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Thursday, January 23, 2020

Schools usually focus on teaching comprehension skills instead of general knowledge -- even though education researchers know better.

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#1 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-23 02:54 PM | Reply

The Incompetent Teachers Protective Association, i.e., the teachers unions, are much of the problem.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-01-23 05:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Schools usually focus on teaching comprehension skills"

Because the dumb-ass tests, which they're evaluated on, focus on comprehension skills and not general knowledge. Almost every teacher I know feels compelled to teach to the test, and would do it differently if they could. But schools are certified (or not) based on the results of the comprehension skills test.

#3 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-01-23 05:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#2 | Posted by nullifidian

No, they're not, and you're an idiot.

Clearly, your dumb ass did not read the article.

#4 | Posted by Angrydad at 2020-01-23 05:42 PM | Reply

"I love the uneducated"
-DJT

#5 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-01-23 05:55 PM | Reply

Here in Okiehomie, the state mandates the teaching of whole-word reading, and not phonics. I tutor a second grader in reading, and he clearly struggles with whole-word reading, and soaks up the phonics drills I run him through. Our teachers are being pointed in the wrong direction by meddling politicians...

#6 | Posted by catdog at 2020-01-23 06:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

Maybe whiny parents like this are part of the problem.

"What gives the school the right to give my child homework?

Original post made by Parent, JLS Middle School, on Dec 18, 2014
This is a legitimate question. I called the California Department of Education today and they did not know the answer.

What gives the school the right to give my child homework? Under what legal framework are they allowed to expect my family to put all of his and our time 24/7 at their disposal in order to get a high-quality public education?

#7 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-01-23 06:06 PM | Reply

What catdog said. Phonics is not taught any more. My sister is a 5th grade teacher and she is so frustrated because her hands are tied by the state who will not allow phonics to be taught. She said she knows she could lot better readers and spellers if she could teach them phonics.

#8 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-23 06:11 PM | Reply

None of the Deplorables blamed Common Core?

Y'all slippin!

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-23 06:17 PM | Reply

"What gives the school the right to give my child homework?"

What gives the school the right to have teachers grade homework at home on their own time?

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-23 06:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

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It's tough to learn to read when the left keeps changing the meanings of the words.

#11 | Posted by 6thPersona at 2020-01-23 06:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#11 Don't know to give FF or NW

#12 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-23 06:37 PM | Reply

Because the dumb-ass tests, which they're evaluated on, focus on comprehension skills and not general knowledge.

LOL, you need basic reading, writing and mathematics comprehension skills to attain "general knowledge". General knowledge is built on the comprehension skill.s

Almost every teacher I know feels compelled to teach to the test,

I suppose teaching the students about the various genders is also teaching to the test?
www.vox.com

Is it really what kindergartners should be learning? Is this your idea of "general knowledge".
www.washingtonpost.com

What gives the school the right to have teachers grade homework at home on their own time?

You must be a hourly employee.

Teach a kid K-12 Reading/Rigthing/Rithmatic is really all that should be taught. From this foundation, general knowledge is attained, by utilizing those skills.

#13 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-01-23 06:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What do I need to read for? The only good book is read to me and I get all my news from Hannity.

#14 | Posted by bored at 2020-01-23 07:48 PM | Reply

I havent seen Sesame Street, but the Electric Company still teaches phonics.

I had to teach my own kid how to write cursive and he is one of a few who can read the original Constitution.

People rely on computers to proofread. Journalism sucks today as it is easy to see who is using a computer.

Writing in passive is not a sin.

Knowing grammer helps when learning another language.

Man without woman is nothing.
Man, without, woman is nothing.
Man: without woman, is nothing.

#15 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-01-23 08:21 PM | Reply

I see people on this thread are blaming the educators and administration.

Maybe it's the culture.

Chinese culture puts a high degree of value on education and expects people to excel.

Not to mention I would guess parents are far more involved in the success of their children.

We should be putting the blame where it likely belongs in America.

Our culture teaches people the government owes them a living so why bother learning.

And everyone deserves a ribbon.

#16 | Posted by billjohnson at 2020-01-23 08:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Our culture teaches people the government owes them a living so why bother learning.
And everyone deserves a ribbon.

But enough about the Army. :-)

#17 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-01-23 08:55 PM | Reply

In California it's due to inadequate funding resulting from Prop.13.

#18 | Posted by Charliecharles at 2020-01-23 09:07 PM | Reply

Our culture teaches people the government owes them a living so why bother learning.
#16 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

I can't believe I actually thought you were making sense, up until this little bit of drivel.

#19 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-01-23 10:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Unfortunately, BJ is a bit on the money. I can't remember where I saw it, but there was a survey that showed that in almost every country, people equated good grades with hard work, except in America, where they were equated with being smart.


If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing
" Homer Simpson

#20 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-01-23 10:12 PM | Reply

"Our culture teaches people the government owes them a living so why bother learning."

I disagree. We have some folks here who WISH our culture did that but fortunately it doesn't

#21 | Posted by eberly at 2020-01-23 10:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

I see people on this thread are blaming the educators and administration.

I don't blame educators, I blame the progressive agenda controlling government to shove without warrant ideas that simply don't matter.

Teacher in the US are underpaid, we pay $12K per student a year.... WTF is that money going... it aint teachers.

We have some folks here who WISH our culture did that but fortunately it doesn't
#21 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I don't disagree, but they WISH it because the higher education system teaches it.

#22 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-01-23 10:31 PM | Reply

What do I need to read for?
#14 | POSTED BY BORED

You do you Bored, I will defend your right to be an idiot.

#23 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-01-23 10:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I will defend your right to be an idiot.
#23 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Starting a club?

#24 | Posted by JOE at 2020-01-23 11:18 PM | Reply


Starting a club?
#24 | POSTED BY JOE

Joe since you are an idiot .. you can join the club free of charge.

#25 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-01-23 11:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I'm with Mattress: Bored serves as an example.

#26 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-01-24 12:11 AM | Reply

#25

Be prepared. You'll be called mattress, Andy mattress and fat Andy mattress by the sophomoric idiots that infest this place. Read their posting history. They're truly sophomoric imbeciles. I read them all. Only out and out cowards plonk somebody.

#27 | Posted by willowby at 2020-01-24 12:25 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Easy - in the late 70s the fed govt got heavily involved [under the Carter dems] [also know as the rise of the libbie teachers union] in 'influencing' the state level education system. Just look where we started falling down compared to other countries.

#28 | Posted by MSgt at 2020-01-24 12:26 AM | Reply

"Only out and out cowards plonk somebody.

#27 | POSTED BY WILLOWBY"

I don't think it's cowards as much as it is thin skinned snowflakes who have to have their echo chamber and "safe place".

The top 20 plonked are right wingers, even though there is little doubt in anyone's mind that the really rabid and hateful people on the DR are left wing -- angry dad, abortion, chief moses, jpw, e1g1, reinrobot etc. -- yet right wingers don't drown them in plonks

Nope. Just mostly thin skinned snowflakes from the left here. The stats page proves it.

#29 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-24 12:31 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

It's technology. Kids don't read books anymore. Video games, FB, Twitter, etc. Abbreviations, grammar police shunned. The Covfefe syndrome.

#30 | Posted by willowby at 2020-01-24 12:36 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Kids don't read books anymore.

#30 | POSTED BY WILLOWBY :"

That's sad, isn't it? When I was a kid, I was a voracious reader. There were few joys greater. My first grade teacher couldn't keep me supplied with enough books, so she brought me boods from the town she lived in.

I'm not saying that all kids should read like that, but they definitely need to read more.

#31 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-24 12:42 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#31 | Posted by goatman

I liked killing things. And I'm really, really good at it. But yeah, I went bore on reading, far more than the other kids. Because you can't absorb their life force after you kill them if you can't accept it into you and that takes understanding.

#32 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-01-24 01:25 AM | Reply

"I liked killing things.

#32 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT "

My extent of killing when I was a kid was doodle bugs and ants with a magnifying glass. That's not counting old man "get off my lawn" Murdoch (that bastard) when I was 8, but my friends and I all agreed he needed killing.

#33 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-24 01:28 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

so she brought me boods

I bet she did.

#34 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2020-01-24 01:56 AM | Reply

Just mostly thin skinned snowflakes from the left here. The stats page proves it.

#29 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-24 12:31 AM | Reply

Says the guy who quit the site 3 times and keeps begging his way back in.

#35 | Posted by Scotty at 2020-01-24 02:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Says the guy who quit the site 3 times and keeps begging his way back in.

#35 | POSTED BY SCOTTY "

That's not entirely true, but even if it was, that does not negate my point.

#36 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-24 02:09 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

>choynur has the smartest students in the world
>believing the commies, or anyone compliant enough to work with them

*you have been visited by corona-chan*
unless you post, "I love you, corona-chan!" in this thread, you will suffer fluid in the lungs (pulmonary edema).
i.ibb.co

#37 | Posted by berserkone at 2020-01-24 02:19 AM | Reply

#35 | Posted by Scotty

To be fair, the dirtbag got kicked off the site multiple times and begged his way back in...

...how f**king pathetic is that?

LOL!

#38 | Posted by Angrydad at 2020-01-24 06:59 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

...how f**king pathetic is that?

Indescribable.

#39 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2020-01-24 07:39 AM | Reply

Why American Students Haven't Gotten Better at Reading in 20 Years

It could not be the pubic schools. Naaaaa, they are the best.

#40 | Posted by Sniper at 2020-01-24 11:03 AM | Reply

No, they're not, and you're an idiot.

Clearly, your dumb ass did not read the article.

#4 | Posted by Angrydad

As well as you if you don't believe in the truth.

#41 | Posted by Sniper at 2020-01-24 11:05 AM | Reply

What do I need to read for? The only good book is read to me and I get all my news from Hannity.

#14 | Posted by bored

If you depend on tv for an education you are in terrible shape. Cable news gives you politics not any education.

#42 | Posted by Sniper at 2020-01-24 11:10 AM | Reply

In California it's due to inadequate funding resulting from Prop.13.

#18 | Posted by Charliecharles

You are clueless.

#43 | Posted by Sniper at 2020-01-24 11:12 AM | Reply

My parents didn't depend on a white person to teach me properly, especially in the 60/70's when racism was rampant. They made sure homework was done and I studied. Back then if you weren't white, public school didn't care much abt their minority students. If you failed, you failed. Oh well.

#44 | Posted by Goose_Boils at 2020-01-24 11:23 AM | Reply

Teach a kid K-12 Reading/Rigthing/Rithmatic is really all that should be taught. From this foundation, general knowledge is attained, by utilizing those skills.

#13 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

How out of touch are you? No geography? No history? No science?

You want them to have no understanding of the world, just like you?

#45 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-01-24 12:22 PM | Reply

Republicans,

If it's liberals fault, why are the students in Red States so far behind the students in Blue States?

#46 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-01-24 12:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If it's liberals fault, why are the students in Red States so far behind the students in Blue States?

#46 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2020-01-24 12:23 PM | FLAG: Because the majority of the teachers, even in red states are libbies.

#47 | Posted by MSgt at 2020-01-24 12:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

If you want to give you child a good start in life, get him/her out of the public school system and into a good private school. It'll cost you, but your child, in the long run, will greatly benefit.

#48 | Posted by MSgt at 2020-01-24 12:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I don't blame educators, I blame the progressive agenda controlling government to shove without warrant ideas that simply don't matter.

Reading this sentence should make you blame yours...holy hell.

#49 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-24 12:48 PM | Reply

Because the majority of the teachers, even in red states are libbies.

#47 | Posted by MSgt

Then they should be on equal standing...

Are righties showing up here to intentionally prove the point that poor academic performance is a long running problem?

#50 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-24 12:49 PM | Reply

If you want to give you child a good start in life, get him/her out of the public school system and into a good private school. It'll cost you, but your child, in the long run, will greatly benefit.

#48 | Posted by MSgt

Pure garbage.

Take an active role in your child's education and even a mediocre public school will be just fine.

#51 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-24 12:50 PM | Reply

If it's liberals fault, why are the students in Red States so far behind the students in Blue States?
#46 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT
Because the majority of the teachers, even in red states are libbies.
#47 | POSTED BY MSGT

Blue States have more liberal teachers.
Blue States are doing better than Red States.

So according to MSGT, we need more liberal teachers.

Thank you for admitting Conservatives can't be trusted to do anything. It takes a lot to admit how worthless you are and I respect you so much for doing it.

#52 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-01-24 01:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If you want to give you child a good start in life, get him/her out of the public school system and into a good private school. It'll cost you, but your child, in the long run, will greatly benefit.

#48 | POSTED BY MSGT

Absolutely. Many private schools are better than Public Schools. Not all, but many.

The average private high school costs are $13,000 to $25,000 per year. The lower end is for religious schools that also get income from their church units. So they tend to get closer to $20,000 per student when that's added in.
The average public high school gets $12,000 per student nationwide.

Private Schools also don't have as many special needs kids who use up far more resources than the average $12,000 per year. So they can spend their resources on the mainstream kids.

So really, we are looking at closer to $9,000 per student in public high schools versus $15,000 to $20,000 in private high schools.

So we need to spend far more than Republicans want to on public schools if we want them to be as good as the private schools.

So thank you for admitting Republicans are incompetent yet again. I appreciate it.

#53 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-01-24 01:18 PM | Reply

Thank you for admitting Conservatives can't be trusted to do anything. It takes a lot to admit how worthless you are and I respect you so much for doing it.

#52 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2020-01-24 01:08 PM | FLAG: Think they are doing such a great job, then I guess you've never googled how our students stack up against those in other countries.

How American Students Truly Rank in International Testing observer.com

media.newyorker.com

#54 | Posted by MSgt at 2020-01-24 01:20 PM | Reply

#53 This is the problem with blue state and red state comparisons - they are binary when the states are a mix of red-blooded and blue-blooded Americans.

In Michigan, students in red Oakland County perform better than students in blue Wayne county.

These blue/red state comparisons are WAY too simplistic to the point that they are almost meaningless.

#55 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-24 01:20 PM | Reply

#53 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

Actually, public schools cost more than private schools on a per student basis. However, the reason for that is public schools are required to provide busing. Most private schools don't offer busing.

#56 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-24 01:22 PM | Reply

No one's going to be a better teacher because he or she supports Donald Trump.

#57 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-24 01:26 PM | Reply

However, the reason for that is public schools are required to provide busing

#56 | Posted by JeffJ at

The reason for that is because public schools are required to educate everyone.

#58 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-24 01:27 PM | Reply

There's always The Derek Zoolander Center for Kids Who Can't Read Good.

#59 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2020-01-24 01:33 PM | Reply

Is the rightwing argument in this thread really "teachers are liberals, and liberals are stupid?"

Surely you realize longterm education outcomes are far more complex than that...or maybe you don't?

#60 | Posted by JOE at 2020-01-24 01:38 PM | Reply

-However, the reason for that is public schools are required to provide busing.

Maybe some states but not Kansas. I know public school systems who do not bus kids.

#61 | Posted by eberly at 2020-01-24 01:44 PM | Reply

Actually, public schools cost more than private schools on a per student basis. However, the reason for that is public schools are required to provide busing. Most private schools don't offer busing.

#56 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2020-01-24 01:22 PM | FLAG: Also, so much of the public budget from both the Fed and states goes to bureaucracy, teachers pensions and the like.

#62 | Posted by MSgt at 2020-01-24 05:03 PM | Reply

#53 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT
Actually, public schools cost more than private schools on a per student basis. However, the reason for that is public schools are required to provide busing. Most private schools don't offer busing.
#56 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

You'd think that...

But per pupil allocation of funds for public schools is less than the tuition per pupil in private schools when also accounting for other funding for religious schools.

The money don't lie.

#63 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-01-24 05:08 PM | Reply

I don't know if this is addressed in the article (didn't read, maybe will read later as time allows), but sometimes these comparative studies are off track because we test all students in the US whereas other countries test those students who are university-bound because they start students on vocational tracks earlier in life. I'm not saying that's what's happening here, but it is at least worth considering who makes up the sample sizes.

For example, in Wisconsin, Rotary International Exchange students are required to take the ACT (along with all other juniors in the state) because the state decided to use the ACT to measure school's progress. Since the Rotary students are enrolled, they get no extra accommodations for language proficiency or fluency yet are included in all the scores that a district would have to report out on.

#64 | Posted by dylanfan at 2020-01-24 05:30 PM | Reply

One thing that has been happening in schools is a lack of accountability. When I was in school if I did not turn an assignment in on time I got a zero. And whatever grade I scored on a test was the grade I got.

Today there are public schools where students get multiple chances to retake tests and are allowed to continually turn assignments in late.

Students are also graduating high school who never had to write a term paper. Some can not even write a coherent paragraph.

Go see for yourselves. Talk to teachers and ask them about test and aasignment grades.

If you do not believe that school districts do not follow national guidines en masse then ask yourself why did so many schools drop teaching cursive almost simultaneously.

It is beyond a money problem. It is beyond a red state blue state problem.

A student's psyche is more important than getting held accountable for failure. National and state testing results are more important to the powers that be than kids learning to think for themselves.

But don't rely on me or anyone else or some google search. Go yourself and talk to teachers from elementary thru college.

Some will even tell you that problems started trickling in as far back as the 1980's.

Ask some college professors what they have noticed in the reading and writing ability of incoming freshman.

Throwing money at it will not fix it.

#65 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2020-01-24 10:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"#65 | POSTED BY IDEPENDANT97"

Well written post. And you are absolutely correct. There are a lot of teachers and retired teachers in my family and extended family. I have been hearing the very same thing from them for 20 or 30 years now. But their hands are tied by the state on what they can and can't do. Parents no longer hold their darlings responsible for their failures. They blame the teachers. It's a sad situation. I'm glad I'll be gone when these seeds that are now being planted in our schools come to fruition in society.

#66 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-24 10:39 PM | Reply

The only way to get better at reading is to read. I'm not surprised students today don't read better than they did 20 years ago, because students tend to read a lot less outside of school nowadays than they did 20 years ago. Friends of mine who are college professors have had to scale back the amount of reading they have students do each semester, because students these days don't like to read and can't read as much, as quickly, as students in the past.

#67 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-01-24 11:29 PM | Reply

It's technology. Kids don't read books anymore. Video games, FB, Twitter, etc. Abbreviations, grammar police shunned. The Covfefe syndrome.
#30 | Posted by willowby

Yes, I think this is a big part of the problem.

#68 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-01-24 11:30 PM | Reply

"Friends of mine who are college professors have had to scale back the amount of reading they have students do each semester, because students these days don't like to read and can't read as much, as quickly, as students in the past.

POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY "

Sounds like the college professors have to bear some of the blame for dumbing down their courses. If the students can't keep up with the same curriculum as 20 years earlier, they fail. The teachers should not be dumbing down their courses

#69 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-24 11:31 PM | Reply

Students don't write as well either, and for the same reason: to write well you have to write, and firing off a bunch of Twitter and text messages doesn't count.

#70 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-01-24 11:42 PM | Reply

Students don't read as much, as quickly, but they also don't read as well. Meaning they don't comprehend and retain what they read. By assigning less books, the hope is that students will actually read, and read more carefully, the ones assigned.

#71 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-01-24 11:53 PM | Reply

#70 the problems began long before social media I am afraid. Not that what you say isn't true.

Like I said in #65, students are not held accountable for their grades like they used to be. I can not even comprehend allowing students to turn in work late constantly and to allow continual retaking of tests.

Not making students even do ONE term paper in high school?

And firing off texts and posts to snapchat only makes things worse. But teachers aren't allowed to fail students who can't write.

Redardless of cell phones and technology and social media students should not be able to graduate if they can not even write a coherent paragraph much less a basic essay.

Heck kids graduate today and don't know the multiplication tables we learned in 3rd grade when I was growing up.

It began long before social media and texting etc. Technology just made it worse.

#72 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2020-01-24 11:53 PM | Reply

Can you imagine one of today's college students getting through this syllabus, in one semester?

www.openculture.com

#73 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-01-24 11:55 PM | Reply

"It began long before social media and texting etc. Technology just made it worse."

Apparently a lot of students don't like to read books. Especially not long books, or difficult ones. Maybe it's the Donald Trump syndrome on a national level: students have short attention spans, which I do think is tied to technology, and like pictures/images more than words.

#74 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-01-25 12:04 AM | Reply

#73 Friend of mine was a Freshman college professor of English and Argument. He finally quit because he was informed by the university that he wasn't giving out enough A's. He was one of the few that was not dumbing down his requirements.

In the early 2000's he had to take time and teach how to write an essay since many students did not learn how in high school. By the late 2000's he was having to teach many kids how to write just a basic paragraph.

But then the university stepped in and said he was making too many red marks on the essays and not giving out enough A's. After all, it could affect funding from the state if too many students failed!

This mirrored my mom who taught elementary for over three decades. She ultimately quit because she was not allowed to actually teach. And this was in the 90's teaching honors students. She was also told that she shouldn't hand out failing grades on assignments and exams.

#75 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2020-01-25 12:05 AM | Reply

#74 Again the short attention span is part of it. But teachers are forced to cater to that problem rather than trying to address that problem.

And yeah... Moving pictures etc that started with MTV and then video games and then the internet coupled with PARENTS who used television, video games and the internet as baby sitters only added to the problems of what was happening in schools.

Why would a kid want to read? Look at the environments the kids are in at home anf school.

#76 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2020-01-25 12:09 AM | Reply

--Maybe it's the Donald Trump syndrome

lol. You can always count on a deranged leftist to blame Trump for virtually anything. Never mind this is a decades-long problem. Pitiful.

#77 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-01-25 12:17 AM | Reply

You can always count on a deranged leftist to blame Trump for virtually anything.

I've been blaming him for your brain damage for three years now.

#78 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-25 12:18 AM | Reply

The trend is away from a liberal arts education toward a college education that will get you a job. Reading (literature) and writing term papers aren't seen as something that will get you a good job and so are seen as a waste of time (and money) by students and their parents, college boards of directors and I guess ultimately by businesses themselves.

#79 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-01-25 12:21 AM | Reply

"--Maybe it's the Donald Trump syndrome
lol. You can always count on a deranged leftist to blame Trump for virtually anything. Never mind this is a decades-long problem. Pitiful."

Please. I know you can read and comprehend better than that. I didn't blame Trump. I said today's students have something in common with him. He probably didn't like to read in college either. We know he doesn't like to read now.

#80 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-01-25 12:24 AM | Reply

"Why would a kid want to read? Look at the environments the kids are in at home anf school."

I'm not sure what you mean by this comment. One of the reasons I liked to read was because I could be mentally transported somewhere else, sometime else, as someone else. Some call that escapism. Others see it as a broadening of one's horizons.

#81 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-01-25 12:29 AM | Reply

#81 What I mean by the kid's environment is that many kids aren't encouraged to read at home and would rather play video games or hang out on social media and the school environment where they aren't encouraged to read or write well. Their environments do not encourage reading.

#82 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2020-01-25 12:48 AM | Reply

Again what really blows my mind is how kids have no concept of accountability in school for getting assignments done on time nor being held accountable for poor exam grades. Not in every school but certainly in many public schools.

Again...go talk to school teachers.

The problems are way beyond red state blue state.

Gal_Tuesday you are also bringing up great pointd btw.

#83 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2020-01-25 12:55 AM | Reply

"Their environments do not encourage reading."

Yes, I agree. Our culture today doesn't encourage reading or an inner life. Our culture encourages a reality TV mentality. It's all about activity/action, (melo)drama and being seen. Doing rather than being. Speed. Not a lot of balance.

#84 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-01-25 12:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Wanna see something scary that is a result of what you and I have been saying?


Schools Took Away Students' Phones. Now They're Treating Separation Anxiety.

Compromises include letting young people see their devices from afar or hold them in a locked pouch.

Before class each day, a high-school teacher in Indianapolis grabs a clear plastic bag and fastens it to her waist with a ribbon. The homemade pouch is a repository for phones that are either confiscated or handed over voluntarily by students who don't want to be tempted to tap or swipe during class.

She calls it the "phoney pack," and the magic of the makeshift vault isn't that it keeps devices out of reach. It's that it lowers students' anxiety by keeping their phones in view.

drudge.com


Of course my kid's school just let the kids keep their phones. They don't even bother trying to take them. But that above story is so sad...the kids actually go into withdrawal symptoms. And the teachers cater to it.

#85 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2020-01-25 01:05 AM | Reply

"Again what really blows my mind is how kids have no concept of accountability in school for getting assignments done on time nor being held accountable for poor exam grades."

I have one friend who has complained about students coming up to him and asking him if they can do something for "extra credit" to improve their grade. He gets frustrated by that and thinks, "Why didn't you do a good job on the assignments--or just do the assignments--in the first place?"

#86 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-01-25 01:07 AM | Reply

"Schools Took Away Students' Phones. Now They're Treating Separation Anxiety"

It's worse than I thought.

There is no hope for this country's future..

#87 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-25 01:10 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#85 Wow. But it isn't just kids. Look at the impeachment hearings. McConnell had to make a rule that Senators couldn't bring in their phones. I bet there are at least a few who are experiencing anxiety and withdrawal as a result.

#88 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-01-25 01:12 AM | Reply

And note that I am not talking about every single school. Some are much better than others. But there is a trend that stretches forth riding on the wings of the educational recommendations coming from the national level by people's whose pockets are lined by the mega super rich who want kids to become obedient workers incapable of independant thought.

#89 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2020-01-25 01:53 AM | Reply

Our culture seems to make heroes of people who succeed without education, if they need someone smart to help they bring in a nerd. Most kids don't want to be considered nerds, we'd have far more success if our kids did want to be nerd. American needs as many nerds as we can create so that we won't have to import them as we are now doing.

#90 | Posted by danni at 2020-01-25 11:01 AM | Reply

Tfd,

The way I wrote "so why bother learning" didn't work.

I didn't mean to say "schools teach not to bother learning".

I meant to say kids are picking up the message the government is obligated to take care of them.

So..the take away is not to worry about their own future and how they will survive ie....why bother learning?

Ok...back to my idea that America's education culture is a major part of the difference between the US and other countries and not simply how much money is spent.

I have to suspect there might be a strange mechanism going on with some kids, especially minorities.

I'm not being racist. I'm asking a question.

I am coming from the angle I have seen some of the strangest attitudes and beliefs be considered racist by minorities that I really disagree with. Some things are called "racist" that simply aren't to me.

My question...is this constant victim-hood status being perpetuated on minority children so they will remain faithful Democrats, and see Republicans as out to get them, contributing to this apparently decade after decade never ending failure to thrive within the black culture.

Lastly, is applying themselves and studying and getting "good grades" considered conforming to the white man's world?

From what I've read improving your grades doesn't help social standing within minority cultures.

I really believe our own cultures in the US are sabotaging the future of our own children for ulterior motives having little to do with learning.

#91 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-01-25 11:06 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"From what I've read improving your grades doesn't help social standing within minority cultures."

It doesn't help in white populations either. Most schools are integrated so the pecking order isn't determined by race any more in most places. Popularity is more important than achievenment, it's always been this way to a point but today's kids would almost prever to fail than to be accused of being a nerd who "sucks up" to teachers, etc. I honestly think our media makes heroes out of people who aren't good role models and our kids are emulating them to an extent.

#92 | Posted by danni at 2020-01-25 11:52 AM | Reply

Danni,

"I honestly think our media makes heroes out of people who aren't good role models and our kids are emulating them to an extent."

100% agree!!!

Been going on since Hollywood took over setting American values.

Radio...TV...Music....

The celebrity worship and emulation is strange.

#93 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-01-25 12:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Danni,

"Most schools are integrated so the pecking order isn't determined by race any more in most places. Popularity is more important than achievement"

Sounds like a good argument for defending private schools.

#94 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-01-25 12:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1


Most cannot find the subject and verb in a sentence longer than eight words. Why? Because many American public schools use a "reader-writer workshop" method of writing instruction that completely skips grammar. In these workshops, students and teachers sit in a circle, play the roles of reader and writer, and give encouraging feedback to essays written on the most inconsequential of personal topics. Lucy Calkins of Columbia University's Teachers College invented this approach, which has spread widely in American public schools since the 1980s.

That method cheats everyone through its rigid insistence that expressiveness is all that matters, and the skills in the basics of capitalization and periods don't matter.

www.jamesgmartin.center

#95 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2020-01-25 12:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

--That method cheats everyone through its rigid insistence that expressiveness is all that matters, and the skills in the basics of capitalization and periods don't matter.

#CorrectEnglishSoWhite

#96 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-01-25 12:23 PM | Reply

Professor says grading, good grammar are examples of white supremacy

www.thecollegefix.com

#97 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-01-25 12:26 PM | Reply


Standards based grading would mean a student is not penalized for late work. A student could hand work in anytime during the quarter and receive full credit. Meeting the standard and proving that she has that knowledge and ability is our priority- not when she turned something in. We say high school is to prepare students for the "real world"; the argument has been brought forth that not allowing students to turn late work in is not like the real world at all. In the real world I can pay my bill late, I can come to a meeting late, I can pay the mortgage late. Therefore, not allowing students to turn work in late is actually much more severe than the real world. Or so the argument goes.

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It seems they'll just go from one coddling system to another. My son gets decent grades, between a 3.7 and a 3.8, but I sometimes scratch my head at this---mostly because he hands so much of his work in late, he goes to school late, and he often forgets to study for tests and flunks them. Yet with this system, he does ok. I am left confused as a parent because while there are definitely signs of problems here, his grades say otherwise, and it is hard to push him to do more work, study harder, get things done on time, when he feels like he's doing fine now.


www.thelifeofbon.com

#98 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2020-01-25 01:32 PM | Reply

They aren't getting better because they don't read outside of school and their parents allow it to happen.

#99 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-01-25 01:41 PM | Reply

Too many phones...learning is uncool...culture of ignorance through media...
Thanks Capitalism!!!

#100 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-01-25 02:09 PM | Reply

Oh and Bill J. for your nonsense about how folks don't want to learn because they believe the Government will just take care of them.
All those Socialist countries are kicking our ass in education.
They're the ones who realize that an educated populace is their greatest asset.

#101 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-01-25 02:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The celebrity worship and emulation is strange."

You voted for one, BillJohnson.

#102 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-25 06:22 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

No...I voted against one.

#103 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-01-25 10:19 PM | Reply

Snoofy,
No...I voted against one.

POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2020-01-25 10:19 PM | REPLY

You had to vote FOR someone to vote against another.

#104 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-25 11:07 PM | Reply

Snoofy,
No...I voted against one.

POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2020-01-25 10:19 PM | REPLY

You had to vote FOR someone to vote against another.

#105 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-25 11:07 PM | Reply

#105 This sounds eerily similar to arguments Corky and you had in 2016, Laura.

#106 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-01-26 09:17 AM | Reply

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