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Economist Joseph Stiglitz: It is becoming conventional wisdom that US President Donald Trump will be tough to beat in November, because, whatever reservations about him voters may have, he has been good for the American economy. Nothing could be further from the truth.

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#1 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2020-01-18 02:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It stinks that there are so many jobs and there is no excuse for otherwise useless eaters to find work. They'd rather stay home collect welfare and play video games.

#2 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-01-18 06:04 PM | Reply

"Trump's Economy Is A Disaster For People And The Planet"

Is this the original headline of this thread? Has the OP changed his ways, or did he forget which account he was logged in under?

Anyway, the article seems to have a number of dubious premises. Economic prosperity doesn't necessarily lead to increased happiness or mitigate other problems that were already on an upward trend due to non-economic causes. Also, it's citing data from "2017 (the most recent year for which good data are available)". It's just as ridiculous to call Trump's first year in office Trump's economy as it was to call 2009 Obama's economy.

#3 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-01-18 06:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Not for me or two of my children who own their own businesses.

Not for my in-laws.

Not for anyone I have spoken with in our neighborhood.

But you all continue to live in your doom and gloom world.

I will be healthy and happy in mine.

#4 | Posted by sawdust at 2020-01-18 07:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Economist Joseph Stiglitz

Who? An Economist? Ok ....

#5 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-01-18 08:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#4 oh well your cognitive bias within your bubble says everything is fine so that sells it for me!

#6 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-18 09:21 PM | Reply

#5

en.m.wikipedia.org

But since he doesn't support your cognitive bias he must be a nobody!

#7 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-18 10:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#2 | POSTED BY VISITOR_ AT 2020-01-18 06:04 PM | FLAG: Agree somewhat, but also consider that many of those individuals out there are unqualified for many of those jobs, thus the drive to demand higher minimum wage even if their labor is not worth it.

't the end of January, the US economy had 7.6 million unfilled jobs, but only 6.5 million people were looking for work, according to data released Friday by the US Department of Labor.Mar 18, 2019'
www.vox.com labor-shortage-workers-us
Labor shortage: The US doesn't have enough workers to fill ...

#8 | Posted by MSgt at 2020-01-18 11:00 PM | Reply

Ok let's try something that makes more sense than counting jobs. Let's only count jobs that can support the worker. Stop counting 32 hours at $8/hr over 6 days with random schedules that prohibit getting a second job or education.

#9 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2020-01-19 05:11 AM | Reply

#9 but then profits would drop and Repubs would be forced to declare the economy is failing!

#10 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-19 08:34 AM | Reply

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-Ok let's try something that makes more sense than counting jobs.

I see your point but the reason we count anything is to make comparisons.

Historical comparisons

My profession and what I'm exposed to every day prevents me from having a lot of sympathy for people making eight dollars an hour working 32 hours a week with no benefits

There are so many jobs out there that pay $18 an hour+ with benefits overtime etc. all of these people out there who have these ------ jobs could easily upgrade to one of the jobs I just referenced

But they won't. Upgrading to a better job comes with it a set of conditions they are unwilling to meet.

Show up on time, sober, keep a drivers license, and grow up to be an adult who can solve problems and be reliable.

They won't do that.

#11 | Posted by eberly at 2020-01-19 09:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

--Show up on time, sober, keep a drivers license, and grow up to be an adult who can solve problems and be reliable.

That doesn't sound very inclusive.

#12 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-01-19 10:01 AM | Reply

There are so many jobs out there that pay $18 an hour+ with benefits overtime etc. all of these people out there who have these ------ jobs could easily upgrade to one of the jobs I just referenced

All of them?

You either misspoke, or are extremely ignorant.

#13 | Posted by JOE at 2020-01-19 10:02 AM | Reply

--There are so many jobs out there that pay $18 an hour+ with benefits overtime etc.

High-Paying Trade Jobs Sit Empty, While High School Grads Line Up For University

www.npr.org

#14 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-01-19 10:04 AM | Reply

The fact we are running great recession era deficits during this "economic boom" should be a huge red flag to anyone.

#15 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2020-01-19 11:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The fact we are running great recession era deficits during this "economic boom" should be a huge red flag to anyone.

#15 | POSTED BY GALAXIEPETE

Agreed, Pete. No excuse for deficit spending with this economy.

#16 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-19 11:46 AM | Reply

No excuse for deficit spending with this economy.

There hasn't been an economy since the 40's, where the yearly Treasury statement that wasn't in the red. Even the supposed "good times" the deficit was backfilled with SS intergovernmental loans.

Hence my argument, spend all you want, just don't tax me for it, there is no stopping this freight train.

#17 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-01-19 12:07 PM | Reply

there is no stopping this freight train.

#17 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

I agree. Neither party has shown any kind of stomach to rein in spending, especially where it's critically needed - Medicare + Medicaid + Social Security. I will fully oppose any new major spending programs - single payer, public option, free college, etc. until our current spending is properly funded, which will need to be a combination of spending cuts and tax increases.

#18 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-19 12:12 PM | Reply

" I will fully oppose any new major spending programs - single payer, public option, free college, etc. until our current spending is properly funded, which will need to be a combination of spending cuts and tax increases."

STFU. You were dead silent when the folks you vote for passed a tax bill borrowing an additional 10% of all the debt we've rung up since 1776.

Not. One. F^^king. Peep, when it actually mattered. Shove your fake concern up your assss.

#19 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-01-19 12:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

PIss off, Donkey Suit Dan.

Your nose is so far up the arse of the DNC that it looks like a DNC tapeworm.

#20 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-19 12:47 PM | Reply

Your faux self-righteousness is really a bad look, Danforth.

#21 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-19 12:50 PM | Reply

Remember when Jeff expressed his concern about all that additional borrowing? NO ONE ELSE DOES EITHER.

Now, when he gets called out, all he has is projection , in the form of projectile vomit.

#22 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-01-19 12:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Remember when Jeff expressed his concern about all that additional borrowing? NO ONE ELSE DOES EITHER.

I ripped Bush and the GOP for their reckless fiscal policy. If Democrats actually proposed any kind of fiscal sanity I'd gladly vote for them in spite of their toxic identity politics and other BS. But, what are we getting from leading Dem candidates for POTUS?

Hmmm...let's see....Tens of trillions in new spending on Green energy fantasies, reparations, Medicare for All (Biden being the lone exception on this), free college, college loan forgiveness.... Remember when Danforth expressed his concern about all of this proposed new spending? NO ONE ELSE DOES EITHER.

Also, I've said numerous times that if the election were tomorrow and Biden were the nominee, I'd vote for him.

Heck, you wouldn't vote for a reincarnated Lincoln, Washington or Ike unless they had a (D) after their name.

#23 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-19 01:02 PM | Reply

"I ripped Bush and the GOP for their reckless fiscal policy"

And then voted for the folks who promised to make it worse. GFY and your fake concern, which only raises its ugly head when someone wants to help humans over corporations.

Remember how you were worried about how we'd pay for more tax cuts for the wealthiest? No one else does either. Not. One. Peep.

#24 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-01-19 01:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The only one with fake concern is you.

The party you blindly support wants 10's of trillions in new spending with no effort for paying for it, much less addressing existing deficits.

Yet, you'll vote for them no matter what.

#25 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-19 01:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It is hilarious to watch one of the biggest hyper-partisans on this site try and call out non-existent partisanship.

But, that's Danforth for ya. The lack of self-awareness is hilarious, in a pathetic almost pitiable sort of way.

#26 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-19 01:17 PM | Reply

The party you blindly support wants 10's of trillions in new spending with no effort for paying for it, much less addressing existing deficits.

News flash Jeff.

Republicans flush money down the toilet faster that the water in the tank can fill back up.

Between never ending wars. Tax cuts for the rich. Subsidies for the rich. Expanding spending on the MIC. Lousy deals like Foxconn. Etc etc etc...

The money is there. America and Americans are worth it.

#27 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-19 01:20 PM | Reply

It is hilarious to watch one of the biggest hyper-partisans on this site try and call out non-existent partisanship.
#26 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

I'd ask you to gain some self awareness. But you're content believing your extreme rightwing views are somehow nonpartisan.

#28 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-19 01:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The party you blindly support wants 10's of trillions in new spending with no effort for paying for it, much less addressing existing deficits.
Yet, you'll vote for them no matter what.

POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2020-01-19 01:16 PM | REPLY

Says the guy who championed

Tax cuts for the wealthy
Unlimited Trillions on wars
Corporate welfare in the form of the MIC
Etc etc etc.

#29 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-19 01:25 PM | Reply

--The party you blindly support wants 10's of trillions in new spending with no effort for paying for it, much less addressing existing deficits. "

The cost of Sanders' agenda -- possibly $60 trillion -- would set a peacetime US record
www.cnn.com

Yeah, but we will make it up in volume!

#30 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-01-19 01:27 PM | Reply

I'd ask you to gain some self awareness. But you're content believing your extreme rightwing views are somehow nonpartisan.
POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2020-01-19 01:22 PM | REPLY

He's riding in the right wing emotional vomit comet til the end.

#31 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-19 01:28 PM | Reply

Eberly

Upgrading to a better job comes with it a set of conditions they are unwilling to meet.

Show up on time, sober, keep a drivers license, and grow up to be an adult who can solve problems and be reliable.

Are you assuming the prior job(s) they were working allowed for them to show up late and intoxicated/belligerent?

Seems like you're not accomplishing your goal of reaching out and understanding others.

Cause it's easier to assume they're all a bunch of drug addicted losers.

#32 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-19 01:31 PM | Reply

-You either misspoke, or are extremely ignorant.

Poor little joe.

#33 | Posted by eberly at 2020-01-19 01:50 PM | Reply

-Are you assuming the prior job(s) they were working allowed for them to show up late and intoxicated/belligerent?

The expectations are lower. They are minimum-wage or near minimum-wage jobs for a reason. Frequent tardiness, not showing up at all, jobs that don't require drug testing because it involves such a little skill it's not really necessary. IOW, lower expectations.

-Cause it's easier to assume they're all a bunch of drug addicted losers.

People fail to step up and take on better jobs for all kinds of reasons. Substance abuse is just one of them.

#34 | Posted by eberly at 2020-01-19 01:54 PM | Reply

It's been my experience that most people that have a ------ job don't want or don't need a better one and that's the reason why they don't have that better job.

It's NOT because of mean employers.

Employers aren't going to pull up their magic wand and spread fairy dust over a ------ job and transform it into a better job. If the employee wants to better their situation they have to find a better job rather than wait for the employer to just give them more money for that same ------ job.

#35 | Posted by eberly at 2020-01-19 02:02 PM | Reply

#34

In the late 90s I worked at blockbuster video. Made minimum wage. I was expected to show up to work on time and be sober. So was everyone else.

I'm not sure of any minimum wage jobs that let you show up late to work.

I know CEOs and supervisors who show up whenever they want. "Work from home". Invite employees into their office for an afternoon drink, especially on Fridays. A few companies I've worked at roll out margarita machines.

I'm not disagreeing with your point that drugs and lack of discipline affect a person. That "a person's aptitude will determine their altitude in life" (thanks childhood fridge magnet). But I don't understand the general attitude that minimum wage jobs are lesser jobs. They're still jobs that need to be done. Why are we so willing to allow people working those jobs to go underpaid? Because we consider them easy to do? That's a subjective scale. There's a lot of minimum wage jobs I'm glad I don't have to do.

#36 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-19 02:07 PM | Reply

Employers aren't going to pull up their magic wand and spread fairy dust over a ------ job and transform it into a better job.

Who needs a magic wand. Wanna make a ------ job better? Increase the compensation.

#37 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-19 02:10 PM | Reply

-Wanna make a ------ job better? Increase the compensation.

Go back to your ------ minimum wage job at blockbuster and make it a better job with better compensation. did someone do that for you? of course not

nobody is going to do that. You can't make that job better. All jobs at blockbuster were essentially eliminated due to no fault of the employees but the entire business model was turned upside down due to technology.

Employers have never and will never try to make a job better by just paying more for the same thing.

And you left blockbuster for a better job because you wanted to and/or you needed to. Blockbuster didn't help you...you helped yourself.

-I was expected to show up to work on time and be sober

right...nobody working at video rental store had smoked pot before their shift. LOL

-But I don't understand the general attitude that minimum wage jobs are lesser jobs. They're still jobs that need to be done.

well, that explains your frustration. They are less valuable jobs. yes, they need to be done. yes, we need folks to fill them but it's a minimum skilled job.

I guess as long as you're unable to understand that, your frustration will continue.

#38 | Posted by eberly at 2020-01-19 02:44 PM | Reply

-I know CEOs and supervisors who show up whenever they want. "Work from home". Invite employees into their office for an afternoon drink, especially on Fridays

so, you can't understand why companies won't make the minimum wage job like the CEOs job?

sounds like a cool job. Why don't you go out and get one like that.

Here's the deal....you have to WANT that job and everything that comes with it. If you think you can be a better CEO...then go do it.

In the meantime, if you want to stay in a $9 an hour job that offers little hours and no benefits....don't expect anybody to just make THAT job better....go get a better one.

but again, you have to want it.

#39 | Posted by eberly at 2020-01-19 02:47 PM | Reply

--nobody working at video rental store had smoked pot before their shift. LOL

That's actually one of the job requirements.

#40 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-01-19 02:52 PM | Reply

Let's count how many people who won't work.

Let's count how many people buy want and not need.

Let's count how many people who don't want help.

Let's count how many people who are stoned, drunk, or incapacitated voluntarily.

Yes, there are people who want their life to change.

Stop counting those that refuse.

#41 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-01-19 04:45 PM | Reply

"Employers aren't going to pull up their magic wand and spread fairy dust over a ------ job and transform it into a better job

^
And that's why government was forced to create a minimum wage!

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-19 04:55 PM | Reply

"In the meantime, if you want to stay in a $9 an hour job that offers little hours and no benefits....don't expect anybody to just make THAT job better....go get a better one."

Wow! So enlightening. None of those poor working people have ever thought of that.

#43 | Posted by danni at 2020-01-19 06:01 PM | Reply

43

It's you who can't figure that out, danni. You want those folks to stay right where they are and make the employer change everything.

To you, it's not the worker's fault he's in a ------ job going nowhere, it's the JOB'S fault. And the guy offering it to him.

You joke about enlightenment but it's true...you need to be enlightened.

#44 | Posted by eberly at 2020-01-19 07:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If a job requires a human being to perform it, it should pay enough for that human being to live on.

#45 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-01-20 01:01 AM | Reply

If a job requires a human being to perform it, it should pay enough for that human being to live on.

#45 | POSTED BY WHODAMAN

Does that include part-time work or work performed by a teenager?

And just how do you go about calculating what constitutes a "living" wage?

#46 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-20 10:25 AM | Reply

And just how do you go about calculating what constitutes a "living" wage?

#46 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

How about what it costs to live? You know, rent, utilities, food, transportation. A person who does not have all of those things cannot hold a job.

And I'm tired of this BS about "teenagers". Everywhere I see fast food restaurants, the majority of the workers are middle-aged women. Housekeeping - adult women and men. Lots of jobs that don't pay more than minimum wage are not jobs where the workers are primarily teenagers. Lots of people in nursing homes and hospitals (including Certified Nursing Assistants) make less than the proposed $15 minimum wage. These are not teenagers.

#47 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-01-20 10:58 AM | Reply

#47 So, teenagers don't ever work? I see them working at our local grocery store, local restaurants and bars as well.

How about what it costs to live? You know, rent, utilities, food, transportation. A person who does not have all of those things cannot hold a job.

Rent - a 3,000 square foot house? A 1,500 square foot house for mom, dad and 4 kids? Does the calculus change for an empty-nest mom who finds a job but whose husband makes $300,000 per year vs a single mom of 3 working the exact same job?

Food- McDonald's? Produce and lean meat? Soda pop and Cheeto's? Filet mignon and Barolo?

Transportation - Bus fare? Your '72 AMC Gremlin? A BMW 550i?

Lots of people in nursing homes and hospitals (including Certified Nursing Assistants) make less than the proposed $15 minimum wage.

Is that a living wage in Manhattan? How about San Fransisco? Does it have the same spending power in those 2 cities as it does in, say, rural North Dakota?

#48 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-20 11:05 AM | Reply

"The party you blindly support wants 10's of trillions in new spending"

Nonsense. You're creating a strawman around Dem campaign promises, and comparing what Democrats won't have the votes to do with things the Republicans have already done.

"Your nose is so far up the arse of the DNC that it looks like a DNC tapeworm."

I'll defer to your expertise what tapeworms up political asses look like. Ultimately, your defense boils down to but. but, but....you're a DEMOCRAT!

"The lack of self-awareness is hilarious, in a pathetic almost pitiable sort of way."

Every time your hypocrisy gets exposed, you pull a DARVO. Nice werk, Roy Cohn!

Now, if you'd like to address the cognitive dissonance of why you're totally against massive spending until we get our financial picture in order, but you were dead silent when Republicans proposed borrowing an additional 10% of all the debt we've rung up since 1776...

...I'm all ears.

#49 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-01-20 11:09 AM | Reply

...I'm all ears.

#49 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

No, you're not. You've made that abundantly clear.

You are Tapeworm Dan - you live inside the bowels of the DNC.

Every time Dem malfeasance is the topic of discussion you angle the deflector shields and make the jump to hyper-partisan space.

I blew your BS out of the water after the release of the IG report. 5 days after the fact I went into your homepage and reproduced every single post you had on that topic - unedited. Not a single acknowledgement of any wrongdoing and plenty of defense and justification for it - You have no right to discover my wrongs. Even JPW acknowledged that the IG report uncovered serious FBI/DOJ malfeasance.

Your projection is off-the-charts. Here's a clue - most people are not anywhere near as hyper-partisan as you.

#50 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-20 11:19 AM | Reply

If the Lefties had their way, we'd be in Caravans migrating to Canada.

#51 | Posted by wisgod at 2020-01-20 11:25 AM | Reply

That's a polite term for it, Jeff. Danfroth is just a run of the mill Trump hater who puts hate above Country. That's all they have according to their Masters on MSNBC

#52 | Posted by wisgod at 2020-01-20 12:10 PM | Reply

High-Paying Trade Jobs Sit Empty, While High School Grads Line Up For University
www.npr.org

#14 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Yeah, because those $18 an hour jobs won't be there forever and they need a skill set to transfer to other jobs in the future.

Or they end up like Coal Miners. The industry shrinks. The miners have no where to go.

#53 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-01-20 12:26 PM | Reply

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN

"Neither GDP nor the Dow is a good measure of economic performance."

Here we go with the annual "I'm in a different party so let me find a way to make good things be bad so we can spread hate in order to get more votes."

It's like clockwork these days. I can't even being to count how many of these articles showed up when Obama was POTUS by the Reps who just HAAAAAD to find ways to make the economic recovery seem bad. But, again, it's all about precedent. Once one party finds a tactic that seems to gain traction, the other party does it the next time it's their turn and they find a way to make it even more extravagant and exaggerated.

That's not to say there aren't good points made. It's all just made in the context of hate and not actually meant to be constructive. They don't even wait anymore to mention the hate and put it in the first paragraph or try to hide the hate in the article. These days it's front and center and both parties are proud of themselves for doing it.

#54 | Posted by humtake at 2020-01-20 12:42 PM | Reply

Lots of people in nursing homes and hospitals (including Certified Nursing Assistants) make less than the proposed $15 minimum wage.
Is that a living wage in Manhattan? How about San Fransisco? Does it have the same spending power in those 2 cities as it does in, say, rural North Dakota?
#48 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Rural North Dakota
I was literally just talking with a female friend who works in a nursing home in rural North Dakota last night. She's about 45 miles past Casselton, ND.

They pay $10-11.50 an hour depending on experience and you need a certification. That's just under $2,000 a month in pay. Assuming she pays no income taxes state or federal, she brings home $1,800-$1,850 a month after FICA and other company costs.

A $100,000 home (if you can find one not requiring massive repairs, good luck) will cost $700 a month with taxes and insurance. A 1 bedroom apartment costs about the same or slightly less but they are hard to find outside of large towns. It's very desolate out there. There is no public transportation out there so you'll need a car and its a long drive to get anywhere (think 30-60 minutes). Utilities on a home will run $100-200 a month especially when it drops down to -10 like last week. You'll need health insurance. Plus you'll need money for basic necessities, car repairs, etc. And you definitely can't save for retirement.

No, it's no where near enough to even live out there unless you have a spouse with a job or government assistance.

Here is what Republicans don't get when they say "Get a better job": We need people out there doing these jobs.

#55 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-01-20 12:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#55

I should have chosen Northern Michigan as my example. Cost of living just outside of towns like Boyne City or Petoskey is VERY low. Most non-lakefront land is dirt cheap and any schmoe wirh a pickup truck and a snowplow can make pretty decent money during winter. During summer the tourist economy booms.

#56 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-20 12:53 PM | Reply

Here we go with the annual "I'm in a different party so let me find a way to make good things be bad so we can spread hate in order to get more votes."

#54 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

The "recovery" was only a recovery for the rich. The bottom 50% are seeing wage increases of less than 1% per year after inflation (less than Obama's last 4 years). 2 million more people don't have health insurance. Manufacturing jobs didn't come back. The trade deficit hasn't really budged. The federal deficit doubled. And the jobs being created aren't high paying jobs.

And Trump took out about $5.5 trillion in loans (you call it a tax cut) to get us here. Your generation won't pay it back but mine will have to.

Are things bad economically? No. But with 3.5% unemployment and $5.5 trillion in tax cuts, we'd expect to see a lot more improvement.

So besides the DOW going up, why haven't we seen far better results from the President who promised to fix everything, give us a better health insurance plan, and pay off the debt?

#57 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-01-20 12:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

America can survive another recession, not sure if we can stand another 4 years of Illegitimate President Bucket of ----.

#58 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-01-20 12:58 PM | Reply

#55
I should have chosen Northern Michigan as my example. Cost of living just outside of towns like Boyne City or Petoskey is VERY low. Most non-lakefront land is dirt cheap and any schmoe wirh a pickup truck and a snowplow can make pretty decent money during winter. During summer the tourist economy booms.

#56 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Great. How many people can we send there until that's no longer true?

Seriously though, how does that change the fact we need people working in places like rural North Dakota but don't pay them enough to survive?

#59 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-01-20 12:59 PM | Reply

#59

My point was that "living wage" varies greatly depending on geography. I was speaking to the fallacy of a national minimum wage. I also introduced the market concept of an empty nest mom with a rich husband driving down a potential wage.

#60 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-20 01:07 PM | Reply

So the solution is make them all sanctuary cities and let them camp on the sidewalks. Christ, you fools have all the answers in this down time.

#61 | Posted by wisgod at 2020-01-20 01:09 PM | Reply

"Not a single acknowledgement of any wrongdoing and plenty of defense and justification for it - You have no right to discover my wrongs."

That's because all you could do was bitch at the process, and completely ignore the central actions themselves. The investigations would still have gone on, and frankly, had the shoe been on the other foot and the FBI declined to investigate, you'd scream until your head exploded.

#62 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-01-20 02:37 PM | Reply

"No excuse for deficit spending with this economy."

Remember when you said that at the suggestion of a massive tax cut for the wealthiest, guaranteed to explode the deficit spending?

No one else does either.

#63 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-01-20 02:38 PM | Reply

"You are Tapeworm Dan - you live inside the bowels of the DNC."

Fat talk from Jeff the Sackicker.

Here's a hint: not everyone is so hyperpartisan they bitch and moan out of one face, and vote for the scofflaws with the other.

#64 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-01-20 02:40 PM | Reply

"Sackicker."

Sorry: we all know you're a SackLicker.

#65 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-01-20 02:41 PM | Reply

"So the solution is make them all sanctuary cities"

The Constitution already does that. Sanctuary is the default.
But if municipalities want to pay their municipal employees to do Federal work that the Feds aren't pay for, that's their right as well.

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-20 02:43 PM | Reply

#62

Still doubling down on defending unlawfully obtained FISA warrants because Obama, Tapeworm Dan.

Oh and how much collusion did a 2 year Mueller colonoscopy produce?

Zilch. Yet you are totally down with unlawful spying so long as those targeted have the right letter after their name. Had an Obama campaign official been targeted in a similar manner you would have gone full Hodgkinson at the J Edgar Hoover building.

#67 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-20 02:44 PM | Reply

"most people are not anywhere near as hyper-partisan as you."

JeffJ: I won't stand for deficit spending!

Republicans: GFY, we're borrowing over 10% of all the debt we've rung up since 1776, and we're going to propose continuous Trillion Dollar deficits.

JeffJ: That gets my vote!

Tell us again how "non-partisan" you are, Sacklicker.

#68 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-01-20 02:44 PM | Reply

"Oh and how much collusion did a 2 year Mueller colonoscopy produce?"

Collusion is not a crime, so why are you asking?

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-20 02:45 PM | Reply

Sorry: we all know you're a SackLicker.

#65 | POSTED BY TAPEWORMDAN

I understood what you were trying to type.

#70 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-20 02:48 PM | Reply

Here's a hint: not everyone is so hyperpartisan they bitch and moan out of one face, and vote for the scofflaws with the other.

#64 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

At least I call out GOP malfeasance when it manifests itself. You defend Dem malfeasance to the absolute core which is why you've earned the TapewormDan nickname - you absolutely live inside the bowels of the DNC.

#71 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-20 02:50 PM | Reply

"At least I call out GOP malfeasance when it manifests itself."

You can?
Anything Trump ought to be impeached for?

#72 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-20 03:19 PM | Reply

When Danforth starts calling you names, you know you've got him by the nads. Old Yellow Stain is true to form again.

#73 | Posted by wisgod at 2020-01-20 03:22 PM | Reply

Or when Snoofy ends each post with ?. So predictable

#74 | Posted by wisgod at 2020-01-20 03:23 PM | Reply

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