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Friday, January 24, 2020

Amanda Marcotte: In liberal, politically plugged-in circles, it is an article of faith that if only Democrats did something different, they would do better at winning political battles. Dinner parties, social media, online chats, listservs, coffee hour: All are consumed routinely by discussion of what tweak to Democratic messaging would unlock all the political victories that we know belong to us.

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Agree with one exception.

The only thing Republicans respond to is power. Even if some have pangs of conscience, and I have to imagine they do, they are stifling any remaining care for our democratic values and wholeheartedly running toward the siren call of authoritarianism. They are lost. They aren't coming back.

This is incorrect. They also respond to money.

For your average righty that goes along with this that's the only thing they can hope for as they'll never have power.

But they can have money.

#1 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-24 10:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Redemption, surprised that libbieshave heard of the word and I am sure that their version of it isn't quite what it actually means.

#2 | Posted by MSgt at 2020-01-24 12:43 PM | Reply

#2 | Posted by MSgt at 2020-01-24 12:43 PM

Whatever sins Trump commits you wash in them.

One day you'll have to hide this part of your life from your grand children.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-24 01:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Redemption, surprised that libbieshave heard of the word and I am sure that their version of it isn't quite what it actually means."

Funny part being that you think you do know what it means. Intellectually you could google it and repeat back the exact words but emotionally, it's so far out of your reach that you'll never grasp the actual meaning.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2020-01-24 01:32 PM | Reply

The writer is correct. I have to say, before Trump I had always believed that facts and reason, if presented effectively, would prevail over the long term. But it's clear that for a certain segment of the population, logic is not enough to overcome emotional attachment.

Trumpers have bought the entire package their brash, authoritarian idol has given them. They have true faith and shall not be moved. Like religion-based extremism, fascism, or any other purist cult, Trumpism requires that its adherents stop thinking critically. The leader is not to be questioned. Maybe this dogmatic description doesn't apply to every person who votes for Trump, but it fits a good many.

I'm not sure where we go from here.

#5 | Posted by cbob at 2020-01-24 01:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

I'm not sure where we go from here.

#5 | POSTED BY CBOB

Win the next election.

#6 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-24 02:00 PM | Reply

#6 doesn't address the issue.

All that would do is give four more years of distorted nonsense to Republicans to push harder right against.

#7 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-24 02:05 PM | Reply

#6 doesn't address the issue.

Sure it does. If "Trumpism" is the problem, the best way to deal with that is vote Trump out of office.

#8 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-24 02:08 PM | Reply

#5.
journals.plos.org
Seriously.

#9 | Posted by YAV at 2020-01-24 02:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#8 - Trump's not the problem. He's a manifestation of the problem.

#10 | Posted by YAV at 2020-01-24 02:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 8

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#10 thank you.

I wondered why he only addressed the least significant line of the post.

#11 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-24 02:13 PM | Reply

#6 If Republicans are indeed "beyond redemption" (which i agree with), then Dems "winning the next election" as you recommend doesn't suddenly make them redeemable.

#12 | Posted by JOE at 2020-01-24 02:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#10 | POSTED BY YAV

Yup.
Just imagine when someone who can actually speak coherently and doesn't have a bad spray tan with toilet paper stuck to his shoe comes along, ready to stoke these loons into a frenzy.

#13 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2020-01-24 02:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump's not the problem. He's a manifestation of the problem.
#10 | POSTED BY YAV

Spot on.

Well said.

#14 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-24 02:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If we're irredeemable, what's the plan?

#15 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-01-24 02:26 PM | Reply

If the Jackass party wants to win the next election, they need to offer something better. Seems that every candidate running is completely tone death. Nothing they are prepossessing is resonating with anyone but the far left. The Jackass party has learned nothing sense they put McGovern up. Get woke, go broke.

#16 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-01-24 02:29 PM | Reply

If we're irredeemable, what's the plan?
#15 |

Cast you into the Cracks Of Doom.

#17 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2020-01-24 02:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Personally, it's difficult for me to blame conservatives for not supporting the establishment GOP candidates and wanting an anti-establishment candidate.

What's easy to blame them for is now turning a blind eye to the mistake they made thinking that Donald Trump was that candidate; that he ever gave one thought to them or to his country rather than to himself and his bank account. He's proven beyond any reasonable doubt that he is an incredibly poor excuse for both a person and a President.

These conservatives are beyond redemption; having supported him, they now refuse to recognize their mistake and make themselves accessories to his rank criminal and antisocial behavior.

#18 | Posted by Corky at 2020-01-24 02:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If the Jackass party wants to win the next election, they need to offer something better.
#16 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

By better, what do you mean?
Decent?
Intelligent?
Fair minded?
Inclusive?

#19 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2020-01-24 02:32 PM | Reply

If the Jackass party wants to win the next election, they need to offer something better.
#16 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

Unfortunately for them, they're stuck with Trump.

#20 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-24 02:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

19

By better, he means someone people are motivated on election day to show up and vote for.

Decent, Intelligent, fair minded, and inclusive are qualities that, quite frankly, are optional.

You might say the bar isn't set all that high.......

#21 | Posted by eberly at 2020-01-24 02:34 PM | Reply

Just imagine when someone who can actually speak coherently and doesn't have a bad spray tan with toilet paper stuck to his shoe comes along, ready to stoke these loons into a frenzy.

#13 | POSTED BY SCHIFFERBRAINS

This has always been my worry.

It's a guarantee that there's another Trump like person out there with better self control, more intelligence and patience who's taking notes through all of this.

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-24 02:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If we're irredeemable, what's the plan?
#15 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

You're the one who needs a plan, idiot.

Unless you're asking what the plan is to govern around your intransigence. In which case, there are many plans.

#23 | Posted by JOE at 2020-01-24 02:36 PM | Reply

#8 - Trump's not the problem. He's a manifestation of the problem.

#10 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2020-01-24 02:11 PM | FLAG:

You're absolutely right. I should have made myself clearer. We have a problem regardless of whether a Democrat manages to get elected president in 2020. There's a poison in the Republican Party like I've never witnessed, and I honestly don't know what the cure is.

#24 | Posted by cbob at 2020-01-24 02:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Joe, what do you think irredeemable means? If you believe it to be true what is your plan? Extremists have a way of not tolerating dissenters.

#25 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-01-24 02:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Extremists have a way of not tolerating dissenters.
#25 |

Like threatening to put their head on a pike, should they dissent.

#26 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2020-01-24 02:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If you believe it to be true what is your plan?

Why should i have a plan to deal with irredeemables, as opposed to them having a plan for seeking out redemption?

And like i said, my plan would be to govern around them. And there are specific plans for that. Do you need to have them read to you?

#27 | Posted by JOE at 2020-01-24 02:59 PM | Reply

You're absolutely right. I should have made myself clearer.
#24 | POSTED BY CBOB

Your #6 was well written.

Jeff has a habit of missing the forest for the trees.

#28 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-24 03:07 PM | Reply

Redemption is for the redeemable. A large portion of your fellow countrymen have been determined to be irredeemable. Some of them might object to that classification.

#29 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-01-24 03:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#28 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

And, like a typical conservative, his only concern is that his tribe is "winning" and the future and direction of the country does not cross his radar. Just like this impeachment. Conservatives don't even bother talking about "right" and "wrong" any more. Or "the truth". It is all tribal. They say that Trump should get off because of their perceived flaws in how Dems impeached him. It doesn't matter to them what precedents Trump is setting with this behavior, or how adversely those precedents will affect the future of this country.

#30 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2020-01-24 03:20 PM | Reply

What a fool. Plonk Zed like I did. Not only can you avoid his stupidity.

Posted by 101Chairborne at

Because CHAIRBORNE has plonked me he'll never know how much I love him.

#31 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-24 03:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Some of them might object to that classification.

#29 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Poor little snowflakes might get their feelings hurt.

And then vote for Trump again out of spite.

Again... this is the exact reason people say that conservatives are irredeemable. Because they are little children holding a toy above their head saying "give me what I want, or I will break it and BOTH of us will lose". The problem is the 44% of the country has the maturity of a five year old.

Luckily they are mostly boomers, so we just have to wait for them to die out and then we won't have to deal with their childish tantrums anymore.

#32 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2020-01-24 03:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

A large portion of your fellow countrymen have been determined to be irredeemable. Some of them might object to that classification.

They can object all they want. I object to them burning down our democracy. If they're bothered by a private citizen's classification of them I couldn't give a ----.

#33 | Posted by JOE at 2020-01-24 03:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#33

Democrats better give a ---- because if they don't try to persuade people to vote for them they will lose.

On a separate note - an awful lot of broad brushing on this thread.

#34 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-24 03:52 PM | Reply

Democrats better give a ---- because if they don't try to persuade people to vote for them they will lose.

I love how people demand Dems do this, and in the same breath are going to nominate and elect a rapist game show host president who literally makes no effort to bridge the divide in this country whatsoever.

#35 | Posted by JOE at 2020-01-24 04:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Your tribe has a history of eliminating the opposition, those they can't "redeem".

#36 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-01-24 04:35 PM | Reply

Cool. Who cares?

#37 | Posted by JOE at 2020-01-24 04:37 PM | Reply

I'm not demanding anything.

I'm pointing out that if Democrats fail to nominate someone with broad appeal they are probably going to lose.

Telling 40% of the country that they are pieces of human filth isn't going to win any of their votes.

#38 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-24 04:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

No candidate is saying that. And if you base your vote on whether a random person was mean to you online, you probably can't be helped.

#39 | Posted by JOE at 2020-01-24 04:54 PM | Reply

#39 Hillary Clinton said it in 2016.

#40 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-24 04:55 PM | Reply

I said "is"

#41 | Posted by JOE at 2020-01-24 04:59 PM | Reply

Telling 40% of the country that they are pieces of human filth isn't going to win any of their votes.

#38 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

It was closer to 30%...

But I get what you are saying: You want us to lie.

#42 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-01-24 05:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Win the next election.

#6 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Don't lie and cheat.

#43 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-01-24 05:13 PM | Reply

I'm beginning to think at least part of the solution is a more concerted effort to build new political parties. Maybe we need some coalitions, some consensus building, some grownups. Right now there's too much power in too few arrogant hands.

#44 | Posted by cbob at 2020-01-24 05:29 PM | Reply

But I get what you are saying: You want us to lie.

#42 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

Worse. Validate their views as normal.

#45 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-24 07:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I used to think the Democratic Party was the party of spineless jellyfish.
Looks like they got that moniker taken from them by the Russiapublicans.

#46 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2020-01-25 01:59 AM | Reply

If Trump were to shoot a member of his base through the head on Fifth Avenue, congressional Republicans likely would suggest that he had some motive that was in the national interest. Consequently, there is no way the Senate will prolong the impeachment trial to Super Bowl Sunday - - which is the worst outcomeTrump really has to fear from these proceedings.

The best the world can hope for is that American voters will, once again, roundly reject Trump, and that this time - - somehow - - the Electoral College will match their choice. The Electoral College cannot save Republican senators, however.

#47 | Posted by nimbleswitch at 2020-01-25 05:08 AM | Reply

NIMBLE

America has a history of surprising us by righting it's own ship of state at the last minute.

How many times have we said "Wow, we dodged the bullet on that one, didn't we?"

#48 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-01-25 05:19 AM | Reply

The Electoral College cannot save Republican senators, however.

No, but malapportionment will probably protect their "majority."

#49 | Posted by JOE at 2020-01-25 06:22 AM | Reply

Republicans?

What does that mean eactly?

So far as I can tell, there are no Republicans any more. Only Republicans.

Trump could go full Bernie Sanders on economics, full Bloomberg on gun control, and full Cortez on the environment. The Republicans would still treat it as if it was the greatest things since sliced bread...since it came from Trump.

At least the Dems can still claim some ideological diversity and independence.

#50 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-01-25 06:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

since it came from Trump

#50 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-01-25 06:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

If we survive this the ability of such a bragging, foul-tempered, sexually amoral, uneducated, thieving, cheating, lying, greedy, cowardly, stupid man to command the loyalty of millions is going to command research and investigation for decades.

#51 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-25 09:18 AM | Reply

Zed,

"One day you'll have to hide this part of your life from your grand children."

You think so?

The American public has a short memory span.

The Trump era will become just another chapter in a history book.

You're giving either Trump or the American public more credit than they're worth.

America will move on to bigger issues like maybe a total collapse of the economy.

You think anyone will be talking about Trump except maybe to say when Trump left office public confidence in the economy imploded.

#52 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-01-25 11:59 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

#52 | Posted by BillJohnson

Jesus wept, yer a f**king moron.

Ever hear of Richard Nixon?

LOL!!!

#53 | Posted by Angrydad at 2020-01-25 06:49 PM | Reply

You think anyone will be talking about Trump except maybe to say when Trump left office public confidence in the economy imploded.

#52 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2

First of all, Trump is a parasite. Nothing good depends on him.

But I do take part of your point. George W. Bush was so, so bad that he's hardly spoken of any more. I can remember a time when the Right was quite fanatical about him. Now no one admits voting for him. He's an eccentric painter now enjoying history's contempt for him. When he dies, the nation will mourn for him five minutes; less I think.

IF WE ARE LUCKY, Donald Trump will serve much the same fate as Bush. Except for this: I imagine a massive concrete slab will have to be poured atop his casket to keep the people hurt by him from desecrating his corpse.

#54 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-26 08:29 AM | Reply

Ever hear of Richard Nixon?
LOL!!!

#53 | POSTED BY ANGRYDAD

No he hasn't. He is a conservative. They ignore history that they find inconvenient.

#55 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2020-01-26 09:57 AM | Reply

IF the Republicans do not allow documents and witnesses and Trump escapes the TRUTH, investigations MUST continue in the House. In fact, there is nothing preventing the House from subpoenaing the witnesses to testify in committees RIGHT NOW in advance of the next and repeated impeachment trials. Even if Trump is not removed this time, more and more impeachments MUST occur now and through his second term.

#56 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2020-01-26 10:08 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#56 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2

I do understand you are likely being satirical.

However, there is nothing the least bit wrong about making another attempt to fire the child care worker who is also a molester.

#57 | Posted by Zed at 2020-01-26 10:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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