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Monday, January 27, 2020

In 5-4 ruling, Supreme Court allows Trump plan to deny green cards to those who may need gov't aid DHS said last year that it would expand the definition of "public charge" to be applied to people whose immigration to the U.S. could be denied because of a concern that they would primarily depend on the federal assistance.

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This is a terrible policy. A friend of mine married a Canadian woman a couple years back. She's trying to get her green card. He got laid off a couple months ago from a job he was at for about 5 years but his lawyer is advising him to not apply for unemployment benefits because under Trump's policy her green card application could be denied. And since she can't work in the US until she receives her green card they currently have no income.

#1 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-01-27 04:01 PM | Reply

Under this policy, J.K. Rowling would've been deported.

#2 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-01-27 04:08 PM | Reply

Unlikely, because she never lived in the US while collecting benefits.

#3 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-01-27 04:46 PM | Reply

"Unlikely, because she never lived in the US while collecting benefits."

My point is, good people who are just down on their luck are SOL. Not exactly living up to Emma Lazerus's words on the Statue of Liberty, are we?

#4 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-01-27 04:50 PM | Reply

#4,

This is the land of opportunity, not hand out.

#5 | Posted by boaz at 2020-01-27 04:50 PM | Reply

If you want a hand out, go to a church, not the treasury.

#6 | Posted by boaz at 2020-01-27 04:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"If you want a hand out, go to a church"

If you believe churches can handle all the needy people in America, you need to take a math class.

#7 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-01-27 04:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Churches were never meant to be charities... except by tight rwingers who don't want the majority in the country to decide that we should help those that actually need it.

#8 | Posted by Corky at 2020-01-27 04:59 PM | Reply

#1 my wife does not yet have a green card but she did get a permit to work. I don't know all the details, a lawyer was/is involved, but it can be done.

#9 | Posted by Charliecharles at 2020-01-27 05:05 PM | Reply

If you want a hand out, go to a church, not the treasury.

POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2020-01-27 04:51 PM | REPLY

WRONG The sole job of the government is to take care of the populace at large. FULL STOP.

#10 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-27 05:05 PM | Reply

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Everytime I went to church they asked ME for money, not the other way around.

#11 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-01-27 05:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

WRONG The sole job of the government is to take care of the populace at large. FULL STOP.

#10 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-27 05:05 PM | Reply (X) The sole job of government is to create conditions so that even a miscreant like you could get a job. It's been accomplished.

#12 | Posted by Spork at 2020-01-27 07:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Everytime I went to church they asked ME for money, not the other way around.

I thought you said that they took you to the rectory basement, you know, for "guidance".

#13 | Posted by Spork at 2020-01-27 07:25 PM | Reply

WRONG The sole job of the government is to take care of the populace at large. FULL STOP.

Are you kidding? The only one responsible for taking care of you is YOU. It's not the government's job to "take care" of anyone.

Wow. I'm speechless there's even people in the country that think like this. To think that it's someone else's job to take care of them.

Wow.

#14 | Posted by boaz at 2020-01-27 09:02 PM | Reply

You have no right to someone else's money. None whatsoever.

But it all makes sense. That's why Democrats/Liberals/communists hate private property so much. You cant force someone to give it to them without it being a crime.

#15 | Posted by boaz at 2020-01-27 09:07 PM | Reply

The only one responsible for taking care of you is YOU. It's not the government's job to "take care" of anyone.

And you would be where now, without the government?

#16 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-01-27 09:16 PM | Reply

You have no right to someone else's money. None whatsoever.
But it all makes sense. That's why Democrats/Liberals/communists hate private property so much. You cant force someone to give it to them without it being a crime.

POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2020-01-27 09:07 PM | REPLY

Says the guy who lives on a pension paid for from other peoples money(Tax Payers) BTW I think you deserve it but that's not the issue at hand.

#17 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-27 09:26 PM | Reply

And you would be where now, without the government?

I was well on my way to graduating from college if I hadnt joined the military.

BTW I think you deserve it but that's not the issue at hand.

Actually it is. You seem to think equating my 20+ years of service in a contract I signed with the United States government TO DO A JOB. This didnt happen just because I was a citizen for no reason. It's a disingenuous point to make and neither have anything to do with each other and you know it.

#18 | Posted by boaz at 2020-01-27 09:34 PM | Reply

"He got laid off a couple months ago from a job he was at for about 5 years but his lawyer is advising him to not apply for unemployment benefits because under Trump's policy her green card application could be denied."

This sounds like bad lawyer advice to me. Unemployment benefits are not means-tested government aid. Maybe he meant that your friend should find another job ASAP being cause being unemployed as her sponsor could adversely affect her application (unless he's got tons of savings or other income), but I can assure you that long predates any of Trump's policies.

I never used a lawyer when I brought my wife to the U.S. ten years ago, and I wouldn't use one now either.

#19 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-01-27 10:09 PM | Reply

Are you kidding? The only one responsible for taking care of you is YOU. It's not the government's job to "take care" of anyone.

Wow. I'm speechless there's even people in the country that think like this. To think that it's someone else's job to take care of them.

Wow.

#14 | POSTED BY BOAZ

While you are speechless you can still type fortunately(or unfortunately)

Regardless, I need to ask...

What about victims of natural disasters. Who have lost everything. Is the government responsible for taking care of the people who cannot take care of themselves?

Is that ok? Is it the government's job to help them?

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-01-27 10:18 PM | Reply

If you want a hand-out, run for office. Your hand will be out at all times asking people for money. What a bunch of hypocritical ---------. These -------- are really good at hurting people.

#21 | Posted by uncle_meat at 2020-01-27 10:52 PM | Reply

You have no right to someone else's money. None whatsoever.
But it all makes sense. That's why Democrats/Liberals/communists hate private property so much. You cant force someone to give it to them without it being a crime.
POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2020-01-27 09:07 PM | REPLY

You the one suckling on uncle sam's teat.

You can't even make this stuff up. ... '

#22 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-01-27 11:24 PM | Reply

If you want a hand out, go to a church, not the treasury.

#6 | POSTED BY comrade BOAZO

You've been suckling off the government teat your whole life you lowlife racist redneck. Stop being a hypocrite you anti-American POS!

#23 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2020-01-27 11:53 PM | Reply

"You seem to think equating my 20+ years of service in a contract I signed with the United States government TO DO A JOB."

But you got a pension after 20 years, while others have to work ~40 years. You're being subsidized by the taxpayers.

#24 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-01-28 01:34 AM | Reply

So this puts us on par with the rest of the civilized world.

Most western countries aren't going to allow you to emigrate unless you can show you are going to be an asset to that country. In reality, most countries won't even let you enter unless you can demonstrate you have sufficient resources to take care of yourself and return to your country of origin.

#25 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-01-28 02:58 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

"What about victims of natural disasters. Who have lost everything. Is the government responsible for taking care of the people who cannot take care of themselves?"

No.

The government does not have resources other than those it has taken from taxpayers. Therefore, it would be more honest to phrase the questions as "Is the taxpayer responsible for taking care of the people who cannot take care of themselves? And the taxpayers can easily answer that question themselves without any form of government involvement.

"But you got a pension after 20 years, while others have to work ~40 years. You're being subsidized by the taxpayers."

It's actually not much different than your average pension for a civil servant in California. And many 20 year retirees in CA are doing far better in raw dollars than someone retiring from the military after 20 years.

#26 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-01-28 06:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

This is the land of opportunity, not hand out.

#5 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Used to be until you greedy schitheaps forced your way into over represented power with tricks, cheats and lies.

But don't worry, you guys are trashing the American dream as quickly as you're trashing the country.

#27 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-28 08:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But it all makes sense. That's why Democrats/Liberals/communists hate private property so much. You cant force someone to give it to them without it being a crime.

#15 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Without logical fallacies you'd have nothing to post.

#28 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-28 08:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

drudge.com

#29 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2020-01-28 08:50 AM | Reply

Nothing about what I've said is false, JPW.

When Democrats started trying to stack the courts, they act surprised when Republicans started doing the same thing. You guys started this.

Now Trump is doing what we elected him to do, stop you liberals at the court level.

I'm satisfied.

#30 | Posted by boaz at 2020-01-28 08:51 AM | Reply

There's so much wrong with your posts...

First and foremost is the childish "you did it too" excuse for your abjectly anti-American views. Personal responsibility my ass...

#31 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-28 08:52 AM | Reply

If you don't like the rule, go to Canada. Oh wait, they have a much stricter merit-based system. If you don't have a lot of cash or in-demand job skills, you're out of luck. Oh well, maybe there's some 3rd world country that will take you in. You won't find one in the West.

#32 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-01-28 09:04 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Used to be until you greedy schitheaps forced your way into over represented power with tricks, cheats and lies."

How is it not?

If you're ambitious, there's probably no better place to be than the US. If you're not ambitious-if you are looking for someone to take care of you...you might be out of luck. Those countries with high lavish entitlements tend to restrict them to citizens.

Qatar has the highest median household income on the planet...for citizens. But unless you've married a Qatari or done something spectacular for the Emir, you'll never be a citizen.

#33 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-01-28 09:18 AM | Reply

You won't find one in the West.

#32 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Because sniveling takers like yourself don't want competition.

#34 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-28 09:22 AM | Reply

This decision is Auschwitz all over again.

Josh Hammer
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#35 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-01-28 11:36 AM | Reply

How is it not?
If you're ambitious, there's probably no better place to be than the US.

Except now you need ambition, highly desired skills and money.

In other words, you're already established.

Used to be one could also lean on family until they were established but that's being dismantled too under the guise of "chain migration".

The US used to be where you went when you had nothing and wanted something. That's being changed by the very people who blather on about that the loudest.

#36 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-28 12:05 PM | Reply

Most western countries aren't going to allow you to emigrate unless you can show you are going to be an asset to that country. In reality, most countries won't even let you enter unless you can demonstrate you have sufficient resources to take care of yourself and return to your country of origin.

#25 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

You do realize that no other "western" country was built by immigration, right? Without immigration, the only people who have that status here are the natives who were here when the white folks stole it from them at gunpoint. We are all immigrants (or descendants of slaves brought here by immigrants). You are aware, are you not, that when the Irish and the Italians came here many/most were dirt poor, right? The only reason they didn't get "government assistance" was because there wasn't any such thing at the time! So, instead, they formed "gangs" to provide for them (a form of authoritarian socialism). It was the second and third generations who established themselves as major contributors, not the original immigrants.

Between around 1880 and 1924, more than four million Italians immigrated to the United States, half of them between 1900 and 1910 alone" - the majority fleeing grinding rural poverty in Southern Italy and Sicily. Today, Americans of Italian ancestry are the nation's fifth-largest ethnic group.www.pbs.org

Although most certainly tired and poor, the Irish did not arrive in America yearning to breathe free; they merely hungered to eat. Largely destitute, many exiles could progress no farther than within walking distance of the city docks where they disembarked. While some had spent all of their meager savings to pay for passage across the Atlantic, others had their voyages funded by British landlords who found it a cheaper solution to dispatch their tenants to another continent, rather than pay for their charity at home.

And in the opinion of many Americans, those British landlords were not sending their best people. These people were not like the industrious, Protestant Scotch-Irish immigrants who came to America in large numbers during the colonial era, fought in the Continental Army and tamed the frontier. These people were not only poor, unskilled refugees huddled in rickety tenements. Even worse, they were Catholic. https://www.history.com/news/when-america-despised-the-irish-the-19th-centurys-refugee-crisis


This is also foolish short-term thinking (something "conservatives" excel at). We have an aging population and we need new young workers at a time when the birthrate is in decline. Also, given the reality of climate change, many countries will be inundated by refugees from places that are no longer viable (drought, flood, etc.). Just closing the door isn't going to work, it will just create more wars.

You need to get over yourself.

#37 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-01-28 12:07 PM | Reply

The only reason they didn't get "government assistance" was because there wasn't any such thing at the time!

Maybe we need to go back to that.

#38 | Posted by boaz at 2020-01-28 12:23 PM | Reply

Yeah, let the new immigrants do it the old-fashioned way - organized crime.

#39 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-01-28 12:25 PM | Reply

Maybe we need to go back to that.

#38 | POSTED BY BOAZ

It's amazing how people can't conceive that the reason we have social safety nets and public assistance is because we've tried it the other way.

And it sucked.

Bad.

The same goes for a large majority of regulations, which aren't poofed into existence for no reason but are enacted because somebody did something stupid and greedy and people got hurt.

#40 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-28 12:47 PM | Reply

"And the taxpayers can easily answer that question themselves without any form of government involvement. "

Interesting perspective tho it just sounds like word salad to me.

Without the government there would be no taxpayers. And taxpayers are the government. Of the people by the people and for the people. And what do taxpayers do? They create and pay a government to do the things that we as individuals can't.

Which is to help those who cannot help themselves. For the General Welfare if the Nation. Like armies for protection science agencies for discovering and building roads and infrastructure. And a post office. (Which is kinda quaint now) Should we now build our own roads to work each day?

You people are insane.

You apparently have no idea why the government even exists.

#41 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-01-28 12:48 PM | Reply

You apparently have no idea why the government even exists.
#41 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Ironically enough they seem to think it exists to enforce THEIR worldview.

#42 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-28 01:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

In order to do those things it requires money. In essence "Other People's Money". Explain how to do any of this without taxes.

#43 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-01-28 01:56 PM | Reply

"Because sniveling takers like yourself don't want competition."

I didn't realize that Nulli was capable of influencing the immigration policies of our western peer nations.

Must be an important dude.

#44 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-01-28 02:17 PM | Reply

"Except now you need ambition, highly desired skills and money. In other words, you're already established."

Gd no...not at all. You need the ambition needed to put forth the effort necessary to gain the skills, after which the money will naturally follow.

My parents didn't pay for a dime of my college...all scholarships and loans. For both grad and undergrad. And success-wise, I'm not really that big of a deal. Maybe a little on the right side of the bell curve, but no one is going to remember my name when I die. But my decision calculus has led me to a career with a solid six figure salary and decent benefits.

#45 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-01-28 02:22 PM | Reply

"This is also foolish short-term thinking (something "conservatives" excel at). We have an aging population and we need new young workers at a time when the birthrate is in decline. Also, given the reality of climate change, many countries will be inundated by refugees from places that are no longer viable (drought, flood, etc.). Just closing the door isn't going to work, it will just create more wars."

These things are likely true...but this is not really an argument against immigration. We need immigrants, in some cases desperately. But we need the ones who are going to add value to society, rather than detract from it. We need ones with the skill and ambition to keep building this country. We'll let you send a check to those won't or can't, preferably in their country of origin. No one will stop you. There is mail service in Guatemala.

#46 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-01-28 02:25 PM | Reply

Without the government there would be no taxpayers. And taxpayers are the government.

Not sure what you're saying. Only around 47% of the population contributes to non-entitlement funding.

I'm game on limiting them to determining how that money should be spent, but I'll hazard a guess you are not.

#47 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-01-28 02:27 PM | Reply

And it's bad enough to establish a system by which US citizens are made wards of the taxpayers...it's far, far worse to bring in non-citizens for the purpose of creating more people dependent on the government.

#48 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-01-28 02:29 PM | Reply

I didn't realize that Nulli was capable of influencing the immigration policies of our western peer nations.
Must be an important dude.

#44 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

No, not him by himself.

But group him with the millions of others who'd rather blame their lot on immigrants and you have a movement with considerable power to get their views enacted.

Gd no...not at all. You need the ambition needed to put forth the effort necessary to gain the skills, after which the money will naturally follow.

If you're already here...

We're talking about people coming here to make something of themselves.

My parents didn't pay for a dime of my college...all scholarships and loans. For both grad and undergrad. And success-wise, I'm not really that big of a deal. Maybe a little on the right side of the bell curve, but no one is going to remember my name when I die. But my decision calculus has led me to a career with a solid six figure salary and decent benefits.

Same for me.

But again, we were already here.

#49 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-28 02:40 PM | Reply

The same goes for a large majority of regulations, which aren't poofed into existence for no reason but are enacted because somebody did something stupid and greedy and people got hurt.

You know what they say about the road to hell....

#50 | Posted by boaz at 2020-01-28 03:04 PM | Reply

"But group him with the millions of others who'd rather blame their lot on immigrants and you have a movement with considerable power to get their views enacted."

Again, it's not about immigrants...it's about immigrants who are unable to add to the society in which they would intend to move.

"If you're already here...We're talking about people coming here to make something of themselves."

No. We're talking specifically about people who would come here and live off subsistence provided by taxpayers. There are already programs in place that provide scholarships and assistance for well-qualified individuals who have already shown the propensity for success. A great example is allowing foreign medical students into US schools and residency programs. Many of them stay in the US to practice. A lot of the doctors in North Dakota were not from the US. It would seem that doctors in the US would prefer not to practice medicine on the Tundra, regardless of how much more it paid. And I'm glad for it.

But that's very different than inviting everyone in, writing them checks, and hoping that somewhere along the way they develop an ambition to succeed.

#51 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-01-28 03:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You know what they say about the road to hell....

#50 | POSTED BY BOAZ

It's paved with the souls of people who put profit over other people's lives and health?

#52 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-28 03:11 PM | Reply

It's paved with the souls of people who put profit over other people's lives and health?

No, it's paved with good intentions.

#53 | Posted by boaz at 2020-01-28 03:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"It's paved with the souls of people who put profit over other people's lives and health?"

Uh, dude...it's because of profit that people would come here. It's profit that makes all your socialist goals a possibility, no matter how remote.

And you seem to be intentionally omitting the many roads paved in the interest of socialism, which created more death and misery than anything related to profit.

#54 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-01-28 03:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No, it's paved with good intentions.

LOL I know.

#55 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-28 03:45 PM | Reply

Uh, dude...it's because of profit that people would come here. It's profit that makes all your socialist goals a possibility, no matter how remote.

MY socialist goals? We've both been posting here for years and you still think I'm a "soshulist"?

And you seem to be intentionally omitting the many roads paved in the interest of socialism, which created more death and misery than anything related to profit.

I said nothing about soshulizm.

And there's lots and lots of space between "capitalism" and "soshulizm".

#56 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-28 03:47 PM | Reply

Hello, white folks, understand that most of your ancestors who immigrated to this country would be turned back by Trump and the Republicans today. The Irish and Italians who came here in the 19th Century were dirt poor. They succeeded because they were allowed to work. Today, we're saying you can't live off the government, but oh, by the way, you can't work either (no green cards or work permits).

#57 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-01-29 12:13 AM | Reply

"MY socialist goals? We've both been posting here for years and you still think I'm a "soshulist"?"

You sound like it when you make silly comments about putting profit over lives being a function of capitalism.

But I'll happily cut the connective tissue between you and socialism if I've insulted you. Happily.

"And there's lots and lots of space between "capitalism" and "soshulizm"."

You'll have to explain it to me...I haven't seen it. Certainly not in the current crop of Democratic Socialists who've reared their ugly heads here in the US.

#58 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-01-29 01:33 AM | Reply

"The Irish and Italians who came here in the 19th Century were dirt poor."

And they succeeded without a handout. So why should it be any different today?

#59 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-01-29 01:34 AM | Reply

"...why should it be any different today?"

It's not: both groups were derided as illegals, radicals and terrorists.
nationalpost.com

And, as history and math teach us, the vast majority become productive members of society, in ways direct and indirect.

#60 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-01-29 01:43 AM | Reply

You sound like it when you make silly comments about putting profit over lives being a function of capitalism.

You seem to be operating under the unfortunate assumption that the theoretical capitalism you learned in economics class is what operates in the real world.

No, profits over lives isn't an implicit function of theoretical capitalism.

But it is a frequent occurrence in our real world capitalism.

But I'll happily cut the connective tissue between you and socialism if I've insulted you. Happily.

You should if for no other reason than it's an incorrect assumption.

You'll have to explain it to me...I haven't seen it. Certainly not in the current crop of Democratic Socialists who've reared their ugly heads here in the US.

#58 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

You seem to have a need to bin things.

The "current crop of Democratic socialists" is irrelevant.

Within the context of the tangent conversation Boaz and I were having, the room exists in the space where government regulation has a role in restraining industries from running roughshod over the citizenry. For instance, there is absolutely a valid place for an agency such as the EPA and regulations to prevent a corporation from maximizing profit at the expense of our environment and people's health.

At least I assume that that's a agreed upon position. I expect disagreement on the details but not the overall premise.

#61 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-29 08:35 AM | Reply

Dems just making sure the country spends more money it doesn't have.

"And, as history and math teach us, the vast majority become productive members of society, in ways direct and indirect."

I can't stand this argument because both parties completely ignore any negatives because of the positives. It's such a hypocritical argument. In your argument, you are right. Yet, there are a number of them that carry out violent crime. So, yeah, let's make sure we don't prevent the positives but not at the sake of ignoring the negatives. You can't ignore that illegals rape, kill, etc. just because many of them don't. You have to figure out how to better process them so that any that are at risk of causing crime are not able to do so easily (there will always be some). But Dems don't do that. They completely ignore the problem because they are too busy trying to get votes so they only focus on the positives. And where the hypocritical part comes in is by saying the vast majority of gun owners are productive members of society, yet Dems concentrate only on the criminals when trying to take away the 2nd Amendment. Why would any group say you should focus more on the positives in one breath and then do a 180 and say you should focus on the negatives?
Why not focus on both and make them better? The American answer to that is obvious...because it doesn't get us votes. But common sense answer to that is...that's exactly what everyone should be doing.

#62 | Posted by humtake at 2020-01-29 01:03 PM | Reply

"But it is a frequent occurrence in our real world capitalism."

And a far more frequent occurrence in our real-world socialism.

"Within the context of the tangent conversation Boaz and I were having, the room exists in the space where government regulation has a role in restraining industries from running roughshod over the citizenry. For instance, there is absolutely a valid place for an agency such as the EPA and regulations to prevent a corporation from maximizing profit at the expense of our environment and people's health."

Those mechanisms already exist implicitly. Think of Boeing and the 737 MAX 8. Boeing is in the crapper right now because of the Max 8. Some of that has to do with national governments grounding the type, but even if they hadn't, how would passengers react to the thought of flying on an unsafe aircraft?

My daughter flew on a Southwest flight last year. As an aviator, I was a little more tuned in to the MAX 8 conversation than most, and I wasn't going to let her fly if the type was kept as a MAX 8. It turned out the aircraft were grounded before her trip came up.

#63 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-01-29 01:43 PM | Reply

-But it is a frequent occurrence in our real world capitalism.

If by "frequent" it happens too much, fair enough.

But I think we do a better job of that in today's society than we used to.

#64 | Posted by eberly at 2020-01-29 01:51 PM | Reply

"If by "frequent" it happens too much, fair enough."

My point is that it's not a function of capitalism. It's going to occur in any society containing humans who care more about themselves than others.

#65 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-01-30 01:44 AM | Reply

"The Irish and Italians who came here in the 19th Century were dirt poor."
Pretty much through WWII.

"And they succeeded without a handout."
They did?
Link?
Read The Jungle ever?

"So why should it be any different today?"

Today?
The only Irish I know who came here overstayed a tourist visa and worked under the table for a few years.
He was able to do that because of air travel and the rise of tourism.
So, it's different today because it's the 21st century, and no longer the 19th century.
Also, attitudes towards the Irish are more charitable than they were back in Rock Ridge.

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-30 01:59 AM | Reply

"So, it's different today because it's the 21st century, and no longer the 19th century."

I see.

Because it's a different century, handouts are a now necessity.

#67 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-01-30 04:13 PM | Reply

Let me rephrase that...

it is a necessity that the taxpayers be obligated to provide a handout to those immigrants who want a handout.

#68 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-01-30 04:14 PM | Reply

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