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Tuesday, January 21, 2020

Donald Trump delivered remarks at a private dinner with wealthy donors Friday night at Mar-a-Lago, and as the Washington Post reported, the president shared some thoughts about the nation's finances.

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Spoken like a true 1%er.

#1 | Posted by Nixon at 2020-01-21 06:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I know that during the upcoming campaign many of the Republicans posting here are going to attack MforA and other Democratic proposals often and with such sanctimonious attitude. We can clearly see how serious Republicans are about debt, their b.s. won't be taken seriously after the head of their party says "Who cares about the budget?"

#2 | Posted by danni at 2020-01-21 06:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Republicans are showing their true colors more and more under Trump.
It must be liberating. No more worrying about how they look, or how ethical or moral they should be. No concerns about the future, and no need to pretend to care.

#3 | Posted by YAV at 2020-01-21 07:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

If I were a Democratic candidate I would be quoting Trump on his views about the budget at every opportunity. He should never be able to escape the truth his own words spoke about him and the GOP. Every last one of them.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2020-01-21 08:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It must be liberating. No more worrying about how they look, or how ethical or moral they should be. No concerns about the future, and no need to pretend to care.

#3 | Posted by YAV at 2020-01-2

Liberating in narrow sense.

But to be a slave is to live in fear.

#5 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-21 08:06 AM | Reply

Anyone who thought Fat Nixon was not going to spend this nation into bankruptcy is a god dang fool.

"I can cut taxes, give everyone great low cost health insurance, increase spending and pay down the debt."

- Fat Nixon 2016.

Seriously, if you believed that you should not be allowed to reproduce.

#6 | Posted by Nixon at 2020-01-21 08:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Oh, I'm sorry. He never said pay DOWN the debt. He said pay OFF the debt in 8 years.

What a fooking liar.

#7 | Posted by Nixon at 2020-01-21 08:16 AM | Reply

"We're going to have a country"

Wonder what the rest of that truncated thought is...

#8 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-21 08:40 AM | Reply

"Now, people ask me all the time how we got four surplus budgets in a row. What new ideas did we bring to Washington? I always give a one-word answer: Arithmetic."

Former President Bill Clinton

#9 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2020-01-21 03:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Now, people ask me all the time how we got four surplus budgets in a row. What new ideas did we bring to Washington? I always give a one-word answer: Arithmetic."
Former President Bill Clinton

#9 | POSTED BY SOMEBODYELSE

Don't worry. Mackris will come along with "Republican" math to explain why it never happened.

Then I'll have to take the time again to explain why her math is wrong.

#10 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-01-21 04:55 PM | Reply

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'Who the hell cares about the budget?'

No Republican since Reagan, as Reagan's own Budget Dirs confirm:

www.rollingstone.com

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2020-01-21 05:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It must be liberating. No more worrying about how they look, or how ethical or moral they should be. No concerns about the future, and no need to pretend to care.
#3 | POSTED BY YAV

It'd be much more liberating for about half of them if they could bring themselves to admit they are Trump supporters. As it stands, many of them sit on the sidelines cheering, defending, and deflecting on his behalf, but they will never fully liberate themselves by admitting they are redhats.

#12 | Posted by JOE at 2020-01-21 05:43 PM | Reply

HELL, o'bummer never did.

#13 | Posted by Sniper at 2020-01-21 05:52 PM | Reply

But you're all assuming that Trump actually knows what a 'budget' is let alone how it's related to the economy of the country.

OCU

#14 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-01-21 08:28 PM | Reply

LOL

13 posts, not one argument about why they think he's wrong ....

Only: Its Trump!

God Bless

#15 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-01-21 08:42 PM | Reply

BTW, once a Democrat wins the White House, the deficit, from the Republican's point of view, will suddenly become the most critical issue needing to be addressed. They will demand that spending be slashed across the board, except of course the defense budget. They will also suggest that once again, there will be a need to cut corporate taxes, reduce the maximum marginal rates and finally look at eliminating things like taxes on dividends and capital gains. The argument will be made that the only way to save the country is to boost the earning of corporations and give more tax breaks to the rich as the trickle-down effect is the only thing the ever works (contrary to the fact that it never has in the past). Of course, anything that smacks of 'socialism' will need to be cut, like Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, public education, disability programs, etc. Also, more regulations will need to be dumped so as to help corporate America achieve higher levels of profitability so as to compete with foreign entities.

It's all in the Republican playbook, which they've trotted-out every time a Democrat is elected president. And like clockwork, it will happen again.

OCU

#16 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-01-21 08:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Democrats whining about spending are laughable. Trump is not spending on war - that was a Neocon and Dem thing (which is why they want endless wars in the Middle East). They whined when Trump made Saudi and Korea pony up money to keep our troops there as well. So - Dems clearly don't mind spending on the military. Further, they can't get enough entitlement spending and want to add on even more. So - where is their stance on this where everything they run on is to expand the size/role of government?

Here are the facts - Obama grew the national debt by 8%/year while in office. Trump - even with Dems and GOP sucking at the government teat is growing it at 5%. Yes, we want the government to shrink - but we need to Democrats to give up on 'free crap for everyone' as their campaign slogan.

We do need responsibility. The economy has been fixed, trade deals have been fixed. Now, we just need to build the wall - work out a solution to the 20M+ illegals currently in the US, and then control entitlement spending. Not an easy fix to implement - but Trump has done so much already with zero support from the Dems so I suspect he will accomplish all three in his next 4 years.

#17 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2020-01-21 09:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

Trump is not spending on war -

LOL. Good one!

#18 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-01-21 09:24 PM | Reply

I'm waiting for the Tea Party to step in any minute and put a stop to this.

#19 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2020-01-21 09:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

I'm waiting for the Tea Party to step in any minute and put a stop to this.

The Tea Party is nothing but a footnote in the President Blackenstein Library.

#20 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-01-21 09:36 PM | Reply

I'm waiting for the Tea Party to step in any minute and put a stop to this.

POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON AT 2020-01-21 09:34 PM | REPLY

A white guy is spending the money so all good.

#21 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-21 09:38 PM | Reply

"The Tea Party is nothing but a footnote in the President Blackenstein Library.
#20 | POSTED BY REDIAL "

Yes, thanks to his weaponizing of the IRS it is. Just one more act of illegality by the Kenyan Muslim that played president for 8 disastrous years.

#22 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2020-01-21 09:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

I'm waiting for the Tea Party to step in any minute and put a stop to this.

We got snuffed out by the IRS, like journalist got wire tapped under Blackenstein...

But hey, under Blackenstein we didn't even have budgets ... NOW you care? LOL please...

Congress passes first budget in 6 years
www.washingtontimes.com

I could careless about the debt, just don't tax me.

#23 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-01-21 09:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

Spoken like a truly selfish a hole.do you consider anyone but yourself? Maybe you should go live on a desert island with man Friday. I'm sure you wouldn't pay him for any services he performed. You seem just like your fecal god trump.a cheap deadbeat and scoundrel. Why don't you move offshore if you hate taxes so much?

#24 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-01-22 01:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

'Who the hell cares about the budget?'

No Republican since Reagan, as Reagan's own Budget Dirs confirm:

www.rollingstone.com

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2020-01-21 05:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

The GOP only cares about the deficit when spending is going to benefit anyone other than the top .001% of Americans.

Infinite money for war, tax cuts and bail outs for businesses too big to fail.

Medical care, education and food stamps are just too expensive.

#25 | Posted by Nixon at 2020-01-22 07:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I'm waiting for the Tea Party to step in any minute and put a stop to this.

#19 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2020-01-21 09:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Trump isn't from Kenya *wink*wink*.

- Midnight Mitch.

#26 | Posted by Nixon at 2020-01-22 07:40 AM | Reply

I could careless about the debt, just don't tax me.

#23 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Translation: gimme gimme gimme gimme

#27 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-22 08:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Gonna be interesting to see how the bankruptcy courts handle this failed business venture of his.

Mehhhh... I am thinking they will handle it the same way they handled it when Bushhole2 bankrupted the country... set up the bailout and blame the next democrat president that extracts from the ditch. Feckless ingratitude is the hallmark of republiclownery.

#28 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2020-01-22 08:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Budgets are for Democrats. Put one in the White House and we'll be all over the budget deficit...
--GOP Pols

Hell, I balanced the budget four times, and even produced annual surpluses. All because I got a Mentos hummer in the pantry...
-Slick Willie, budget hawk

#29 | Posted by catdog at 2020-01-22 09:33 AM | Reply

"Congress passes first budget in 6 years
www.washingtontimes.com"

"The GOP-led Congress Tuesday passed a full budget for the first time in years, laying out a road map for domestic spending cuts so deep that Democrats dared Republicans to follow through on them, predicting a swift voter backlash."

The utter stupidity of your post will be revealed to you when you check the date of the article you linked.

#30 | Posted by danni at 2020-01-22 09:43 AM | Reply

Yes, in 2015, while Obama was president.

OCU

#31 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-01-22 10:39 AM | Reply

"(The tea party) got snuffed out by the IRS"

Lie.

The IG report made it clear: there were more "liberal" red-flag words than "conservative" red-flag words. The reason a higher percentage of right-leaning groups got snagged was because a higher percentage applied. The report concluded the IRS was not targeting either side. It should also be noted approval was assumed upon application, so any delays didn't affect the day-to-day operations one iota.

Of course, if you actually want to see weaponizing of the US tax code...read the Trump version. Two of their consultants admitted the new tax code was crafted to hurt "blue" states and "blue" causes.
www.bloomberg.com
www.dailykos.com

#32 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-01-22 10:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Here are the facts - Obama grew the national debt by 8%/year while in office. Trump - even with Dems and GOP sucking at the government teat is growing it at 5%. Yes, we want the government to shrink - but we need to Democrats to give up on 'free crap for everyone' as their campaign slogan.
We do need responsibility. The economy has been fixed, trade deals have been fixed. Now, we just need to build the wall - work out a solution to the 20M+ illegals currently in the US, and then control entitlement spending. Not an easy fix to implement - but Trump has done so much already with zero support from the Dems so I suspect he will accomplish all three in his next 4 years.

#17 | POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG

Don't you love Conservatives ignoring the damage they did last time in office?

Blah blah Obama grew the national debt...during the great recession when government revenue tanked. Obama then cut the deficit to $500 billion while simultaneously pulling us out of the recession and leading us to the longest period of economic growth in US History. Trump then doubled it to a $1 trillion a year.

I'd love to know what Trade deals have been fixed. NAFTA has been replaced by the same NAFTA with a different name. The economy was fixed under Obama until Trump hurt manufacturing with a trade war. It took a $5.5 trillion tax cut (i.e. loan from future tax payers) to even keep the economy moving. Coal is dead. The trade deficits haven't changed. And middle class wages are stagnant.

And the $10 billion Wall is being scaled by people with 8 foot ladders or cut through with $30 power tools while deportation has slowed down since Obama left office. And the number of illegal immigrants trying to come into the country is up during Trump's term in office.

Responsibility? You idiots double the deficit and increased spending. You alienated our allies. You blew up the Iran deal and now Trump is begging them to accept the same deal as before. North Korea is further along in their missile capabilities after Trump declared them our friend. Less people have health insurance. Farm bankruptcies are at an high again.

Honestly, I'm trying to think of one positive thing accomplished by Trump and I haven't been able to find one...anywhere.

#33 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-01-22 11:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I could careless about the debt, just don't tax me.

#23 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Yeah, we know. You're a Republican. It's me me me and screw the country and everyone else.

The sooner your generation dies off, the better for everyone.

#34 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-01-22 11:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"Obama grew the national debt by 8%/year while in office."

Republican Math strikes again. In this case, Obama gets the fiscal blame for the Bush Bust & Bailout.

#35 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-01-22 05:49 PM | Reply

"Obama grew the national debt by 8%/year while in office."

LOL

Under President Obama, the national debt grew the most dollar-wise. He added $8.588 trillion.

Trump plans to add $5.088 trillion to the debt in his first term.8 That's a 25% increase from the $20.245 trillion debt at the end of Obama's last budget for FY 2017. If he remains in office for a second term, he plans to add $9.1 trillion for both terms. Trump had promised to eliminate the debt during his campaign.
www.thebalance.com

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-22 06:00 PM | Reply

""Obama grew the national debt by 8%/year while in office."
LOL"

I guess I don't get the LOL as Obama growing the debt 8%/year is what we call a mathematical FACT.

"Under President Obama, the national debt grew the most dollar-wise. He added $8.588 trillion."

Yep - as stated, he was horrible.

"Trump plans to add $5.088 trillion to the debt in his first term."

About 20% of that is directly related to interest payments on Obama's $8.6T in new debt. But, we have the world's greatest economy to show for it.

"If he remains in office for a second term, he plans to add $9.1 trillion for both terms. Trump had promised to eliminate the debt during his campaign.
#36 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

First, that is your projection. Second, it is WAY less than 8%/year under Obama even if it becomes true. Third, inflation adjusted, Obama still ran up more debt in real dollar terms.

So, thank you for reiterating the case that the Kenyan Muslim was an economic disaster just as much as he was for foreign policy and racial harmony. You need to take a page out of the 2020 Dem handbook - stop trying to defend that loser.

#37 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2020-01-22 11:59 PM | Reply

"Trump plans to add $5.088 trillion to the debt in his first term."

Hopefully its more .....

About 20% of that is directly related to interest payments

Shh.... they don't care IraGoldBerg ... stop the reality .. let them dream.

"If he remains in office for a second term, he plans to add $9.1 trillion for both terms. Trump had promised to eliminate the debt during his campaign.
#36 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

And you believed him ... that is your folly not mine...

#38 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-01-23 12:05 AM | Reply

"And you believed him"

I did?
New operator on the account or something?

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-23 12:09 AM | Reply

"First, that is your projection."

No, those were Trump's own words, and Trump's own projected budget.

"About 20% of that is directly related to interest payments on Obama's $8.6T in new debt."

Which means an even larger percentage was directly related to interest payments on debt which pre-dated Obama. And of course, you're charging Obama for paying off the Bush meltdown, so there's that intellectual dishonesty as well.

#40 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-01-23 12:36 AM | Reply

"Which means an even larger percentage was directly related to interest payments on debt which pre-dated Obama. And of course, you're charging Obama for paying off the Bush meltdown, so there's that intellectual dishonesty as well.
#40 | POSTED BY DANFORTH "

We are comparing Trump to Obama - part of Trump's problem is DIRECTLY ATTRIBUTABLE to the irresponsible spending by Obama. ZERO of Obama's spending problem is directly attributable to Trump. Again - stop trying to protect Obama - he was just as much of a empty suit loser as W. Bush. The sooner the Dems can admit that, the sooner your party will stop looking like a clown car.

#41 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2020-01-23 12:48 AM | Reply

"part of Trump's problem is DIRECTLY ATTRIBUTABLE to the irresponsible spending by Obama.

Trump knew that when he promised to erase the debt. His promise, and his breaking of his promise, are 100% on him.

"ZERO of Obama's spending problem is directly attributable to Trump."

Duh.

But you have to admit two things: one, if 20% was interest on Obama's debt, then MORE THAN 20% was attributable to debt rung up before Obama, mainly from Reagan and Dubya. And two, you're charging Obama for cleaning up Dubya's mess, which is intellectually dishonest.

"stop trying to protect Obama "

I'm not; I'm simply trying to protect Actual Math.

#42 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-01-23 01:03 AM | Reply

"Trump knew that when he promised to erase the debt. His promise, and his breaking of his promise, are 100% on him."

Never once did I ever claim that Trump would eliminate the debt. I did claim 1.) his economy is better than Obama's and 2.) his debt increase by every measure is less than Obama's. You know those points can't be disputed so you try to move the goalposts.

"But you have to admit two things: one, if 20% was interest on Obama's debt, then MORE THAN 20% was attributable to debt rung up before Obama, mainly from Reagan and Dubya."

What's that got to do with the price of tea in China? When you see me defending Bush or Reagan, come play that card. Until then STFU.

"And two, you're charging Obama for cleaning up Dubya's mess, which is intellectually dishonest."

Obama didn't clean up anything. The US was lifted out of recession by global growth - mainly in China. Obama didn't fix ----.

"I'm not; I'm simply trying to protect Actual Math.
#42 | POSTED BY DANFORTH"

There isn't math in your post - just emotional arguments barren of actual facts but full of whataboutisms...sad. Stop trying. Obama cannot be defended - he was a turd.

#43 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2020-01-23 01:12 AM | Reply

"Never once did I ever claim that Trump would eliminate the debt"

Who asked you? Trump made the claim himself.

"his debt increase by every measure is less than Obama's. You know those points can't be disputed so you try to move the goalposts."

You're including the Dubya cleanup in Obama's bill, while you want to charge Obama for all his interest, and won't admit more interest is from pre-Obama. You're intellectually dishonest.

"Obama didn't clean up anything."

Total nonsense. Look at the economy Dubya got, vs. the one he handed off to Obama, vs. the one Obama handed off. Not only that, but using your "logic", Trump didn't do anything either, other than write a trillion dollars of hot checks and explode the annual deficit.

"There isn't math in your post"

Sure there is: GREATER THAN and LESSER THAN, something you haven't admitted or addressed. Was most of the interest Trump pays from Obama, or pre-Obama? How much of the Bush Bust & Bailout are you charging to Obama? And speaking of math, please show yours.

#44 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-01-23 01:23 AM | Reply

16 rock solid conservatives and you picked Donald Trump. Nobody forced you. You chose Trump freely.

#45 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2020-01-23 10:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"For most of President Barack Obama's time in office, Republicans seemed to care very much about the budget, making fears around the national debt and deficit their top talking point. They've backed off those concerns under Trump."

And during W's Presidency, Dems used debts and deficits as major talking points. This is why kids should not be in politics. Anybody who uses budgets as a reason to spread partisan hate just shows they are either a teenager who doesn't know any better or are the type of hypocrite that damages this country. Neither party acts right and hasn't in a long, long time. The closest anyone came was Clinton who just wanted to shut people up so he paid off debt with more debt just to make it appear like he did something useful. Unfortunately for the country, partisan hate allowed his base to actually still believe to this day that he helped instead of harmed our chances of economic independence.

#46 | Posted by humtake at 2020-01-23 12:55 PM | Reply

"If he remains in office for a second term, he plans to add $9.1 trillion for both terms. Trump had promised to eliminate the debt during his campaign.
#36 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"
And you believed him ... that is your folly not mine...
#38 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

The President lies. Mackris says its our problem for stupid Republicans believing him as he tanks the country.

This might be as stupid as one can get.

Mackris/Sniper 2020

Maybe its time we had a retro-active tax on millionaires like Mackris for underpaying taxes for so many years.

#47 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-01-23 01:10 PM | Reply

And during W's Presidency, Dems used debts and deficits as major talking points. This is why kids should not be in politics. Anybody who uses budgets as a reason to spread partisan hate just shows they are either a teenager who doesn't know any better or are the type of hypocrite that damages this country. Neither party acts right and hasn't in a long, long time. The closest anyone came was Clinton who just wanted to shut people up so he paid off debt with more debt just to make it appear like he did something useful. Unfortunately for the country, partisan hate allowed his base to actually still believe to this day that he helped instead of harmed our chances of economic independence.

#46 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

1. No. People are pissed because our generation has to pay it back, not yours. Your underpaying of taxes for years has put us here.
2. Not sure how many times I have to debunk the Clinton myth, but Clinton actually did have a smalls surplus. It's a fact. Google it. Politifact goes over the numbers.

#48 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-01-23 01:43 PM | Reply

There isn't math in your post - just emotional arguments barren of actual facts but full of whataboutisms...sad. Stop trying. Obama cannot be defended - he was a turd.

#43 | POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG

Yeah, blame Obama. Hand him a huge cut in government income, two Bush wars, a Bush tax cut, and the worst recession in 100 years, he saves the economy, saves millions of jobs, cuts health insurance premium increases in half, gets more people covered by health insurance than ever before, and cuts the deficit in half in 8 years all against a Republican party who refused to do anything...and he's a turd?

Ira, you're a special kind of stupid.

#49 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-01-23 01:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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