 PM | Reply

Trump says what a lot of people are thinking in their heads.


#70 | Posted by boaz at 2020-0

I figured that out when I realized Trumpism is a racist movement.

#72 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-19 07:12 PM | Reply

I thought racism was a bigger deal to people than it really is.

If we agree trump is such a racist then why do so many liberals stay home on Election Day?

Is it because the fact he is a racist just isn't that big of a deal?

#73 | Posted by eberly at 2020-01-19 07:14 PM | Reply

You're an African-American, BOAZ. This makes you interesting in regards to Trump. I'm reminded that there were Jews who voted for Hitler, when they were still allowed to vote.

In any case, your judgement is suspect until you concede that Trump, not Obama, is the narcissist.

#74 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-19 07:14 PM | Reply

If we agree trump is such a racist then why do so many liberals stay home on Election Day?

#73 | Posted by eberly at 2020-01-19 07:14 PM

Many people are lazy and disconnected. I'd say this includes virtually everyone who hated History in high school. It turned them off then and it turns them off now, even when they're mugged by it.

My solution? Mug them again.

#75 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-19 07:17 PM | Reply

Racism is an idea that has to be perpetuated in order to exist.
--Clownshack

I think you have a good point.
Morgan Freeman has said that a way to stop racism is to stop bringing it up.

I personally have found that everyday folk tend to be focused on work, on family, on creating some sort of a life for themselves and for the MOST part don't really give a hoot what race the person they are holding the door open for at their local convenient store.

I see people just being people when out and about. The true racists are the ones capturing the media attention.

Point of interest: for the last three years I have actually been striking up conversations with random black folks at various places. Gas stations, restaurants, various types of neighborhoods including "in the hood." It has been a personal project of mine. I tend to kick off with some sort of joke and then shift gears into making a statement something like this,"I know there ARE problems still but for the MOST part we tend to all get along today." I, of course being white, had just cracked a somewhat politcally incorrect joke which catches them off guard (and gets us to laugh our collective asses off.)

What is interesting is that so far I have yet have anyone disagree. There was a college student who had to think about it. But many of the African Americans I say that to will THEMSELVES tell me FLAT OUT that they are sick and tired of the media making it seem like were are still in the Civil War. Everyone has agreed that people are people and that we are not living in the days of separate bathrooms etc. We acknowledge there are still problems but so far, everyone I personally have spoken with simply says they are tired of the media portraying so many things under a racist light.

If there is time we talk a bit more about people are people. That our blood flows the same color.

#76 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2020-01-19 07:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Well, I dont agree.

Of course you don't.

We all know there were and are criminals and rapists among those who cross our border illegally.

So what? There's criminals and rapists born and living right here in America. Trump calling Mexicans and immigrants criminals and rapists fuels racism, distrust, anger and hate. It serves no purpose other than to create xenophobia.

A good majority of the country thought we did need to do something about possible Muslim terrorists coming here,

Let's try using some facts and not your gut feeling.

Citation necessary. The majority of Americans didn't want Trump to be our President and don't support his xenophobia.

If you can't acknowledge reality there's no point in this discussion.

I'm sure Europe wishes they did sometimes.

I'm sure Europe wishes we hadn't spent the past twenty years blowing up the Middle East causing a massive waves of refugees fleeing for their safety.

There is a refugee crisis.

Thanks to us and our War of Terror!

We cannot take them all in, and we shouldnt.

Why should we responsible for the fallout of our actions.

Republicans were never good with the whole personal responsibility thing.

Problem is for Democrats,

Oh yea? Do tell.

Trump says what alot of people are thinking in their heads.

Don't confuse me, or anyone else. For you. You don't speak for anyone but yourself. And trump has never, once represented the majority of Americans, ever. He barely represents the majority of Republicans.

You call it stupid.

I don't have to call it anything. It is what it is. Plus. Nothing you posted refuted anything I wrote. I am calling you stupid. But we both know you are. So that's nothing new.

But it's what alot of people are thinking in their heads.

Again. You don't know what anyone else is thinking. Stop pretending you represent anyone but yourself. The majority of Americans disapprove of Trump.

That's why Trump is so popular and will win re-election again.
#70 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Do you know what the definition of the word "popular" is?

Trump's only hope of another win is through voter suppression and manipulation of the Electoral college.

That's it.

#77 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-19 07:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Trump's only hope of another win is through voter suppression and manipulation of the Electoral college.

That's it.

#77 | Posted by ClownShack at 2

Wise men will expect both.

#78 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-19 07:39 PM | Reply

Clownshack, curious what you think about #76.

#79 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2020-01-19 07:43 PM | Reply

#79,

Your comment is spot on.

#80 | Posted by boaz at 2020-01-19 07:55 PM | Reply

I'm reminded that there were Jews who voted for Hitler, when they were still allowed to vote.

Really stupid comparison as we are not living in times like that. No one is oppressing blacks or threatening to. We are not in the 40's and 50's with separate bathrooms and eateries.

#81 | Posted by boaz at 2020-01-19 07:57 PM | Reply

Racism is a factor whether people talk about it or not. It is reflected in people's choices, actions and unconscious pre-dispositions at all times. Simply saying, 'well I'm not gonna bring the topic up', does not make it magically not exist. We all know this. Whether we realize it or not, we all experience a hundred of examples of racism in decisions we make and see others make everyday. Most people, though, just are blind to it, or lie to themselves as to the reality.

#82 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-01-19 08:07 PM | Reply

So Moder8?

That doesnt mean it's affecting anything. We need to stop giving racism the power it has. It needs to fade from the national memory. Which means we need to stop looking for it and we need to stop being on race watch. That's the only way it's going to go away.

#83 | Posted by boaz at 2020-01-19 08:35 PM | Reply

Racism is a factor whether people talk about it or not. It is reflected in people's choices, actions and unconscious pre-dispositions at all times.

#82 | POSTED BY MODER8

That doesnt mean it's affecting anything.

#83 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Boaz, I grow tired of always pointing out how stupid you are. And then I feel bad about it as if I am picking on you or something like that. But for God's sake man, do you ever stop and think about what you are writing?

#84 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-01-19 08:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You are a liberal Moder8. Your identity depends on racism existing. Mine doesnt.

I know it's a hard thing for you to understand. But know that not all blacks are held back by racism. Some of us do ignore it and it doesnt affect us. Some of us are performance based and we act like it.

#85 | Posted by boaz at 2020-01-19 08:54 PM | Reply

Clownshack, curious what you think about #76.
#79 | POSTED BY IDEPENDANT97

I agree with Morgan Freeman's quote. If by "stop bring it up", he means "stop teaching it."

An ideal society can ignore racism and not expect it to surface.

In current day America, you can't ignore racism. It exists, to the detriment of many.

The best cure for racism is to grow up in a diverse community and experience the fact that all humans are the same, regardless of race, gender, sexuality, gender identification.

Your anecdote is one which I recommend. Go out and talk to other people. Get to know other people. People different from you.

#86 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-19 09:17 PM | Reply

The key to stopping racism is to ignore it? If only MLK was as enlightened as Boaz we could've overcome decades ago.

#87 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2020-01-19 09:36 PM | Reply

...we are not living in the days of separate bathrooms etc.

Thanks Liberalism!

We acknowledge there are still problems but so far...
#76 | POSTED BY IDEPENDANT97

Conservatives don't, see the posts above.

#88 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-01-19 09:38 PM | Reply

The people who should stop talking about race are the racists when they're talking about their racist ideas.

#89 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-01-19 09:43 PM | Reply

The key to stopping racism is to ignore it? If only MLK was as enlightened as Boaz we could've overcome decades ago.

POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT AT 2020-01-19 09:36 PM | REPLY

Boaz is dumber than a ball ---- in a toilet tank.

#90 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-19 09:45 PM | Reply

"Boaz is dumber than a ball ---- in a toilet tank.

#90 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR "

Profound. Aren't you proggies so proud to have this genius on your side?
I'm sure the righties are. He's a perfect encapsulation of the left with his sub moronic remarks.

#91 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-19 09:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

93% and 95% of blacks voted for Obama.

When was the last time these percentages of a race voted for a particular candidate?

#92 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-01-19 10:11 PM | Reply

The best cure for racism is to grow up in a diverse community and experience the fact that all humans are the same, regardless of race, gender, sexuality, gender identification.

I dont agree and that doesnt make me a racist.

In order for racism to go away, everyone has to be of the same accord, the same culture and working toward the same goals. You keep up this "diverse" stuff, we will be nothing more than tribes, which is what exactly is happening.

#93 | Posted by boaz at 2020-01-19 10:27 PM | Reply

In order for racism to go away, everyone has to be of the same accord, the same culture and working toward the same goals. You keep up this "diverse" stuff, we will be nothing more than tribes, which is what exactly is happening.

POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2020-01-19 10:27 PM | REPLY

America's strength comes from our diverse make ups and backgrounds. What you are asking for is a cult like mentality where you are programmed to think act feel the same and that's what they do in places like North Korea. People like you are of small minds because you find comfort in that. It takes no intellectual energy that way.

#94 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-19 10:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I think we can be of different cultural backgrounds and differing ideas. We can recognize strength comes from our differences and also realize we have more in common than we know.

I also believe...firmly....that there are good and decent folks who identify as conservative and liberal. When you get past the name calling and the red state versus blue state allegiances and also get past having the fringe elements define any particular group, you can find that most people are decent, even the ones who disagree with you.

Shutting out others because they disagree does not further growth. When we at least honestly listen to others and honestly share ideas, each of us can grow even more in our personal beliefs or maybe even change them.

It is one of the cool things about living in a melting pot of a country. When you think about how homogeneous many countries are, it IS amazing that our melting pot works at all. Of course we have problems. Melting pots shouldn't work.

But we grow. Women can vote. Slavery is abolished. These things happened in spite of our melting pot society. Because we were able to grow.

Growth involves pain. We still have a lot of growing to do. That much is sure.

Now, do we want to grow while bashing each other or working together in spite of our differences?

#95 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2020-01-19 11:06 PM | Reply

I dont agree

Based on the rest of your post, it sounds like you're disagreeing simply to disagree.

I grew up in a diverse community. We didn't have to be trained to get along. We just did.

We were friends and didn't take the time to care who was what race. We all enjoyed each other's friendship. There were no conditions necessary.

#96 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-19 11:08 PM | Reply

93% and 95% of blacks voted for Obama.
When was the last time these percentages of a race voted for a particular candidate?

#92 | POSTED BY PETROUS

All the time

Blacks vote for Democrats because -look at the Republican/"conservative" comments above.

Hillary got 89% of the black vote.
Al Gore got 90% of the black vote.
Bill Clinton got 83% in 1992.
Bill Clinton got 84% in 1996.
Dukakis got 89% in 1988.
Mondale got 91% in 1984.
Carter in 1980 - 83%.
Carter in 1976 - 83%.

Is that racist?

I think you can see the point. Obama got a few % points more, but that's all. Blacks are practical voters who vote for policies more than personalities. Republican/"conservative" policies regarding racial inequality suck. They also want to vote for a winner, which is why Obama didn't have the support of the majority of black voters until he won in Iowa, proving that white people would vote for him since we know blacks can't elect a president without a whole lot of white voters.

#97 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-01-20 12:31 AM | Reply

"Actions matter, perceptions matter. You dont agree? You think it's ok for us blacks to look like that. To perpetuate a look born out of our prisons? Why dont you ever speak out against it?
#71 | POSTED BY BOAZ"

It's okay for blacks to look however they damn well please, Boaz. That's called liberty. Iraqis killed your friends so blacks could have it, remember?

But maybe, just maybe, if you don't think blacks should be able to dress however they please, is it also possible you don't think they should be allowed to have guns, since they commit so much of the gun violence in this country?

"In order for racism to go away, everyone has to be of the same accord, the same culture and working toward the same goals. You keep up this "diverse" stuff, we will be nothing more than tribes, which is what exactly is happening.
#93 | POSTED BY BOAZ"

You're saying ethnic cleansing will make racism go away... But the opposite is true. Why would a monoculture be any less racist? Was Nazi Germany less racist, since they were of the same accord, the same culture and working toward the same goals?

#98 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-20 02:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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